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(Think Progress)   WV Water company: "They can't hate us any more than they already do, right? So why NOT charge the public for the water needed to flush our contaminated water out of their systems, then refuse to issue the water credits we promised?"   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 147
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2014-02-09 12:03:20 AM  
Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.
 
2014-02-09 12:19:36 AM  

fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.


Why are people upset with the free market solutions?
 
2014-02-09 12:20:42 AM  

fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.


Water and electricity companies are government approved monopolies.  There's plenty to see here.
 
2014-02-09 01:30:50 AM  

SphericalTime: fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.

Why are people upset with the free market solutions?


Because they hate Jesus.
 
2014-02-09 02:31:45 AM  
It's Ok the free market will come along any second and punish them for their misdeeds, right?
 
2014-02-09 02:38:46 AM  
I wonder how the free market there would treat a guy who opened up a torches and pitchfork stand in WV.
 
2014-02-09 02:47:36 AM  
HABABABABABA-IF THE PRIVATIZED WATER COMPANY HAD BEEN ALLOWED TO HIRE CHILDREN TO DO THE WORK FOR 0.20/HR THIS WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM-HABABABABABABARRRRROOOOOOOO
 
2014-02-09 02:49:44 AM  

Great clown Pagliacci's pick-me-up: I wonder how the free market there would treat a guy who opened up a torches and pitchfork stand in WV.


It's being profitable, there were marches this weekend.
 
2014-02-09 02:51:38 AM  
No, the company is right...

This is probably Obama's fault, and the fault of other Lieburuls.
 
2014-02-09 02:56:12 AM  
Revolution's in five, boys. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
 
2014-02-09 03:01:24 AM  

SphericalTime: fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.

Why are people upset with the free market solutions?


Because deep down they really want to live in a socialist society.
 
2014-02-09 03:08:43 AM  

Cathedralmaster: Revolution's in five, boys. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.


photos1.blogger.com
 
2014-02-09 03:10:16 AM  
Yeah, good luck with that. The only, the ONLY, reason why they would ever reverse the charges is due to a shiat-ton more bad PR, and I wouldn't count on this story hitting the major TV news networks. They are your water supplier. Your sole supplier. I wouldn't be shocked that in the legal agreement there is a clause that lets them charge people accordingly for shiat that they have to fix, even if it is a 3rd party at fault. I would not be shocked that come a year or two from now we find out that a state politician is caught getting kickbacks from the water company in order to downplay this whole thing.

/has little faith in mankind
//or realistic. Pick one.
 
2014-02-09 03:11:47 AM  

RoxtarRyan: /has little faith in mankind
//or realistic. Pick one.


img.pandawhale.com
 
2014-02-09 03:13:30 AM  
The customers should just switch to a better water company.
 
2014-02-09 03:16:47 AM  
West Virginia's motto:  Rendering water undrinkable is job number one!

Don't worry. Other states can keep up with fracking and tarsands and shale oil extraction. Coal is not king in Alberta, after all. Why should it be in the Bakken oil shales?
 
2014-02-09 03:19:03 AM  
If you don't like the water, you dont have to buy the water.
 
2014-02-09 03:25:53 AM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: The customers should just switch to a better water company.


The city where I live only has one water company, and I've never really heard of cities having more than one to choose from.

Is this a new thing, more than one water company, like more than one electric company?
 
2014-02-09 03:36:30 AM  

strangeluck: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: The customers should just switch to a better water company.

The city where I live only has one water company, and I've never really heard of cities having more than one to choose from.

Is this a new thing, more than one water company, like more than one electric company?


Pretty sure that's the joke.
 
2014-02-09 03:38:07 AM  

strangeluck: The city where I live only has one water company, and I've never really heard of cities having more than one to choose from.


thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2014-02-09 03:39:56 AM  
We can hate you more, but it probably won't do any good.

Kind of like I hate Time Warner Cable, but I've got no choice with them, either.
 
2014-02-09 03:40:30 AM  
Water is not a constitutionally protected right.
 
2014-02-09 03:41:26 AM  
The water company may or may not be assholes, but people are getting worked up over not getting account credits for 1,000 gallons? National average cost for 1,000 gallons is two dollars. Who gives a damn?

/betteroffdead.jpg
 
2014-02-09 03:43:33 AM  

the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.


www.driversofchange.com
 
2014-02-09 03:45:23 AM  

LockeOak: The water company may or may not be assholes, but people are getting worked up over not getting account credits for 1,000 gallons? National average cost for 1,000 gallons is two dollars. Who gives a damn?

/betteroffdead.jpg


Lol, I almost repsponded, then I checked your bio.


2/10
/you could've done better
 
2014-02-09 03:45:33 AM  

the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.


Probably not; but it's one of the few things people have gone to war over right here in America (see: Johnson county war, etc.)
 
2014-02-09 03:47:25 AM  

the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.


Turn off the water and see what happens ...

The brains of Water Co. execs are hydrating too.
 
2014-02-09 03:51:35 AM  
The credits have obviously not been given, which is a huge mistake by the water company. However, I have to wonder if the contamination damaged the meters or caused misreadings on them. Considering that they were engineered to work only with city water and the spill had mystery ingredients, I would bet that every meter is farked and they used the previous year's reading (as they are required to by regulations if the meter breaks) to set the bills.

The company should just eat the cost and got to court against the polluter to recover the lost revenue and damaged meter replacement costs. Make it very public when they do it and drum up public support.
 
2014-02-09 04:00:16 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: The credits have obviously not been given, which is a huge mistake by the water company. However, I have to wonder if the contamination damaged the meters or caused misreadings on them. Considering that they were engineered to work only with city water and the spill had mystery ingredients, I would bet that every meter is farked and they used the previous year's reading (as they are required to by regulations if the meter breaks) to set the bills.

The company should just eat the cost and got to court against the polluter to recover the lost revenue and damaged meter replacement costs. Make it very public when they do it and drum up public support.


Any fluid flowing through the valve turns turns the meter at the same rate.

Although you could argue that the liquid measusred is not 100% water so it should not be charged at that rate.
 
2014-02-09 04:16:54 AM  

the_cnidarian: LockeOak: The water company may or may not be assholes, but people are getting worked up over not getting account credits for 1,000 gallons? National average cost for 1,000 gallons is two dollars. Who gives a damn?

/betteroffdead.jpg

Lol, I almost repsponded, then I checked your bio.


2/10
/you could've done better


i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-09 04:23:38 AM  

Lsherm: fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.

Water and electricity companies are government approved monopolies.  There's plenty to see here.


So are cable, phone and garbage companies.  Were you under the delusion that changes anything?

Oh man, have you got a lot to learn.
 
2014-02-09 04:23:44 AM  
i.imgur.com
Approves.


/obscure?
 
2014-02-09 04:28:20 AM  
Maybe this will learn those inbred hicks that sometimes the Government is on your side.
 
2014-02-09 04:34:37 AM  

EvilEgg: Maybe this will learn those inbred hicks that sometimes the Government is on your side.


I'm from the government,  I'm here to help.

