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2014-02-10 10:35:44 AM  
Bummer about Will Smith.  Because it would have been awesome for him to be the president in the movie.  Especially with Stripper Mom as first lady.  Wouldn't that be turn-about?

I don't know how they are going to explain Bill Pullman being president in 1996 and in 2015.  Especially since he was the president who was responsible for defeating the alienses.

Also, it'll be interesting to see how they handle it this time.  You'd have to assume that in that alternate time-line we have been able to really figure out a bunch of their technology, since it was no longer a secret that we were not alone.
 
2014-02-10 10:43:49 AM  

dittybopper: Bummer about Will Smith.  Because it would have been awesome for him to be the president in the movie.  Especially with Stripper Mom as first lady.  Wouldn't that be turn-about?

I don't know how they are going to explain Bill Pullman being president in 1996 and in 2015.  Especially since he was the president who was responsible for defeating the alienses.

Also, it'll be interesting to see how they handle it this time.  You'd have to assume that in that alternate time-line we have been able to really figure out a bunch of their technology, since it was no longer a secret that we were not alone.


Here's how they do it, Stripper Mom's kid is now a pilot in the Advanced Alien Technology Applications Center (AATAC for short) run by Goldblum and Pullman, the craft they are developing was named for Smith after he died testing it. Oh and Randy Quaid's daughter is now president.
 
2014-02-10 11:00:58 AM  
But who's going to say "Welcome to Earf"?
 
2014-02-10 11:02:05 AM  
Who then shall do the welcoming to Earth?
 
2014-02-10 11:18:38 AM  
My prediction: Boomer Shall Live.
 
2014-02-10 11:26:51 AM  
Subby has it backwards.

The original is a bad movie. Smith was the only remotely entertaining thing about it.

/of course ... if you're a Will Smith hater then the movie had nothing for you.
 
2014-02-10 11:26:54 AM  
Better: Neither will his son.
 
2014-02-10 11:29:48 AM  
Hopefully the aliens will switch from TCP/IP this time.  They wont fall for that trick twice.
 
2014-02-10 11:30:19 AM  

RedPhoenix122: But who's going to say "Welcome to Earf"?


Oh, you're *so* predictable.

/especially since I intended to post the same thing
/shakes tiny fist (before punching alien)
 
2014-02-10 11:30:30 AM  
He was a lead, but it was an ensemble cast. It the writers seriously cannot come up with 3000 valid reasons for the character being gone there is no reason to believe the script is any good.
I think this is just Emmerich trying to publicly guilt Smith into doing it cheap.
 
2014-02-10 11:30:35 AM  
I remember when this came out thinking "this has to be the rock bottom of how childish blockbusters will get in my day". What a rube I was.
 
2014-02-10 11:33:23 AM  
You are all forgetting something very important. Will Smith might not be in it.. But he will shoe horn Jaden Smith into it like hes done so many times in the past.
 
2014-02-10 11:34:14 AM  
can we get shia to take the lead role? he would be awesome in it
 
2014-02-10 11:34:30 AM  

Phil Moskowitz: I remember when this came out thinking "this has to be the rock bottom of how childish blockbusters will get in my day". What a rube I was.


i, too, overestimated the tastes of the moviegoing public.
 
2014-02-10 11:34:33 AM  

Farking Canuck: Subby has it backwards.

The original is a bad movie. Smith was the only remotely entertaining thing about it.

/of course ... if you're a Will Smith hater then the movie had nothing for you.


I COULD HAVE BEEN AT A BBQ!!!!
 
2014-02-10 11:36:16 AM  
What I want to know is who is going to welcome them to earf?
 
2014-02-10 11:37:37 AM  
As long as Tommy Lee Jones is back.
 
2014-02-10 11:37:38 AM  
I actually didn't hate the original.  It had Randy Quaid literally playing himself.

/hangs head in shame
 
2014-02-10 11:38:56 AM  
How on Earf is it good that Will Smith won't be in it?
 
2014-02-10 11:39:03 AM  
Unless it's a black and white silent film with Serbian subtitles and the plot doesn't involve a male-female-tiger love triangle, I definitely will not see it.
 
2014-02-10 11:44:12 AM  
I'm sort of sad about this. The only thing Will Smith has done in the last few years that I thought was any good was the last MiB movie, and even that felt kind of half assed to me.

As far as "A listers" go, I feel like his standing here is pretty suspect.

Also, he needs to stop giving the CoS millions of dollars if he wants people to stop calling him a Scientologist. Also, try making a good movie. Scientologists don't really do that either.
 
2014-02-10 11:45:10 AM  

Farking Canuck: The original is a bad movie. Smith was the only remotely entertaining thing about it.


What, specifically, was so bad about it?

