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2014-02-10 12:34:14 PM

Far Cough: HindiDiscoMonster: IRQ12: Just look how popular 'pinning' is!  (ohh yea 90% of it's use is people accidentally using it)

I understand the business and branding sense having a single platform for all devices but they really screwed the pooch by forcing it instead of easing people into it by having the metro design be default but having the ability to go back to a mostly 7 layout.

The constant need to (seemingly) bury administrative tools is maddening.

you can pin those too. :-P

He meant that they keep on hiding them further and differently in each version of Windows.


I was being a smartass :)
 
2014-02-10 12:35:21 PM

TheDirtyNacho: HindiDiscoMonster: IRQ12: Just look how popular 'pinning' is!  (ohh yea 90% of it's use is people accidentally using it)

I understand the business and branding sense having a single platform for all devices but they really screwed the pooch by forcing it instead of easing people into it by having the metro design be default but having the ability to go back to a mostly 7 layout.

The constant need to (seemingly) bury administrative tools is maddening.

you can pin those too. :-P


Actually admin tools are easier than ever to get to... just hit window+x key.  I use it multiple times daily.  Want explorer?  Window+E


that is cool... I never knew that... is there a central list / cheat sheet for key combinations?
 
2014-02-10 12:36:43 PM

coffeeburns: Molavian: Ever since my Technet subscription got canned I find that I'm migrating away from Windows products.

Especially at work.

I'm one of them, and I've had 0 problems with my 8.1 tablet. Though, ASUS ruined their camera app by not allowing the camera flash to work, but that doesn't have anything to do with MS.


maybe it's a power management setting... disables the flash.
 
2014-02-10 12:37:08 PM
I worked in IT all the way back to Windows 3.11.  I used to manually set IRQ settings on boards for Pete's Sake.  I put up with NT 3.51, 4.0, Win98, WinMe, Windows 2000, Windows XP, and finally Windows 7.  We did skip WinMe at work - everything else our CIO decided had to be implemented.  I got used to all of it.  This Windows 8 interface sucks donkey cock.  It needed to be said.  I have no other point.
 
2014-02-10 12:37:23 PM

PluckYew: Egoy3k: DanZero: Not too much hate on 8.

It's your operating system. It will find some way to annoy you eventually.


Why the Windows 8 haters want to have an outdated UI option that nobody should be using anymore anyway is a mystery to me.

The start menu  uses less than 30% of the screen for a task that is pretty much always a quick uni-tasking activity.  You click the menu find what you want in tightly fitted text and small icons open it and the start menudisappears.

Metro is a full screen start menu that displays live data and larger icons that are easily found and clicked on quickly.

Then again who bothers witheither? Just hit the windows key and type the first three letters of the name of what you want.

Who the fark are you?  What are you a 12 year old?   They put all the relevant tools in one place, conditioned us for 20 years to look in that place and it the next instance of the OS took it away.  Those of us in the Enterprise, don't have time to relearn how to use our goddamn tools.

If you want to provide a "new" interface (which nobody cares about) at least leave the functionality of the old interface. 

fark MS, I'll be waiting for Windows 9, if it's Metrofied, they can EABOD


Far-king THIS.

The classic Windows UI is not necessarily obsolete simply because the year is 2014 and regular end users tend to use user-friendly smartphones and tablets, something that the Metro interface is completely suited to be used on.

Try using it on a desktop PC, however, and you get the major shiatshow we're seeing right now.

At the very LEAST, they could have made both Classic and Metro UIs separate built-in options, and defaulted to Metro upon installation since they're pushing it so damn much.

Microsoft shouldn't have omitted the very feature (the Start/Programs menu) that made them farking successful in the first place. I understand computer technology changes in a heartbeat, but *some* things just shouldn't change.

Now, if only I could get Win 8.1 to stop using over half of the 4GBs on my new laptop.....
 
2014-02-10 12:37:40 PM

Supadope: 95 bad
98 good
ME bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad
9 good?

I don't know why people keep saying this?

For YEARS Windows XP was complete and absolute crap and people weren't going to move away from Windows 2000 (which you left out). Until SP2, and even a bit in SP3, XP was one of the worst offenders for crashes and bluescreens on the planet. It seemed like if you did anything to the video card drivers, you'd bluescreen that operating system. I remember the pain of having to deal with Bluetooth drivers and having to use 3rd party controls to get devices to work properly. And god help you if you wanted to search & index the operating system and a large external media drive. In XP, it's like working with a snail.

 It seems like people love to look at that Fisher Price operating system with rose colored glasses.
 
