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(BetaNews)   Windows 8.1 release update called, "A Frankenstein product stitched together with compromises." Considering the press Microsoft usually gets that's like a compliment. You might start seeing that phrase in their ads   (betanews.com) divider line 357
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2014-02-10 01:33:39 PM

MrSteve007: The only complaint people have now is UI changes for wider range of input types, which is kind of sad.


Nothing sad about. My needs as a mobile user are not the same as my needs when I am a static user. Pretty simple, really. My desktop and laptop computers need a different interface then, say, my phone or tablet.

As a static user, I don't want the lock screen or the start screen or the charm bar. You can keep all the shiate, please.
 
2014-02-10 01:33:41 PM
Thats the weird thing about Microsoft. Every other OS kinda sorta works.
 
2014-02-10 01:35:10 PM

DarkVader: Oh, and I'm sorry, Windoze was NEVER a good operating system.  Hell, it wasn't even an operating system until NT, it was just a MS-DOS overlay before that.  And for most of you, it wasn't even an OS before XP, since you probably had 98 before that, which was really just still an overlay on MS-DOS.

The first release that wasn't a complete steaming pile of dogshiat was 7.  It was still shiat, but it had time to cool down and didn't stink as badly.

Windoze 8 is freshly dropped and steaming again, with a runny diarrhea quality added to it.

At least I don't have to use that turd.  I've been using Macs on the desktop and in the server room since the late '80s, and Apple IIs before that, with some Linux servers quietly crunching away in the racks these days too.


very visual description.
 
2014-02-10 01:35:13 PM
I used to like Win 8, but now I really like 8.1, and am sure to find the next update an incremental improvement. I'll even wager that I'll love the OS so much by the time 9 is released, that I'll be utterly disgusted that the laptop replacing this one comes with 9.

9 sucks balls already. There, I said it. Happy now?!?
 
2014-02-10 01:35:45 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Far Cough: dj_spanmaster: dj_spanmaster: Supadope: 95 bad
98 good
ME bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad
9 good?

Just skipping versions 1, 2, 3.1, and 2000 for fun?

And
[img.fark.net image 300x400]
?

Very nice reference, grammatically.

Though of course it wasn't an OS per se.

/Win 3.0
/Win98SE
/Windows for Workgroups (various versions)
/Windows for Alpha
/NT 3, 3.51, 4, etc.

It's all the same codebase since forever at this point, not unlike Unix/Linux/BSD/OSX.

if you want to be hyper technical, then:

for the 9x, and 1 through 3.11 codebase, the OS is: IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS

everything else is an accessory (including any GUIs or COMMAND.COM)

for the NT codebase (from 3.1 to Current Windows versions including XP,Vista,8): NTLDR, NTDETECT, NTOSKRNL

from the loading of HAL.DLL on, these are all accessories, and not the OS itself.

Granted, the OS is useless by itself without some kind of user interface, which is why most people consider COMMAND.COM or the GUI as part of the OS itself... but is not technically correct... just like the Linux kernel is the OS... any interface loaded beyond that point is again, an accessory.


Yeah, I was one of the ones arguing that all the 3s and 9xs were still just DOS.  I was mostly right, though there are good arguments either way.
 
2014-02-10 01:36:52 PM

Marine1: No more dead space on the desktop sitting there doing nothing when it could be displaying information.


This right here is the source of all that lost productivity. Sure stock brokers night need a ticker tape of information displayed constantly on their desktop, but for every one stockbroker there are hundreds of non-stockbrokers displaying "news" feeds.

Let me just check my email, oh wait Justin Beiber did what?!?!? Better read all about that shiat. Productivity, lost.
 
2014-02-10 01:39:12 PM

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: xanadian: If my OS starts screaming "FIREFOX BAD," I'm downgrading.

[www.thecampuscompanion.com image 700x375]


Here's Hans Delbruck and Abby Someone.
images.indianexpress.com
 
2014-02-10 01:40:57 PM

Unobtanium: In other words, they still don't get it. I have a touch-enabled laptop, and I do not use the touchscreen.