I mean, yeah, it wasn't Doctor Zhivago, but it wasn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
 
2014-02-10 11:48:49 AM  
With two of the other lead actors reprising the same roles, it will be hard to pretend that Hiller just disappeared so unless the script makes a convincing argument for Smith's absence, the After Earth actor will leave a conspicuous gap.

He's a black guy in a SciFi movie. Just put a helmet on him and kill him off in the first minutes of the movie.
neuroticcity.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-10 11:50:40 AM  

Farking Canuck: Subby has it backwards.

The original is a bad movie. Smith was the only remotely entertaining thing about it.

/of course ... if you're a Will Smith hater then the movie had nothing for you.


He was what made the first movie watchable. Subby is a fool.
 
2014-02-10 11:50:50 AM  

funk_soul_bubby: As long as Tommy Lee Jones is back.

Please link me the scene or scenes that he was in, because I must have missed all of them.

 
2014-02-10 11:50:51 AM  

Farking Canuck: Subby has it backwards.

The original is a bad movie. Smith was the only remotely entertaining thing about it.

/of course ... if you're a Will Smith hater then the movie had nothing for you.


Uhhh not uhhhh not quite. You see, some of us, you see uhhhh really like Jewish uhhhh Jewish heroes who can decide if or if not the fat lady has sung
 
2014-02-10 11:54:24 AM  

dittybopper: Farking Canuck: The original is a bad movie. Smith was the only remotely entertaining thing about it.

What, specifically, was so bad about it?

I mean, yeah, it wasn't Doctor Zhivago, but it wasn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be.


I could make a list ... but mostly the issues revolve around the grade-school understanding of computers by whoever wrote the screenplay and the excessive unlikely connections between the characters. We won't even go into putting anyone who's every flown a jet into a modern fighter and expecting them to be in any way successful.
 
2014-02-10 11:55:13 AM  
Of all the people they could have chosen for Jimmy Fallon's premiere on The Tonight Show, why did they choose Will Smith? Is he pimping a movie or series for NBC Universal?
 
2014-02-10 11:56:14 AM  

Flappyhead: Better: Neither will his son.


Maybe thats why he wont do it, they wont write a part for Jaden.


I tried watching After Earth, got about 15 minutes into it before i gave up. Aside from the general stupidity, I just couldnt get over Jadens speech impediment, it was really really distracting, i dont know how they can expect him to make it as an actor without some serious speech therapy.
 
2014-02-10 11:57:08 AM  

Farking Canuck: dittybopper: Farking Canuck: The original is a bad movie. Smith was the only remotely entertaining thing about it.

What, specifically, was so bad about it?

I mean, yeah, it wasn't Doctor Zhivago, but it wasn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

I could make a list ... but mostly the issues revolve around the grade-school understanding of computers by whoever wrote the screenplay and the excessive unlikely connections between the characters. We won't even go into putting anyone who's every flown a jet into a modern fighter and expecting them to be in any way successful.


The original has bad science. Only nerds care if the science in a movie is bad. Ignore the science and it's an amusing little flick.

And I say nerds with the upmost respect as I have had my fair share of posts about the new Trek movies and how it's science works.
 
2014-02-10 11:58:44 AM  
As a side note. I saw After Earth this past weekend and I feel horrible for having done so. When you can call the exact script before it happens and even some of the exact dialoge then somebody made a crappy movie. I am so glad that I didn't spend any actual money watching that show. I kept watching just to see how much of the movie I could predict. I feel pretty confident that I predicted about 90% of the movie and 50% of the dialoge. That is a new record for me.
 
2014-02-10 12:00:56 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Farking Canuck: dittybopper: Farking Canuck: The original is a bad movie. Smith was the only remotely entertaining thing about it.

What, specifically, was so bad about it?

I mean, yeah, it wasn't Doctor Zhivago, but it wasn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

I could make a list ... but mostly the issues revolve around the grade-school understanding of computers by whoever wrote the screenplay and the excessive unlikely connections between the characters. We won't even go into putting anyone who's every flown a jet into a modern fighter and expecting them to be in any way successful.

The original has bad science. Only nerds care if the science in a movie is bad. Ignore the science and it's an amusing little flick.

And I say nerds with the upmost respect as I have had my fair share of posts about the new Trek movies and how it's science works.


But Jurassic Park is cool
 
2014-02-10 12:01:50 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Of all the people they could have chosen for Jimmy Fallon's premiere on The Tonight Show, why did they choose Will Smith? Is he pimping a movie or series for NBC Universal?


Because only Fark hates Will Smith. Now ALOT more people are annoyed with his kid then just Fark, i'll give ya that.

His big releases over the last 7 years?

After Earth (where alot of the hate comes from... since he forced you all to watch this movie and everything)

Budget $130 million[2][3]
Box office $243,843,127[3]

MiB 3

Budget $215 million[3]
Box office $624,026,776


Hancock

Budget $150 million[1]
Box office $624,386,746[1]


I am Legend

Budget $150 million
Box office $585,349,010[1]

YMMV, yet let it be clear folks, ya'll are the vocal miniority when it comes to people hating Will Smith.
 