*runs away screaming*
 
2014-02-09 04:48:25 AM  

Kahabut: Lsherm: fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.

Water and electricity companies are government approved monopolies.  There's plenty to see here.

So are cable, phone and garbage companies.  Were you under the delusion that changes anything?

Oh man, have you got a lot to learn.


You sure told us, Mr Cynical Realist.
 
2014-02-09 04:52:36 AM  

the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.


I think it's covered in the Declaration of Independence under the part about "Life". Liberty and the pursuit of happiness are, of necessity, secondary.
 
2014-02-09 05:02:23 AM  
I don't know what the fine folks at Volkswagon have done to piss everyone off.  It doesn't seem fair.
 
2014-02-09 05:11:39 AM  
And this is why socialism fails.
 
2014-02-09 05:17:25 AM  

austin_millbarge: It's Ok the free market will come along any second and punish them for their misdeeds, right?


Of course. But if we over tax and/or over regulate these water companies, I fear they will relocate to India.
 
2014-02-09 05:17:34 AM  

gerbilpox: [i.imgur.com image 405x304]
Approves.


/obscure?




Nope.
 
2014-02-09 05:20:15 AM  

the_cnidarian: Although you could argue that the liquid measusred is not 100% water so it should not be charged at that rate.


I don't know if you should go down that path. I'm sure there is someone at the water company who would argue that the price should go up because the chemicals are more expensive than water.
 
2014-02-09 05:21:49 AM  
There may be something to this. My neighbor and best friend had his last bill say that he used 3600 gallons in Jan. He didn't use that much in May when he filled his swimming pool. And this is with he and his wife not using the water for anything save flushing the toilet.

/his normal Jan. usage - around 900-1000 gallons
//me, I'm on a well... one of the few times I've been glad of that
///obligate third slashie
 
2014-02-09 05:28:31 AM  
Is everyone in this WV town still under a "double distill plus thumper" water order?
 
2014-02-09 05:41:04 AM  

the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.


Rights might be enumerated, but rights themselves are unconditional. Any time that a right is qualified ie civil rights, human rights, property rights, constitutional rights, reproductive rights, then what is actually being presented is a group of entitlements that a given society thinks everyone should have.

 
2014-02-09 05:42:22 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: SphericalTime: fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.

Why are people upset with the free market solutions?

Because they hate Jesus.


Jesus can change water into wine.  I'm sure he can change it back if he wants.
 
2014-02-09 05:45:32 AM  

RoxtarRyan: I would not be shocked that come a year or two from now we find out that a state politician is caught getting kickbacks from the water company in order to downplay this whole thing.


But it won't look like kickbacks.  It will look like First Amendment Corporations are People Here, Get Elected and Do What I Say Money.
 
2014-02-09 05:50:52 AM  

the_cnidarian: gozar_the_destroyer: The credits have obviously not been given, which is a huge mistake by the water company. However, I have to wonder if the contamination damaged the meters or caused misreadings on them. Considering that they were engineered to work only with city water and the spill had mystery ingredients, I would bet that every meter is farked and they used the previous year's reading (as they are required to by regulations if the meter breaks) to set the bills.

The company should just eat the cost and got to court against the polluter to recover the lost revenue and damaged meter replacement costs. Make it very public when they do it and drum up public support.

Any fluid flowing through the valve turns turns the meter at the same rate.

Although you could argue that the liquid measusred is not 100% water so it should not be charged at that rate.


Plus, if the company does anything that admits the water ain't 100% water, it hurts their case when they go to court and claim they provided 100% water.
 
2014-02-09 06:17:26 AM  

a_room_with_a_moose: There may be something to this. My neighbor and best friend had his last bill say that he used 3600 gallons in Jan. He didn't use that much in May when he filled his swimming pool. And this is with he and his wife not using the water for anything save flushing the toilet.

/his normal Jan. usage - around 900-1000 gallons
//me, I'm on a well... one of the few times I've been glad of that
///obligate third slashie


Your neighbor is lying to you.  A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons.  Is your neighbors pool that small?
 
2014-02-09 06:42:19 AM  

SphericalTime: fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.

Why are people upset with the free market solutions?


You fark anti-capitalist people are so stupid it hurts.

Go ahead. Tell me how this is in any way the fault of free market capitalism.
 
2014-02-09 06:49:04 AM  

Likwit: SphericalTime: fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.

Why are people upset with the free market solutions?

You fark anti-capitalist people are so stupid it hurts.

Go ahead. Tell me how this is in any way the fault of free market capitalism.

 
2014-02-09 06:49:07 AM  

Aquapope: Your neighbor is lying to you. A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons. Is your neighbors pool that small?


8 or 12' diameter (4' deep) circular pools are fairly common because they're cheap.  Those are both under 3600 gallons.
 
2014-02-09 06:49:49 AM  
Gah, it threw out my 'notsureifserious' gif...
 
2014-02-09 06:53:45 AM  

Likwit: You fark anti-capitalist people are so stupid it hurts.

Go ahead. Tell me how this is in any way the fault of free market capitalism.


The free market allowed the sale of the tank-owning company without an inspection of the tank.
The free market didn't examine the leaking tank for 20 years.
The people affected can only get their water from one source, so the free market doesn't apply.

Go ahead, tell me how the free market was harmed in this and how they would have done better.

//that's just off the top of my head.  The free market is why this is farked up.
 
2014-02-09 06:57:23 AM  

ReverendJasen: Aquapope: Your neighbor is lying to you. A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons. Is your neighbors pool that small?

8 or 12' diameter (4' deep) circular pools are fairly common because they're cheap.  Those are both under 3600 gallons.


That's not a pool.  That's a horse trough.
 
2014-02-09 06:58:02 AM  

Likwit: You fark anti-capitalist people are so stupid it hurts.

Go ahead. Tell me how this is in any way the fault of free market capitalism.


You don't even get the joke, and yet call everyone else stupid.  They're snarking on the fact that the "free market will fix everything!" is touted about as gospel and the reason to privatize *everything*, yet this is a prime example of where privatization cannot be helped by the awe inspiring powers of the free market and hurts the public as a result.

You can call me a dirty socialist, but some basic necessities of life should be administered by a civic branch of the government, and not a profit-driven corporation who doesn't give two shiats about the welfare of its customers because it has a de facto monopoly, and the public has no recourse other than to bend over and keep paying.
 
2014-02-09 07:06:04 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-09 07:06:40 AM  

AngryDragon: [i.imgur.com image 480x267]


oops.  wrong thread
 
2014-02-09 07:08:32 AM  
www.rogerwendell.com
 
2014-02-09 07:10:29 AM  

the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.


#include <amendment-ix.h>
 
2014-02-09 07:27:20 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.

#include <amendment-ix.h>


The Ninth Amendment doesn't grant or confer any rights. It simply notes that some other unspecified rights besides those noted in the constitution might exist.
 
2014-02-09 07:29:31 AM  
You have to let the natural crazies free market take care of it. Mass mail-out the home address and schedules of the company directors and their families to everyone in the state.

The system of releasing dangerously unhinged people into the community since the 80s will take care of the problem.
 