2014-02-10 12:38:32 PM

TheDirtyNacho: 8 actually adds a number of OS tweaks that are nice compared to 7.  Explorer and Task Manager come to mind as being nicely upgraded.  It's a bit faster loading too.

I don't get the 8 hate.  I came in with 8.1 so I boot to desktop, but the start pages don't bother me, especially after watching the "who moved my cheese" video.  And in multi-monitor, 8.1 is a huge upgrade.

I do have a touchscreen and its great in presentation situations.  I had a meeting with a client the other day (an architect) and we were flipping through slides and images with it.  It's much more graceful and a crowd pleaser for sure.



I do like some of the tools in 8/8.1, main feature that stands out for me is the ISO feature. In 8, you can mount a ISO and run it directly in Windows. In 7, you'd need a 3rd-party app like DEAMON tools. I also like the file transfer functionality of win 8 as well.

For a touchscreen presentations, I'd rather use my Asus Transformer. It's smaller and easier to carry and it has a cool name...
 
2014-02-10 12:39:17 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: TheDirtyNacho: HindiDiscoMonster: IRQ12: Just look how popular 'pinning' is!  (ohh yea 90% of it's use is people accidentally using it)

I understand the business and branding sense having a single platform for all devices but they really screwed the pooch by forcing it instead of easing people into it by having the metro design be default but having the ability to go back to a mostly 7 layout.

The constant need to (seemingly) bury administrative tools is maddening.

you can pin those too. :-P


Actually admin tools are easier than ever to get to... just hit window+x key.  I use it multiple times daily.  Want explorer?  Window+E

that is cool... I never knew that... is there a central list / cheat sheet for key combinations?


Just google windows 8 shortcuts..  for the win+x menu, you can hit the key with the underline to go right to it.  So Win+X then M = Device Manager
 
2014-02-10 12:40:03 PM
Metro sucks for me because I prefer a clean desktop. I have 0 shortcuts on my desktop and 3 pinned applications, explorer, firefox and steam. If I want to open a program I open it's exe directly from the install folder, rarely Start>whatever. Metro just looks messy.
 
2014-02-10 12:40:08 PM

TheDirtyNacho: HindiDiscoMonster: IRQ12: Just look how popular 'pinning' is!  (ohh yea 90% of it's use is people accidentally using it)

I understand the business and branding sense having a single platform for all devices but they really screwed the pooch by forcing it instead of easing people into it by having the metro design be default but having the ability to go back to a mostly 7 layout.

The constant need to (seemingly) bury administrative tools is maddening.

you can pin those too. :-P


Actually admin tools are easier than ever to get to... just hit window+x key.  I use it multiple times daily.  Want explorer?  Window+E


Can we PLEASE call a moratorium on touting "Windows 8 features" that existed in OLD OLD versions of Windows?  It's really sounding desperate out there.

Win-E has been around since XP and Win-X since 7, I believe.
 
2014-02-10 12:40:13 PM

MrSteve007: Supadope: 95 bad
98 good
ME bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad
9 good?
I don't know why people keep saying this?

For YEARS Windows XP was complete and absolute crap and people weren't going to move away from Windows 2000 (which you left out). Until SP2, and even a bit in SP3, XP was one of the worst offenders for crashes and bluescreens on the planet. It seemed like if you did anything to the video card drivers, you'd bluescreen that operating system. I remember the pain of having to deal with Bluetooth drivers and having to use 3rd party controls to get devices to work properly. And god help you if you wanted to search & index the operating system and a large external media drive. In XP, it's like working with a snail.

 It seems like people love to look at that Fisher Price operating system with rose colored glasses.


That's an insult to Fischer Price...
 
2014-02-10 12:42:04 PM

Far Cough: Can we PLEASE call a moratorium on touting "Windows 8 features" that existed in OLD OLD versions of Windows? It's really sounding desperate out there.Win-E has been around since XP and Win-X since 7, I believe.


yes it does... so why be desperate about something you have no intention of using?
 
2014-02-10 12:42:22 PM

Far Cough: TheDirtyNacho: HindiDiscoMonster: IRQ12: Just look how popular 'pinning' is!  (ohh yea 90% of it's use is people accidentally using it)

I understand the business and branding sense having a single platform for all devices but they really screwed the pooch by forcing it instead of easing people into it by having the metro design be default but having the ability to go back to a mostly 7 layout.

The constant need to (seemingly) bury administrative tools is maddening.

you can pin those too. :-P


Actually admin tools are easier than ever to get to... just hit window+x key.  I use it multiple times daily.  Want explorer?  Window+E

Can we PLEASE call a moratorium on touting "Windows 8 features" that existed in OLD OLD versions of Windows?  It's really sounding desperate out there.

