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2014-02-10 12:22:05 PM  
6 votes:

Joe Six-Keg: I, too, have to wonder how this will be spun. There are folks who have an unreasoning hatred of everything Iran. People, place, culture... everything. If it's Iranian, it's bad. Yes, their religious institution has been claiming "Death to America!" for decades. Yes, they use it like Hawaiians use "Aloha!". The times are changing, and so are the people on both sides. Hopefully, this is something that will continue.



I don't even think its that the poeple are changing. I think it's that the voices who have been out in front are changing. The old leaders of Iran probably no more speak for all of the people than GW Bush or Dick Cheney spoke for me.
2014-02-10 12:19:49 PM  
5 votes:
I, too, have to wonder how this will be spun. There are folks who have an unreasoning hatred of everything Iran. People, place, culture... everything. If it's Iranian, it's bad. Yes, their religious institution has been claiming "Death to America!" for decades. Yes, they use it like Hawaiians use "Aloha!". The times are changing, and so are the people on both sides. Hopefully, this is something that will continue.
2014-02-10 12:16:08 PM  
5 votes:

Summoner101: Didn't we already know the current Iranian president is less of an asshole than the former Iranian president?


That depends. Are we republicans?  Because I'm pretty sure if we're republicans, Iran has to be exactly the same as Nazi Germany.
2014-02-10 12:13:26 PM  
4 votes:
Iran's Jewish community is the largest group in the Middle East other than in Israel, numbering about 25,000.

tmyk
2014-02-10 11:55:14 AM  
4 votes:
Obvious propaganda stunt. Next time he'll be the one authorizing the nuke drop on that hospital.
2014-02-10 12:22:46 PM  
3 votes:

ikanreed: Summoner101: Didn't we already know the current Iranian president is less of an asshole than the former Iranian president?

That depends. Are we republicans?  Because I'm pretty sure if we're republicans, Iran has to be exactly the same as Nazi Germany.


Is it irony if you're ridiculing one group for making a sweeping generalization, by making a sweeping generalization about them?
2014-02-10 12:19:59 PM  
3 votes:

Serious Black: Obvious propaganda stunt. Next time he'll be the one authorizing the nuke drop on that hospital.



Its a nice gesture. Stop trying to see the negative.
2014-02-10 12:18:10 PM  
3 votes:
Hmmm... I don't even...  well..   hmm.  Good job.

I have a feeling this is also a signal to the western world that Iran's ready to get out of timeout permanently.
2014-02-10 12:55:56 PM  
2 votes:
Considering that more Israelis have been killed by Sunni Muslims than by Iranians and more Iranians have been killed by Sunni Muslims than by Israelis, it's not a big surprise that they are considering getting together.
2014-02-10 12:36:44 PM  
2 votes:

Muta: Iranian people probably roll their eyes when they hear about 'the American devil' the same way we'd roll our eyes when we hear about the 'Red Menace'.


You mean the Red Menace that overthrew our democratically-elected government in the 1950s and installed a despot?
2014-02-10 12:16:58 PM  
2 votes:
He's a politician, so he's still giving away someone else' money to someone else.
2014-02-10 12:13:05 PM  
2 votes:
But, but, but, but, but

cdn.timesofisrael.com
2014-02-11 06:48:45 PM  
1 votes:

Uncle Tractor: Have they added any new "facts" that weren't there the previous time that article was used as "proof" that this never happened? Because if they haven't, then I'm not going to waste more time on it. There were facts in it, but none that disproved the existence of the eugenics program. It was just a poorly written hasbarah piece.


You mean besides the fact that there was no eugenics program ?

Uncle Tractor: How about you quote the proof part of the article?


You are too fragile to click the link ? you want me to read it for you ? any other extremely sophisticated tactic to avoid it ?

Uncle Tractor: Also, don't you find it just a little bit suspicious that CAMERA is the  only website / blog that has managed to "debunk" the israeli eugenics program? (do you know of others?)


