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(Think Progress)   WV Water company: "They can't hate us any more than they already do, right? So why NOT charge the public for the water needed to flush our contaminated water out of their systems, then refuse to issue the water credits we promised?"   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 147
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2014-02-09 06:49:07 AM  

Aquapope: Your neighbor is lying to you. A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons. Is your neighbors pool that small?


8 or 12' diameter (4' deep) circular pools are fairly common because they're cheap.  Those are both under 3600 gallons.
 
2014-02-09 06:49:49 AM  
Gah, it threw out my 'notsureifserious' gif...
 
2014-02-09 06:53:45 AM  

Likwit: You fark anti-capitalist people are so stupid it hurts.

Go ahead. Tell me how this is in any way the fault of free market capitalism.


The free market allowed the sale of the tank-owning company without an inspection of the tank.
The free market didn't examine the leaking tank for 20 years.
The people affected can only get their water from one source, so the free market doesn't apply.

Go ahead, tell me how the free market was harmed in this and how they would have done better.

//that's just off the top of my head.  The free market is why this is farked up.
 
2014-02-09 06:57:23 AM  

ReverendJasen: Aquapope: Your neighbor is lying to you. A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons. Is your neighbors pool that small?

8 or 12' diameter (4' deep) circular pools are fairly common because they're cheap.  Those are both under 3600 gallons.


That's not a pool.  That's a horse trough.
 
2014-02-09 06:58:02 AM  

Likwit: You fark anti-capitalist people are so stupid it hurts.

Go ahead. Tell me how this is in any way the fault of free market capitalism.


You don't even get the joke, and yet call everyone else stupid.  They're snarking on the fact that the "free market will fix everything!" is touted about as gospel and the reason to privatize *everything*, yet this is a prime example of where privatization cannot be helped by the awe inspiring powers of the free market and hurts the public as a result.

You can call me a dirty socialist, but some basic necessities of life should be administered by a civic branch of the government, and not a profit-driven corporation who doesn't give two shiats about the welfare of its customers because it has a de facto monopoly, and the public has no recourse other than to bend over and keep paying.
 
2014-02-09 07:06:04 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-09 07:06:40 AM  

AngryDragon: [i.imgur.com image 480x267]


oops.  wrong thread
 
2014-02-09 07:08:32 AM  
www.rogerwendell.com
 
2014-02-09 07:10:29 AM  

the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.


#include <amendment-ix.h>
 
2014-02-09 07:27:20 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.

#include <amendment-ix.h>


The Ninth Amendment doesn't grant or confer any rights. It simply notes that some other unspecified rights besides those noted in the constitution might exist.
 
2014-02-09 07:29:31 AM  
You have to let the natural crazies free market take care of it. Mass mail-out the home address and schedules of the company directors and their families to everyone in the state.

The system of releasing dangerously unhinged people into the community since the 80s will take care of the problem.
 
2014-02-09 07:33:45 AM  

Likwit: You fark anti-capitalist people are so stupid it hurts.

Go ahead. Tell me how this is in any way the fault of free market capitalism.


"Freedom" Industries dumped poison into the Elk River.

"Free market capitalism", so Fox Propaganda would have us believe, would have "Freedom" Industries evade responsibility for dumping poison into the Elk River.

"Free market capitalism", so Fox Propaganda would have us believe, means that a billionaire in possession of a large tank of poison has no responsibility for making sure that the poison stays in the tank.

"Free market capitalism", so Fox Propaganda would have us believe, means that if you dump poison into the Elk River, the rest of us have to deal with the consequences.

"Free market capitalism", so Fox Propaganda would have us believe, means that the plutocrats get the goldmine and the rest of us get the shaft.

"Party of personal responsibility" my ass.
 
2014-02-09 07:35:14 AM  

the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.


except for that pesky 14th amendment
 
2014-02-09 07:37:02 AM  

SwiftFox: Lee Jackson Beauregard: the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.

