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2014-02-10 09:11:11 AM  
A Michelle Malkin fluff piece, and a retrospective on the Carter Administration?

Is this what flailing for relevancy looks like?
 
2014-02-10 09:15:28 AM  
Better than the 1972 Olympics -- talk to the guys who would have completed.
 
2014-02-10 09:15:40 AM  
I do not remember the 80 boycott so well.   I do remember well the 84 boycott and how it nearly folded Crusty Burger.
 
2014-02-10 09:23:04 AM  
If you're upset over the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, then hurl your god damn missiles at them. Don't screw over the lives of hundreds of athletes who have spent all their waking energy training thousands of hours for one shot at glory, and have absolutely nothing to do with your ideological dick wagging contest.

But on the other hand, if not for the 80 boycott, we wouldn't have the 84 Warsaw Pact boycott of the Games in LA. With no commies around to go "tut tut tut" at Capitalism, that opened the way for it to become the official Coca-Cola Games, thus embarking on a radical shift from amateur to professional and from non-profit to commercial, thus giving us the ostentatious spectacle we all love today.

I mean, that was probably going to happen anyway, but it was '84 that really took the Games corporate.
 
2014-02-10 09:24:29 AM  
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I loved the 1980 Olympics... loads medals for Team GB that would otherwise probably gone to the US. Also best mascot ever.
 
2014-02-10 09:26:11 AM  
Oh pedobear, how you've grown...
 
2014-02-10 09:26:56 AM  
Yeah, he was pretty much boxed out and showing early signs of boxer Parkinson's by this point. Of course he was tired and confused.
 
2014-02-10 09:28:43 AM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Summer_Olympics_boycott

65 countries boycotted, including Japan, China, and West Germany.  Most of the European attendees marched under the Olympic flag instead of their own national flag to show that their nations do not support the Games.  Does TFA mention any of this?

Also:  The Soviets would stay in Afghanistan for another decade, ravaging the countryside and leaving behind a radicalized and desperate population-a disastrous and costly war that sowed the seeds of their own downfall. Ironically, if only they'd accepted Carter's toothless ultimatum, they might have lasted a lot longer.

Yes, and maybe Afghanistan wouldn't be a lawless shiathole that spawns terrorists and gangsters.
 
2014-02-10 09:30:11 AM  
Seems like I'm only recalling the Miricle on Ice...US victory over Soviet Union in hockey
 
2014-02-10 09:34:12 AM  

ristst: Seems like I'm only recalling the Miricle on Ice...US victory over Soviet Union in hockey


Not to mention Hulk Hogan defeating Nikolai Volkoff. THAT was what won the cold war. When the atomic leg drop fell on the Ukrainian, it was all over. Hulkamania single-handedly restored American pride.
 
2014-02-10 09:45:12 AM  

machoprogrammer: ristst: Seems like I'm only recalling the Miricle on Ice...US victory over Soviet Union in hockey

Not to mention Hulk Hogan defeating Nikolai Volkoff. THAT was what won the cold war. When the atomic leg drop fell on the Ukrainian, it was all over. Hulkamania single-handedly restored American pride.


I thought it was when Rocky Balboa went to Moscow and showed the Russkies that EVERYBODY CAN CHANGE!
 
2014-02-10 09:49:04 AM  

Arkanaut: Also: The Soviets would stay in Afghanistan for another decade, ravaging the countryside and leaving behind a radicalized and desperate population-a disastrous and costly war that sowed the seeds of their own downfall. Ironically, if only they'd accepted Carter's toothless ultimatum, they might have lasted a lot longer.


Interesting to see the United States repeat that same mistake.
 
2014-02-10 09:57:51 AM  
I know an Olympian from the 1980 team.  She's still kinda pissed about it.
 
2014-02-10 10:01:31 AM  

machoprogrammer: ristst: Seems like I'm only recalling the Miricle on Ice...US victory over Soviet Union in hockey

Not to mention Hulk Hogan defeating Nikolai Volkoff. THAT was what won the cold war. When the atomic leg drop fell on the Ukrainian, it was all over. Hulkamania single-handedly restored American pride.