You mean besides the paper who originally published the story and later published a correction for writing baseless nonsense as it is very clearly mentioned with cited proof in the link i provided ? there is no Israeli eugenics program, sorry to disappoint you.

Uncle Tractor: The women's testimony could help explain the almost 50-percent decline over the past 10 years in the birth rate of Israel's Ethiopian community. According to the program, while the women were still in transit camps in Ethiopia they were sometimes intimidated or threatened into taking the injection. "They told us they are inoculations," said one of the women interviewed. "They told us people who frequently give birth suffer. We took it every three months. We said we didn't want to."


You mean they actually gave them non-permanent contraceptives while they were in transit to lower the risk of death ? 50 percent decline that was later meaningless since it wasn't permanent ? this is your "eugenics program" ? hahahaha...

Uncle Tractor: You can find the links in my posts. Enjoy.


I did and responded to them.

So now how about not evading and going on on irrelevant bullshiat which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand ? it's almost like you are trying very very hard to avoid something. I repeat:

Uncle Tractor:Why does this surprise anyone? It's about Israel, not jews.

The proof i provided over and over again in this thread suggests otherwise and you know it. Lie to yourself as much as you like, i don't care.
It still won't change the fact that rabid anti-semitism (Jews, not Israel) is alive and well in Iran.
It farking amazes me that you dismissed this as "All countries have a gutter", as if you have been huffing paint for the last couple of decades while living under a rock, not realizing some of the basics facts about Iran's culture and society (or other arab/islamic nations for that matter).

Anti-semitism in Iran is a fact. Deal with it. Hatred of Jews. The old canard of 'no..no.. we hate Israel, not the Jews' is the usual excuse to fool useful idiots like yourself but many times as my links and posts suggest, they let the mask drop. Go over the links i gave you: from literature, religious scholars, academia, TV shows, movies, everywhere. If this is news to you, your stupidity and ignorance is truly magnificent.
2014-02-11 03:37:25 PM  
1 votes:

Uncle Tractor: Yes, because 1974, 1999, and 2004 are all the same period


No, the books they referenced were as i explained quite clearly. I'll add pictures next time.

Uncle Tractor: I see you conveniently omitted the bit about "primitive, dirty, agitated, aggressive, and hostile to Jews" in your little quote.


It wasn't the section i was referring to about the conflict. I would really like to see the original text you are referring to, i have a feeling, like everything you posted so far, it's total bullshiat.

I see you conveniently ignored all the proof i provided pointing out that your original comment, the one we were discussing before you went on your various irrelevant tangents, is a farking joke.
2014-02-11 03:29:51 PM  
1 votes:

Uncle Tractor: It's "irrelevant" because it clashes with your narrative.


No, it's irrelevant because it has nothing to do with your hilariously stupid original comment. This is the 3rd time i'm saying this, are you farking retarded ?

Uncle Tractor: It's not jews; it's Israel, and you know it.


The proof i provided over and over again in this thread suggests otherwise and you know it. Lie to yourself as much as you like, i don't care.
It still won't change the fact that rabid anti-semitism (Jews, not Israel) is alive and well in Iran.

It farking amazes me that you dismissed this as "All countries have a gutter", as if you have been huffing paint for the last couple of decades while living under a rock, not realizing some of the basics facts about Iran's culture and society (or other arab/islamic nations for that matter).

Uncle Tractor: *CAMERA*? You're using CAMERA as evidence of anything? Really?


A link with cited proof, from the original publication, facts which you can double check, all in there. Point a single fact they present which is false, a single one. Your bullshiat was refuted some time ago. Squint your eyes and cover your ears as much as you want, it won't change the fact that your bullshiat accusations about Israel are nonsense.