2014-02-10 12:03:56 PM  
Actually, it would be an interesting premise:

Humanity could've taken the alien tech and started assimilating it, thus being able to start colonizing the solar system. At 2014-2015, Mars, the Moon, several floating satelites and even the mars moons could very well be thriving economic powerhouses while the Earth stagnates back to climate issues and typical political bickering, and thus a large recession happens on Earth (but not damaging the colonies, which are booming).

Suddenly, Mars claims sovereignty from Earth, as well as other colonies. Tension rises as a cold war between Earth and colonies start placing small armies here and there, and suddenly the aliens return; another fleet, this time bigger.

Will the Earth and the colonies join forces, or will they end up destroyed because they cannot unite under a bigger threat?.
 
2014-02-10 12:06:25 PM  

dittybopper: Bummer about Will Smith.  Because it would have been awesome for him to be the president in the movie.  Especially with Stripper Mom as first lady.  Wouldn't that be turn-about?

I don't know how they are going to explain Bill Pullman being president in 1996 and in 2015.  Especially since he was the president who was responsible for defeating the alienses.

Also, it'll be interesting to see how they handle it this time.  You'd have to assume that in that alternate time-line we have been able to really figure out a bunch of their technology, since it was no longer a secret that we were not alone.


We jump 1,000 years after Earth has been abandoned and Will Smith and his son come back.  But get this Will is hurt and his son has to do the heavy lifting.  Can't miss
 
2014-02-10 12:08:09 PM  
Way to be fresh and think outside the box, subby.
"I'm gonna thrash a movie no one has even filmed yet. That'll make me cool in the eyes of people I've never met."

/rolls eyes.
 
2014-02-10 12:08:37 PM  

CygnusDarius: Actually, it would be an interesting premise:

Humanity could've taken the alien tech and started assimilating it, thus being able to start colonizing the solar system. At 2014-2015, Mars, the Moon, several floating satelites and even the mars moons could very well be thriving economic powerhouses while the Earth stagnates back to climate issues and typical political bickering, and thus a large recession happens on Earth (but not damaging the colonies, which are booming).

Suddenly, Mars claims sovereignty from Earth, as well as other colonies. Tension rises as a cold war between Earth and colonies start placing small armies here and there, and suddenly the aliens return; another fleet, this time bigger.

Will the Earth and the colonies join forces, or will they end up destroyed because they cannot unite under a bigger threat?.


So, uhm, Colony Wars?
 
2014-02-10 12:13:47 PM  
Independence Day was awesome.
"Earf" is a stupid, inaccurate, lazy meme.
Will Smith (just him, not his son) is well liked by most of the country.

Stop being wrong about everything, Fark.
 
2014-02-10 12:14:08 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: TheShavingofOccam123: Of all the people they could have chosen for Jimmy Fallon's premiere on The Tonight Show, why did they choose Will Smith? Is he pimping a movie or series for NBC Universal?

Because only Fark hates Will Smith. Now ALOT more people are annoyed with his kid then just Fark, i'll give ya that.

His big releases over the last 7 years?

After Earth (where alot of the hate comes from... since he forced you all to watch this movie and everything)

Budget $130 million[2][3]
Box office $243,843,127[3]

MiB 3

Budget $215 million[3]
Box office $624,026,776


Hancock

Budget $150 million[1]
Box office $624,386,746[1]


I am Legend

Budget $150 million
Box office $585,349,010[1]

YMMV, yet let it be clear folks, ya'll are the vocal miniority when it comes to people hating Will Smith.


I'm chastened. That is serious bank.
 
2014-02-10 12:14:52 PM  

Zombie DJ: Way to be fresh and think outside the box, subby.
"I'm gonna thrash a movie no one has even filmed yet. That'll make me cool in the eyes of people I've never met."

/rolls eyes.


Yeah, he should learn how to thrash people he's never met on the internet instead.
 
2014-02-10 12:17:47 PM  

Farking Canuck: dittybopper: Farking Canuck: The original is a bad movie. Smith was the only remotely entertaining thing about it.

What, specifically, was so bad about it?

I mean, yeah, it wasn't Doctor Zhivago, but it wasn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

I could make a list ... but mostly the issues revolve around the grade-school understanding of computers by whoever wrote the screenplay and the excessive unlikely connections between the characters. We won't even go into putting anyone who's every flown a jet into a modern fighter and expecting them to be in any way successful.


I'm a programmer/analyst, and was one when the movie came out.

I didn't find a problem with the depiction of computers in that movie.  Actually, it was quite plausible:  We find out how they count using their radio signals that are interfering with our satellites.  If we know how they count, that goes a long way to writing software for their machines.  And we had a working example of one of their computers that we could test at Area 51.

