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(Rolling Stone)   Five things we learned from the mid-season premiere of The Walking dead. Leading the way is, yes, it's possible to hate Carl even more   (rollingstone.com) divider line 204
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2014-02-10 10:41:46 AM  
The lack of any Beth made that a difficult episode to fap to.
 
2014-02-10 10:43:16 AM  
A 15 year old kid in the Apocalypse acts like a douche after losing nearly everyone he loves.  Oh no, whatever will we do.
 
2014-02-10 10:48:31 AM  
I enjoyed last night's episode. I'm probably one of the few that doesnt get the internet hate for Carl. I mean he's not amazing but the hate seems ridiculous at times. Like Skylar level hate which even that I never got.
 
2014-02-10 10:51:53 AM  

roflmaonow: I enjoyed last night's episode. I'm probably one of the few that doesnt get the internet hate for Carl. I mean he's not amazing but the hate seems ridiculous at times. Like Skylar level hate which even that I never got.


So glad I didn't watch that show in real time, so I was spared that particular inanity.

I don't hate Carl, either the actor or the character. His big scene last night was a bit too much for the actor to handle, I thought.
 
2014-02-10 10:55:39 AM  
He's a teenager. Teenagers act rebellious. They think they know everything. They think their parents have no idea what they're doing.
The zombie apocalypse doesn't change this.
 
2014-02-10 10:55:46 AM  
His father is almost killed by the governor, they are wandering around, Rick gravely injured, and Carl thinks it's the perfect time to blame pop for all that has gone wrong and all the people killed by the governor, despite Rick having given up leadership to a council.

Then he wanders yet again, almost gets killed, wolfs down a bunch of rancid pudding and almost kills Rick. Focusing most of the show on him was the worst kind of torture to put fans of the show through. The kid needs to be gnawed on.

And how the hell does it work that when you have a couple armless, jawless walkers on ropes it suddenly makes you invisible to zombies? And the armless, jawless walkers lose interest in attacking you? WTF?
 
2014-02-10 10:57:44 AM  
I stopped watching before season three. I don't feel I've missed much since a one paragraph summary was all I needed to understand what was going on. Still, I am glad the show is plodding along.
 
2014-02-10 10:57:47 AM  
What is there to really hate about Carl? He is irrational, a bit of a snob, thinks he's better than his dad. OMG just like a teenager usually acts. The hate seems to stem from everyone thinking they would act differently in a zombie apocalypse. That if I was there I would just man up and kick ass. Sure...

I think the best scene of showing how much has been lost was when Carl and Rick got to the house and Carl found what seemed to be a teenagers room. Posters on the wall, books everywhere, TV and an XBox. The look that Carl had as he looked at it was a reminder of what he had enjoyed before the walkers and then the quick transition back to reality by taking the cable to use to secure the front door.
 
2014-02-10 10:58:12 AM  
Last night's episode was dreadful time wasting dreck that makes me wonder why I continue to watch. The show will do something interesting, and then delves back into banality.
 
2014-02-10 11:00:34 AM  

ActionJoe: What is there to really hate about Carl? He is irrational, a bit of a snob, thinks he's better than his dad. OMG just like a teenager usually acts. The hate seems to stem from everyone thinking they would act differently in a zombie apocalypse. That if I was there I would just man up and kick ass. Sure...

I think the best scene of showing how much has been lost was when Carl and Rick got to the house and Carl found what seemed to be a teenagers room. Posters on the wall, books everywhere, TV and an XBox. The look that Carl had as he looked at it was a reminder of what he had enjoyed before the walkers and then the quick transition back to reality by taking the cable to use to secure the front door.


The worst part of that episode was when Carl yanked the cable off the tv.  Have you ever tried to get those cables off a modern tv?  You have to be a contortionist with little girl fingers.  Totally unrealistic.
 
2014-02-10 11:00:38 AM  

Wellon Dowd: The lack of any Beth made that a difficult episode to fap to.


Oh I don't know about that. Watching Michone and her sword... that lady could slice my pecker off and it would still get hard.
 
2014-02-10 11:01:05 AM  

Cletus C.: His father is almost killed by the governor, they are wandering around, Rick gravely injured, and Carl thinks it's the perfect time to blame pop for all that has gone wrong and all the people killed by the governor, despite Rick having given up leadership to a council.


Carl "blames pop" because Rick was the natural leader of the group. Turning the decisions over to a council didn't change his qualifications, or the fact that he could have had the prison better prepared for attack. Nero wasn't the sole leader in Rome, but was still blamed for watching it burn.