You are both forgetting the time when Rocky punched communism in the face.
 
2014-02-10 10:01:55 AM  
Haha...!  I remember that.  I always kinda got a chuckle out of the fact that a good number of the "Russian" wrestlers were actually Canadian.

At least NV is from Croatia, which is a bit closer to Russia than Cananda...
 
2014-02-10 10:04:39 AM  
The 1980 boycott begot the 1984 boycott which gave us the greatest games ever.  I was a poor college student and had to walk by a McDonald's going to and coming from classes.  Back then you could just walk up to the counter and ask for a game piece and with the US winning events that the Soviets usually won I ate free for two weeks.
 
2014-02-10 10:08:19 AM  

Nine Hundred and Eight: machoprogrammer: ristst: Seems like I'm only recalling the Miricle on Ice...US victory over Soviet Union in hockey

Not to mention Hulk Hogan defeating Nikolai Volkoff. THAT was what won the cold war. When the atomic leg drop fell on the Ukrainian, it was all over. Hulkamania single-handedly restored American pride.

You are both forgetting the time when Rocky punched communism in the face.


Let's not forget one man army John Rambo winning the Vietnam war single-handedly and rescuing the gallant people of Afghanistan.
 
2014-02-10 10:09:39 AM  
Everyone should be boycotting all the Olympics, because they have become nothing more than a big, money gobbling, corporatist scam.  Forcing the athletes to remain amateurs while the sponsors make truckloads of cash off the games?  Sounds a lot like the problems with college football here (which generally qualify as a "scam").  Requiring outright bribery of the IOC to be able to hold the games?  Sounds like a scam.  Pouring billions into facilities that will never be used again?  Scam--Russia has spent at least 51 billion on these games, think they're really going to make all that back in tourism?

"Oh sure, we have no money to invest in infrastructure or public services, but we have somehow found piles of money to spend on new stadiums and hotels!  You, local people, could even enjoy these places, if you could afford to go (and by the way, we're cutting local services and raising taxes to fund these projects)."  There's still a ton of unrest in Rio for this very reason--money for new stadium for all the shiny sporting events, but they need to raise bus fare.

The Olympics might have once stood for something great or good, but now they're just a corporate spectacle money dump.
 
2014-02-10 10:13:50 AM  

ckccfa: The Olympics might have once stood for something great or good, but now they're just a corporate spectacle money dump.


I got to thinking this weekend, how the fark did the IOC not ever get any sort of negative attention for agreeing to host an Olympics in Nazi Germany in the first place?
 
2014-02-10 10:18:34 AM  

ckccfa: Everyone should be boycotting all the Olympics, because they have become nothing more than a big, money gobbling, corporatist scam.  Forcing the athletes to remain amateurs while the sponsors make truckloads of cash off the games?


Huh?  The NHL had to shut down mid-season because half their players are on various national teams, including Team Good Old US of A.

The basketball "dream team" is what started the downward Olympic slide.
 
2014-02-10 10:22:20 AM  

ckccfa: "Oh sure, we have no money to invest in infrastructure or public services, but we have somehow found piles of money to spend on new stadiums and hotels


That's not the way funding works. It's not like the money existed at the beginning and then they said "Hmm, we could spend it on infrastructure, but no let's spend it on the Olympics instead". The money didn't exist. Once they got the Games, THEN the money came in, and its all earmarked for Olympics spending. But the important thing to remember is that if they don't get the Games, the money's not coming.

So at the very least it promotes growth and development in a small sector. That's better than none at all.
 
2014-02-10 10:36:16 AM  

Ishkur: ckccfa: "Oh sure, we have no money to invest in infrastructure or public services, but we have somehow found piles of money to spend on new stadiums and hotels

That's not the way funding works. It's not like the money existed at the beginning and then they said "Hmm, we could spend it on infrastructure, but no let's spend it on the Olympics instead". The money didn't exist. Once they got the Games, THEN the money came in, and its all earmarked for Olympics spending. But the important thing to remember is that if they don't get the Games, the money's not coming.

