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(BetaNews)   Windows 8.1 release update called, "A Frankenstein product stitched together with compromises." Considering the press Microsoft usually gets that's like a compliment. You might start seeing that phrase in their ads   (betanews.com) divider line 340
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2014-02-10 09:03:17 AM
Perhaps building a better mousetrap is a lot like painting.
You have to know where to farking stop.
 
2014-02-10 09:10:48 AM
awwgeeznotthisshiatagain.jpg

Also, FTA:There's no classic Start button and menu in Update 1, but that's the only thing that's really missing from the next big update. When the OS runs it will automatically detect the hardware it's on (something that should have always been the case) and adjust its behavior accordingly. If it's running on a tablet, or a touch enabled PC, Windows 8.1 will boot straight to the Start screen -- unless you set it not to. If, however, it's running on a computer with mouse and keyboard, it will boot straight to the desktop.

In other words, they still don't get it. I have a touch-enabled laptop, and I do not use the touchscreen. I installed Classic Shell and have not looked back.
 
2014-02-10 09:13:50 AM
If my OS starts screaming "FIREFOX BAD," I'm downgrading.
 
2014-02-10 09:22:06 AM
So it's a lot like your marriage, subby.
 
2014-02-10 09:31:09 AM
If, however, it's running on a computer with mouse and keyboard, it will boot straight to the desktop

How innovative!  It's so truly groundbreaking that I can see how it took them several years to figure out that I still have a mouse and keyboard and not a frigging touch screen anywhere in sight..
 
2014-02-10 09:39:26 AM

xanadian: If my OS starts screaming "FIREFOX BAD," I'm downgrading.


I bought a new laptop over the weekend with Windows 8, and had zero problems installing Firefox (along with add-ons: xmarks, ad block plus, no script, and flash block)
 
2014-02-10 09:48:37 AM

SurfaceTension: xanadian: If my OS starts screaming "FIREFOX BAD," I'm downgrading.

I bought a new laptop over the weekend with Windows 8, and had zero problems installing Firefox (along with add-ons: xmarks, ad block plus, no script, and flash block)


This.

New desktop with 8.1, it automatically booted to the desktop, installed Firefox and all my other programs and even a few games that run much smoother and faster now. I can right click on the Start button to get to anywhere I need to be, and it feels a lot more faster and stable than Vista was (I know, going from bad to worse in some people's eyes).

Not too much hate on 8.
 
2014-02-10 10:07:10 AM
Microsoft got the message

Good

Now if we could destroy Unity next...
 
2014-02-10 10:20:48 AM
My long standing "every other version" policy has never failed me.  XP was great.  7 is fantastic!  8 can go to hell.  Can't wait for the next one.
 
2014-02-10 10:47:43 AM
More time has been spent biatching about Windows 8's interface than has been lost in productivity due to the interface.
 
2014-02-10 10:48:18 AM

cman: Now if we could destroy Unity next...


There are like one trillion tech products with that name.  I assume you mean the Linux one?  Not the game engine, or development tool, right?
 
2014-02-10 10:50:20 AM

DanZero: SurfaceTension: xanadian: If my OS starts screaming "FIREFOX BAD," I'm downgrading.

I bought a new laptop over the weekend with Windows 8, and had zero problems installing Firefox (along with add-ons: xmarks, ad block plus, no script, and flash block)

This.

New desktop with 8.1, it automatically booted to the desktop, installed Firefox and all my other programs and even a few games that run much smoother and faster now. I can right click on the Start button to get to anywhere I need to be, and it feels a lot more faster and stable than Vista was (I know, going from bad to worse in some people's eyes).

Not too much hate on 8.


So basically it's as good as XP was?
 
2014-02-10 10:50:23 AM
Ubuntu. Done.
 
2014-02-10 10:51:27 AM

xanadian: FIREFOX BAD


www.codeodor.com
 
2014-02-10 10:51:53 AM
I can see the marketing campaign now.

Windows 8.1: It's ALIVE!!!
 
2014-02-10 10:52:18 AM

King Something: xanadian: FIREFOX BAD

[www.codeodor.com image 475x356]


James Hetfield looks hideous without Photoshop...
 
