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(Oregon Live)   Vocal minority group: "Trader Joe's shouldn't be built in our community because it will only perpetuate gentrification." Trader Joe's: "Okay, we're not going to spend $8 million your community." Vocal minority group: "errrrr"   (oregonlive.com) divider line 471
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2014-02-10 03:21:23 AM  
Those same people will then biatch and moan about the food desert in their community. I GUARANTEE IT.

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2014-02-10 04:53:57 AM  
They already have a "food desert" in their community.

The city was trying to court Trader Joe's in order to jump start gentrification in that neighborhood, in lieu of encouraging a less-trendy option to move in and help the current community.

Which is worse? A grocery store where no one in the community can afford to buy anything, or no grocery store at all?
 
2014-02-10 07:04:36 AM  

TheCheese: They already have a "food desert" in their community.

The city was trying to court Trader Joe's in order to jump start gentrification in that neighborhood, in lieu of encouraging a less-trendy option to move in and help the current community.

Which is worse? A grocery store where no one in the community can afford to buy anything, or no grocery store at all?


Trader Joe's is pretty affordable. Yes there's some organic foods that cost more but the rest is on par with other grocery stores in the area.
 
2014-02-10 07:59:34 AM  

TheCheese: They already have a "food desert" in their community.

The city was trying to court Trader Joe's in order to jump start gentrification in that neighborhood, in lieu of encouraging a less-trendy option to move in and help the current community.

Which is worse? A grocery store where no one in the community can afford to buy anything, or no grocery store at all?




Trader Joe's is cheaper than the local grocery stores around here- as long as you stay away from the free range organic rack of lamb and speciality cheeses, which I never do.

But for boxed products, frozen food, bulk items it's far cheaper.
 
2014-02-10 08:30:16 AM  
Trader Joe's. We'll take flash-frozen, ultra-processed crap from the cheapest supplier, package it up, wear Hawaiian shirts while we sell it to you, ring a loud bell every now and then, and our customers will become unto us as religious converts.
 
2014-02-10 08:57:02 AM  

TheCheese: Which is worse? A grocery store where no one in the community can afford to buy anything, or no grocery store at all?


Which one brings hipsters?
 
2014-02-10 09:06:34 AM  
Sigh. There comes the neighborhood.
 
2014-02-10 09:08:24 AM  
I think in these poor areas or rural areas the stores don't actually make much money so any little bump in the road and they say fark it. I live in a rural area and there used to be a small grocery store in town and it closed. So a regional chain store was going to open a small grocery store after much courting by the town manger and council, they are all set to really move forward with the project and the county highway/road people come in and says they need another exit to the parking lot to another road so they will have to build a new exit to this existing parking  lot. That was enough for them to say fark it.
 
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2014-02-10 09:39:34 AM  
It opens opportunities for a small business.  I don't think the crying makes much sense.
 
2014-02-10 09:41:38 AM  
Gentrification is a good thing.  Urban renewal is a good thing.
 
2014-02-10 09:42:29 AM  
*in*

/you dropped this, subby
 
2014-02-10 09:43:15 AM  
You want affordable housing? Move out of Portland.
 
2014-02-10 09:45:49 AM  

ikanreed: Gentrification is a good thing.  Urban renewal is a good thing.


Gentrification = higher rents, stronger police presence, etc.
 
2014-02-10 09:45:56 AM  
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2014-02-10 09:48:13 AM  

TheCheese: They already have a "food desert" in their community.

The city was trying to court Trader Joe's in order to jump start gentrification in that neighborhood, in lieu of encouraging a less-trendy option to move in and help the current community.

Which is worse? A grocery store where no one in the community can afford to buy anything, or no grocery store at all?


Most things at my local Trader Joe's are much cheaper (or, at worse, on par with) my major supermarket. The main issue with it is that it is a small test store so it's a biatch to get anything except in the middle of a weekday.
 
2014-02-10 09:48:54 AM  
WTF is wrong with gentrification?
 
2014-02-10 09:51:00 AM  
A few years ago, a large group of people in Charlottesville, VA, got up a campaign to urge Trader Joe's to put in a store at an available location just off the downtown pedestrian mall that is also walking distance from a lot of subsidized and lower-cost housing. The argument was that it would serve both the professionals/students/visitors who work & shop downtown and the residents who had no decent grocery options in walking distance. Trader Joe's smiled & said "sorry but our location decisions are always based on internal analysis" or something to that effect.

Fast-forward to a year ago, when Trader Joe's finally arrived in Cville, on the main auto/retail drag in a huge new mall development, patronized 99.99% by middle/upper-class folks who drove to get there. If they had in fact located off downtown there might not have been tons of working-class people shopping there, but there would definitely have been more than there are at the one they built.
 