2014-02-09 07:33:45 AM  

Likwit: You fark anti-capitalist people are so stupid it hurts.

Go ahead. Tell me how this is in any way the fault of free market capitalism.


"Freedom" Industries dumped poison into the Elk River.

"Free market capitalism", so Fox Propaganda would have us believe, would have "Freedom" Industries evade responsibility for dumping poison into the Elk River.

"Free market capitalism", so Fox Propaganda would have us believe, means that a billionaire in possession of a large tank of poison has no responsibility for making sure that the poison stays in the tank.

"Free market capitalism", so Fox Propaganda would have us believe, means that if you dump poison into the Elk River, the rest of us have to deal with the consequences.

"Free market capitalism", so Fox Propaganda would have us believe, means that the plutocrats get the goldmine and the rest of us get the shaft.

"Party of personal responsibility" my ass.
 
2014-02-09 07:35:14 AM  

the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.


except for that pesky 14th amendment
 
2014-02-09 07:37:02 AM  

SwiftFox: Lee Jackson Beauregard: the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.

#include <amendment-ix.h>

The Ninth Amendment doesn't grant or confer any rights. It simply notes that some other unspecified rights besides those noted in the constitution might exist.


Amendment 14

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
 
2014-02-09 07:40:18 AM  

a_room_with_a_moose: There may be something to this. My neighbor and best friend had his last bill say that he used 3600 gallons in Jan. He didn't use that much in May when he filled his swimming pool. And this is with he and his wife not using the water for anything save flushing the toilet.

/his normal Jan. usage - around 900-1000 gallons
//me, I'm on a well... one of the few times I've been glad of that
///obligate third slashie


Your neighbors sound smelly.
 
2014-02-09 07:40:23 AM  

ReverendJasen: Likwit: You fark anti-capitalist people are so stupid it hurts.

Go ahead. Tell me how this is in any way the fault of free market capitalism.

You don't even get the joke, and yet call everyone else stupid.  They're snarking on the fact that the "free market will fix everything!" is touted about as gospel and the reason to privatize *everything*, yet this is a prime example of where privatization cannot be helped by the awe inspiring powers of the free market and hurts the public as a result.

You can call me a dirty socialist, but some basic necessities of life should be administered by a civic branch of the government, and not a profit-driven corporation who doesn't give two shiats about the welfare of its customers because it has a de facto monopoly, and the public has no recourse other than to bend over and keep paying.


Speaking of that, what the hell happened to things like the Anti-Combine Act and whatnot?

Oh wait, the laws are still on the books but the jobs and departments that were to regulate, prosecute and enforce them were cut/downsized. Because reasons.

Cripes, the freaking Romans had a Weights and Measures Enforcement department, two thousand years ago. They could execute people, and did.
 
2014-02-09 07:41:31 AM  
The spice must flow.
 
2014-02-09 07:42:27 AM  
1) Pay the bill
2) Having paid the bill, sue the crap out of the company for knowingly selling them poisoned product
3) Profit.
 
2014-02-09 07:47:29 AM  

Bungles: You have to let the natural crazies free market take care of it. Mass mail-out the home address and schedules of the company directors and their families to everyone in the state.

The system of releasing dangerously unhinged people into the community since the 80s will take care of the problem.


Pretty soon it won't be just the dangerously unhinged taking care of these problems.
 
2014-02-09 07:50:43 AM  

EvilEgg: Maybe this will learn those inbred hicks that sometimes the Government is on your side.


I can sort of understand why a lot of these places are so anti-government, given that they keep voting in self-serving a-holes who are clearly anti-populace...
 
2014-02-09 07:55:59 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Likwit: You fark anti-capitalist people are so stupid it hurts.

Go ahead. Tell me how this is in any way the fault of free market capitalism.

"Freedom" Industries dumped poison into the Elk River.

"Free market capitalism", so Fox Propaganda would have us believe, would have "Freedom" Industries evade responsibility for dumping poison into the Elk River.

"Free market capitalism", so Fox Propaganda would have us believe, means that a billionaire in possession of a large tank of poison has no responsibility for making sure that the poison stays in the tank.

"Free market capitalism", so Fox Propaganda would have us believe, means that if you dump poison into the Elk River, the rest of us have to deal with the consequences.

"Free market capitalism", so Fox Propaganda would have us believe, means that the plutocrats get the goldmine and the rest of us get the shaft.

"Party of personal responsibility" my ass.


Sounds like "free-market" capitalism can be just as damaging to the environment as Soviet communism was

/ both systems are/were ruled by sociopaths
 
2014-02-09 08:00:00 AM  

Bungles: You have to let the natural crazies free market take care of it. Mass mail-out the home address and schedules of the company directors and their families to everyone in the state.

The system of releasing dangerously unhinged people into the community since the 80s will take care of the problem.




The dismantling of the mental health facilities started in the late 50's early 60's. It was done because of one hospital being horribly run gaining a whole lot of press. Conservatives jumped on it to cut budgets, liberals embraced it saying that the halfway houses were more humane.

The closing of the final facilities in the 80s were part of a much linger trend of stupidity in America.
 
2014-02-09 08:03:21 AM  

Aquapope: a_room_with_a_moose: There may be something to this. My neighbor and best friend had his last bill say that he used 3600 gallons in Jan. He didn't use that much in May when he filled his swimming pool. And this is with he and his wife not using the water for anything save flushing the toilet.

/his normal Jan. usage - around 900-1000 gallons
//me, I'm on a well... one of the few times I've been glad of that
///obligate third slashie

Your neighbor is lying to you.  A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons.  Is your neighbors pool that small?


Yah. It's one of those 3.5 ft Wal Mart pools with the inflatable rim and we partially filled it with rainwater we had diverted off of his roof in the spring.
 
2014-02-09 08:06:14 AM  

a_room_with_a_moose: Aquapope: a_room_with_a_moose: There may be something to this. My neighbor and best friend had his last bill say that he used 3600 gallons in Jan. He didn't use that much in May when he filled his swimming pool. And this is with he and his wife not using the water for anything save flushing the toilet.

/his normal Jan. usage - around 900-1000 gallons
//me, I'm on a well... one of the few times I've been glad of that
///obligate third slashie

Your neighbor is lying to you.  A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons.  Is your neighbors pool that small?

Yah. It's one of those 3.5 ft Wal Mart pools with the inflatable rim and we partially filled it with rainwater we had diverted off of his roof in the spring.


Who the hell has A six meter deep pool In their yard? .
 
2014-02-09 08:08:11 AM  
What people don't seem to realize is that you have to pay for this anyhow, money doesnt just magically appear from nowhere. Whether you pay it now on your water bill, or the water company raises your rates next cycle to make up for the loss, it WILL come out of your own pocket... Because it has to come from somewhere, and the only place a water company gets its money, is from you.

So.. How about people stop being a nation of retarded sheep requiring that the powers that be pull the wool over your eyes and play numbers games to hide these truths from you, and you just accept that the situation sucks and move forward?

You have no other option.
 
2014-02-09 08:08:14 AM  

Gyrfalcon: We can hate you more, but it probably won't do any good.