So at the very least it promotes growth and development in a small sector. That's better than none at all.


Right, but listen to what you're really saying: "Oh, there's no way to raise any money for the general, practical, public good, but there is a way to raise money for some sports!"  It's a fundamental problem of social priorities, that's perpetuated as the "normal" and possibly even "right" way of doing things by those who benefit from it.
A country should not be able to raise $51 billion for a single,frivolous event while leaving most of its populaceimpoverished and under-served--if that money is really just floating around out there, there should be a way to leverage into a social good.  Instead, it just gets continually shuffled around within the greedy class.  And we generally accept it as "just the way the world works," but we don't actually have to accept it.  We could, in fact, reject it.
 
2014-02-10 10:43:00 AM  

Great_Milenko: ckccfa: Everyone should be boycotting all the Olympics, because they have become nothing more than a big, money gobbling, corporatist scam.  Forcing the athletes to remain amateurs while the sponsors make truckloads of cash off the games?

Huh?  The NHL had to shut down mid-season because half their players are on various national teams, including Team Good Old US of A.

The basketball "dream team" is what started the downward Olympic slide.


Well, I learned something new today--I didn't know that the IOC had been steadily removing the "amateur only" requirement from the various sports.  I had assumed American pro-athletes had managed to jerry-rig some kind of exemption because USAUSAUSA.  Makes it less of a scam for the athletes specifically, then, but it still continues to be a massive scam for the countries hosting and contributing.
 
2014-02-10 10:45:35 AM  

Saiga410: I do not remember the 80 boycott so well.   I do remember well the 84 boycott and how it nearly folded Crusty Burger.


*Krusty. But I came for this, and leave satisfied.

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2014-02-10 11:35:13 AM  

MinkeyMan: [img.fark.net image 272x412]
I loved the 1980 Olympics... loads medals for Team GB that would otherwise probably gone to the US. Also best mascot ever.


Was Atari the main sponsor?
 
2014-02-10 11:49:36 AM  
Carter had SO MANY BETTER OPTIONS! He chose the absolute worst he could have. Want to make a statement about Afghanistan AT THE OLYMPICS? How about playing the  Afghan national anthem every time the US wins a medal? That idea could have spread to virtually every country in the west and would have made a FAR better statement than Carter's IDIOTIC and counterproductive boycott ever did. I am a life long Democrat but Carter was the second worst president of my lifetime. Only LBJ's Vietnam fiascoes place him ahead of Carter.
 
2014-02-10 12:17:27 PM  

ckccfa: Right, but listen to what you're really saying: "Oh, there's no way to raise any money for the general, practical, public good, but there is a way to raise money for some sports!" It's a fundamental problem of social priorities, that's perpetuated as the "normal" and possibly even "right" way of doing things by those who benefit from it.
A country should not be able to raise $51 billion for a single,frivolous event while leaving most of its populaceimpoverished and under-served--if that money is really just floating around out there, there should be a way to leverage into a social good. Instead, it just gets continually shuffled around within the greedy class. And we generally accept it as "just the way the world works," but we don't actually have to accept it. We could, in fact, reject it.



That's right. But that's not the Olympics fault. That's the fault of the countries and corporations and the greedy rich farks who won't left a finger for the poor or sick or disabled, but they have tons of money to throw at Games and Festivals and things.

Your anger is at the wrong things for the wrong reasons.
 
2014-02-10 12:19:28 PM  

Ishkur: If you're upset over the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, then hurl your god damn missiles at them. Don't screw over the lives of hundreds of athletes who have spent all their waking energy training thousands of hours for one shot at glory, and have absolutely nothing to do with your ideological dick wagging contest.

But on the other hand, if not for the 80 boycott, we wouldn't have the 84 Warsaw Pact boycott of the Games in LA. With no commies around to go "tut tut tut" at Capitalism, that opened the way for it to become the official Coca-Cola Games, thus embarking on a radical shift from amateur to professional and from non-profit to commercial, thus giving us the ostentatious spectacle we all love today.