Uncle Tractor: BTW: Your CAMERA article was ripped apart the previous time you Israel-apologists posted it on fark. It disproves nothing, yet you keep on posting it.


by all means, point to a single fact they present which is incorrect.
Do you have any more irrelevant bullshiat to bring up which has absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing in a pathetic attempt to evade the fact that you drank the iranian kool aid and made one of the most stupid comments i have ever seen on Fark ?
2014-02-11 10:04:35 AM  
1 votes:

murray208: You said it was a raging bestseller. That means it has some _current_, _popular_ support (and not popular as in popular amongst antisemetic literature, popular in the general population). I'm sure you could find evidence of that if it were true.


So you're saying the info in this link is anecdotal ? no current popular support ? i'm just trying to understand the level of retardation so i can accommodate accordingly.
2014-02-11 09:39:24 AM  
1 votes:

murray208: NOT A BESTSELLER. I know you can only move the goalposts at this point, but please try harder.


And here's some more evidence about it being a best seller and extremely popular in the arab/islamic world. Or maybe the Lebanese were playing a joke placing it on the best sellers list ?
2014-02-11 09:35:47 AM  
1 votes:

Uncle Tractor: Huh ... fark threw away the link.


For a good reason apparently, because describing arabs as ' negatively. Arabs are presented as intransigent and uncompromising'When presenting the palestinan-Israeli conflict was not exactly far fetched ? do you remember the slaughter of Israelis, was not exactly gentle if i recall from that period, especially the 90's.

Do you compare that to this ? and this ? are you farking joking ?
And how the hell does this in any shape or form has anything to do with your stupidly wrong original statement ?
2014-02-11 09:25:38 AM  
1 votes:

murray208: NOT A BESTSELLER. I know you can only move the goalposts at this point, but please try harder.


Oh i'm sorry. One of the most popular anti-semitic literature in the arab/islamic world but i don't have the sales figures so it's anecdotal, right ?

Right ?
2014-02-11 08:41:34 AM  
1 votes:

murray208: Yep, that's obviously a bestseller and not at all anecdotal. Say, I heard you can buy Mein Kampf on Amazon. Sound the alarm!


Yes, arab anti-semitic literature in arab/islamic countries is anecdotal.
I don't think i can stress out how farking hilariously stupid that remark is. Seriously, it's bordering on comedic genius.

Here's your anecdotal evidence.
2014-02-11 08:37:37 AM  
1 votes:

Uncle Tractor: 1999:
Israeli school textbooks as well as children's storybooks, according to recent academic studies and surveys, portray Palestinians and Arabs as "murderers," "rioters," "suspicious," and generally backward and unproductive. Direct delegitimization and negative stereotyping of Palestinians and Arabs are the rule rather than the exception in Israeli schoolbooks.


Nope, referencing old stuff from the same period of your original article. Read the farking link yourself.

Uncle Tractor: Referring to Israeli texts of the '80s and '90s, Bar-Tal reports: "Geography books for the elementary and junior high schools stereotype Arabs negatively, as primitive, dirty, agitated, aggressive, and hostile to Jews ... history books in the elementary schools hardly mention Arabs ... history textbooks of the high schools, the majority of which cover the Arab-Jewish conflict, stereotype the Arabs negatively. Arabs are presented as intransigent and uncompromising."


No link ?

Uncle Tractor: So I've got three examples; from 1974, 1999, and 2004. I guess this means that anti-arab bigotry in israeli literature is not the works of a small group of extremists, not a passing trend, but a permanent fixture of the israeli eduction system.


No you didn't and if you think this has any comparison to the anti-semitic, rabid incitement of the arab/palestinians you are beyond clueless. I suggest some reading on the subject.
2014-02-11 08:29:21 AM  
1 votes:

Uncle Tractor: It's a "rabid post-zionist joke" because ...you disagree with it? Sounds like the "self-loathing jew" script to me.


Explain to me how the hell does it diminish the stupidity of your statements in any way or form ? i'm saying it's completely irrelevant.

Uncle Tractor: Before the early aliyahs, the driving force behind anti-jewish bigotry was Christianity -- not Islam. The history of the sephardim really highlights this.