Win-E has been around since XP and Win-X since 7, I believe.



I must admit I didn't start looking into uses for the Win key until I learned about Win X :-)
 
2014-02-10 12:44:00 PM

Supadope: 95 bad
98 good
ME bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad
9 good?


Just skipping versions 1, 2, 3.1, and 2000 for fun?
 
2014-02-10 12:44:05 PM

MrSteve007: Supadope: 95 bad
98 good
ME bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad
9 good?
I don't know why people keep saying this?

For YEARS Windows XP was complete and absolute crap and people weren't going to move away from Windows 2000 (which you left out). Until SP2, and even a bit in SP3, XP was one of the worst offenders for crashes and bluescreens on the planet. It seemed like if you did anything to the video card drivers, you'd bluescreen that operating system. I remember the pain of having to deal with Bluetooth drivers and having to use 3rd party controls to get devices to work properly. And god help you if you wanted to search & index the operating system and a large external media drive. In XP, it's like working with a snail.

 It seems like people love to look at that Fisher Price operating system with rose colored glasses.


Win 2000 was a NT platform, not really a home-user OS. And yes, XP was rock-solid. The main reason I was a late Vista adopter, was because XP was still rocking along.

Windows 8 is not a bad OS, MS simply erred in the hamfisted way the forced the the Metro (now Modern) UI on traditional desktop users. Win 8 should have featured a first-run wizard that gave users some choice in how they wanted to setup and use their new system.
 
2014-02-10 12:45:36 PM

Pick: Ubuntu. Done.


As soon as I can get reliable support for my Steam library, I truly will be done with Windows.

I can do everything else with tools supported by Ubuntu.
 
2014-02-10 12:45:57 PM

dj_spanmaster: Supadope: 95 bad
98 good
ME bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad
9 good?

Just skipping versions 1, 2, 3.1, and 2000 for fun?


And
img.fark.net
?
 
2014-02-10 12:46:38 PM

TheDirtyNacho: HindiDiscoMonster: IRQ12: Just look how popular 'pinning' is!  (ohh yea 90% of it's use is people accidentally using it)

I understand the business and branding sense having a single platform for all devices but they really screwed the pooch by forcing it instead of easing people into it by having the metro design be default but having the ability to go back to a mostly 7 layout.

The constant need to (seemingly) bury administrative tools is maddening.

you can pin those too. :-P


Actually admin tools are easier than ever to get to... just hit window+x key.  I use it multiple times daily.  Want explorer?  Window+E


Well you'll be happy to know that in windows 9 Win+X opens media player and plays shake your love by debbie gibson.  Admin tools you will need to press Win+~@---^^^, and put your left foot in.  Why?  Because.....
 
2014-02-10 12:47:58 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Far Cough: Can we PLEASE call a moratorium on touting "Windows 8 features" that existed in OLD OLD versions of Windows? It's really sounding desperate out there.Win-E has been around since XP and Win-X since 7, I believe.

yes it does... so why be desperate about something you have no intention of using?


Uh, what?  I'm not sure what you're saying, but I have to help people using the predominant versions of Windows all the time.  It's what many IT people do.  And buying new PCs with Win7 has become increasingly difficult, though not impossible.

I was calling out the fact that most of these keyboard shortcuts, sometimes touted as the saving grace of the otherwise unusable Win8 interface(s), existed long before Win8.
 
2014-02-10 12:48:17 PM
Windows 8 is a great OS the same way the Pontiac Aztek was a great car. Under the hood it's stellar.
 
2014-02-10 12:48:31 PM

Pangea: Pick: Ubuntu. Done.

As soon as I can get reliable support for my Steam library, I truly will be done with Windows.

I can do everything else with tools supported by Ubuntu.


Linux is great, kind of, sort of. But not really.

/seriously - Linux' biggest problem is all of the choices it offers and it'shiat-or-miss peripheral support.
 
2014-02-10 12:49:40 PM

Egoy3k: Then again who bothers witheither? Just hit the windows key and type the first three letters of the name of what you want.


What if you use a proper keyboard....? (ie. Model M)
 
2014-02-10 12:50:11 PM

nekom: My long standing "every other version" policy has never failed me.  XP was great.  7 is fantastic!  8 can go to hell.  Can't wait for the next one.


That is the same model I follow.
 
2014-02-10 12:53:37 PM

IRQ12: TheDirtyNacho: HindiDiscoMonster: IRQ12: Just look how popular 'pinning' is!  (ohh yea 90% of it's use is people accidentally using it)

I understand the business and branding sense having a single platform for all devices but they really screwed the pooch by forcing it instead of easing people into it by having the metro design be default but having the ability to go back to a mostly 7 layout.