Lolwut? Why did you buy it then?
 
2014-02-10 01:42:28 PM

Far Cough: Yeah, I was one of the ones arguing that all the 3s and 9xs were still just DOS. I was mostly right, though there are good arguments either way.


A great number of people don't know what an OS is technically, even a great number of technicians. So it does not surprise me that some people would argue against what you and I said in that regard.
 
2014-02-10 01:42:40 PM

BumpInTheNight: ikanreed: cman: Now if we could destroy Unity next...

There are like one trillion tech products with that name.  I assume you mean the Linux one?  Not the game engine, or development tool, right?

I'm guessing so, Unity the game engine is pretty spiffy.  Unity the Metro of Linux UIs is certainly not, in fact among my circle of co-workers and friends its the single driving force that's making us migrate away from Ubuntu since they seem to have locked their jaws onto that and several other unwanted features.

.
Ugh. While I'm not an Ubuntu user (been using Fedora/RedHat since 1998 or so), Gnome 3 is just as bad as Unity, I end up alternating between Mate, Cinnamon, Enlightenment, and Fluxbox.
 
2014-02-10 01:43:15 PM

Nurglitch: Egoy3k: DanZero: Not too much hate on 8.

It's your operating system. It will find some way to annoy you eventually.


Why the Windows 8 haters want to have an outdated UI option that nobody should be using anymore anyway is a mystery to me.

The start menu  uses less than 30% of the screen for a task that is pretty much always a quick uni-tasking activity.  You click the menu find what you want in tightly fitted text and small icons open it and the start menudisappears.

Metro is a full screen start menu that displays live data and larger icons that are easily found and clicked on quickly.

Then again who bothers witheither? Just hit the windows key and type the first three letters of the name of what you want.

Cool. Yet again, I have learned something on Fark.


It's amazing how many people don't know you can do this. I pretty much always launch programs with windows key, a few letters, and enter.
 
2014-02-10 01:45:54 PM

Carn: Sorry that's my lazy abbreviation for virtual machines :D


Yeah, I know.  It was funnier the other way, though.
 
2014-02-10 01:47:56 PM
Umm i'd just like to say...that win8 isn't as bloated as earlier versions is mostly bollocks...

yes when you first install it it's a damn sight faster than win 7... HOWEVER i've got a VM here, that is literally win8, office 2013 and the dynamics plug in...

in the last 5 months, it's gone from speedy...to slower than a legged horse nailed to the floor.

Honestly it's farking rediculous.....
 
2014-02-10 01:47:57 PM

loaba: Nothing sad about. My needs as a mobile user are not the same as my needs when I am a static user. Pretty simple, really. My desktop and laptop computers need a different interface then, say, my phone or tablet.

As a static user, I don't want the lock screen or the start screen or the charm bar. You can keep all the shiate, please.


That's the thing. As processors get more power efficient (while roughly keeping up with Moores law for processing power), it makes sense to have an operating system that is the swiss army knife, that can be different things in different situations. Why have a separate desktop, laptop and tablet?

I use my Surface Pro 2 as all of them.

When at work, the machine is docked and I'm driving 4 large external monitors, a desktop keyboard, hardwired to my gigabit network, USB 3 to DVD burner and large external drives. While I can't do any GPU heavy lifting CAD rendering, it actually does a nice job with HD video editing and any other "desktop" need you can through at it. In this mode, I'm almost always in the old style desktop.

Then I undock my machine and with the keyboard cover, use it like a laptop while commuting on the train - checking emails, writing replies, etc.

Then when I get home, I can use the kickstand and touch interface on the couch or in bed and use it just like a tablet (except I have all the programs I could ever want to use). I have ~8-10 hours of battery life, which is more than enough to watch Netflix before heading to sleep.

It's doable to do all that with Win 7, but without a stylus, it's a terrible touch interface. And XP is completely antiquated with this scenario.