Now, we don't have to write some huge, complex piece of software to fark up their computers:  They have a hive mentality, so the concept of a malicious computer virus may have never occurred to them, or, if it did, they relied on the physical security of their ships to prevent it from being implanted.

In simple words, their computer security would have been to rely on a hard, crunchy exterior to protect the soft, creamy center.

The virus itself could have been nothing more complicated than a fork bomb, with the skull graphics/laugh added as a "Fark you" to the aliens.  Something that simple could easily overwhelm a computer system that isn't designed to handle something like that, at least until the Alien IT Department could figure out what was going on, and kill it.

Alternatively, it could have just been a command to shut down the shield system.  Since they had the alien fighter to test, they could do black-box testing, feeding it commands until they found the particular combination that shut down the shields.

Either one would work.
 
2014-02-10 12:18:49 PM  
I don't get the Will Smith hate.  The dude may not be Mr Oscar, but he entertains.

/and draws
 
2014-02-10 12:19:10 PM  

Farking Canuck: I could make a list ... but mostly the issues revolve around the grade-school understanding of computers by whoever wrote the screenplay and the excessive unlikely connections between the characters. We won't even go into putting anyone who's every flown a jet into a modern fighter and expecting them to be in any way successful.


those are minor plot contrivances though.  all action movies have them and all science fiction movies have them.  its part of the escapist fantasy of movies, you know what is happening is technically impossible, but you go along with it because you like the characters and the film makes you believe it.  i can ignore most plot contrivances as long as the characters and the story are good, and independence day does that well, it tells a fast-paced story with a bunch of interesting characters, some humor, some action, some suspense.  the little plot holes you mention barely even touch my radar because the rest of the movie is so entertaining.
 
2014-02-10 12:21:39 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: The original has bad science. Only nerds care if the science in a movie is bad. Ignore the science and it's an amusing little flick.


It does have some bad science in it.  Some of it, however, isn't as bad as people make it out to be.
 
2014-02-10 12:22:32 PM  

enderthexenocide: the little plot holes you mention barely even touch my radar because the rest of the movie is so entertaining.


And some of them, if you give them some extended thought, aren't actually plot holes.
 
2014-02-10 12:22:34 PM  

Farking Canuck: Subby has it backwards.

The original is a bad movie. Smith was the only remotely entertaining thing about it.

/of course ... if you're a Will Smith hater then the movie had nothing for you.


Who hates Will Smith?! That's like hating beautiful sunsets, puppies, and fresh-baked cinnamon rolls.
 
2014-02-10 12:25:55 PM  

dittybopper: Jim from Saint Paul: The original has bad science. Only nerds care if the science in a movie is bad. Ignore the science and it's an amusing little flick.

It does have some bad science in it.  Some of it, however, isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

starringthecomputer.com
 
2014-02-10 12:26:41 PM  
It's just going to be 1:40 of dogs jumping away from explosions as the last moment.
 
2014-02-10 12:26:41 PM  
But will it have Woll Smoth?
 
2014-02-10 12:26:53 PM  

dittybopper: Farking Canuck: dittybopper: Farking Canuck: The original is a bad movie. Smith was the only remotely entertaining thing about it.

What, specifically, was so bad about it?

I mean, yeah, it wasn't Doctor Zhivago, but it wasn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

I could make a list ... but mostly the issues revolve around the grade-school understanding of computers by whoever wrote the screenplay and the excessive unlikely connections between the characters. We won't even go into putting anyone who's every flown a jet into a modern fighter and expecting them to be in any way successful.

I'm a programmer/analyst, and was one when the movie came out.

I didn't find a problem with the depiction of computers in that movie.  Actually, it was quite plausible:  We find out how they count using their radio signals that are interfering with our satellites.  If we know how they count, that goes a long way to writing software for their machines.  And we had a working example of one of their computers that we could test at Area 51.

Now, we don't have to write some huge, complex piece of software to fark up their computers:  They have a hive mentality, so the concept of a malicious computer virus may have never occurred to them, or, if it did, they relied on the physical security of their ships to prevent it from being implanted.

In simple words, their computer security would have been to rely on a hard, crunchy exterior to protect the soft, creamy center.

The virus itself could have been nothing more complicated than a fork bomb, with the skull graphics/laugh added as a "Fark you" to the aliens.  Something that simple could easily overwhelm a computer system that isn't designed to handle something like that, at least until the Alien IT Department could figure out what was going on, and kill it.

Alternatively, it could have just been a command to shut down the shield system.  Since they had the alien fighter to test, they could do black-box testing, feeding it comm ...


I remember reading something about a cut scene explaining it in a bit more depth, but they DID mention in the movie that human computer breakthroughs had come from the crashed alien ship, so why wouldnt the software architecture be similar enough.
 
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