Cletus C.: Then he wanders yet again, almost gets killed, wolfs down a bunch of rancid pudding and almost kills Rick. Focusing most of the show on him was the worst kind of torture to put fans of the show through. The kid needs to be gnawed on.


It's pretty clear from the above comments that Carl isn't universally disliked. I thought it was a pretty darn enjoyable episode.


Cletus C.: And how the hell does it work that when you have a couple armless, jawless walkers on ropes it suddenly makes you invisible to zombies? And the armless, jawless walkers lose interest in attacking you? WTF?


Oh, never mind... you haven't even watched the whole series.
 
2014-02-10 11:02:45 AM  

roflmaonow: I enjoyed last night's episode. I'm probably one of the few that doesnt get the internet hate for Carl. I mean he's not amazing but the hate seems ridiculous at times. Like Skylar level hate which even that I never got.


I don't hate Carl either, I think he actually did a great job acting that episode, trying to act like a "grown up" one minute, and then almost getting killed and realizing he's still a kid. Chocolate Puddin.
As for those getting bored watching, I feel sorry for you - I still enjoy Walking dead as much as when I discovered the show around the end of the 2nd season. Hell I'd like to find some books on the walking dead, gives me something to do in my spare time.
 
2014-02-10 11:03:51 AM  
I don't get the Carl-hate. His character is way better now then he was is seasons 1-2.

The teenage-angst stuff from last night's episode was straight from the book post-prison battle.

I so hope that TV-Carl continues along Book-Carl's character path...
 
2014-02-10 11:04:44 AM  

Mentat: A 15 year old kid in the Apocalypse acts like a douche after losing nearly everyone he loves.  Oh no, whatever will we do.


Well, I was voting for execution.
 
2014-02-10 11:06:54 AM  

Cletus C.: And how the hell does it work that when you have a couple armless, jawless walkers on ropes it suddenly makes you invisible to zombies? And the armless, jawless walkers lose interest in attacking you? WTF?


I just chalk it up as 'one of those things.'  There are a lot of 'em, and you just kind of have to let them go.

But yeah, if keeping two zombies around you keeps zombies disinterested, then just walking amongst zombies at all should keep zombies disinterested.  Which would lead to some pretty safe zombies.
 
2014-02-10 11:07:48 AM  

clkeagle: Cletus C.: His father is almost killed by the governor, they are wandering around, Rick gravely injured, and Carl thinks it's the perfect time to blame pop for all that has gone wrong and all the people killed by the governor, despite Rick having given up leadership to a council.

Carl "blames pop" because Rick was the natural leader of the group. Turning the decisions over to a council didn't change his qualifications, or the fact that he could have had the prison better prepared for attack. Nero wasn't the sole leader in Rome, but was still blamed for watching it burn.


Cletus C.: Then he wanders yet again, almost gets killed, wolfs down a bunch of rancid pudding and almost kills Rick. Focusing most of the show on him was the worst kind of torture to put fans of the show through. The kid needs to be gnawed on.

It's pretty clear from the above comments that Carl isn't universally disliked. I thought it was a pretty darn enjoyable episode.


Cletus C.: And how the hell does it work that when you have a couple armless, jawless walkers on ropes it suddenly makes you invisible to zombies? And the armless, jawless walkers lose interest in attacking you? WTF?

Oh, never mind... you haven't even watched the whole series.


Yes, I've watched the whole series. The writing takes incredibly lame turns at times, like almost the entire time they were on the magical farm, where it plodded almost to the point of driving me away.

The "cover yourself with zombie guts" to avoid detection made some sense but zombies on a rope does not.
 
2014-02-10 11:07:52 AM  
Too busy watching True Detective to give any farks.
 
2014-02-10 11:10:45 AM  

Relatively Obscure: But yeah, if keeping two zombies around you keeps zombies disinterested, then just walking amongst zombies at all should keep zombies disinterested.


whatculture.com

Worked for them.
 
2014-02-10 11:12:18 AM  
I'm going to take issue with the flexible rules for killing zombies. It used to be that if you take off the head, or shoot the head, the zombie is no more. How many zombies got put down with a single Daryl bolt to the eye? Now, decapitation doesn't finish the job as we have zombie Herschel head. Has Michonne just been creating a bunch of ankle-biting zombies this whole time?

/it's part of the reason I think we will see zombie Governor.
 
2014-02-10 11:12:42 AM  

Misconduc: roflmaonow: I enjoyed last night's episode. I'm probably one of the few that doesnt get the internet hate for Carl. I mean he's not amazing but the hate seems ridiculous at times. Like Skylar level hate which even that I never got.