2014-02-10 10:52:19 AM
My laptop I got this fall came with 8.1 and the first thing I did was disable most of the Metro stuff and turn on classic.  This article writer sounds like a noob.  Don't get me wrong, MS completely whiffed with the concept of "It'll behave the same on all devices, isn't that an awesome idea!?" but the underlying operating system is quite good.  I like the changes to some of the system settings, task manager updates, windows explorer navigation, and so on.  Would I pay to upgrade my desktop from 7 to 8.1?  Hell no, but I would feel totally confident recommending 8.1 over 7 for people for a new system, assuming cost is the same.
 
2014-02-10 10:53:06 AM

xanadian: If my OS starts screaming "FIREFOX BAD," I'm downgrading.


My newest PC has 8.1. FF runs so slowly on it I uninstalled it and now use Chrome. It's apparently a well known glitch/feature. There's probably a fix for it but I'm not that guy. PC's are for using, not farking around with. I take the path of least resistance.
 
2014-02-10 10:53:15 AM

ikanreed: cman: Now if we could destroy Unity next...

There are like one trillion tech products with that name.  I assume you mean the Linux one?  Not the game engine, or development tool, right?


I'm guessing so, Unity the game engine is pretty spiffy.  Unity the Metro of Linux UIs is certainly not, in fact among my circle of co-workers and friends its the single driving force that's making us migrate away from Ubuntu since they seem to have locked their jaws onto that and several other unwanted features.
 
2014-02-10 10:55:46 AM

xanadian: If my OS starts screaming "FIREFOX BAD," I'm downgrading.


www.thecampuscompanion.com
 
2014-02-10 10:55:46 AM
Meh, I'll wait for 9.0 .
 
2014-02-10 10:57:24 AM

DanZero: Not too much hate on 8.


It's your operating system. It will find some way to annoy you eventually.


Why the Windows 8 haters want to have an outdated UI option that nobody should be using anymore anyway is a mystery to me.

The start menu  uses less than 30% of the screen for a task that is pretty much always a quick uni-tasking activity.  You click the menu find what you want in tightly fitted text and small icons open it and the start menudisappears.

Metro is a full screen start menu that displays live data and larger icons that are easily found and clicked on quickly.

Then again who bothers with
either? Just hit the windows key and type the first three letters of the name of what you want.
 
2014-02-10 10:57:30 AM

BumpInTheNight: ikanreed: cman: Now if we could destroy Unity next...

There are like one trillion tech products with that name.  I assume you mean the Linux one?  Not the game engine, or development tool, right?

I'm guessing so, Unity the game engine is pretty spiffy.  Unity the Metro of Linux UIs is certainly not, in fact among my circle of co-workers and friends its the single driving force that's making us migrate away from Ubuntu since they seem to have locked their jaws onto that and several other unwanted features.


I was a huge Ubuntu fan until the first iteration of Unity.

I moved to Linux Mint (The Debian Edition XFCE spin, since discontinued alas), and have not looked back.
 
2014-02-10 10:58:26 AM
Ever since my Technet subscription got canned I find that I'm migrating away from Windows products.

Especially at work.
 
2014-02-10 10:58:40 AM
Metro is great for Xbox and tablets, problem is only 7 people have a MS tablet.
 
2014-02-10 10:59:13 AM

nekom: My long standing "every other version" policy has never failed me.  XP was great.  7 is fantastic!  8 can go to hell.  Can't wait for the next one.


And never upgrade before the second service pack.
 
2014-02-10 10:59:15 AM

Egoy3k: DanZero: Not too much hate on 8.

It's your operating system. It will find some way to annoy you eventually.


Why the Windows 8 haters want to have an outdated UI option that nobody should be using anymore anyway is a mystery to me.

The start menu  uses less than 30% of the screen for a task that is pretty much always a quick uni-tasking activity.  You click the menu find what you want in tightly fitted text and small icons open it and the start menudisappears.

Metro is a full screen start menu that displays live data and larger icons that are easily found and clicked on quickly.

Then again who bothers witheither? Just hit the windows key and type the first three letters of the name of what you want.


Cool. Yet again, I have learned something on Fark.
 
2014-02-10 10:59:44 AM
Still better than flagellating myself with the corpse of Steve Jobs while shackled to an iTunes account.
 
2014-02-10 11:00:05 AM
8.1 is better than 8.0.  I'm still annoyed as hell at the lack of the old solitaire. (I'm old, deal with it.)

I don't particularly like how you can't control the individual permissions on all of the crappy apps that "require" the internet.  It's seriously intrusive. Thanks Microsoft, everyone likes universal tracking.

