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(The Stranger)   Seattle's billion-dollar tunnel boondoggle hits yet another snag. Better get more lube   (slog.thestranger.com) divider line 98
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2014-02-09 01:01:04 AM  
I'd say it was boring, but it's not.
 
2014-02-09 04:12:28 AM  
Boondoggle? No. Apparently the "real" people of Seattle fought for it tooth and nail against the envirololovists to preserve the Right to Drive. How dare you, submitter. Making it seem like this shiat's a waste of money and resources.
 
2014-02-09 06:31:49 AM  

whidbey: Boondoggle? No. Apparently the "real" people of Seattle fought for it tooth and nail against the envirololovists to preserve the Right to Drive. How dare you, submitter. Making it seem like this shiat's a waste of money and resources.


Are those like real Americans?
 
2014-02-09 07:02:58 AM  
I wasn't aware that Seattle had a billion dollar tunnel boondoggle. Are they trying to keep up with Boston or something?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-02-09 09:02:07 AM  
DrPainMD

It's basically an imitation of the Big Dig. They had an elevated highway that needed serious work. They had urban planners with briefcases full of buzzwords about knitting, reconnecting, social justice, this-able, and that-able. They had a marketing team that could sell a $15 billion project as a $2 billion project. And off they went.

Apparently also like the Big Dig, they didn't have accurate drawings. One of the Big Dig ramp projects ran into trouble when workers found a building that wasn't on their maps. That building was the Boston Garden.
 
2014-02-09 10:09:28 AM  
This looks like a job for the 12th MAN! Right?
 
2014-02-09 10:15:33 AM  
shiat happens!
 
2014-02-09 10:16:35 AM  
Whoa NSFW headline on the article eh
 
2014-02-09 10:17:42 AM  

verbal_jizm: whidbey: Boondoggle? No. Apparently the "real" people of Seattle fought for it tooth and nail against the envirololovists to preserve the Right to Drive. How dare you, submitter. Making it seem like this shiat's a waste of money and resources.

Are those like real Americans?


The then Mayor of the City was adamantly against the tunnel option, and most of the folks I knew were as well. Everyone I knew who was aware of the issue was saying it was going to end up being an engineering nightmare. The cut-and-cover tunnel would have made more sense financially, as well as allowing for downtown exits and entrances to Hwy 99 which this tunnel does not.
 
2014-02-09 10:19:34 AM  

DrPainMD: I wasn't aware that Seattle had a billion dollar tunnel boondoggle. Are they trying to keep up with Boston or something?


Yup.

The best part is this: They had to dismantle one of these boring machines in the ground and scrap it a couple of years ago out at Brightwater, so it's not like they didn't know.
 
2014-02-09 10:19:41 AM  
Cutterhead main bearing seal.. this is not going to be cheap.
 
2014-02-09 10:20:01 AM  

ransack.: Whoa NSFW headline on the article eh


"real" Americans don't work on Sunday.
 
2014-02-09 10:22:32 AM  

ransack.: Whoa NSFW headline on the article eh


Meh.

/Curious as to how the URL made it past the filter.
 
2014-02-09 10:28:02 AM  
Fleh...still the bastard child of Greg Nickels...
 
2014-02-09 10:29:00 AM  

MFAWG: DrPainMD: I wasn't aware that Seattle had a billion dollar tunnel boondoggle. Are they trying to keep up with Boston or something?

Yup.

The best part is this: They had to dismantle one of these boring machines in the ground and scrap it a couple of years ago out at Brightwater, so it's not like they didn't know.


Brightwater was a King County project. It had nothing to do with Seattle, and it really was for a good reason. Just the local yokels in the City Councils in Snohomish County where it would have passed through were against it, so it had to snug along the county line for almost it's entire length which nearly doubled the distance required. It would have been half the cost if the local City governments didn't try to chisel off a chunk of the money for themselves every step of the way even though the project had nothing to do with them at all.
 
2014-02-09 10:32:03 AM  
Boston's Big Dig tunnel: 3.5 miles. Original cost estimate: 2.8 billion dollars. Estimated actual final cost: 22.8 billion dollars. Tunnel has major ongoing leaks and ceiling tiles have fallen and killed a person.

Enjoy your "Big Dig" tunnel, Seattle.
 
2014-02-09 10:32:48 AM  

DrPainMD: I wasn't aware that Seattle had a billion dollar tunnel boondoggle. Are they trying to keep up with Boston or something?


Seattle's billion dollar tunnel - is this an article about Bill Gates garage?
 
2014-02-09 10:34:53 AM  
Ok, time to follow the money.

http://crosscut.com/2014/02/07/transportation/118664/political-cover -b erthas-contractors-hire-lobbyist-/

Doesn't matter, the taxpayers will pay.  Gotta have more setbacks, ka-ching$$$$$$
 
2014-02-09 10:35:12 AM  

Allen. The end.: Fleh...still the bastard child of Greg Nickels...