I mean, that was probably going to happen anyway, but it was '84 that really took the Games corporate.


So, lob a bunch of missiles at random targets near civilians and start a real war instead of have a bunch of amateur athletes regrettably miss one of the more significant events they are involved in?  You're going with that?
 
2014-02-10 12:26:12 PM  

Delawheredad: I am a life long Democrat but Carter was the second worst president of my lifetime.


I know, right! It was disgraceful, the way he didn't drive up the deficit and make up wars against boogeymen to fatten the defense industry's pockets!
 
2014-02-10 12:35:15 PM  

Ishkur: ckccfa: Right, but listen to what you're really saying: "Oh, there's no way to raise any money for the general, practical, public good, but there is a way to raise money for some sports!" It's a fundamental problem of social priorities, that's perpetuated as the "normal" and possibly even "right" way of doing things by those who benefit from it.
A country should not be able to raise $51 billion for a single,frivolous event while leaving most of its populaceimpoverished and under-served--if that money is really just floating around out there, there should be a way to leverage into a social good. Instead, it just gets continually shuffled around within the greedy class. And we generally accept it as "just the way the world works," but we don't actually have to accept it. We could, in fact, reject it.


That's right. But that's not the Olympics fault. That's the fault of the countries and corporations and the greedy rich farks who won't left a finger for the poor or sick or disabled, but they have tons of money to throw at Games and Festivals and things.

Your anger is at the wrong things for the wrong reasons.


What do you mean?  I'm saying that the Olympics has become a wholly owned money machine for corrupt and corporate interests.  That it was purchased as a tool to help continue this kind of priority corruption.  That it is an empty exercise in feel-goodism for the country and athletes that expend time and money to participate precisely because it has been invaded and corrupted by the greedy rich farks.  It serves as a distraction from the grift surrounding it (and that the grift has become its true purpose).

So it's time to opt out.  Maybe start or refocus on some regional sporting events that can be held in locations that already have the infrastructure if sporting events are so important.  We don't have to have this one massive, wasteful event.  There are ways of celebrating human achievement and sport that don't involve massive scams.

Unless and until the IOC is completely reformed, and there's real attention paid to how to affordably hold this kind of event, it remains a massive scam.
 
2014-02-10 12:36:00 PM  

EyeballKid: Delawheredad: I am a life long Democrat but Carter was the second worst president of my lifetime.

I know, right! It was disgraceful, the way he didn't drive up the deficit and make up wars against boogeymen to fatten the defense industry's pockets!


Whatever else he may or may not have done, we can thank Carter for all the delicious beer we enjoy today.
 
2014-02-10 12:36:01 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: So, lob a bunch of missiles at random targets near civilians and start a real war instead of have a bunch of amateur athletes regrettably miss one of the more significant events they are involved in? You're going with that?


Yes. If Afghanistan really bothered us oh so god damn much, man up and throw some missiles already. If not, shut the fark up and work out some UN sanctions or a trade embargo or something. Don't fark with people's lives who had nothing to do with it.

It's like the protestors lying down in traffic to save the whales or some shiat. How is pissing off a bunch of motorists going to help?
 
2014-02-10 12:40:49 PM  

ckccfa: What do you mean? I'm saying that the Olympics has become a wholly owned money machine for corrupt and corporate interests.


When has it ever not been?

Have you just recently noticed this?
 
2014-02-10 12:46:06 PM  

ckccfa: EyeballKid: Delawheredad: I am a life long Democrat but Carter was the second worst president of my lifetime.

I know, right! It was disgraceful, the way he didn't drive up the deficit and make up wars against boogeymen to fatten the defense industry's pockets!

Whatever else he may or may not have done, we can thank Carter for all the delicious beer we enjoy today.


www.vh1.com

We elected the wrong Carter
 
2014-02-10 12:54:02 PM  
The cold war is over, yet people still insist on rewriting history?