I still have a traditional desktop for gaming at home. But at this point, that's all it does. With exception of games, I could completely replace it with a docking station.

/now if I could only get a real external GPU solution . . .
 
2014-02-10 01:49:55 PM

moel: Umm i'd just like to say...that win8 isn't as bloated as earlier versions is mostly bollocks...

yes when you first install it it's a damn sight faster than win 7... HOWEVER i've got a VM here, that is literally win8, office 2013 and the dynamics plug in...

in the last 5 months, it's gone from speedy...to slower than a legged horse nailed to the floor.

Honestly it's farking rediculous.....


VMs cannot be used for benchmarking purposes. Run it native then we'll talk.
 
2014-02-10 01:50:04 PM

nekom: My long standing "every other version" policy has never failed me.  XP was great.  7 is fantastic!  8 can go to hell.  Can't wait for the next one.


Win2K was good, and XP was better.  Vista.....well, let's not speak of Vista.
 
2014-02-10 01:50:42 PM

Handsome B. Wonderful: Unobtanium: In other words, they still don't get it. I have a touch-enabled laptop, and I do not use the touchscreen.

Lolwut? Why did you buy it then?


Because it had all the other features I wanted at the price (it's an Asus X202). At the time I was looking for an i3 or i5, 13.3 or smaller, at least one USB 3.0 port, slim and light so I can carry it for personal stuff along with my work laptop (a 15.6 Lenovo), under $500.00. It came with the touchscreen, but I didn't have to have that feature.

I had several computers that I was looking at, but decided on this one because it went on sale when I as ready to buy. I just looked - I paid less for it than most of the on-line offers for new ones available today.
 
2014-02-10 01:52:34 PM

vegas_greaser: BumpInTheNight: ikanreed: cman: Now if we could destroy Unity next...

There are like one trillion tech products with that name.  I assume you mean the Linux one?  Not the game engine, or development tool, right?

I'm guessing so, Unity the game engine is pretty spiffy.  Unity the Metro of Linux UIs is certainly not, in fact among my circle of co-workers and friends its the single driving force that's making us migrate away from Ubuntu since they seem to have locked their jaws onto that and several other unwanted features.
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Ugh. While I'm not an Ubuntu user (been using Fedora/RedHat since 1998 or so), Gnome 3 is just as bad as Unity, I end up alternating between Mate, Cinnamon, Enlightenment, and Fluxbox.


Why you no give love for KDE?  Why?

DarkVader: Carn: Sorry that's my lazy abbreviation for virtual machines :D

Yeah, I know.  It was funnier the other way, though.


I thought at least one of you was serious, because of course the DEC Alphas ran both VMS and MS Windows.
 
2014-02-10 01:58:13 PM
I use DOS Shell on MS-DOS 5.0 and I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2014-02-10 02:00:06 PM
HindiDiscoMonster:

I agree with you. Windows 8 is not suitable for a cookie cutter environment. People are far too used to using the classic Windows interface.

Isn't that the entire point of Windows? Shouldn't the UI's entire purpose to let the user do what they want as transparently, easily, and efficiently as possible?

I know, let's have everyone remember key combos on our GUI. That's intuitive and there's no way that won't require massive numbers of calls to tech support.
 
2014-02-10 02:05:32 PM

Foundling: I use DOS Shell on MS-DOS 5.0 and I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.


Gonna need a screenshot to show your work please. I'll wait for the snail mail of your dot matrix printout.
 
2014-02-10 02:06:18 PM

dj_spanmaster: Supadope: 95 bad
98 good
ME bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad
9 good?

Just skipping versions 1, 2, 3.1, and 2000 for fun?


And ignoring the dire first releases of XP and 98 for convenience too.
 
2014-02-10 02:06:24 PM

Foundling: I use DOS Shell on MS-DOS 5.0 and I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.


Pfft.  Newbie.  DesqView baby.
 
2014-02-10 02:11:43 PM
Have they fixed the useless search bar?  It shouldn't be an all day affair to search for files with (2) in the name.
 