#include <amendment-ix.h>

The Ninth Amendment doesn't grant or confer any rights. It simply notes that some other unspecified rights besides those noted in the constitution might exist.


Amendment 14

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
 
2014-02-09 07:40:18 AM  

a_room_with_a_moose: There may be something to this. My neighbor and best friend had his last bill say that he used 3600 gallons in Jan. He didn't use that much in May when he filled his swimming pool. And this is with he and his wife not using the water for anything save flushing the toilet.

/his normal Jan. usage - around 900-1000 gallons
//me, I'm on a well... one of the few times I've been glad of that
///obligate third slashie


Your neighbors sound smelly.
 
2014-02-09 07:40:23 AM  

ReverendJasen: Likwit: You fark anti-capitalist people are so stupid it hurts.

Go ahead. Tell me how this is in any way the fault of free market capitalism.

You don't even get the joke, and yet call everyone else stupid.  They're snarking on the fact that the "free market will fix everything!" is touted about as gospel and the reason to privatize *everything*, yet this is a prime example of where privatization cannot be helped by the awe inspiring powers of the free market and hurts the public as a result.

You can call me a dirty socialist, but some basic necessities of life should be administered by a civic branch of the government, and not a profit-driven corporation who doesn't give two shiats about the welfare of its customers because it has a de facto monopoly, and the public has no recourse other than to bend over and keep paying.


Speaking of that, what the hell happened to things like the Anti-Combine Act and whatnot?

Oh wait, the laws are still on the books but the jobs and departments that were to regulate, prosecute and enforce them were cut/downsized. Because reasons.

Cripes, the freaking Romans had a Weights and Measures Enforcement department, two thousand years ago. They could execute people, and did.
 
2014-02-09 07:41:31 AM  
The spice must flow.
 
2014-02-09 07:42:27 AM  
1) Pay the bill
2) Having paid the bill, sue the crap out of the company for knowingly selling them poisoned product
3) Profit.
 
2014-02-09 07:47:29 AM  

Bungles: You have to let the natural crazies free market take care of it. Mass mail-out the home address and schedules of the company directors and their families to everyone in the state.

The system of releasing dangerously unhinged people into the community since the 80s will take care of the problem.


Pretty soon it won't be just the dangerously unhinged taking care of these problems.
 
2014-02-09 07:50:43 AM  

EvilEgg: Maybe this will learn those inbred hicks that sometimes the Government is on your side.


I can sort of understand why a lot of these places are so anti-government, given that they keep voting in self-serving a-holes who are clearly anti-populace...
 
2014-02-09 07:55:59 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Likwit: You fark anti-capitalist people are so stupid it hurts.

Go ahead. Tell me how this is in any way the fault of free market capitalism.

"Freedom" Industries dumped poison into the Elk River.

"Free market capitalism", so Fox Propaganda would have us believe, would have "Freedom" Industries evade responsibility for dumping poison into the Elk River.

"Free market capitalism", so Fox Propaganda would have us believe, means that a billionaire in possession of a large tank of poison has no responsibility for making sure that the poison stays in the tank.

"Free market capitalism", so Fox Propaganda would have us believe, means that if you dump poison into the Elk River, the rest of us have to deal with the consequences.

"Free market capitalism", so Fox Propaganda would have us believe, means that the plutocrats get the goldmine and the rest of us get the shaft.

"Party of personal responsibility" my ass.


Sounds like "free-market" capitalism can be just as damaging to the environment as Soviet communism was

/ both systems are/were ruled by sociopaths
 
2014-02-09 08:00:00 AM  

Bungles: You have to let the natural crazies free market take care of it. Mass mail-out the home address and schedules of the company directors and their families to everyone in the state.

The system of releasing dangerously unhinged people into the community since the 80s will take care of the problem.




The dismantling of the mental health facilities started in the late 50's early 60's. It was done because of one hospital being horribly run gaining a whole lot of press. Conservatives jumped on it to cut budgets, liberals embraced it saying that the halfway houses were more humane.