The Soviet Union didn't invade Afghanistan, anymore than USA invaded South-Vietnam.
 
2014-02-10 01:32:23 PM  
Eyeball Kid

I am a life long Democrat but Carter was the second worst president of my lifetime.

I know, right! It was disgraceful, the way he didn't drive up the deficit and make up wars against boogeymen to fatten the defense industry's pockets!


  Let's put this in terms you can understand. Carter had complete control of the House and Senate when he was president and got VIRTUALLY NOTHING DONE! Tip O'Neal had nothing but contempt for Carter and obstructed just about anything HIS party's president tried to do. Virtually the SAME congress was willing to work with the nauseating criminal Ronald Reagan! What does that tell you?

 Exhibit ONE of Carter's STUPIDITY he CAUSED the entire Iranian Hostage crisis in the first place! The United States was warned in no uncertain terms by its agents on the ground AND the Iranian protestors that if the U.S. allowed the Shah into America for medical treatment the MOST LIKELY outcome would be a stormed embassy!

  What does Carter do? Does he close our embassy in Iran? NO!
                                      Does he send top shelf medical help and experts to Mexico to treat the ailing Shah of Iran? NO!

  The doofus does the very thing EVERYBODY with half a brain told him NOT to do! He brought the Shah to the U.S. for medical treatment and then had the audacity to act surprised when the very thing EVERYONE ELSE expected to happen happened! STUPID does not even begin to cover it!
 
2014-02-10 02:03:43 PM  

Ishkur: thus embarking on a radical shift from "amateur" to professional

 
2014-02-10 02:05:03 PM  

spawn73: The cold war is over, yet people still insist on rewriting history?

The Soviet Union didn't invade Afghanistan, anymore than USA invaded South-Vietnam.


Shomleh was served?
 
2014-02-10 02:15:04 PM  

LewDux: spawn73: The cold war is over, yet people still insist on rewriting history?

The Soviet Union didn't invade Afghanistan, anymore than USA invaded South-Vietnam.

Shomleh was served?


Dunno, but it sounds good.
 
2014-02-10 02:16:56 PM  
Oh, the irony: The current US Forces Command Chaplain in Afghanistan was a 1980 US Olympian: Chaplain (Colonel) Brent Causey.

/he was my unit's chaplain when I was stationed in Germany.
 
2014-02-10 02:41:24 PM  

ckccfa: Everyone should be boycotting all the Olympics, because they have become nothing more than a big, money gobbling, corporatist scam.   Forcing the athletes to remain amateurs while the sponsors make truckloads of cash off the games?


lolwut?  The Olympics haven't forced athletes to be amateurs in nearly 30 years.  They can take full advantage of earning money from anywhere they can - professional leagues, endorsements, etc.
 
2014-02-10 03:40:11 PM  

Arkanaut: 65 countries boycotted, including Japan, China,


Fascinating.
 
2014-02-10 09:28:48 PM  

EyeballKid: ckccfa: The Olympics might have once stood for something great or good, but now they're just a corporate spectacle money dump.

I got to thinking this weekend, how the fark did the IOC not ever get any sort of negative attention for agreeing to host an Olympics in Nazi Germany in the first place?


Berlin was awarded the 1936 Summer Games when Germany was still under control of the Weimar Republic.  In the summer of 1936, the Nazis were basically viewed as over-dressed jerks, and not genocidal megalomaniacs.
 
2014-02-10 11:18:59 PM  

Sgt Otter: EyeballKid: ckccfa: The Olympics might have once stood for something great or good, but now they're just a corporate spectacle money dump.

I got to thinking this weekend, how the fark did the IOC not ever get any sort of negative attention for agreeing to host an Olympics in Nazi Germany in the first place?

Berlin was awarded the 1936 Summer Games when Germany was still under control of the Weimar Republic.  In the summer of 1936, the Nazis were basically viewed as over-dressed jerks, and not genocidal megalomaniacs.


Not to mention Jesse Owens was treated better in Nazi Germany than he was in his own country, even at his own awards ceremony after winning the medals
 
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