Kind of like I hate Time Warner Cable, but I've got no choice with them, either.


Directv?
 
2014-02-09 08:10:40 AM  

simkatu: a_room_with_a_moose: There may be something to this. My neighbor and best friend had his last bill say that he used 3600 gallons in Jan. He didn't use that much in May when he filled his swimming pool. And this is with he and his wife not using the water for anything save flushing the toilet.

/his normal Jan. usage - around 900-1000 gallons
//me, I'm on a well... one of the few times I've been glad of that
///obligate third slashie

Your neighbors sound smelly.


No, just older with no kids and both travel for work.

You sound wasteful.

When I was on city water and lived alone, I frequently had months where I didn't hit the charge figure of 500 gal. per month and had to still pay for it (they charge you for a minimum amount, whether you have used it or not).

Not all of us use fresh water as if it grows on trees year round.
 
2014-02-09 08:12:07 AM  

Aquapope: a_room_with_a_moose: There may be something to this. My neighbor and best friend had his last bill say that he used 3600 gallons in Jan. He didn't use that much in May when he filled his swimming pool. And this is with he and his wife not using the water for anything save flushing the toilet.

/his normal Jan. usage - around 900-1000 gallons
//me, I'm on a well... one of the few times I've been glad of that
///obligate third slashie

Your neighbor is lying to you.  A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons.  Is your neighbors pool that small?


6 meters is pretty damn deep for a swimming pool
 
2014-02-09 08:14:28 AM  

NickelP: Who the hell has A six meter deep pool In their yard? .


US terms: ' is shorthand for feet, " for inches.

Though I think a 10x10x6 meter pool would be awesome.
 
2014-02-09 08:15:59 AM  

Aquapope: ReverendJasen: Aquapope: Your neighbor is lying to you. A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons. Is your neighbors pool that small?

8 or 12' diameter (4' deep) circular pools are fairly common because they're cheap.  Those are both under 3600 gallons.

That's not a pool.  That's a horse trough.


Yes. Everyone should have a huge pool in their backyard. I bet these losers clean their own horse troughs too! Only people who can afford a $20k pool should have one.
 
2014-02-09 08:25:15 AM  

cretinbob: SwiftFox: Lee Jackson Beauregard: the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.

#include <amendment-ix.h>

The Ninth Amendment doesn't grant or confer any rights. It simply notes that some other unspecified rights besides those noted in the constitution might exist.

Amendment 14

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


How does that not apply to gay dudes or lesbian ladies?
 
2014-02-09 08:26:35 AM  

NickelP: a_room_with_a_moose: Aquapope: a_room_with_a_moose: There may be something to this. My neighbor and best friend had his last bill say that he used 3600 gallons in Jan. He didn't use that much in May when he filled his swimming pool. And this is with he and his wife not using the water for anything save flushing the toilet.

/his normal Jan. usage - around 900-1000 gallons
//me, I'm on a well... one of the few times I've been glad of that
///obligate third slashie

Your neighbor is lying to you.  A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons.  Is your neighbors pool that small?

Yah. It's one of those 3.5 ft Wal Mart pools with the inflatable rim and we partially filled it with rainwater we had diverted off of his roof in the spring.

Who the hell has A six meter deep pool In their yard? .


Keith Moon.
 
2014-02-09 08:40:10 AM  

Alonjar: What people don't seem to realize is that you have to pay for this anyhow, money doesnt just magically appear from nowhere. Whether you pay it now on your water bill, or the water company raises your rates next cycle to make up for the loss, it WILL come out of your own pocket... Because it has to come from somewhere, and the only place a water company gets its money, is from you.

So.. How about people stop being a nation of retarded sheep requiring that the powers that be pull the wool over your eyes and play numbers games to hide these truths from you, and you just accept that the situation sucks and move forward?

You have no other option.


Without an Auditing of the Federal Reserve the money IS coming from nowhere and being sold as a debt with interest placing the populous in perpetual debt slavery because there is never enough physical money in the system to pay the debt.  The other option is a public utility free from interest but then the Powers that be can't take a mafia like cut of all the action, which why every individual or nation that tries to do that gets executed, assassinated, or invaded, even though it should be the other way around.  Any Nation that is running a central banking scam should be destroyed and they sell out leaders tarred and feathered.
 
2014-02-09 08:51:23 AM  
Utilities need to make a certain level of profit.  Many costs are already fixed so if usage declines then rates have to rise to make up for he loss of revenue.
 
2014-02-09 08:54:06 AM  

fusillade762: the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.

I think it's covered in the Declaration of Independence under the part about "Life". Liberty and the pursuit of happiness are, of necessity, secondary.


Nothing in the DoI is constitutionaly protected.
 
2014-02-09 08:54:23 AM  
flynn80:
Without an Auditing of the Federal Reserve the money IS coming from nowhere and being sold as a debt with interest placing the populous in perpetual debt slavery because there is never enough physical money in the system to pay the debt.

(stoppedreadingthere.jpg)

There is no such thing as physical money.  There never was.  All of the traditional forms of money only had value that was given them by the people who used it as money, whether it is chunks of metal or slips of cotton and linen with stuff printed on it or bits of data moving around when you swipe a piece of plastic.  It is all artificial.
 
2014-02-09 08:55:30 AM  

flynn80: Alonjar: What people don't seem to realize is that you have to pay for this anyhow, money doesnt just magically appear from nowhere. Whether you pay it now on your water bill, or the water company raises your rates next cycle to make up for the loss, it WILL come out of your own pocket... Because it has to come from somewhere, and the only place a water company gets its money, is from you.

So.. How about people stop being a nation of retarded sheep requiring that the powers that be pull the wool over your eyes and play numbers games to hide these truths from you, and you just accept that the situation sucks and move forward?

You have no other option.

Without an Auditing of the Federal Reserve the money IS coming from nowhere and being sold as a debt with interest placing the populous in perpetual debt slavery because there is never enough physical money in the system to pay the debt.  The other option is a public utility free from interest but then the Powers that be can't take a mafia like cut of all the action, which why every individual or nation that tries to do that gets executed, assassinated, or invaded, even though it should be the other way around.  Any Nation that is running a central banking scam should be destroyed and they sell out leaders tarred and feathered.


Oh, dear. You drank the polluted water, didn't you?
 
2014-02-09 08:59:59 AM  

SwiftFox: Lee Jackson Beauregard: the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.

#include <amendment-ix.h>

The Ninth Amendment doesn't grant or confer any rights. It simply notes that some other unspecified rights besides those noted in the constitution might exist.


Is that what the courts believe? If so, I can see why they would take that position, but it's obviously not why the amendment was originally included. The folks who made the Bill of Rights were scared that by enumerating some rights, future governments might interpret that to mean that those were the only rights protected and thus the only ones they needed to take seriously. The Ninth was included as an explicit guard against that. Those folks believed that other rights almost certainly existed and those rights obviously should be protected whether or not they were in the Constitution because they were, well, "rights."
 