2014-02-10 02:14:59 PM

Far Cough: Foundling: I use DOS Shell on MS-DOS 5.0 and I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

Pfft.  Newbie.  DesqView baby.


Kids these days.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-10 02:17:04 PM
Windows Server 2012 is feeling left out
 
2014-02-10 02:17:34 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Metro is great for Xbox and tablets, problem is only 7 people have a MS tablet.


7? Optimistic, aren't you? ;)
 
2014-02-10 02:21:44 PM

mokinokaro: dj_spanmaster: Supadope: 95 bad
98 good
ME bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad
9 good?

Just skipping versions 1, 2, 3.1, and 2000 for fun?

And ignoring the dire first releases of XP and 98 for convenience too.


The first release of XP has a farkGW place in my heart.
 
2014-02-10 02:22:24 PM
stupid filter
fark
G
W
 
2014-02-10 02:23:21 PM
I hit the upgrade before I came to work, somes like I'll have an interesting time when I get home.
 
2014-02-10 02:23:25 PM
ARGH!!!!

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-10 02:23:29 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Far Cough: Foundling: I use DOS Shell on MS-DOS 5.0 and I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

Pfft.  Newbie.  DesqView baby.

Kids these days.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x400]



Let's not get crazy.

www.eecis.udel.edu

upload.wikimedia.org

/used both
 
2014-02-10 02:23:43 PM
I rolled back to Win7 because of the audio software I use (Ableton Live 9 and Traktor Pro 2.x) had nothing but latency issues with the USB drivers for both my MOTU and my S4 deck in Win8.

/ymmv
 
2014-02-10 02:30:56 PM
Fark is an awfully strange place.  136 posts about the biggest movie opening of the year to date (Lego) but 234 posts in this latest edition of "Win8 Blows, Does Not, Does Too".
 
2014-02-10 02:40:15 PM
I'm not a codemonkey, but when Windows 8.1 shat the bed on my computer, leaving me unable to even do a factory reset (I suspect malware was involved--my bad, I know) or download the iso (because the windows product key is etched on my motherboard--thanks, Sony), I said "screw it" and installed Linux.

I made a Linux Live key and tried out Ubuntu first, then Mint.  I'm glad I made the decision--even when something goes wrong, I'm learning a lot about how operating systems work, and am able (with the assistance of the innumerable online resources) to eventually figure out how to fix it.  (I'm not a coder, but I'm not an idiot either.)

So I guess I have Microsoft to thank for me making the transition to open-source software.  Thanks, Microsoft!
 
2014-02-10 02:40:30 PM

Far Cough: Fark is an awfully strange place.  136 posts about the biggest movie opening of the year to date (Lego) but 234 posts in this latest edition of "Win8 Blows, Does Not, Does Too".


A lot of people ignore the entertainment tab.
 
2014-02-10 02:41:24 PM

Far Cough: Fark is an awfully strange place.  136 posts about the biggest movie opening of the year to date (Lego) but 234 posts in this latest edition of "Win8 Blows, Does Not, Does Too".


Your definition of 'biggest movie opening of the year' is also very odd....
 
2014-02-10 02:41:42 PM

Far Cough: demaL-demaL-yeH: Far Cough: Foundling: I use DOS Shell on MS-DOS 5.0 and I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

Pfft.  Newbie.  DesqView baby.

Kids these days.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x400]


Let's not get crazy.

[www.eecis.udel.edu image 850x370]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x637]

/used both


Fortran III, IV, or 77 on punchcards?

/All of the above.
//Typed about 6 damns* a minute, thank you.
///*Damn! *pop out punch card, rip, drop in convenient garbage can*
 
2014-02-10 02:43:02 PM

BumpInTheNight: Telos: In other words "it's different so it's bad, I want the exact same thing as before. Change is bad." Sorry, but the old start menu sucked horribly. The new start menu (aka Metro Desktop) is much better in that you don't have to sort through tiny folders to find what you want, and even if you don't see it you can type to search.