The closing of the final facilities in the 80s were part of a much linger trend of stupidity in America.
 
2014-02-09 08:03:21 AM  

Aquapope: a_room_with_a_moose: There may be something to this. My neighbor and best friend had his last bill say that he used 3600 gallons in Jan. He didn't use that much in May when he filled his swimming pool. And this is with he and his wife not using the water for anything save flushing the toilet.

/his normal Jan. usage - around 900-1000 gallons
//me, I'm on a well... one of the few times I've been glad of that
///obligate third slashie

Your neighbor is lying to you.  A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons.  Is your neighbors pool that small?


Yah. It's one of those 3.5 ft Wal Mart pools with the inflatable rim and we partially filled it with rainwater we had diverted off of his roof in the spring.
 
2014-02-09 08:06:14 AM  

a_room_with_a_moose: Aquapope: a_room_with_a_moose: There may be something to this. My neighbor and best friend had his last bill say that he used 3600 gallons in Jan. He didn't use that much in May when he filled his swimming pool. And this is with he and his wife not using the water for anything save flushing the toilet.

/his normal Jan. usage - around 900-1000 gallons
//me, I'm on a well... one of the few times I've been glad of that
///obligate third slashie

Your neighbor is lying to you.  A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons.  Is your neighbors pool that small?

Yah. It's one of those 3.5 ft Wal Mart pools with the inflatable rim and we partially filled it with rainwater we had diverted off of his roof in the spring.


Who the hell has A six meter deep pool In their yard? .
 
2014-02-09 08:08:11 AM  
What people don't seem to realize is that you have to pay for this anyhow, money doesnt just magically appear from nowhere. Whether you pay it now on your water bill, or the water company raises your rates next cycle to make up for the loss, it WILL come out of your own pocket... Because it has to come from somewhere, and the only place a water company gets its money, is from you.

So.. How about people stop being a nation of retarded sheep requiring that the powers that be pull the wool over your eyes and play numbers games to hide these truths from you, and you just accept that the situation sucks and move forward?

You have no other option.
 
2014-02-09 08:08:14 AM  

Gyrfalcon: We can hate you more, but it probably won't do any good.

Kind of like I hate Time Warner Cable, but I've got no choice with them, either.


Directv?
 
2014-02-09 08:10:40 AM  

simkatu: a_room_with_a_moose: There may be something to this. My neighbor and best friend had his last bill say that he used 3600 gallons in Jan. He didn't use that much in May when he filled his swimming pool. And this is with he and his wife not using the water for anything save flushing the toilet.

/his normal Jan. usage - around 900-1000 gallons
//me, I'm on a well... one of the few times I've been glad of that
///obligate third slashie

Your neighbors sound smelly.


No, just older with no kids and both travel for work.

You sound wasteful.

When I was on city water and lived alone, I frequently had months where I didn't hit the charge figure of 500 gal. per month and had to still pay for it (they charge you for a minimum amount, whether you have used it or not).

Not all of us use fresh water as if it grows on trees year round.
 
2014-02-09 08:12:07 AM  

Aquapope: a_room_with_a_moose: There may be something to this. My neighbor and best friend had his last bill say that he used 3600 gallons in Jan. He didn't use that much in May when he filled his swimming pool. And this is with he and his wife not using the water for anything save flushing the toilet.

/his normal Jan. usage - around 900-1000 gallons
//me, I'm on a well... one of the few times I've been glad of that
///obligate third slashie

Your neighbor is lying to you.  A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons.  Is your neighbors pool that small?


6 meters is pretty damn deep for a swimming pool
 
2014-02-09 08:14:28 AM  

NickelP: Who the hell has A six meter deep pool In their yard? .


US terms: ' is shorthand for feet, " for inches.

Though I think a 10x10x6 meter pool would be awesome.
 
2014-02-09 08:15:59 AM  

Aquapope: ReverendJasen: Aquapope: Your neighbor is lying to you. A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons. Is your neighbors pool that small?