2014-02-09 09:01:50 AM  

Alonjar: What people don't seem to realize is that you have to pay for this anyhow, money doesnt just magically appear from nowhere. Whether you pay it now on your water bill, or the water company raises your rates next cycle to make up for the loss, it WILL come out of your own pocket... Because it has to come from somewhere, and the only place a water company gets its money, is from you.


No. The loss is caused by Freedom Industries. They must pay. Why would the people pay for damages caused by Freedom Industries?
 
2014-02-09 09:08:08 AM  

Cheviot: Alonjar: What people don't seem to realize is that you have to pay for this anyhow, money doesnt just magically appear from nowhere. Whether you pay it now on your water bill, or the water company raises your rates next cycle to make up for the loss, it WILL come out of your own pocket... Because it has to come from somewhere, and the only place a water company gets its money, is from you.

No. The loss is caused by Freedom Industries. They must pay. Why would the people pay for damages caused by Freedom Industries?


IIRC, Freedom Industries filed for bankruptcy, so they won't have to pay anything.

Y'know, I bet some of the writers of the previous century would have a field day with this sort of thing.  Shame that nobody really reads books anymore.  Maybe if Upton Sinclair wrote for a reality TV show...
 
2014-02-09 09:23:36 AM  

fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.


Sort  of like Cosa Nostra LLC?
 
2014-02-09 09:36:25 AM  
You should try arguing with a government water system that your meter reading is wrong.

Here in Atlanta people had to go to the local news stations and have a second meter put inside the house after a plumber said there weren't any outside leaks that showed a discrepancy to even begin to have the water company listen.

I even went to the water company with brown tap water in a Tupperware container and got the 'it has some turbidity in it but it is safe according to our tests' line.

Not to mention a major water main leak that ran for years in the middle of a drought that they blamed on a spring. Apparently springs spontaneously show up during droughts.
 
2014-02-09 09:39:03 AM  
Just 2 things, that as  I see it are fairly common sense and fair.

1. I see no reason for a company to raise its rates to compensate for situations like this. If the company is making a profit then they should be shouldering their own responsibility and not foisting off on the public...the customers that they serve. I realize that this is never going to happen, but this is how it should be. Can you imagine going in to your work tomorrow with a broken arm and telling your boss that he'll need to give you a raise to compensate for your medical costs? Oh, you have insurance through your work that actually already pays your medical expenses? Maybe not the best analogy but you can get my point on this.

2. Water may not be a constitutional right, but you don't necessarily need to get your water from the water company. You ARE free to go to the local river/creek/lake/pond and scoop up as many buckets as you can haul away. You're also free to process, filter and purify that water to make it usable too. What you're paying for is the convenience of having the water delivered to your home in a usable condition. Which is where things are breaking down here. service is being paid for, but not delivered.
 
2014-02-09 09:46:42 AM  

Bhags: Just 2 things, that as  I see it are fairly common sense and fair.

1. I see no reason for a company to raise its rates to compensate for situations like this. If the company is making a profit then they should be shouldering their own responsibility and not foisting off on the public...the customers that they serve. I realize that this is never going to happen, but this is how it should be. Can you imagine going in to your work tomorrow with a broken arm and telling your boss that he'll need to give you a raise to compensate for your medical costs? Oh, you have insurance through your work that actually already pays your medical expenses? Maybe not the best analogy but you can get my point on this.

2. Water may not be a constitutional right, but you don't necessarily need to get your water from the water company. You ARE free to go to the local river/creek/lake/pond and scoop up as many buckets as you can haul away. You're also free to process, filter and purify that water to make it usable too. What you're paying for is the convenience of having the water delivered to your home in a usable condition. Which is where things are breaking down here. service is being paid for, but not delivered.


Without even looking at your profile, I can tell you don't ,live in a Western state. TFA is about West Virginia so yeah, there you probably can secure water in the way you describe, but that isn't true for a fairly decent chunk of the country.
 
M-G
2014-02-09 10:14:32 AM  
I'm not saying the company isn't screwing things up, but they print your meter reading on your bill, and you can go look at it yourself.
 
2014-02-09 10:16:19 AM  

Mister Peejay: EvilEgg: Maybe this will learn those inbred hicks that sometimes the Government is on your side.

I can sort of understand why a lot of these places are so anti-government, given that they keep voting in self-serving a-holes who are clearly anti-populace...


This is West Virgina. Look at the make up of their state government. I5 has been a Democrat majority flr close to 100 years. They are not anti government.
 
2014-02-09 10:16:46 AM  

buzzcut73: Bhags: Just 2 things, that as  I see it are fairly common sense and fair.

1. I see no reason for a company to raise its rates to compensate for situations like this. If the company is making a profit then they should be shouldering their own responsibility and not foisting off on the public...the customers that they serve. I realize that this is never going to happen, but this is how it should be. Can you imagine going in to your work tomorrow with a broken arm and telling your boss that he'll need to give you a raise to compensate for your medical costs? Oh, you have insurance through your work that actually already pays your medical expenses? Maybe not the best analogy but you can get my point on this.

2. Water may not be a constitutional right, but you don't necessarily need to get your water from the water company. You ARE free to go to the local river/creek/lake/pond and scoop up as many buckets as you can haul away. You're also free to process, filter and purify that water to make it usable too. What you're paying for is the convenience of having the water delivered to your home in a usable condition. Which is where things are breaking down here. service is being paid for, but not delivered.

Without even looking at your profile, I can tell you don't ,live in a Western state. TFA is about West Virginia so yeah, there you probably can secure water in the way you describe, but that isn't true for a fairly decent chunk of the country.


Yeah, a lot of the posters don't seem to realize that water, and water rights, are valuable real property.  They blithely post constitutional provisions protecting the owning persons and corporations' rights to their property - rather the basis of liberty to own what one owns.  Then assume somehow that they are quoting a nonexistent "right" of someone who needs another's people's property to take it from them at other than what the owner wants to charge, or if they don't want to sell.
 
2014-02-09 10:22:15 AM  

Lsherm: fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.

Water and electricity companies are government approved monopolies.  There's plenty to see here.


That's what happens when we the people "privatize" services we once owned.
 
2014-02-09 10:23:37 AM  

phrawgh: austin_millbarge: It's Ok the free market will come along any second and punish them for their misdeeds, right?

Of course. But if we over tax and/or over regulate these water companies, I fear they will relocate to India.


Bhopal perhaps?
 
2014-02-09 10:26:23 AM  

fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.


Being a public utility, their profits are pretty much controlled by a state public service commission that dictates what rates they may charge based upon said profits.  TMYK.
 
2014-02-09 10:32:21 AM  

Lsherm: fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.

Water and electricity companies are government approved monopolies.  There's plenty to see here.


Especially the inevitable side effect of choking off the ability of regulators to ensure the safety of such things as our water supply from private chemical companies.
 
2014-02-09 10:33:26 AM  

M-G: I'm not saying the company isn't screwing things up, but they print your meter reading on your bill, and you can go look at it yourself.


This. And won't it be the responsibility of the company responsible for the contamination to reimburse these people anyway?
 