The constant need to (seemingly) bury administrative tools is maddening.

you can pin those too. :-P


Actually admin tools are easier than ever to get to... just hit window+x key.  I use it multiple times daily.  Want explorer?  Window+E

Well you'll be happy to know that in windows 9 Win+X opens media player and plays shake your love by debbie gibson.  Admin tools you will need to press Win+~@---^^^, and put your left foot in.  Why?  Because.....


I think you should have went with an xbox controller cheat combo... would have been funnier...

Something like: left,left,A,up,up,up,X
 
2014-02-10 12:55:44 PM

LineNoise: The problem with 8 (and even 8.1) is that people continued to use it like they did the previous versions. Instead of taking advantage of the new features, they tried to shoehorn in their method of doing things like they did in previous versions.


Because in the business world when you're a corporation that employs more than 50 people who use PCs every day as an integral part of their productivity you cannot afford anything that will cause massive disruptions to people's workflow. You've probably at some point had an efficiency expert streamline your processes or simply through experience developed an efficient pipeline that maximizes productivity. Upgrades are an inevitable part as newer versions of software and hardware no longer support or fully function on older operating systems. Computers break down and need to be replaced.

The learning curve moving from a Windows XP environment (which is what most of the business world runs on) to a Windows 7 environment is minimal. The changes are minor and for the most part intuitive so most of your staff will be able to function business as usual which means no loss of production which means no loss of revenue.

Jumping from Windows XP to Windows 8 is like running headlong into a brick wall. It's painful and disorienting.

Users should not have to "shoe horn" their productivity pipelines into their new operating system. The new operating system should accept their already established and optimized work flow and augment it with new features and functionality as seamlessly as possible.

Windows 8 does not do that.

It's one thing for some tinkerer at home who never uses his computer for more than playing games, e-mail, and surfing the web to peck and hunt at the new operating system until they're able to figure it out. It doesn't matter if for a few weeks or even months he has to remind himself "oh yeah, that's not the way things work any more, DOY!"

But that sort of shirt won't fly in the workplace.
 
2014-02-10 12:55:55 PM

Far Cough: HindiDiscoMonster: IRQ12: Just look how popular 'pinning' is!  (ohh yea 90% of it's use is people accidentally using it)

I understand the business and branding sense having a single platform for all devices but they really screwed the pooch by forcing it instead of easing people into it by having the metro design be default but having the ability to go back to a mostly 7 layout.

The constant need to (seemingly) bury administrative tools is maddening.

you can pin those too. :-P

He meant that they keep on hiding them further and differently in each version of Windows.


There is an option for that:

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-10 12:55:55 PM

Far Cough: HindiDiscoMonster: Far Cough: Can we PLEASE call a moratorium on touting "Windows 8 features" that existed in OLD OLD versions of Windows? It's really sounding desperate out there.Win-E has been around since XP and Win-X since 7, I believe.

yes it does... so why be desperate about something you have no intention of using?

Uh, what?  I'm not sure what you're saying, but I have to help people using the predominant versions of Windows all the time.  It's what many IT people do.  And buying new PCs with Win7 has become increasingly difficult, though not impossible.

I was calling out the fact that most of these keyboard shortcuts, sometimes touted as the saving grace of the otherwise unusable Win8 interface(s), existed long before Win8.


you just sound generally butthurt when people like 8 or list features that people (re)discovered in 8... If you had read my post about my experience with 8 you would realize I am an IT person.
 
2014-02-10 12:58:21 PM

Ghastly: LineNoise: The problem with 8 (and even 8.1) is that people continued to use it like they did the previous versions. Instead of taking advantage of the new features, they tried to shoehorn in their method of doing things like they did in previous versions.

Because in the business world when you're a corporation that employs more than 50 people who use PCs every day as an integral part of their productivity you cannot afford anything that will cause massive disruptions to people's workflow. You've probably at some point had an efficiency expert streamline your processes or simply through experience developed an efficient pipeline that maximizes productivity. Upgrades are an inevitable part as newer versions of software and hardware no longer support or fully function on older operating systems. Computers break down and need to be replaced.

The learning curve moving from a Windows XP environment (which is what most of the business world runs on) to a Windows 7 environment is minimal. The changes are minor and for the most part intuitive so most of your staff will be able to function business as usual which means no loss of production which means no loss of revenue.

Jumping from Windows XP to Windows 8 is like running headlong into a brick wall. It's painful and disorienting.

Users should not have to "shoe horn" their productivity pipelines into their new operating system. The new operating system should accept their already established and optimized work flow and augment it with new features and functionality as seamlessly as possible.