8 or 12' diameter (4' deep) circular pools are fairly common because they're cheap.  Those are both under 3600 gallons.

That's not a pool.  That's a horse trough.


Yes. Everyone should have a huge pool in their backyard. I bet these losers clean their own horse troughs too! Only people who can afford a $20k pool should have one.
 
2014-02-09 08:25:15 AM  

cretinbob: SwiftFox: Lee Jackson Beauregard: the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.

#include <amendment-ix.h>

The Ninth Amendment doesn't grant or confer any rights. It simply notes that some other unspecified rights besides those noted in the constitution might exist.

Amendment 14

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


How does that not apply to gay dudes or lesbian ladies?
 
2014-02-09 08:26:35 AM  

NickelP: a_room_with_a_moose: Aquapope: a_room_with_a_moose: There may be something to this. My neighbor and best friend had his last bill say that he used 3600 gallons in Jan. He didn't use that much in May when he filled his swimming pool. And this is with he and his wife not using the water for anything save flushing the toilet.

/his normal Jan. usage - around 900-1000 gallons
//me, I'm on a well... one of the few times I've been glad of that
///obligate third slashie

Your neighbor is lying to you.  A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons.  Is your neighbors pool that small?

Yah. It's one of those 3.5 ft Wal Mart pools with the inflatable rim and we partially filled it with rainwater we had diverted off of his roof in the spring.

Who the hell has A six meter deep pool In their yard? .


Keith Moon.
 
2014-02-09 08:40:10 AM  

Alonjar: What people don't seem to realize is that you have to pay for this anyhow, money doesnt just magically appear from nowhere. Whether you pay it now on your water bill, or the water company raises your rates next cycle to make up for the loss, it WILL come out of your own pocket... Because it has to come from somewhere, and the only place a water company gets its money, is from you.

So.. How about people stop being a nation of retarded sheep requiring that the powers that be pull the wool over your eyes and play numbers games to hide these truths from you, and you just accept that the situation sucks and move forward?

You have no other option.


Without an Auditing of the Federal Reserve the money IS coming from nowhere and being sold as a debt with interest placing the populous in perpetual debt slavery because there is never enough physical money in the system to pay the debt.  The other option is a public utility free from interest but then the Powers that be can't take a mafia like cut of all the action, which why every individual or nation that tries to do that gets executed, assassinated, or invaded, even though it should be the other way around.  Any Nation that is running a central banking scam should be destroyed and they sell out leaders tarred and feathered.
 
2014-02-09 08:51:23 AM  
Utilities need to make a certain level of profit.  Many costs are already fixed so if usage declines then rates have to rise to make up for he loss of revenue.
 
2014-02-09 08:54:06 AM  

fusillade762: the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.

I think it's covered in the Declaration of Independence under the part about "Life". Liberty and the pursuit of happiness are, of necessity, secondary.


Nothing in the DoI is constitutionaly protected.
 
2014-02-09 08:54:23 AM  
flynn80:
Without an Auditing of the Federal Reserve the money IS coming from nowhere and being sold as a debt with interest placing the populous in perpetual debt slavery because there is never enough physical money in the system to pay the debt.

(stoppedreadingthere.jpg)

There is no such thing as physical money.  There never was.  All of the traditional forms of money only had value that was given them by the people who used it as money, whether it is chunks of metal or slips of cotton and linen with stuff printed on it or bits of data moving around when you swipe a piece of plastic.  It is all artificial.
 
2014-02-09 08:55:30 AM  

flynn80: Alonjar: What people don't seem to realize is that you have to pay for this anyhow, money doesnt just magically appear from nowhere. Whether you pay it now on your water bill, or the water company raises your rates next cycle to make up for the loss, it WILL come out of your own pocket... Because it has to come from somewhere, and the only place a water company gets its money, is from you.

So.. How about people stop being a nation of retarded sheep requiring that the powers that be pull the wool over your eyes and play numbers games to hide these truths from you, and you just accept that the situation sucks and move forward?