2014-02-09 10:35:29 AM  

NickelP: a_room_with_a_moose: Aquapope: a_room_with_a_moose: There may be something to this. My neighbor and best friend had his last bill say that he used 3600 gallons in Jan. He didn't use that much in May when he filled his swimming pool. And this is with he and his wife not using the water for anything save flushing the toilet.

/his normal Jan. usage - around 900-1000 gallons
//me, I'm on a well... one of the few times I've been glad of that
///obligate third slashie

Your neighbor is lying to you.  A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons.  Is your neighbors pool that small?

Yah. It's one of those 3.5 ft Wal Mart pools with the inflatable rim and we partially filled it with rainwater we had diverted off of his roof in the spring.

Who the hell has A six meter deep pool In their yard? .


That's only 3.2808399 fathoms. Sounds about right
 
2014-02-09 10:38:29 AM  

Krab: Mister Peejay: EvilEgg: Maybe this will learn those inbred hicks that sometimes the Government is on your side.

I can sort of understand why a lot of these places are so anti-government, given that they keep voting in self-serving a-holes who are clearly anti-populace...

This is West Virgina. Look at the make up of their state government. I5 has been a Democrat majority flr close to 100 years. They are not anti government.


And if they are like Kentucky Democrats they aren't Democrats either.
 
2014-02-09 10:39:33 AM  

austin_millbarge: phrawgh: austin_millbarge: It's Ok the free market will come along any second and punish them for their misdeeds, right?

Of course. But if we over tax and/or over regulate these water companies, I fear they will relocate to India.

Bhopal Bo Paul perhaps?


Rand's brother
 
2014-02-09 10:43:50 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: You should try arguing with a government water system that your meter reading is wrong.

Here in Atlanta people had to go to the local news stations and have a second meter put inside the house after a plumber said there weren't any outside leaks that showed a discrepancy to even begin to have the water company listen.

I even went to the water company with brown tap water in a Tupperware container and got the 'it has some turbidity in it but it is safe according to our tests' line.

Not to mention a major water main leak that ran for years in the middle of a drought that they blamed on a spring. Apparently springs spontaneously show up during droughts.


I've not had the personal "pleasure" of battling w/ our local water company but we've had many who have.  The conversation goes like this:

Consumer: "OMG! My water bill went from $80 per quarter to $1,200 - WTF??"
Utility: "Prove you didn't use it"
C: "Here are my past bills - I've not added a waterpark in the back yard - WTF - I can't pay this!"
U: "It might be a leak. If the leak is between the meter and your home, it is your problem"
C: "I hired a plumber - there is no leak"
U: "Pay your bill"

rinse, repeat.  There are people who have faced bills of many thousands which, as most us know, would require a leak serious enough to swamp your home or a las-vegas-style water feature running at full bore in a tornado. The utility is a monopoly and hey? pay them first while they offer endless reasons why the problem isn't on their end......It's disgusting

as for tiny pools - some people don't want in-ground pools for varying reasons - quite a few are perfectly content to have an outdoor bathtub that isn't permanent.

as for WV? Any company that creates an environmental disaster that interrupts entire towns should not be afforded the protection of bankruptcy. Much as individuals sign an agreement of debt, these companies need to understand in the event of a f**kup they will be hounded with less mercy than a student with a late loan payment.  Don't have it? Too bad - and, like regular folk with bad credit, these companies (or, rather the individuals w/i them) should be denied the "good score" required to "borrow more" (open another company) without serious penalties and very tight operating perameters.

I know - never happen
 
2014-02-09 10:43:51 AM  

Tubesteak: NickelP: a_room_with_a_moose: Aquapope: a_room_with_a_moose: There may be something to this. My neighbor and best friend had his last bill say that he used 3600 gallons in Jan. He didn't use that much in May when he filled his swimming pool. And this is with he and his wife not using the water for anything save flushing the toilet.

/his normal Jan. usage - around 900-1000 gallons
//me, I'm on a well... one of the few times I've been glad of that
///obligate third slashie

Your neighbor is lying to you.  A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons.  Is your neighbors pool that small?

Yah. It's one of those 3.5 ft Wal Mart pools with the inflatable rim and we partially filled it with rainwater we had diverted off of his roof in the spring.

Who the hell has A six meter deep pool In their yard? .

That's only 3.2808399 fathoms. Sounds about right


Sure if you consider the original pool as a rectangle or square. What if it's an inverted pyramid with just the center point 6 meters?
 
2014-02-09 10:48:51 AM  

EvilEgg: Maybe this will learn those inbred hicks that sometimes the Government is on your side.


Says the person who apparently doesn't realize how the government response from all levels on this has been a gigantic cluterfark, rivaled only slightly by the original perpetuator of the crisis. Why did the various city, county, and state agencies not have a clue that this crap was there, much less have a mitigation plan, since the notifying paperwork was properly filed? Very few of the official responses to the spill was done with any coordination with the other agencies. Hell, the county & state departments of health are still contradicting each other over the safety of the water.

Guess it's not surprising,though - the guy in charge of the response for the state is the same guy who thinks a library in the middle of Clay County with four computers needs a $22,000 router to hook up to nonexistent fiber.

/Freedom still farked up in the first place.
//WV government has taken the baton from them and kept running.
 
2014-02-09 10:53:00 AM  

Krab: Mister Peejay: EvilEgg: Maybe this will learn those inbred hicks that sometimes the Government is on your side.

I can sort of understand why a lot of these places are so anti-government, given that they keep voting in self-serving a-holes who are clearly anti-populace...

This is West Virgina. Look at the make up of their state government. I5 has been a Democrat majority flr close to 100 years. They are not anti government.


Except the democrats here are gun-toting, god-fearing... Dixiecrats. For the most part, anyway.
 
2014-02-09 10:54:10 AM  

Bhags: Just 2 things, that as  I see it are fairly common sense and fair.

1. I see no reason for a company to raise its rates to compensate for situations like this. If the company is making a profit then they should be shouldering their own responsibility and not foisting off on the public...the customers that they serve. I realize that this is never going to happen, but this is how it should be. Can you imagine going in to your work tomorrow with a broken arm and telling your boss that he'll need to give you a raise to compensate for your medical costs? Oh, you have insurance through your work that actually already pays your medical expenses? Maybe not the best analogy but you can get my point on this.

2. Water may not be a constitutional right, but you don't necessarily need to get your water from the water company. You ARE free to go to the local river/creek/lake/pond and scoop up as many buckets as you can haul away. You're also free to process, filter and purify that water to make it usable too. What you're paying for is the convenience of having the water delivered to your home in a usable condition. Which is where things are breaking down here. service is being paid for, but not delivered.


Actually? I am not - my local waterway - in addition to being rife with mercury and other heavy metals - is bordered by private properties.  I guess I could ask my good neighbors to allow me access to their backyards in order to port poisoned water to my home, purify it (at my expense) etc - but then I am still paying (time/effort/purification).

I am close friends with a life-long employee of our local water company - and I don't mind the agreement we have - they provide clean water to my home, and I pay the rate they need to do so.