Windows 8 does not do that.

It's one thing for some tinkerer at home who never uses his computer for more than playing games, e-mail, and surfing the web to peck and hunt at the new operating system until they're able to figure it out. It doesn't matter if for a few weeks or even months he has to remind himself "oh yeah, that's not the way things work any more, DOY!"

But that sort of shirt won't fly in the workplace.


I agree with you. Windows 8 is not suitable for a cookie cutter environment. People are far too used to using the classic Windows interface.
 
2014-02-10 12:58:22 PM

DanZero: SurfaceTension: xanadian: If my OS starts screaming "FIREFOX BAD," I'm downgrading.

I bought a new laptop over the weekend with Windows 8, and had zero problems installing Firefox (along with add-ons: xmarks, ad block plus, no script, and flash block)

This.

New desktop with 8.1, it automatically booted to the desktop, installed Firefox and all my other programs and even a few games that run much smoother and faster now. I can right click on the Start button to get to anywhere I need to be, and it feels a lot more faster and stable than Vista was (I know, going from bad to worse in some people's eyes).

Not too much hate on 8.


Same here on 8.1. A well-equipped but by no means new Dell Precision M600 boots noticeably faster and is rock-steady stable under it.

Firefox still wants to eat all the RAM it can find. Eventually, I close it and open it again if I've had a lot of tabs open, but I can't blame Windoze for that.
 
2014-02-10 01:03:39 PM
8.0/8.1 has more spag-code on top of 7. Why have more spag-code? Clean & tweak 7.0 and you're good to go.
 
2014-02-10 01:04:21 PM

dj_spanmaster: dj_spanmaster: Supadope: 95 bad
98 good
ME bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad
9 good?

Just skipping versions 1, 2, 3.1, and 2000 for fun?

And
[img.fark.net image 300x400]
?


Very nice reference, grammatically.

Though of course it wasn't an OS per se.

/Win 3.0
/Win98SE
/Windows for Workgroups (various versions)
/Windows for Alpha
/NT 3, 3.51, 4, etc.

It's all the same codebase since forever at this point, not unlike Unix/Linux/BSD/OSX.
 
2014-02-10 01:09:01 PM

MrSteve007: For YEARS Windows XP was complete and absolute crap and people weren't going to move away from Windows 2000 (which you left out). Until SP2, and even a bit in SP3, XP was one of the worst offenders for crashes and bluescreens on the planet. It seemed like if you did anything to the video card drivers, you'd bluescreen that operating system. I remember the pain of having to deal with Bluetooth drivers and having to use 3rd party controls to get devices to work properly. And god help you if you wanted to search & index the operating system and a large external media drive. In XP, it's like working with a snail.


Once they got to XPsp3 - it was one of the most stable OS's Microsoft has ever released.  And if they continued with incremental improvements instead of these bing bang releases - Microsoft wouldn't of found itself in the shiatstorm its presently in.
 
2014-02-10 01:09:18 PM

dj_spanmaster: Supadope: 95 bad
98 good
ME bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad
9 good?

Just skipping versions 1, 2, 3.1, and 2000 for fun?


2000 was more server oriented, it's the NT equivalent of ME, except it actually works.
1 and 2 barely count as functional, and 3.1 only counts if you count 8.1 as well.
 
2014-02-10 01:10:20 PM
I'm on 8.1 and was on 8 when it launched. It's noticeably faster than 7 was. I have no problem with Metro (though I'm usually in desktop mode) because I have most of my favorite programs pinned to the Taskbar, and other shortcuts on my desktop. If I need something I don't have in the desktop area, I hit the Windows key, type the name, and press enter. Boom, it starts.

I really don't get all the whining about Windows 8. It's fine.
 
2014-02-10 01:10:29 PM
Funny thing; even with all the negative backlash that Win 8 has gotten, it's still better than Linux.
 
2014-02-10 01:15:21 PM

Egoy3k: Then again who bothers witheither? Just hit the windows key and type the first three letters of the name of what you want.


Yeah this.  Even on my Windows 7 rig I have never scrolled through all the Start menu.  If you dont' know the name of the app you want to use you probably don't need it.  Pin the important stuff to the bottom and be done with it.  I was at a conference and I looked at this guys Macbook and I kid you not he had about a 100 items pinned at the bottom.  I was right behind him and I could not make out what the icons were they were soo small.
 
2014-02-10 01:19:25 PM

Carn: LineNoise: Carn: Win+r mstsc.  I think it still has the old run, need to verify on other machine.

Oh, yea, I know, like I said there are plenty of ways of doing it, but they defeat the point of the whole new UI when you want the default behavior of an app to work differently than it does out of the box (even when its an app that would make sense to default a different way).