You of course didn't understand what i was saying. I'll repeat: It's not Israel, it's jews. Plain and simple, as it has always been. Go over all the examples i provided in this thread, explicit anti-semitism, same as traditional anti-semitism down to the conspiracies bullshiat.

Uncle Tractor: Yes, because every bad thing that ever was done to a jew was motivated by hatred of jews.

*eye roll*


Never said that , simply pointed out that you are flat out wrong, period.

Uncle Tractor: Being a minority often sucks ...even for the black jews of Israel.


Again bringing in irrelevant shiat (that was refuted quite some time ago) that you have no clue about. You were wrong, hilariously so. Deal with it.
2014-02-11 06:34:38 AM  
1 votes:

TappingTheVein: Oh yes. The "but..but..israel" approach.


...And when someone says something critical about Israel, we see the "but ...but ...Sudan" approach. (or Saudi Arabia, or Iran or ...)

Definitely will diminish the incredible stupidity of your statement. Should i mentioned that you pulled that link from an islamic propaganda site ? quoting a rabid post-zionist haaretz piece which is a farking joke ?

It's a "rabid post-zionist joke" because ...you disagree with it? Sounds like the "self-loathing jew" script to me.

Uncle Tractor: Israel and zionism is the driving force behind today's hostility towards jews, so yes, it is.

Oh yes. Just like it did prior to the existence of Israel.


Before the early aliyahs, the driving force behind anti-jewish bigotry was Christianity -- not Islam. The history of the sephardim really highlights this.

Repeating your delusional bullshiat won't somehow make it reality. Do some reading about anti-semitism in Iran (and the arab world for that matter) before Israel existed before you humiliate yourself further (if that's even possible..).

Yes, because every bad thing that ever was done to a jew was motivated by hatred of jews.

*eye roll*

Being a minority often sucks ...even for the black jews of Israel.
2014-02-11 04:55:33 AM  
1 votes:

TappingTheVein: The most notorious anti-semitic literature being a raging best seller in Iran is purely coincidental ? Iranian academia teaching anti-semitic jewish conspiracies is a joke by the lecturer ?


How's Oral Roberts University doing these days? "The Turner Diaries" still selling well in the US, are they?
2014-02-11 03:13:02 AM  
1 votes:

The Repeated Meme: It seems that, despite all the extremely generous offers of financial compensation to come to live in Israel, the Jews in Iran - perhaps one of the oldest Jewish communities in the world - have been quite happy to stay in Iran


Oh yes. The fact that their numbers dropped from around 150,000 to around 20,000 - 25,000 means absolutely nothing.
2014-02-11 03:09:30 AM  
1 votes:

murray208: Not even wrong. What are you talking about? What list? When? Or do you mean best seller in the sense that it 'was sold'?


I thought that it was obvious. Are you not familiar with the popularity of the, um, book in the arab/islamic world ? i suggest you do some reading about it.
2014-02-10 06:59:53 PM  
1 votes:

Uncle Tractor: All countries have a gutter.


I repeat:

Uncle Tractor: Why does this surprise anyone? It's about Israel, not jews.


He made that statement about the topic at hand with a straight face. He wasn't kidding. About Iran, one of the biggest anti-semitic places in the world.

thepoliticalcarnival.net

Uncle Tractor: Once we were alarmed when we discovered anti-Israeli propaganda, accompanied by racist caricatures, which was included in textbooks used by refugee children in Gaza. And now it is clear, although only few parents know about it, that we, the Israelis, are employing much worse material of racist hatred which is accompanied by caricatures no less racist.

I guess it's not racist when israelis do it.


Oh yes. The "but..but..israel" approach. Definitely will diminish the incredible stupidity of your statement. Should i mentioned that you pulled that link from an islamic propaganda site ? quoting a rabid post-zionist haaretz piece which is a farking joke ? nah, why bother. I don't want to diminish the efforts you made digging for that, um, source.