This WV thing, if I am not mistaken, has less to do with the water company initially than a container of "ick" that leaked INTO the type of waterway you suggest we use to circumvent the system.
 
2014-02-09 10:56:38 AM  

fusillade762: the_cnidarian: Water is not a constitutionally protected right.

I think it's covered in the Declaration of Independence under the part about "Life". Liberty and the pursuit of happiness are, of necessity, secondary.


* The Declaration of Independence
* The US Constitution

One of these confers constitutional rights. The other does not.

i651.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-09 11:22:45 AM  

Krab: Mister Peejay: EvilEgg: Maybe this will learn those inbred hicks that sometimes the Government is on your side.

I can sort of understand why a lot of these places are so anti-government, given that they keep voting in self-serving a-holes who are clearly anti-populace...

This is West Virgina. Look at the make up of their state government. I5 has been a Democrat majority flr close to 100 years. They are not anti government.


Democrat, Republican, doesn't matter.  Good ole' boy system knows no political affiliation.  It's a different turd in the same suit.
 
2014-02-09 11:23:46 AM  

Cheviot: No. The loss is caused by Freedom Industries. They must pay. Why would the people pay for damages caused by Freedom Industries?


OK.  So "Freedom Industries", a company whose entire revenue comes from billing water clients, must now pay for the damages.  Where is that money going to come from?  Hint:  the only place they get money from is your water bill.

I know, this is a terribly complicated thing... I'll give you a moment to let your problem solving skills go to work.

Step 1)  Be water company
Step 2)  Be on the hook for a bunch of money.
Step 3) Where do we get the money from to pay these damages?
Step 4)  Bill the clients who use your water services
Step 5) Pay damages.

YAY!  you may Freedom Industries pay the bill!  Congratulations.
 
2014-02-09 11:27:41 AM  
Seems like the solution would be for the water company to send freedom industries the water bills of everyone in the affected area for the month of January.  Why is that not acceptable?
 
2014-02-09 11:35:49 AM  

Alonjar: Cheviot: No. The loss is caused by Freedom Industries. They must pay. Why would the people pay for damages caused by Freedom Industries?

OK.  So "Freedom Industries", a company whose entire revenue comes from billing water clients, must now pay for the damages.  Where is that money going to come from?  Hint:  the only place they get money from is your water bill.

I know, this is a terribly complicated thing... I'll give you a moment to let your problem solving skills go to work.

Step 1)  Be water company
Step 2)  Be on the hook for a bunch of money.
Step 3) Where do we get the money from to pay these damages?
Step 4)  Bill the clients who use your water services
Step 5) Pay damages.

YAY!  you may Freedom Industries pay the bill!  Congratulations.


Uh, you realize Freedom Industries is a coal mining operation, right?
 
2014-02-09 11:36:51 AM  

Alonjar: Cheviot: No. The loss is caused by Freedom Industries. They must pay. Why would the people pay for damages caused by Freedom Industries?

OK.  So "Freedom Industries", a company whose entire revenue comes from billing water clients, must now pay for the damages.  Where is that money going to come from?  Hint:  the only place they get money from is your water bill.

I know, this is a terribly complicated thing... I'll give you a moment to let your problem solving skills go to work.

Step 1)  Be water company
Step 2)  Be on the hook for a bunch of money.
Step 3) Where do we get the money from to pay these damages?
Step 4)  Bill the clients who use your water services
Step 5) Pay damages.

YAY!  you may Freedom Industries pay the bill!  Congratulations.


I believe Freedom intends to file for bankruptcy
Perhaps what they should be forced to do is sell their assets and use the proceeds to defray damage-related costs to consumers (and I don't mean "pain and suffering" claims) - this would include any land they own

As long as corporations are allowed to skirt regulations, operate at a profit, cause damage and then foist the cost onto consumers they will continue shoddy practices.
 
2014-02-09 11:38:06 AM  

Dedmon: Lsherm: fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.

Water and electricity companies are government approved monopolies.  There's plenty to see here.

That's what happens when we the people "privatize" services we once owned.


If you don't understand how public utility companies work, you shouldn't post in the thread.
 
2014-02-09 11:38:15 AM  
Alonjar: Cheviot: No. The loss is caused by Freedom Industries. They must pay. Why would the people pay for damages caused by Freedom Industries?

OK.  So "Freedom Industries", a company whose entire revenue comes from billing water clients, must now pay for the damages.  Where is that money going to come from?  Hint:  the only place they get money from is your water bill.

What the hell are you talking about. Freedom Industries is "a full service producer of specialty chemicals for the mining, steel and cement industries."

They bill no water clients. They don't have any.

Get your facts straight before you're condescending to others, asshole.
 
2014-02-09 11:48:14 AM  

EvilEgg: Maybe this will learn those inbred hicks that sometimes the Government is on your side.


Learning?  In *my* inbred hicks?
 
2014-02-09 11:50:48 AM  
Dont worry, Big Corp.'s gonna take care of you!

This is just a foreshadowing of whats coming with the Keystone pipeline...
 
2014-02-09 12:11:38 PM  

Cheviot: Get your facts straight before you're condescending to others, asshole.


This is fark, I shall do as I please!

Furthermore, this is clearly the Republicans fault.
 
2014-02-09 12:21:26 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: SphericalTime: fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.

Why are people upset with the free market solutions?

Because they hate Jesus.


Can he walk on poisoned water? Because that would be a faith-based solution, as well as a toxic solution.
 
2014-02-09 12:24:56 PM  
Wait, why don't they charge the company that spilled the chemicals instead?
 
2014-02-09 12:44:04 PM  

cretinbob: [www.rogerwendell.com image 350x208]


Actually, this is the exact opposite. Utilities are government-approved monopolies.
 
2014-02-09 12:47:52 PM  
media1.giphy.com
 
2014-02-09 01:01:34 PM  

NickelP: Who the hell has A six meter deep pool In their yard? .


I changed 2 meter to 6' and farked up deleting the meter part.  But wouldn't you like to have a 6 meter deep pool in your back yard?  I would.
 
2014-02-09 01:04:39 PM  

oukewldave: Aquapope: ReverendJasen: Aquapope: Your neighbor is lying to you. A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons. Is your neighbors pool that small?

8 or 12' diameter (4' deep) circular pools are fairly common because they're cheap.  Those are both under 3600 gallons.

That's not a pool.  That's a horse trough.

Yes. Everyone should have a huge pool in their backyard. I bet these losers clean their own horse troughs too! Only people who can afford a $20k pool should have one.


a 20k pool isn't big.  A 2500 gallon pool is a stock tank.  My uncle will be pissed to know his property tax is going up now that his stock tank is a pool.
 
2014-02-09 01:09:41 PM  

oukewldave: Aquapope: ReverendJasen: Aquapope: Your neighbor is lying to you. A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons. Is your neighbors pool that small?

8 or 12' diameter (4' deep) circular pools are fairly common because they're cheap.  Those are both under 3600 gallons.

That's not a pool.  That's a horse trough.

Yes. Everyone should have a huge pool in their backyard. I bet these losers clean their own horse troughs too! Only people who can afford a $20k pool should have one.