I don't hate Carl either, I think he actually did a great job acting that episode, trying to act like a "grown up" one minute, and then almost getting killed and realizing he's still a kid. Chocolate Puddin.
As for those getting bored watching, I feel sorry for you - I still enjoy Walking dead as much as when I discovered the show around the end of the 2nd season. Hell I'd like to find some books on the walking dead, gives me something to do in my spare time.


Indeed.  I'd get bored of the show if it was always non-stop intensity.  You can't have the pure insanity all of the time.  The show would suck.

I liked the episode.  Good setup for things to come.  The actors did a good job.  I was content.
 
2014-02-10 11:13:51 AM  

Milo Minderbinder: I'm going to take issue with the flexible rules for killing zombies. It used to be that if you take off the head, or shoot the head, the zombie is no more. How many zombies got put down with a single Daryl bolt to the eye? Now, decapitation doesn't finish the job as we have zombie Herschel head. Has Michonne just been creating a bunch of ankle-biting zombies this whole time?


I'm pretty sure it was always 'the brain,' without being too specific about how much or which parts of said brain are required.  This wasn't the first snappy severed head.  I'm pretty sure there was one early in Season 1 that Daryl put down.
 
2014-02-10 11:14:08 AM  
They've never made it real clear if the zombies hunt solely by smell or if sound is a factor. Since our characters have hidden before,smell is only a factor sometimes. They have also made it clear most of the survivors turn after death, they may be setting up she has either a immunity to the zombie plague or some other factor that changes her smell.
 
2014-02-10 11:16:06 AM  
Was it...$240 worth of pudding?
 
2014-02-10 11:16:12 AM  
No Subby, you missed the phase where we were all liking Carl again.  You're still thinking of the, "where's Carl" season, which was right before the "badass" Carl season.  Catch up.
 
2014-02-10 11:16:34 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Milo Minderbinder: I'm going to take issue with the flexible rules for killing zombies. It used to be that if you take off the head, or shoot the head, the zombie is no more. How many zombies got put down with a single Daryl bolt to the eye? Now, decapitation doesn't finish the job as we have zombie Herschel head. Has Michonne just been creating a bunch of ankle-biting zombies this whole time?

I'm pretty sure it was always 'the brain,' without being too specific about how much or which parts of said brain are required.  This wasn't the first snappy severed head.  I'm pretty sure there was one early in Season 1 that Daryl put down.


So, cut off the arms and jaws and they make nice pets, but cut off the rest of the body, and they are still trying eat you?
 
2014-02-10 11:17:17 AM  

Milo Minderbinder: Now, decapitation doesn't finish the job as we have zombie Herschel head. Has Michonne just been creating a bunch of ankle-biting zombies this whole time?


They're just really hungry soccer balls.
 
2014-02-10 11:18:03 AM  

Milo Minderbinder: Relatively Obscure: Milo Minderbinder: I'm going to take issue with the flexible rules for killing zombies. It used to be that if you take off the head, or shoot the head, the zombie is no more. How many zombies got put down with a single Daryl bolt to the eye? Now, decapitation doesn't finish the job as we have zombie Herschel head. Has Michonne just been creating a bunch of ankle-biting zombies this whole time?

I'm pretty sure it was always 'the brain,' without being too specific about how much or which parts of said brain are required.  This wasn't the first snappy severed head.  I'm pretty sure there was one early in Season 1 that Daryl put down.

So, cut off the arms and jaws and they make nice pets, but cut off the rest of the body, and they are still trying eat you?


She said it before that if you cut off their arms and jaw they give up trying to grab you and eat you and will just wander.
 
2014-02-10 11:18:13 AM  

Milo Minderbinder: Relatively Obscure: Milo Minderbinder: I'm going to take issue with the flexible rules for killing zombies. It used to be that if you take off the head, or shoot the head, the zombie is no more. How many zombies got put down with a single Daryl bolt to the eye? Now, decapitation doesn't finish the job as we have zombie Herschel head. Has Michonne just been creating a bunch of ankle-biting zombies this whole time?

I'm pretty sure it was always 'the brain,' without being too specific about how much or which parts of said brain are required.  This wasn't the first snappy severed head.  I'm pretty sure there was one early in Season 1 that Daryl put down.

So, cut off the arms and jaws and they make nice pets, but cut off the rest of the body, and they are still trying eat you?


That seems to be the case.  One of those things, man.  One of those things.  Though, I guess it's hard to say whether a snapping head is actively trying to eat you or is just moving its jaw around because, well, it has one.
 