I think they will get it right with some polish, but the point is in here. It isn't that the windows 8 UI is bad. Most of the examples people tout out are outright wrong, or, like me, they just need to spend 5 minutes to figure out how you do something the new way vs how it worked in 7, and people don't want to do that.

If you are someone who runs office, a browser, and a couple of games, the start menu is fine for you, and I get that. But if you suddenly have a brazillion apps on your desktop, which is what happens when you introduce the app store and the like, it starts getting to be a clunky way of organizing stuff. Tiles and a robust search make sense. They just need to figure out a middle ground of sorts

Yeah I'm with you, on my home machine I can avoid running widgets thankfully so the couple of times I had to switch between them I was only horribly annoyed for a few seconds.  I run vms at work and always have multiple terminal sessions like you so we'll see how enraged this will make me on a daily basis.  I'm not sure MS will ever get it 100% right.  Win7 was pretty close.  The biggest annoyance when it first came out was how intrusive the User Access Control box was.  Every time you did anything "is this ok is that ok can I rub your back?" which they toned down after the service packs.  Now they tried to help their non-existent mobile share but cocking up the desktop user experience.  You'd think they would have learned this lesson already with all of the major OS failures they've had but whatever.  I guess the safe bet will always be not to get any Microsoft product until sp1, maybe ...


VMS?!??!!!???

I didn't think ANYBODY still had a VAX running.  The last one I knew of was shut down about 5 years ago.
 
2014-02-10 01:20:36 PM

MrSteve007: Supadope: 95 bad
98 good
ME bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad
9 good?
I don't know why people keep saying this?



Fine.

95 bad
98 good
ME bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad
tree pretty
beer foamy
Parker bad *bonk*
 
2014-02-10 01:21:59 PM

Far Cough: dj_spanmaster: dj_spanmaster: Supadope: 95 bad
98 good
ME bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad
9 good?

Just skipping versions 1, 2, 3.1, and 2000 for fun?

And
[img.fark.net image 300x400]
?

Very nice reference, grammatically.

Though of course it wasn't an OS per se.

/Win 3.0
/Win98SE
/Windows for Workgroups (various versions)
/Windows for Alpha
/NT 3, 3.51, 4, etc.

It's all the same codebase since forever at this point, not unlike Unix/Linux/BSD/OSX.


if you want to be hyper technical, then:

for the 9x, and 1 through 3.11 codebase, the OS is: IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS

everything else is an accessory (including any GUIs or COMMAND.COM)

for the NT codebase (from 3.1 to Current Windows versions including XP,Vista,8): NTLDR, NTDETECT, NTOSKRNL

from the loading of HAL.DLL on, these are all accessories, and not the OS itself.

Granted, the OS is useless by itself without some kind of user interface, which is why most people consider COMMAND.COM or the GUI as part of the OS itself... but is not technically correct... just like the Linux kernel is the OS... any interface loaded beyond that point is again, an accessory.
 
2014-02-10 01:22:56 PM

Holly_Wight: I'm on 8.1 and was on 8 when it launched. It's noticeably faster than 7 was. I have no problem with Metro (though I'm usually in desktop mode) because I have most of my favorite programs pinned to the Taskbar, and other shortcuts on my desktop. If I need something I don't have in the desktop area, I hit the Windows key, type the name, and press enter. Boom, it starts.

I really don't get all the whining about Windows 8. It's fine.


Because it was completely unnecessary.

/Windows 7 boots and runs faster then Windows 8 on my newly built rig
//and it took until Windows 8.1 release for Microsoft for Microsoft to fix some network bugs that were long resolved in Windows 7
 
2014-02-10 01:24:30 PM

gingerjet: Once they got to XPsp3 - it was one of the most stable OS's Microsoft has ever released. And if they continued with incremental improvements instead of these bing bang releases - Microsoft wouldn't of found itself in the shiatstorm its presently in.


That's the thing - they spent eons working on making XP stable. XP launched in October of 2001: that version was a half-baked buggy operating system and stability nightmare. People absolutely hated it. Then it took a year to get SP1 in the fall of 2002 - most people still hated it  It was a stability nightmare. Fast forward another 2 years, to summer 2004 (three years after launch), and SP2 came out. It improved a lot, quieting down many of the complaints but it wasn't perfect.

XP Service Pack 3 came out mid 2008 . . . nearly SEVEN YEARS after the operating system launched. It took them that long to simply make the OS stable (it was still Swiss cheese when it came to security, requiring constant patching of zero-day exploits).