Great site by the way, i'm digging the beauty of Jihad piece.
You do realize you buried yourself even deeper with that farking joke of a site right ? or are you too farking stupid to realize that one as well ?

Uncle Tractor: Israel and zionism is the driving force behind today's hostility towards jews, so yes, it is.


Oh yes. Just like it did prior to the existence of Israel.
Repeating your delusional bullshiat won't somehow make it reality. Do some reading about anti-semitism in Iran (and the arab world for that matter) before Israel existed before you humiliate yourself further (if that's even possible..).
2014-02-10 06:17:20 PM  
1 votes:
I can imagine a day when Iran has a moderate, secular president who does away with all the old hate and intolerance.

And I can imagine our government killing him and installing a dictator in his place.
2014-02-10 04:18:45 PM  
1 votes:

Uncle Tractor: You, apparently.


Don't get me wrong, i'm not judging you. i'm just curious how deep is the level of your delusional stupidity regarding this matter.
The most notorious anti-semitic literature being a raging best seller in Iran is purely coincidental ? Iranian academia teaching anti-semitic jewish conspiracies is a joke by the lecturer ?

But it's about Israel right ?.. right ?
2014-02-10 03:08:53 PM  
1 votes:
Don't be nice to them. It just pisses them off.

Ask Jesus.
2014-02-10 01:35:37 PM  
1 votes:

Serious Black: Obvious propaganda stunt. Next time he'll be the one authorizing the nuke drop on that hospital.


img.fark.net

Is this Poe's Law again?

Came here looking for variants on "It's a trap" from the neo-con dimwits.  Mostly disappointed.  Come one, guys!  Let's hear how this is a sign of the End Times, and Israel, right or wrong!
m00
2014-02-10 01:23:10 PM  
1 votes:

mayIFark: /Just trying to figure out why right wing nuts will try to spin this.


I'll take a stab at this :) I'm kinda a wing nut.

I think Iran is making peaceful gestures towards the Jewish Community, and ultimately Israel. Iran is so belligerent that it's put the Saudis and Israelis on the same side. That has to be a wake up call.
2014-02-10 01:16:12 PM  
1 votes:
"The Israeli Military responded with a coordinated precision bomb strike against key Iranian targets.  Said Prime Minister Netanyahu: "This aggression could not be allowed to stand.""
2014-02-10 01:10:40 PM  
1 votes:

super_grass: Iran has been 6 months from a nuclear warhead for the past 30 years or so. Many people stopped taking any warnings about Iran's threat seriously sometime during that time.


Of course Israel is going to cry wolf about Iran - that's in their interest.  But Israel's histrionics don't mean that Iran will never actually do just that.  In Aesop's fable, the wolf eventually does arrive.
2014-02-10 01:03:16 PM  
1 votes:

Captain Dan: I'm unconvinced.  Iran's interests are presently best served by deception.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Iran is intent on acquiring nuclear weapon capability, and wanted to avoid external sanctions/inspections.  Could they do that more easily with an irritating asshole like Ahmadinejad as their public face, or a nice, moderate guy like Rouhani who gives money to Jewish charities?

If you're trying to figure out what a nation is really planning, it's a better idea to study their interests than to listen to what they say.  I'd apply the same scrutiny to any country.


Iran has been 6 months from a nuclear warhead for the past 30 years or so. Many people stopped taking any warnings about Iran's threat seriously sometime during that time.
2014-02-10 12:58:12 PM  
1 votes:

Begoggle: Who will Christians hate now?


Everyone still, this changes nothing
2014-02-10 12:58:10 PM  
1 votes:
I swear to god fark politics tab everyday gets closer and closer to the glib knee jerk reactions to comment section of normal news sites.