2014-02-10 11:19:44 AM  

MayoSlather: Last night's episode was dreadful time wasting dreck that makes me wonder why I continue to watch. The show will do something interesting, and then delves back into banality.


sometimesthingshappen.com
 
2014-02-10 11:19:56 AM  

Milo Minderbinder: I'm going to take issue with the flexible rules for killing zombies. It used to be that if you take off the head, or shoot the head, the zombie is no more. How many zombies got put down with a single Daryl bolt to the eye? Now, decapitation doesn't finish the job as we have zombie Herschel head. Has Michonne just been creating a bunch of ankle-biting zombies this whole time?

/it's part of the reason I think we will see zombie Governor.


uhh.. governor had a whole room full of liviing heads in jars..
 
2014-02-10 11:21:22 AM  
Yesterday Carl was breaking out of prison, badass, using a machine gun, head shot after head shot.

Today he's tripping over his own feet, literally, and can get a head shot with the zombie on top of him, shooting wildly in the air?  Walking backwards, blindly opening doors???

Keep in mind it's been a few months for us but it's only been a DAY for him!

The character is written totally inconsistently!

I'm not hating on the actor, or the character or the show, it's the WRITING.
 
2014-02-10 11:21:51 AM  

R5D4: I don't get the Carl-hate. His character is way better now then he was is seasons 1-2.

The teenage-angst stuff from last night's episode was straight from the book post-prison battle.

I so hope that TV-Carl continues along Book-Carl's character path...


I'm with you, he's one of my favorite characters.  Carl made the exact right call when he capped that kid with the shotgun last season.  The kid was told to drop the gun but he just kept advancing.  Granted he wasn't in a position to shoot anyone with it at the time.  He WAS in a position to swing it up and knock the gun out of Carl's hand.
 
2014-02-10 11:21:53 AM  

redheededstepchild: They've never made it real clear if the zombies hunt solely by smell or if sound is a factor. Since our characters have hidden before,smell is only a factor sometimes. They have also made it clear most of the survivors turn after death, they may be setting up she has either a immunity to the zombie plague or some other factor that changes her smell.


We know that if you smell like a zombie, they won't bother you.  We also know that they react to other zombies, causing them to swarm.  If the tame zombie cover her scent and if they don't set off the others, I can see how she could walk among them.
 
2014-02-10 11:24:52 AM  

Mentat: redheededstepchild: They've never made it real clear if the zombies hunt solely by smell or if sound is a factor. Since our characters have hidden before,smell is only a factor sometimes. They have also made it clear most of the survivors turn after death, they may be setting up she has either a immunity to the zombie plague or some other factor that changes her smell.

We know that if you smell like a zombie, they won't bother you.  We also know that they react to other zombies, causing them to swarm.  If the tame zombie cover her scent and if they don't set off the others, I can see how she could walk among them.


And you saw when she got to far away from her pet zombies, another zombie noticed her and started sniffing at her, which caused other zombies to take notice and start towards her also.
 
2014-02-10 11:27:30 AM  

swaxhog: MayoSlather: Last night's episode was dreadful time wasting dreck that makes me wonder why I continue to watch. The show will do something interesting, and then delves back into banality.

[sometimesthingshappen.com image 580x436]


Yup, that pretty much sums up my feelings.
 
2014-02-10 11:33:03 AM  
I have no problem with how Carl acted last night given what just happened to them all and his being an idiot kid.

But last night's Michonne story was stupid.

And the flashback/dream/nightmare has me worried they are about to kill more time with backstories I couldn't give a shiat about.
 
2014-02-10 11:35:56 AM  
Carl being pissed at Rick is okay, because we are all pissed at Rick for failing to protect Judith even though it clearly was no fault of his. So dramatically, we need to see Rick abused for that before we can move on.
 
2014-02-10 11:40:19 AM  

RoyBatty: Carl being pissed at Rick is okay, because we are all pissed at Rick for failing to protect Judith even though it clearly was no fault of his. So dramatically, we need to see Rick abused for that before we can move on.


Great, does that mean more phantom phone calls from Shane's lover and Rick dragging ass around for several episodes while we relate to his guilt and grief?
 
m00
2014-02-10 11:43:30 AM  

Relatively Obscure: But yeah, if keeping two zombies around you keeps zombies disinterested, then just walking amongst zombies at all should keep zombies disinterested. Which would lead to some pretty safe zombies.


they cut off their arms/jaws of the zombie on the rope which makes them super passive. Other zombies pick up on that passive vibe (they have a herd instinct when it comes to food).

that's how the show explained it anyway.
 