In comparison, in the same timeframe, we've gone through Windows Vista, Win 7, Win 8 and 8.1 in the time it took MS to get XP SP3 out. The development cycle has gone into turbo, with far more features, stability and security baked into each operating systems, while keeping OS footprint and resource needs for nearly a decade. The only complaint people have now is UI changes for wider range of input types, which is kind of sad.
 
2014-02-10 01:24:57 PM

cman: Phil Moskowitz: demaL-demaL-yeH: With the genius at Microsoft who crammed that ribbon in Office down people's throats admitting that the new Windows interface costs days to weeks of productivity, that might not be a safe bet.

When I saw ribbon come out I knew this period of horrible design was coming. Ribbon is "neat looking" but functionally garbage. That outlook took over the entire company. Microsoft is now kinda neat looking useless (and sometimes freshly crippled) garbage.

I was especially impressed when they farked up cleartype in the new Office.

I still hate the ribbon with a passion.

I remember the first time I saw it, I laughed my ass off hard thinking it was some sort of joke. Sadly I was mistaken.


I am also a ribbon-hater. Quick Access Toolbar is my friend. I have added a whole munch of options I use on a regular basis, so I don't have to go rooting through the ribbon options and sub options. Keep with Next,  Bookmark, Wrap Text, Shapes, and Quick Parts are all a part of my Quick Access toolbar. There's also a Quick Access Toolbar for Excel. Unfortunately, it's not an option for SharePoint 2010, and the ribbon there has a level of suck that exceeds anything in the Word or Excel ribbon even without Quick Access.
 
2014-02-10 01:25:19 PM

DarkVader: VMS?!??!!!???

I didn't think ANYBODY still had a VAX running.  The last one I knew of was shut down about 5 years ago.


It's been walled-off.
 
2014-02-10 01:25:51 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Far Cough: HindiDiscoMonster: Far Cough: Can we PLEASE call a moratorium on touting "Windows 8 features" that existed in OLD OLD versions of Windows? It's really sounding desperate out there.Win-E has been around since XP and Win-X since 7, I believe.

yes it does... so why be desperate about something you have no intention of using?

Uh, what?  I'm not sure what you're saying, but I have to help people using the predominant versions of Windows all the time.  It's what many IT people do.  And buying new PCs with Win7 has become increasingly difficult, though not impossible.

I was calling out the fact that most of these keyboard shortcuts, sometimes touted as the saving grace of the otherwise unusable Win8 interface(s), existed long before Win8.

you just sound generally butthurt when people like 8 or list features that people (re)discovered in 8... If you had read my post about my experience with 8 you would realize I am an IT person.


"Butthurt"?  I don't care if you or anyone else likes what I don't like.  What I don't care for is the disingenuousness, intentional or not, of lipsticking a pig by pretending no other pigs ever had curly tails before.

/I don't know what it means either.  I just type what the brain tells me.

Seriously, your own earlier reaction is an example of what I mean -- oh wow, check out the cool Win8 shortcuts.  If anything, ESPECIALLY as an "IT person", I'd think you'd be grateful to know that the shortcuts aren't limited to 8.  Win-M is my favorite, and works on just about everything.
 
2014-02-10 01:29:51 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: DarkVader: VMS?!??!!!???

I didn't think ANYBODY still had a VAX running.  The last one I knew of was shut down about 5 years ago.

It's been walled-off.


And a non-legend: VAXen in nuclear power plants.
 
2014-02-10 01:32:04 PM

Far Cough: HindiDiscoMonster: Far Cough: HindiDiscoMonster: Far Cough: Can we PLEASE call a moratorium on touting "Windows 8 features" that existed in OLD OLD versions of Windows? It's really sounding desperate out there.Win-E has been around since XP and Win-X since 7, I believe.

yes it does... so why be desperate about something you have no intention of using?

Uh, what?  I'm not sure what you're saying, but I have to help people using the predominant versions of Windows all the time.  It's what many IT people do.  And buying new PCs with Win7 has become increasingly difficult, though not impossible.

I was calling out the fact that most of these keyboard shortcuts, sometimes touted as the saving grace of the otherwise unusable Win8 interface(s), existed long before Win8.

you just sound generally butthurt when people like 8 or list features that people (re)discovered in 8... If you had read my post about my experience with 8 you would realize I am an IT person.

"Butthurt"?  I don't care if you or anyone else likes what I don't like.  What I don't care for is the disingenuousness, intentional or not, of lipsticking a pig by pretending no other pigs ever had curly tails before.

/I don't know what it means either.  I just type what the brain tells me.