2014-02-10 09:51:11 AM  
Hey, Trader Joes, quit farking around with the Tater Tots. They were perfect (yes, Virginia, there are un-season tater tots out there), then they were shiat, then they were better, and the last bag I got was shiat again.

/Somebody's got a case of the Mondays :-(
 
2014-02-10 09:52:20 AM  
Obviously 'jobs' and bettering oneself are not important for the downtrodden, lets increase welfare to the neighbor instead.
 
2014-02-10 09:54:24 AM  
Vocal minority group? The Four Tops?
 
2014-02-10 09:54:41 AM  
Congrats on the victory. Enjoy your vacant lot.
 
2014-02-10 09:55:13 AM  

Reverend Monkeypants: WTF is wrong with gentrification?


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What indeed. =)
 
2014-02-10 09:55:24 AM  

Reverend Monkeypants: WTF is wrong with gentrification?


Poorer minority residents being forced out by suddenly increasing rent prices and cost-of-living. At least that's the argument in theory; I doubt one Trader Joe's will be the seed to completely reinvent a community though.
 
2014-02-10 09:55:29 AM  
Please enlighten someone from back East here, What is Trader Joe's?
 
2014-02-10 09:55:57 AM  

Reverend Monkeypants: WTF is wrong with gentrification?


Gentrification is fine when it is happening in an area that can afford it.  Otherwise it just makes for a lot of expensive, empty buildings used once a year for Halloween costume stores.
 
2014-02-10 09:56:49 AM  

TheCheese: Which is worse? A grocery store where no one in the community can afford to buy anything, or no grocery store at all?


You know how I know you don't shop at Trader Joe's?
 
2014-02-10 09:57:37 AM  

Reverend Monkeypants: WTF is wrong with gentrification?


There are certain people within the African-American culture who see gentrification as "white culture" being imposed upon them, which is stupid for two reasons: 1. It reinforces the concept that African American culture is tied to lower economic status, and helps perpetuate the cycle of poverty in the community, and 2. the corporate fast food place in your community are exactly as African American as Trader Joe's.

I hope more logical people in the African American community fight the stupidity of the others.
 
2014-02-10 09:58:06 AM  
"PAALF's consistent goal has been to bring attention to what it views as the real problem: the development commission's lack of transparency ".

Translation:  The development commission doesn't report to us.

In my neighborhood development projects take years to get approval.  A park was being built next to my housing development, and they had several years of hearings, first at the local level, and at the town council, proposed and then passed a bond referendum to pay for the park, and then held a charette where you could meet with the architects and look over the layout.

When the bulldozers finally started to finally break ground an environmental protection group put up posters complaining they didn't get to make any input on the project.
 
2014-02-10 09:58:10 AM  
What are the odds that the minority group was funded by existing companies wanting to keep Trader Joe's out?

This happened with Walmart in NYC, with some of the opposition funded by Target.
 
2014-02-10 09:58:20 AM  

lizyrd: Congrats on the victory. Enjoy your vacant lot.


It's a two-fold victory:

They prevented gentrification apparently *and* made their presence known. Who doesn't love free press?
 
2014-02-10 09:58:24 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Trader Joe's. We'll take flash-frozen, ultra-processed crap from the cheapest supplier, package it up, wear Hawaiian shirts while we sell it to you, ring a loud bell every now and then, and our customers will become unto us as religious converts.


I can't remember the last time I was particularly impressed with the quality of anything from TJs. Their nachos are usually stale off the shelf, and their attempts at curry are underwhelming at best.

My Chinese mother in law likes their Tofu though. I'm not a Tofu connoisseur though; I just eat it when she makes it.
 
2014-02-10 09:59:02 AM  
What's your next trick?
 
2014-02-10 09:59:17 AM  
Well if they're so worried about gentrification I live in MN and we have about 40,000 Somalians we can send them. Thanks a lot Lutheran and catholic do good farkheads
 
2014-02-10 09:59:20 AM  
"Our neighborhood is poor!"

"We can fix that."

"We can't afford to live in our neighborhood any more!"
 
2014-02-10 09:59:23 AM  

Lapdance: Please enlighten someone from back East here, What is Trader Joe's?


We have Trader Joe's back East. There's one in Westport CT.

Nice place - limited inventory, but decent quality and competitive prices. We shop there often.
 
2014-02-10 10:00:13 AM  

Babwa Wawa: TheCheese: Which is worse? A grocery store where no one in the community can afford to buy anything, or no grocery store at all?

You know how I know you don't shop at Trader Joe's?


People who don't have TJ's seem to lump them in with the Whole Food's and Fresh Market's of the world that are overpriced, just based on some preconceived notion of what a "specialty" retailer must charge.
 