2014-02-10 11:43:46 AM  

Cletus C.: RoyBatty: Carl being pissed at Rick is okay, because we are all pissed at Rick for failing to protect Judith even though it clearly was no fault of his. So dramatically, we need to see Rick abused for that before we can move on.

Great, does that mean more phantom phone calls from Shane's lover and Rick dragging ass around for several episodes while we relate to his guilt and grief?


That and then once the guilt arc is done and everything has closed.... plonk guess what Judith is not dead.  The one group whom we have not shown has had her in her care for the past 7 episodes.... HAHA we troll you, the last 7 eps were never needed.
 
2014-02-10 11:43:58 AM  

Cletus C.: RoyBatty: Carl being pissed at Rick is okay, because we are all pissed at Rick for failing to protect Judith even though it clearly was no fault of his. So dramatically, we need to see Rick abused for that before we can move on.

Great, does that mean more phantom phone calls from Shane's lover and Rick dragging ass around for several episodes while we relate to his guilt and grief?


Seems like the next several episodes will follow last night's format, focus on a couple of survivors and tell their story.
 
2014-02-10 11:45:45 AM  

m00: they cut off their arms/jaws of the zombie on the rope which makes them super passive. Other zombies pick up on that passive vibe (they have a herd instinct when it comes to food).

that's how the show explained it anyway.


Almost every zombie around has a pretty passive vibe until they don't.  There are often a bunch that don't seem to notice you until one does, so having two who don't shouldn't change the fact that one might.  The show's explanation seems silly to me, but it doesn't keep me from being entertained anyway.
 
2014-02-10 11:47:38 AM  

RoyBatty: Cletus C.: RoyBatty: Carl being pissed at Rick is okay, because we are all pissed at Rick for failing to protect Judith even though it clearly was no fault of his. So dramatically, we need to see Rick abused for that before we can move on.

Great, does that mean more phantom phone calls from Shane's lover and Rick dragging ass around for several episodes while we relate to his guilt and grief?

Seems like the next several episodes will follow last night's format, focus on a couple of survivors and tell their story.


The previews have shown a very ill Glenn, which will grow old fast. He's at his best when he's farking the super-hot Maggie. Fark that father-loss right out of her.
 
m00
2014-02-10 11:51:31 AM  

Relatively Obscure: m00: they cut off their arms/jaws of the zombie on the rope which makes them super passive. Other zombies pick up on that passive vibe (they have a herd instinct when it comes to food).

that's how the show explained it anyway.

Almost every zombie around has a pretty passive vibe until they don't.  There are often a bunch that don't seem to notice you until one does, so having two who don't shouldn't change the fact that one might.  The show's explanation seems silly to me, but it doesn't keep me from being entertained anyway.


Yeah... out of all the implausible things in the show... how the humans act is WAY more implausible than how zombies act. :)
 
2014-02-10 11:51:48 AM  
The show is in a difficult position right now- with the group broken up into what, 3,4,5 separate groups, it would be hard to keep track of them all in a single episode. So they will have to focus on the small groups individually. i can live with that. Last night was good, and Michonne finding them at the end hopefully portends the group finding each other again.
 
2014-02-10 11:53:22 AM  

m00: Yeah... out of all the implausible things in the show... how the humans act is WAY more implausible than how zombies act. :)


I can discount human behavior by remembering how often humans do inexplicable things in reality, and remain entertained :)
 
2014-02-10 11:54:29 AM  

Saiga410: Cletus C.: RoyBatty: Carl being pissed at Rick is okay, because we are all pissed at Rick for failing to protect Judith even though it clearly was no fault of his. So dramatically, we need to see Rick abused for that before we can move on.

Great, does that mean more phantom phone calls from Shane's lover and Rick dragging ass around for several episodes while we relate to his guilt and grief?

That and then once the guilt arc is done and everything has closed.... plonk guess what Judith is not dead.  The one group whom we have not shown has had her in her care for the past 7 episodes.... HAHA we troll you, the last 7 eps were never needed.


I still say the psycho brats have Judith, but she is now a zombie baby. All the clues will lead up to her being alive, then when she is finally revealed... NOM NOM NOM Heartbreak-Angst-Emmy
 
2014-02-10 11:55:22 AM  
I think the next episode is when Beth becomes a "real woman".

static3.wikia.nocookie.net

She's looking forward to it.
 
2014-02-10 11:56:11 AM  

GameSprocket: I think the next episode is when Beth becomes a "real woman".

[static3.wikia.nocookie.net image 378x594]

She's looking forward to it.


That is an incredibly unflattering picture.
 
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