He was against the deep tunnel option. The viaduct had to be replaced. It was designed and built by the same company that built the similar viaduct in Oakland CA that collapsed in the 1989 Earthquake. It was wrecked during the 2001 Earthquake and was literally teetering over.

Palms got greased for the current project in a big way, and they replaced the Mayor to make it happen.
 
2014-02-09 10:35:35 AM  
"It's a busted main muffler bearing.  I'm afraid this is going to cost you."
 
2014-02-09 10:36:26 AM  

whidbey: Boondoggle? No. Apparently the "real" people of Seattle fought for it tooth and nail against the envirololovists to preserve the Right to Drive. How dare you, submitter. Making it seem like this shiat's a waste of money and resources.


Stick to politics, Skookum er I mean Whidbey.
 
2014-02-09 10:37:19 AM  

itsaidwhat: DrPainMD: I wasn't aware that Seattle had a billion dollar tunnel boondoggle. Are they trying to keep up with Boston or something?

Seattle's billion dollar tunnel - is this an article about Bill Gates garage?


No, it's about Melinda's vagina.
 
2014-02-09 10:38:26 AM  
Lady-named tunnel from Seattle.
Tori Black?
 
2014-02-09 10:45:30 AM  
They should call AAA.  give it a jump.
 
2014-02-09 10:47:20 AM  
Should've stuck with the diamond pickaxe.
 
2014-02-09 10:51:34 AM  

whidbey: Boondoggle? No. Apparently the "real" people of Seattle fought for it tooth and nail against the envirololovists to preserve the Right to Drive. How dare you, submitter. Making it seem like this shiat's a waste of money and resources.


Dude, why try so hard?  All you have to say is, "If you don't like the project then you are racist."  Wins every argument.
 
2014-02-09 10:55:53 AM  
I wonder how big those bearings are... The size of basketballs?

Though I would hope that this would just be considered a maintenance type item.
 
2014-02-09 10:59:52 AM  

Deathfrogg: MFAWG: DrPainMD: I wasn't aware that Seattle had a billion dollar tunnel boondoggle. Are they trying to keep up with Boston or something?

Yup.

The best part is this: They had to dismantle one of these boring machines in the ground and scrap it a couple of years ago out at Brightwater, so it's not like they didn't know.

Brightwater was a King County project. It had nothing to do with Seattle, and it really was for a good reason. Just the local yokels in the City Councils in Snohomish County where it would have passed through were against it, so it had to snug along the county line for almost it's entire length which nearly doubled the distance required. It would have been half the cost if the local City governments didn't try to chisel off a chunk of the money for themselves every step of the way even though the project had nothing to do with them at all.


Huh. So if it goes through my city, my city doesn't have anything to do with it?

Let's try that again.
 
2014-02-09 11:00:22 AM  
Tunnel workers performed 158 hours of hyperbaric inspectipons between Jan. 17 and Jan. 28. They found that many of the cutterhead openings were clogged with dirt and other material. A clogged cutterhead can affect the tunneling machine's performance in the same way that a major obstruction would affect its performance. Once the hyperbaric work was completed, it was determined that a major obstruction was not the cause of the mining difficulty. The more likely cause was the clogged cutterhead.

OK... so the hojillion dollar tunnel-digging machine can only be stopped by major obstructions, such as hitting a buried main battle tank... OR... and this is the OTHER thing that could stop it... if it got DIRT on the cutting surface.

If it doesn't hit either one of those things, it'll go forever.

*blink*
 
2014-02-09 11:00:48 AM  
When's this tunnel gonna hit the pocket of blight gas?. I want zombies, dammit.
 
2014-02-09 11:01:26 AM  

ZAZ: DrPainMD

It's basically an imitation of the Big Dig. They had an elevated highway that needed serious work. They had urban planners with briefcases full of buzzwords about knitting, reconnecting, social justice, this-able, and that-able. They had a marketing team that could sell a $15 billion project as a $2 billion project. And off they went.

Apparently also like the Big Dig, they didn't have accurate drawings. One of the Big Dig ramp projects ran into trouble when workers found a building that wasn't on their maps. That building was the Boston Garden.


Okay, time to fix your logic/BS. (Can't tell which.)  The ramps you're referring to, which connect Storrow Drive to I-93, were designed before 1991, when the project started.  The problem it had wasn't with the *original* Boston Garden, open since 1928.  It's the *TD* Garden, built in 1995 on land behind the original Garden.  That Garden almost directly abuts the ramp to I-93 South, and 2/3 of the north side of the building is over the ramp from I-93 North.  Neither of which go anywhere near the original Garden or its side building (though said building was knocked down as part of the project and as part of building the New Garden).

There's about a billion things wrong with the O'Neill Tunnel, but the Old Garden was never one of them.
 
2014-02-09 11:02:01 AM  
I tried to do this when I was 10 in my parents backyard. I mean, it was my backyard, but I was letting them live with me, and, out of habit, I kindly reference it is their backyard to not rub in their faces the hard times I helped them out of. At any rate, I met many problems with the project and sympathize with Seattle.
 