2014-02-10 10:00:28 AM  
I thought the hood already had plenty of places to get cheap wine?

They would have built the store and then had to close it due to rampant shoplifting. Thats what happened to a Kroger in Raleigh. Of course they were racist for closing the store.
 
2014-02-10 10:00:54 AM  

Driedsponge: Reverend Monkeypants: WTF is wrong with gentrification?

Gentrification is fine when it is happening in an area that can afford it.  Otherwise it just makes for a lot of expensive, empty buildings used once a year for Halloween costume stores.


so, keep the poor neighborhoods poor?
 
2014-02-10 10:01:10 AM  
So there is this:
The group demanded the $8 million Trader Joe's project be halted or reconstituted with the addition of affordable housing.
Followed immediately by this:
Director Cyreena Boston Ashby said PAALF's consistent goal has been to bring attention to what it views as the real problem: the development commission's lack of transparency in projects that affect the black community.

You read what they asked for first, and it's not even CLOSE to what they say their "goal" was. Just alot of back-peddling spin.  What's even worse, is this isn't even a local group. It's not members of the actual community it's going to be built in. It's a nationally sponsored activist group backed by the NAACP making demands, and the locals are PISSED about it.

Affordable housing? sheesh.
 
2014-02-10 10:01:16 AM  
OK, I looked them up. There are supposedly 3 surrounding my city in outlying areas but I never heard of them.
 
2014-02-10 10:01:43 AM  

Tillmaster: Lapdance: Please enlighten someone from back East here, What is Trader Joe's?

We have Trader Joe's back East. There's one in Westport CT.

Nice place - limited inventory, but decent quality and competitive prices. We shop there often.


Yeah, not sure what "back east" means, there are TJ's in plenty of places out "East" (but, I only mostly know about New England/Philly area, maybe you are down around the Carolina's or something and they don't have any).
 
2014-02-10 10:02:14 AM  
I have never understood the concept of this store. When I ask people who go what the draw is, they invariably mention cheap, good wine selection. The Safeway right next to it has literally 5 times the wine selection. No clue.
 
2014-02-10 10:02:26 AM  
I dont mind Traders, but you got to get there early the place gets packed quick. Plus they have a decent selections of wine and cheese
 
2014-02-10 10:02:45 AM  

The Muthaship: What's your next trick?


Get me some skrimps.
 
2014-02-10 10:02:53 AM  

Babwa Wawa: TheCheese: Which is worse? A grocery store where no one in the community can afford to buy anything, or no grocery store at all?

You know how I know you don't shop at Trader Joe's?


The saddest part is when large supermarket chains are not in lower income areas, neighborhood grocery stores fill in.  They usually charge much higher prices and have lower quality meats and almost no produce.  SO, in fact, not having these stores actually costs way more for those people in the neighborhoods.
 
2014-02-10 10:03:04 AM  

sign_of_Zeta: Reverend Monkeypants: WTF is wrong with gentrification?

There are certain people within the African-American culture who see gentrification as "white culture" being imposed upon them, which is stupid for two reasons: 1. It reinforces the concept that African American culture is tied to lower economic status, and helps perpetuate the cycle of poverty in the community, and 2. the corporate fast food place in your community are exactly as African American as Trader Joe's.

I hope more logical people in the African American community fight the stupidity of the others.


while that might be true I dunno, but the more solid argument against gentrification is if you rent you can't afford it anymore and if you own you can't afford your property taxes anymore. I don't think you can stop it but it is an actual problem people have and it isn't some manufactured problem people are imposing in themselves.
 
2014-02-10 10:03:11 AM  
When keeping it real goes wrong

/what is so bad about gentrification?
 
2014-02-10 10:03:19 AM  

sign_of_Zeta: Reverend Monkeypants: WTF is wrong with gentrification?

There are certain people within the African-American culture who see gentrification as "white culture" being imposed upon them, which is stupid for two reasons: 1. It reinforces the concept that African American culture is tied to lower economic status, and helps perpetuate the cycle of poverty in the community, and 2. the corporate fast food place in your community are exactly as African American as Trader Joe's.

I hope more logical people in the African American community fight the stupidity of the others.


This.

I always thought it was bullshiat when the media treated racial demographics as monolithic entities.  Reading how racial demographics are treating themselves as the same just makes my derpo-meter (tm) hurt.
 
2014-02-10 10:03:23 AM  

dletter: People who don't have TJ's seem to lump them in with the Whole Food's and Fresh Market's of the world that are overpriced, just based on some preconceived notion of what a "specialty" retailer must charge.


Anything that isn't Wal*Mart is hipster.
 
2014-02-10 10:03:32 AM  
I dislike their font, plus the fact that I bet nothing is traded there ever, friggen dumb name.
 
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