Usage wise, it's like having a second desktop that works incorrectly, where you can't quickly click between certain applications.
 
2014-02-10 11:00:15 AM
So this will be another thread where people will come in and tell everyone how if you don't like the Metro UI, you're a dinosaur who deserves to be put down?  Oh good...we haven't had one of those in at least a day and a half.

I actually enjoy the Metro UI on my Surface Pro (purchased at a crazy low price because no one is buying them).  On my desktop PC, not so much.  This update sounds like it...well...almost does what Classic Shell does already for me.  I'm guessing the people who run Microsoft these days are so far removed from every day work and computing that they have no friggin' clue what the average user does.  It's like they watched a few kids playing with an iPad at Starbucks and said, "My god, that's what EVERYONE who uses a computer wants now!"  Uh, no.  It's not. Especially not the business computing community, which is vastly larger than the entertainment computing market.
 
2014-02-10 11:01:08 AM

Carn: Hell no, but I would feel totally confident recommending 8.1 over 7 for people for a new system, assuming cost is the same.


I went the exact opposite way with this.  I have yet to recommend 8 to anyone.

Take for example one of my customers - he's a smart guy who is a Financial Adviser.  He makes money when he's working with clients.   He does not make money when he's learning how to deal with Metro in Win 8 - so when his laptop died we got him a new Dell with Win 7 - that was like two weeks ago.

The learning curve from XP to 7 is negligible.  From 7 > 8 is just hard enough that people like DO NOT WANT to do it, period.  They are smart and capable, but they are also focused elsewhere.
 
2014-02-10 11:01:29 AM

cman: Microsoft got the message

Good

Now if we could destroy Unity next...


Heh, Unity has conditioned me to be able to swallow Windows 8.1.  [windows key] -> [type name of program] -> [enter] is the only way to use either OS effectively, other than just pinning everything you'd ever use to your taskbar.
 
2014-02-10 11:02:22 AM
The whole "tiles" thing is wonderful for smaller screens, tablets, phones and the like. But dear god, will someone please get them a UI team for the desktop?

\I bet they have a team and just don't listen to the recommendations
 
2014-02-10 11:02:48 AM

Carn: My laptop I got this fall came with 8.1 and the first thing I did was disable most of the Metro stuff and turn on classic.  This article writer sounds like a noob.  Don't get me wrong, MS completely whiffed with the concept of "It'll behave the same on all devices, isn't that an awesome idea!?" but the underlying operating system is quite good.  I like the changes to some of the system settings, task manager updates, windows explorer navigation, and so on.  Would I pay to upgrade my desktop from 7 to 8.1?  Hell no, but I would feel totally confident recommending 8.1 over 7 for people for a new system, assuming cost is the same.


Whatever for?  What makes you say "the underlying operating system is quite good" -- how is that perceptible to you in ordinary use, over and above the underlying goodness that's the same as Vista and 7?  (Oh sorry, on second reading, you say you like where they hid the system settings this time.  Not a dig, it's just something they seem to re-hide with every version of Windows.)

It's funny the headline comes from someone who then says "I'm now a fan".  This is the kind of damning faint praise that's a MS hallmark at this point.

I just want to know if the stupid hot corners are on by default or not.  They are the most aggravating thing, even after installing ClassicShell.

The time spent lost in trying to get non-Metro versions of things like Skype to co-exist and NOT confuse the crap out of the ordinary user is time I think I'd rather spend fighting malware or something.  From the sounds of it, this new kludge still don't hunt.
 
2014-02-10 11:02:54 AM
I'm still running MicroSoft BOB
 
2014-02-10 11:03:47 AM

Sharksfan: Carn: Hell no, but I would feel totally confident recommending 8.1 over 7 for people for a new system, assuming cost is the same.

I went the exact opposite way with this.  I have yet to recommend 8 to anyone.

Take for example one of my customers - he's a smart guy who is a Financial Adviser.  He makes money when he's working with clients.   He does not make money when he's learning how to deal with Metro in Win 8 - so when his laptop died we got him a new Dell with Win 7 - that was like two weeks ago.

The learning curve from XP to 7 is negligible.  From 7 > 8 is just hard enough that people like DO NOT WANT to do it, period.  They are smart and capable, but they are also focused elsewhere.