Yah because having all 18 of Office's stupid little obscure apps along with every other executable in one gigantic unsorted tile set resembling an detonated skittle bag is so great.  The superior Start Menu from 7 had a self learning 'commonly used' section front and center and then an organized tree to hold all those bullshiat apps you use once a century, and it also featured a search by typing right there as well.  Sure Metro would be okay for people who barely scratch the capabilities of a computer, but anyone doing any real amount of work on a system has enough apps installed that the flat sprawl gets hideous.


This.
 
2014-02-10 02:43:56 PM

moel: Far Cough: Fark is an awfully strange place.  136 posts about the biggest movie opening of the year to date (Lego) but 234 posts in this latest edition of "Win8 Blows, Does Not, Does Too".

Your definition of 'biggest movie opening of the year' is also very odd....


What do you mean?  It's the best reviewed and doing the best so far, as far as I know.  For the record, I'm literally the only person in that thread who wasn't impressed by the movie.  Literally.
 
2014-02-10 02:46:03 PM
One thing they still don't have right is the ability to "window" non-desktop apps.  Once again, Stardock MetroMix long ago fixed the mistakes that MSFT made in Metro/Modern/Windows Store/Fisher-Price UI.  "The Windows that can't window."  I have a 28" primary monitor.  I don't want one goddamn application hogging the entire screen.
 
2014-02-10 02:50:31 PM

Far Cough: Fark is an awfully strange place.  136 posts about the biggest movie opening of the year to date (Lego) but 234 posts in this latest edition of "Win8 Blows, Does Not, Does Too".


First off, the year to date is what, five weeks old? Second, we're not all children.
 
2014-02-10 02:54:29 PM

Orgasmatron138: Far Cough: Fark is an awfully strange place.  136 posts about the biggest movie opening of the year to date (Lego) but 234 posts in this latest edition of "Win8 Blows, Does Not, Does Too".

First off, the year to date is what, five weeks old? Second, we're not all children.


Geez, guys, take it easy.  It was just a random observation.  It's funny that in that thread I'm the one pilloried for not enjoying the movie enough.
 
2014-02-10 02:54:41 PM

coffeeburns: Windows Server 2012 is feeling left out


We've started using WS2012 here, it's not bad so far
 
2014-02-10 02:58:24 PM
Installing ClassicShell fixed 90% of my issues with Win8.
 
2014-02-10 03:03:39 PM

nekom: My long standing "every other version" policy has never failed me.  XP was great.  7 is fantastic!  8 can go to hell.  Can't wait for the next one.


Well, of course every other version is garbage. Why would they release two good versions in a row? If they release a crappy version every other version, people will still buy it either from new computers or from being in a situation where they need 'the latest system for compatibility.' I like to say "Every even version is the extended beta for every odd version." Windows 95 was just one long beta test for Windows 98. Windows Vista was one long beta test for Windows 7. Windows 8 is just one long beta test for windows 9.
 
2014-02-10 03:04:12 PM

Burning_Monk: Installing ClassicShell fixed 90% of my issues with Win8.


Pfft

Start8 is the only true start menu replacement.

It is the closest one that emulates the Windows 7 Start Menu.
 
2014-02-10 03:04:39 PM

nekom: My long standing "every other version" policy has never failed me.  XP was great.  7 is fantastic!  8 can go to hell.  Can't wait for the next one.


THIS.  I'm an IT professional, this has been a solid policy since win98
 
2014-02-10 03:04:58 PM

syrynxx: One thing they still don't have right is the ability to "window" non-desktop apps.  Once again, Stardock MetroMix long ago fixed the mistakes that MSFT made in Metro/Modern/Windows Store/Fisher-Price UI.  "The Windows that can't window."  I have a 28" primary monitor.  I don't want one goddamn application hogging the entire screen.


I'm not really sure why you'd want to window the apps.  They pretty much all suck for non-tablet environments and I feel like I'd much rather be using the desktop versions of them.
 
2014-02-10 03:06:26 PM
Spaghetti Code.
 
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