You have no other option.

Without an Auditing of the Federal Reserve the money IS coming from nowhere and being sold as a debt with interest placing the populous in perpetual debt slavery because there is never enough physical money in the system to pay the debt.  The other option is a public utility free from interest but then the Powers that be can't take a mafia like cut of all the action, which why every individual or nation that tries to do that gets executed, assassinated, or invaded, even though it should be the other way around.  Any Nation that is running a central banking scam should be destroyed and they sell out leaders tarred and feathered.


Oh, dear. You drank the polluted water, didn't you?
 
2014-02-09 08:59:59 AM  

SwiftFox: Lee Jackson Beauregard: the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.

#include <amendment-ix.h>

The Ninth Amendment doesn't grant or confer any rights. It simply notes that some other unspecified rights besides those noted in the constitution might exist.


Is that what the courts believe? If so, I can see why they would take that position, but it's obviously not why the amendment was originally included. The folks who made the Bill of Rights were scared that by enumerating some rights, future governments might interpret that to mean that those were the only rights protected and thus the only ones they needed to take seriously. The Ninth was included as an explicit guard against that. Those folks believed that other rights almost certainly existed and those rights obviously should be protected whether or not they were in the Constitution because they were, well, "rights."
 
2014-02-09 09:01:50 AM  

Alonjar: What people don't seem to realize is that you have to pay for this anyhow, money doesnt just magically appear from nowhere. Whether you pay it now on your water bill, or the water company raises your rates next cycle to make up for the loss, it WILL come out of your own pocket... Because it has to come from somewhere, and the only place a water company gets its money, is from you.


No. The loss is caused by Freedom Industries. They must pay. Why would the people pay for damages caused by Freedom Industries?
 
2014-02-09 09:08:08 AM  

Cheviot: Alonjar: What people don't seem to realize is that you have to pay for this anyhow, money doesnt just magically appear from nowhere. Whether you pay it now on your water bill, or the water company raises your rates next cycle to make up for the loss, it WILL come out of your own pocket... Because it has to come from somewhere, and the only place a water company gets its money, is from you.

No. The loss is caused by Freedom Industries. They must pay. Why would the people pay for damages caused by Freedom Industries?


IIRC, Freedom Industries filed for bankruptcy, so they won't have to pay anything.

Y'know, I bet some of the writers of the previous century would have a field day with this sort of thing.  Shame that nobody really reads books anymore.  Maybe if Upton Sinclair wrote for a reality TV show...
 
2014-02-09 09:23:36 AM  

fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.


Sort  of like Cosa Nostra LLC?
 
2014-02-09 09:36:25 AM  
You should try arguing with a government water system that your meter reading is wrong.

Here in Atlanta people had to go to the local news stations and have a second meter put inside the house after a plumber said there weren't any outside leaks that showed a discrepancy to even begin to have the water company listen.

I even went to the water company with brown tap water in a Tupperware container and got the 'it has some turbidity in it but it is safe according to our tests' line.

Not to mention a major water main leak that ran for years in the middle of a drought that they blamed on a spring. Apparently springs spontaneously show up during droughts.
 
2014-02-09 09:39:03 AM  
Just 2 things, that as  I see it are fairly common sense and fair.

1. I see no reason for a company to raise its rates to compensate for situations like this. If the company is making a profit then they should be shouldering their own responsibility and not foisting off on the public...the customers that they serve. I realize that this is never going to happen, but this is how it should be. Can you imagine going in to your work tomorrow with a broken arm and telling your boss that he'll need to give you a raise to compensate for your medical costs? Oh, you have insurance through your work that actually already pays your medical expenses? Maybe not the best analogy but you can get my point on this.

2. Water may not be a constitutional right, but you don't necessarily need to get your water from the water company. You ARE free to go to the local river/creek/lake/pond and scoop up as many buckets as you can haul away. You're also free to process, filter and purify that water to make it usable too. What you're paying for is the convenience of having the water delivered to your home in a usable condition. Which is where things are breaking down here. service is being paid for, but not delivered.
 