That, and the biggest problem is that it's needlessly difficult.  If there were a justifiable reason, that's one thing, but this looks like it's so they can sell more ad space.
 
2014-02-10 11:04:00 AM
Metro is so hateful because it swaps out the whole desktop with a bunch of kid friendly giant tiles. In the ensuing brain fart you forget why you clicked on the button in the first place. That's what pisses people off even if they don't realize it.

If clicking the button launched a mini metro which slid in from the side and functioned almost analogously with the old start menu, then Windows 8.x wouldn't receive anything like the same amount of hate.

Other improvements would include being able to zoom tiles in or out to suit the screen size, multiple selection / rubber banding, properly tile groups (i.e. a tile can hold a group of tiles rather than that bizarro spacing abomination which exists right now), and general polish which acknowledges people don't always like mashing the screen with their fat fingers when they have a mouse and keyboard.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-02-10 11:04:15 AM
www.extremetech.com
 
2014-02-10 11:04:17 AM
Windows 8 is an epic failure. I tried it, hated it and so downloaded Windows 7, which I run on my Mac through Parallels, in MacView mode. Windows apps are run as if native Mac applications and even look like Mac Apps, with Apple style menus, widgets, buttons, etc.

For those of you who want to use 8 but want the older Windows look and feel, simply download Classic Shell and install it. This fantastic little app allows you to choose fro a number of previous Windows desktop styles.
 
2014-02-10 11:06:53 AM

d23: [www.extremetech.com image 348x196]


I need to install SteamOS on my other partition sometime.
 
2014-02-10 11:07:38 AM

InterruptingQuirk: Still better than flagellating myself with the corpse of Steve Jobs while shackled to an iTunes account.


OH SO VERY MUCH THIS
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-02-10 11:08:13 AM

BumpInTheNight: I'm guessing so, Unity the game engine is pretty spiffy. Unity the Metro of Linux UIs is certainly not, in fact among my circle of co-workers and friends its the single driving force that's making us migrate away from Ubuntu since they seem to have locked their jaws onto that and several other unwanted features.


I am building a Linux Terminal Server and I installed Ubuntu 13.10 last night.  It's got all the bloat and more of any Microsoft release.  It's too bad too as Ubuntu started off so promising.  I moved to an lubuntu for my terminal server, and I started using Mint for my laptop last year.  Ubuntu has the nicest repositories and available no-hassle software, and Mint takes that advantages and puts a non-stupid desktop on top of it.

//fark microsoft.  Never looking back to that.
 
2014-02-10 11:09:30 AM
95 bad
98 good
ME bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad
9 good?
 
2014-02-10 11:10:01 AM
they should brand the update as:

Windows 8.11 for Workgroups
 
2014-02-10 11:10:06 AM

SurfaceTension: xanadian: If my OS starts screaming "FIREFOX BAD," I'm downgrading.

I bought a new laptop over the weekend with Windows 8, and had zero problems installing Firefox (along with add-ons: xmarks, ad block plus, no script, and flash block)


Joke
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You

Please do a youtube search for "phil hartman frankenstein monster" - You'll be glad you did.

RIP, Phil.
 
2014-02-10 11:12:05 AM
The solution is stupidly simple. Re-release Windows 7 and apologize for Windows 8. It is a stinking rotten lemon.
 
2014-02-10 11:13:11 AM
Most of our family gatherings fit that description. I could not imagine suffering through those things without alcohol.
 
2014-02-10 11:13:39 AM
My home desktop computer has Windows 8 (my old one took a dump and I was too lazy to build one from scratch and got a good deal on a floor sample).  It works fine for what I use it for-running games from Steam and surfing the web.  I can tell it would be horrible if I needed it for anything else, though.
 
2014-02-10 11:14:20 AM

d23: I am building a Linux Terminal Server and I installed Ubuntu 13.10 last night. It's got all the bloat and more of any Microsoft release. It's too bad too as Ubuntu started off so promising. I moved to an lubuntu for my terminal server, and I started using Mint for my laptop last year. Ubuntu has the nicest repositories and available no-hassle software, and Mint takes that advantages and puts a non-stupid desktop on top of it.


I've been messing with SuSe VM's lately and I'm been liking the builds.  I just do really have a need to use it unfortunately yet.
 
2014-02-10 11:16:12 AM
The whole "one experience for everything in your life" is straight out of some creepy dystopia.

It also sounds like something a few design people got erections over.
 
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