I remember when people used to have some pretty insightful stuff and would respond with more thinking then just their first reaction to it through their own political world view.
2014-02-10 12:57:44 PM  
1 votes:
I'm sure the Palestinians watching townhouses being built where their homes used to be from across the valley are thrilled.
2014-02-10 12:36:59 PM  
1 votes:
You know, I've been reading a lot of Fark and Reddit lately and thinking "boy, people out there are real dicks to each other". I'm glad to see someone can, whether for publicity or not, stop hating for a few minutes and do something nice.
2014-02-10 12:36:49 PM  
1 votes:
The Huffington Post eats news and shiats out summaries written by a dyslectic middle schooler, next time submit the NYT article:  http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/07/world/middleeast/iran-delivers-surp r ise-money-to-jewish-hospital.html?ref=middleeast&_r=0

Remember: it doesn't paywall referred URLs.
2014-02-10 12:36:33 PM  
1 votes:
Jews in Iran???

i449.photobucket.com
2014-02-10 12:31:08 PM  
1 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: I don't even think its that the poeple are changing. I think it's that the voices who have been out in front are changing. The old leaders of Iran probably no more speak for all of the people than GW Bush or Dick Cheney spoke for me.


This is probably true.  The people who hated America, the people who led the revolution, the people in power are getting old.  Iranian people probably roll their eyes when they hear about 'the American devil' the same way we'd roll our eyes when we hear about the 'Red Menace'.
2014-02-10 12:30:39 PM  
1 votes:
upload.wikimedia.org

What is this I don't even
2014-02-10 12:28:55 PM  
1 votes:
Um....Rosh Hashahah isn't until September....but yea.ok thanks. I think...

WTF?

You have a happy Halloween!!!!!
2014-02-10 12:28:08 PM  
1 votes:
Painting all Iranians as anti-semites and warmongers because of Ahmedinejad is like saying all Americans are stupid warmongers because of W.  Countries are full of people, not cartoon villains.
2014-02-10 12:26:57 PM  
1 votes:

porcupine tree: Is it irony if you're ridiculing one group for making a sweeping generalization, by making a sweeping generalization about them?


Nope, the totally reasonable idea is that republicans are morons, and their policy positions select for the set of people equal to morons.
2014-02-10 12:24:34 PM  
1 votes:

Joe Six-Keg: I, too, have to wonder how this will be spun. There are folks who have an unreasoning hatred of everything Iran. People, place, culture... everything. If it's Iranian, it's bad. Yes, their religious institution has been claiming "Death to America!" for decades. Yes, they use it like Hawaiians use "Aloha!". The times are changing, and so are the people on both sides. Hopefully, this is something that will continue.


TONIGHTONFOXNEWS: IS IRAN SETTING UP FOR A MAJOR TROLL ON ISRAEL? (PLEASESAYYESWENEEDMOREFEAR)
2014-02-10 12:22:14 PM  
1 votes:

Joe Six-Keg: Yes, their religious institution has been claiming "Death to America!" for decades. Yes, they use it like Hawaiians use "Aloha!".


Not quite. I mean, yes, that's what you SEE, but that's like going to a tea party rally and thinking all Americans, who consider themselves conservative, are like them.
2014-02-10 12:21:17 PM  
1 votes:

whosits_112: kona: Iran's Jewish community is the largest group in the Middle East other than in Israel, numbering about 25,000.

tmyk

Really, I never would have guessed, other than that it was mentioned in the article...


Yeah... That's where kona was quoting it from... And the "tmyk" referred to himself.

Sarcasm is welcome on Fark. Stupidity is not.
2014-02-10 12:15:39 PM  
1 votes:

kona: Iran's Jewish community is the largest group in the Middle East other than in Israel, numbering about 25,000.

tmyk


Really, I never would have guessed, other than that it was mentioned in the article...
2014-02-10 12:12:39 PM  
1 votes:
Show off!

Scared of our pressure. See, that's why we need to keep the pressure up and need more sanctions.

Propaganda.

/Just trying to figure out why right wing nuts will try to spin this.
 
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