2014-02-09 09:46:42 AM  

Bhags: Just 2 things, that as  I see it are fairly common sense and fair.

1. I see no reason for a company to raise its rates to compensate for situations like this. If the company is making a profit then they should be shouldering their own responsibility and not foisting off on the public...the customers that they serve. I realize that this is never going to happen, but this is how it should be. Can you imagine going in to your work tomorrow with a broken arm and telling your boss that he'll need to give you a raise to compensate for your medical costs? Oh, you have insurance through your work that actually already pays your medical expenses? Maybe not the best analogy but you can get my point on this.

2. Water may not be a constitutional right, but you don't necessarily need to get your water from the water company. You ARE free to go to the local river/creek/lake/pond and scoop up as many buckets as you can haul away. You're also free to process, filter and purify that water to make it usable too. What you're paying for is the convenience of having the water delivered to your home in a usable condition. Which is where things are breaking down here. service is being paid for, but not delivered.


Without even looking at your profile, I can tell you don't ,live in a Western state. TFA is about West Virginia so yeah, there you probably can secure water in the way you describe, but that isn't true for a fairly decent chunk of the country.
 
M-G
2014-02-09 10:14:32 AM  
I'm not saying the company isn't screwing things up, but they print your meter reading on your bill, and you can go look at it yourself.
 
2014-02-09 10:16:19 AM  

Mister Peejay: EvilEgg: Maybe this will learn those inbred hicks that sometimes the Government is on your side.

I can sort of understand why a lot of these places are so anti-government, given that they keep voting in self-serving a-holes who are clearly anti-populace...


This is West Virgina. Look at the make up of their state government. I5 has been a Democrat majority flr close to 100 years. They are not anti government.
 
2014-02-09 10:16:46 AM  

buzzcut73: Bhags: Just 2 things, that as  I see it are fairly common sense and fair.

1. I see no reason for a company to raise its rates to compensate for situations like this. If the company is making a profit then they should be shouldering their own responsibility and not foisting off on the public...the customers that they serve. I realize that this is never going to happen, but this is how it should be. Can you imagine going in to your work tomorrow with a broken arm and telling your boss that he'll need to give you a raise to compensate for your medical costs? Oh, you have insurance through your work that actually already pays your medical expenses? Maybe not the best analogy but you can get my point on this.

2. Water may not be a constitutional right, but you don't necessarily need to get your water from the water company. You ARE free to go to the local river/creek/lake/pond and scoop up as many buckets as you can haul away. You're also free to process, filter and purify that water to make it usable too. What you're paying for is the convenience of having the water delivered to your home in a usable condition. Which is where things are breaking down here. service is being paid for, but not delivered.

Without even looking at your profile, I can tell you don't ,live in a Western state. TFA is about West Virginia so yeah, there you probably can secure water in the way you describe, but that isn't true for a fairly decent chunk of the country.


Yeah, a lot of the posters don't seem to realize that water, and water rights, are valuable real property.  They blithely post constitutional provisions protecting the owning persons and corporations' rights to their property - rather the basis of liberty to own what one owns.  Then assume somehow that they are quoting a nonexistent "right" of someone who needs another's people's property to take it from them at other than what the owner wants to charge, or if they don't want to sell.
 
2014-02-09 10:22:15 AM  

Lsherm: fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.

Water and electricity companies are government approved monopolies.  There's plenty to see here.


That's what happens when we the people "privatize" services we once owned.
 
2014-02-09 10:23:37 AM  

phrawgh: austin_millbarge: It's Ok the free market will come along any second and punish them for their misdeeds, right?

Of course. But if we over tax and/or over regulate these water companies, I fear they will relocate to India.


Bhopal perhaps?
 
2014-02-09 10:26:23 AM  

fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.


Being a public utility, their profits are pretty much controlled by a state public service commission that dictates what rates they may charge based upon said profits.  TMYK.
 
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