Seriously, your own earlier reaction is an example of what I mean -- oh wow, check out the cool Win8 shortcuts.  If anything, ESPECIALLY as an "IT person", I'd think you'd be grateful to know that the shortcuts aren't limited to 8.  Win-M is my favorite, and works on just about everything.


see what I mean? take a valium or something.... it's really not that important... It was just an observation not a knife attack.

I dunno what that means either...

the "cool" Windows 8 shortcuts (specifically the Win-X combo) is one I never knew about... so it was cool to me... sorry if that offends you. I am sure there are many shortcuts that are not exclusive to Windows 8 and some that are... don't much care which is which. I figure any time I learn something new to me it's a good day.

/Technically I am a retired IT person now... End Users frustrate me now.
 
2014-02-10 01:32:06 PM
OtherLittleGuy:
Fine.
95 bad
98 good bad
98SE good
2000 good
Bob bad

ME bad
XP good bad
XP SP1 bad; stability
XP SP2 ok; stability, new features
XP SP3 good

Vista bad; stability, UAC, UI changes
Vista SP1 bad; but only for UI changes

7 good; at launch, since it was essentially Vista SP2
8 bad; because people don't like UI changes, even though the OS is rock solid stable, faster, more secure and usable on more device types
8.1; still bad, because people want the old start menu triggered on the lower left start button


Fixed that for you.
 
2014-02-10 01:32:43 PM

DarkVader: Carn: LineNoise: Carn: Win+r mstsc.  I think it still has the old run, need to verify on other machine.

Oh, yea, I know, like I said there are plenty of ways of doing it, but they defeat the point of the whole new UI when you want the default behavior of an app to work differently than it does out of the box (even when its an app that would make sense to default a different way).

I think they will get it right with some polish, but the point is in here. It isn't that the windows 8 UI is bad. Most of the examples people tout out are outright wrong, or, like me, they just need to spend 5 minutes to figure out how you do something the new way vs how it worked in 7, and people don't want to do that.

If you are someone who runs office, a browser, and a couple of games, the start menu is fine for you, and I get that. But if you suddenly have a brazillion apps on your desktop, which is what happens when you introduce the app store and the like, it starts getting to be a clunky way of organizing stuff. Tiles and a robust search make sense. They just need to figure out a middle ground of sorts

Yeah I'm with you, on my home machine I can avoid running widgets thankfully so the couple of times I had to switch between them I was only horribly annoyed for a few seconds.  I run vms at work and always have multiple terminal sessions like you so we'll see how enraged this will make me on a daily basis.  I'm not sure MS will ever get it 100% right.  Win7 was pretty close.  The biggest annoyance when it first came out was how intrusive the User Access Control box was.  Every time you did anything "is this ok is that ok can I rub your back?" which they toned down after the service packs.  Now they tried to help their non-existent mobile share but cocking up the desktop user experience.  You'd think they would have learned this lesson already with all of the major OS failures they've had but whatever.  I guess the safe bet will always be not to get any Microsoft product until sp1, ...


Sorry that's my lazy abbreviation for virtual machines :D
 
2014-02-10 01:33:37 PM

Egoy3k: DanZero: Not too much hate on 8.

It's your operating system. It will find some way to annoy you eventually.


Why the Windows 8 haters want to have an outdated UI option that nobody should be using anymore anyway is a mystery to me.

The start menu  uses less than 30% of the screen for a task that is pretty much always a quick uni-tasking activity.  You click the menu find what you want in tightly fitted text and small icons open it and the start menudisappears.

Metro is a full screen start menu that displays live data and larger icons that are easily found and clicked on quickly.

Then again who bothers witheither? Just hit the windows key and type the first three letters of the name of what you want.


My opinion: Unless they break down and UPGRADE to the Gnome 2.0 menu system (where the programs are -forced- into the proper section, not haphazardly placed on the menu), I'll wait til they upgrade to the classic 7.0 shell. When you have hundreds of programs, it's a pain to go through a menu system that requires a touchscreen... with a mouse or trackball.
 
2014-02-10 01:33:38 PM
Oh, and I'm sorry, Windoze was NEVER a good operating system.  Hell, it wasn't even an operating system until NT, it was just a MS-DOS overlay before that.  And for most of you, it wasn't even an OS before XP, since you probably had 98 before that, which was really just still an overlay on MS-DOS.

The first release that wasn't a complete steaming pile of dogshiat was 7.  It was still shiat, but it had time to cool down and didn't stink as badly.

Windoze 8 is freshly dropped and steaming again, with a runny diarrhea quality added to it.

At least I don't have to use that turd.  I've been using Macs on the desktop and in the server room since the late '80s, and Apple IIs before that, with some Linux servers quietly crunching away in the racks these days too.
 
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