2014-02-09 11:07:44 AM  

whatdoyouexpect: I tried to do this when I was 10 in my parents backyard. I mean, it was my backyard, but I was letting them live with me, and, out of habit, I kindly reference it is their backyard to not rub in their faces the hard times I helped them out of. At any rate, I met many problems with the project and sympathize with Seattle.


You didn't go through magma and dinosaur bones and then end up in China walking on the ceiling? That's what happened when I did it
 
2014-02-09 11:12:42 AM  

ransack.: Cutterhead main bearing seal.. this is not going to be cheap.


It looks like they just blew a seal.
 
2014-02-09 11:12:52 AM  

whatdoyouexpect: I tried to do this when I was 10 in my parents backyard. I mean, it was my backyard, but I was letting them live with me, and, out of habit, I kindly reference it is their backyard to not rub in their faces the hard times I helped them out of. At any rate, I met many problems with the project and sympathize with Seattle.


I tried to dig a holes in my backyard as a kid.  I was looking for treasure.  Of course there used to be an old horse farm on our land, and before that it was the sight of a small civil war battle, so we were constantly digging up old bullets, canon fragments, and horseshoes.  It would always make my Dad angry when he hit one of my archaeological dig sights with the lawnmower.
 
2014-02-09 11:17:34 AM  

ChrisDe: ransack.: Cutterhead main bearing seal.. this is not going to be cheap.

It looks like they just blew a seal.


It looks like they have literally no idea what's going on. I'm guessing at this point it's 50/50 they have to abandon the machine and start the fark over.

Meanwhile, a few miles away, the 520 floating bridge is going fantastically!
 
2014-02-09 11:19:03 AM  
It's all going to collapse during the next earthquake but whatever.
 
2014-02-09 11:21:05 AM  

ChrisDe: ransack.: Cutterhead main bearing seal.. this is not going to be cheap.

It looks like they just blew a seal.


No, that's just ice cream.
 
2014-02-09 11:22:21 AM  

The Smails Kid: ChrisDe: ransack.: Cutterhead main bearing seal.. this is not going to be cheap.

It looks like they just blew a seal.

No, that's just ice cream.


I'll set 'em on the tee, you keep knocking 'em out of the park.
 
2014-02-09 11:22:50 AM  
Does every city fark up their tunnel project? Interesting that these billion plus dollar projects are so jacked after years of planning.
 
2014-02-09 11:26:26 AM  

Speef: Tunnel workers performed 158 hours of hyperbaric inspectipons between Jan. 17 and Jan. 28. They found that many of the cutterhead openings were clogged with dirt and other material. A clogged cutterhead can affect the tunneling machine's performance in the same way that a major obstruction would affect its performance. Once the hyperbaric work was completed, it was determined that a major obstruction was not the cause of the mining difficulty. The more likely cause was the clogged cutterhead.

OK... so the hojillion dollar tunnel-digging machine can only be stopped by major obstructions, such as hitting a buried main battle tank...



(Crosses fingers, hopes for Bolo Resartus.)
 
2014-02-09 11:29:00 AM  

ChrisDe: ransack.: Cutterhead main bearing seal.. this is not going to be cheap.

It looks like they just blew a seal.


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Fix the darn thing and leave my private life out of it, ok pal?
 
2014-02-09 11:33:01 AM  
Digging tunnels is always more expensive than projected.  Just ask Governor Romney.
 
2014-02-09 11:36:02 AM  
I thought Japanese vehicles ran forever? What it only has a like a 2ft warranty? Two feet or six months which ever comes first.
In the old days they would have had a bunch of Chinese down there with shovels and got it done.
 
2014-02-09 11:36:06 AM  

ChrisDe: ransack.: Cutterhead main bearing seal.. this is not going to be cheap.

It looks like they just blew a seal.


I thought there were Federal laws protecting seals, or is this a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" type of thing.
 
2014-02-09 11:36:46 AM  

DrPainMD: I wasn't aware that Seattle had a billion dollar tunnel boondoggle. Are they trying to keep up with Boston or something?


Meh. More Wrong Coast trying to be like East Coast.
 
2014-02-09 11:39:30 AM  

bearcats1983: Does every city fark up their tunnel project? Interesting that these billion plus dollar projects are so jacked after years of planning.


Trying to construct over/within existing infrastructure is a complex undertaking that will inevitably run into challenges.  Particularly when the existing infrastructure is old and poorly documented, like that of Seattle's waterfront.
 
2014-02-09 11:44:50 AM  

The Smails Kid: ChrisDe: ransack.: Cutterhead main bearing seal.. this is not going to be cheap.

It looks like they just blew a seal.

No, that's just ice cream.


Heidi Klum nods.,
 
2014-02-09 11:50:17 AM  
Impossible, I've been informed by farkers that govt has your best interests at heart and are only here to help. You should turn all of your worries over to them.
 
2014-02-09 11:51:03 AM  

ChrisDe: ransack.: Cutterhead main bearing seal.. this is not going to be cheap.

It looks like they just blew a seal.


Hey, just fix the drill and leave my personal life outta this.
 
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