Are you saying people who can't afford $20k pools should have them?  That's kind of fiscally irresponsible.
 
2014-02-09 01:15:44 PM  

RoxtarRyan: Yeah, good luck with that. The only, the ONLY, reason why they would ever reverse the charges is due to a shiat-ton more bad PR, and I wouldn't count on this story hitting the major TV news networks. They are your water supplier. Your sole supplier. I wouldn't be shocked that in the legal agreement there is a clause that lets them charge people accordingly for shiat that they have to fix, even if it is a 3rd party at fault. I would not be shocked that come a year or two from now we find out that a state politician is caught getting kickbacks from the water company in order to downplay this whole thing.

/has little faith in mankind
//or realistic. Pick one.


They don't care about bad PR - they are state-approved monopolies.
 
2014-02-09 01:16:08 PM  

Alonjar: Cheviot: No. The loss is caused by Freedom Industries. They must pay. Why would the people pay for damages caused by Freedom Industries?

OK.  So "Freedom Industries", a company whose entire revenue comes from billing water clients, must now pay for the damages.  Where is that money going to come from?  Hint:  the only place they get money from is your water bill.

I know, this is a terribly complicated thing... I'll give you a moment to let your problem solving skills go to work.

Step 1)  Be water company
Step 2)  Be on the hook for a bunch of money.
Step 3) Where do we get the money from to pay these damages?
Step 4)  Bill the clients who use your water services
Step 5) Pay damages.

YAY!  you may Freedom Industries pay the bill!  Congratulations.


Um.

"Freedom Industries" is a subsidiary of Koch Industries, and they were the chemical company that contaminated the water. Freedom Industries has now declared bankruptcy, and the Corporation that is replacing it is also a subsidiary of Koch Industries. All they did was wash their hands and change names, and legally absolve themselves of any responsibility for the contamination.
 
2014-02-09 01:23:24 PM  

ukexpat: They don't care about bad PR - they are state-approved monopolies.


True. Same thing applies to cable companies. "Don't like our policies/rates? Piss up a rope."
 
2014-02-09 01:32:12 PM  

Alonjar: Cheviot: Get your facts straight before you're condescending to others, asshole.

This is fark, I shall do as I please!

Furthermore, this is clearly the Republicans fault.


Actually, in a very real way it is.

Go anywhere in West Virginia, within say a 5 mile radius, and you'll run into a billboard (at least one) talking about obama s war on coal/business. It's gotten to the point in my state where big money republicans have the people so scared of coal, energy and other companies leaving the state we've become convinced that any government regulation regarding industry is a bad thing. And we can go back and forth all day on this, but what is factually undeniable is that if regular inspections of this and similar sites were allowed, this would. not. have. happened. Period.

So while freedom industries, the company, is to blame for running a shoddy operation, republican-backed anti-regulation is equally at fault
 
2014-02-09 01:44:55 PM  

ReverendJasen: Aquapope: Your neighbor is lying to you. A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons. Is your neighbors pool that small?

8 or 12' diameter (4' deep) circular pools are fairly common because they're cheap.  Those are both under 3600 gallons.


And you also don't fully drain them for winter. You put the winterizer in them and drain them about halfway (give or take), so it's roughly 1500-1800 gallons to fill it back up in May. Add another few hundred for cleaning before first use, and you still don't reach 3000 gallons, even with showers, laundry, dishwasher, and daily water use for cooking and such. At least, I never have in May.
 
2014-02-09 01:51:47 PM  

NickelP: a_room_with_a_moose: Aquapope: a_room_with_a_moose: There may be something to this. My neighbor and best friend had his last bill say that he used 3600 gallons in Jan. He didn't use that much in May when he filled his swimming pool. And this is with he and his wife not using the water for anything save flushing the toilet.

/his normal Jan. usage - around 900-1000 gallons
//me, I'm on a well... one of the few times I've been glad of that
///obligate third slashie

Your neighbor is lying to you.  A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons.  Is your neighbors pool that small?

Yah. It's one of those 3.5 ft Wal Mart pools with the inflatable rim and we partially filled it with rainwater we had diverted off of his roof in the spring.

Who the hell has A six meter deep pool In their yard? .


I think he meant feet. At least I hope so?

Mine's 4.5 feet deep, about 7 or 8 foot circumference, and above ground (because it's Oklahoma, and somebody did something smart for a change and buried the power lines and cable and telephone lines in case of tornadoes). Not too many in-ground pools around here because digging is likely to hit something--my entire yard is criscrossed with power and communication lines underground. But at least I had power and internet after the Moore tornado (which thankfully dissipated a mile away while I hid in my laundry cupboard) and even when my house took a direct hit from a little EF-1 on May 31, so I'm not complaining about having to have an above ground pool. :D
 
2014-02-09 02:13:47 PM  

itsaidwhat: Is everyone in this WV town still under a "double distill plus thumper" water order?


Yes, they still need a protocol droid that talks to the moisture collectors' binary language.

/wrong movie, I know.
 
2014-02-09 02:16:19 PM  

gerbilpox: [i.imgur.com image 405x304]
Approves.

/obscure?


Obscure?  On Fark?

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-02-09 02:25:37 PM  
I don't know if you guys can do it there, but around here, some people have water hauled in and put into storage tanks.

(You learn quickly just how much water you really use.)
 
2014-02-09 02:31:51 PM  

Alonjar: Cheviot: No. The loss is caused by Freedom Industries. They must pay. Why would the people pay for damages caused by Freedom Industries?

OK.  So "Freedom Industries", a company whose entire revenue comes from billing water clients, must now pay for the damages.  Where is that money going to come from?  Hint:  the only place they get money from is your water bill.

I know, this is a terribly complicated thing... I'll give you a moment to let your problem solving skills go to work.

Step 1)  Be water company
Step 2)  Be on the hook for a bunch of money.
Step 3) Where do we get the money from to pay these damages?
Step 4)  Bill the clients who use your water services
Step 5) Pay damages.

YAY!  you may Freedom Industries pay the bill!  Congratulations.


No. Freedom Industries is a chemical company.

The water utility is called American Water Company.

In a normal world, AWC should sue the pants off FI, its owners and the govt for neglect, instead of trying to pass the costs down to its customers.
 
2014-02-09 03:18:54 PM  

fusillade762: Kahabut: Lsherm: fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.

Water and electricity companies are government approved monopolies.  There's plenty to see here.

So are cable, phone and garbage companies.  Were you under the delusion that changes anything?

Oh man, have you got a lot to learn.

You sure told us, Mr Cynical Realist.


I'm terribly sorry for reality to have intruded into the fantasy world you wish existed.

Now fark off child.
 
2014-02-09 03:22:28 PM  

Parthenogenetic: gerbilpox: [i.imgur.com image 405x304]
Approves.

/obscure?

Obscure?  On Fark?


This. (I don't know what "this" is but I'm fer it.). Kind of a "Rosie the Riveter" meets "Pink" meets "Slim Pickens in Dr Strangelove". Heavy on the "strange love" for this one.
 
2014-02-09 04:26:04 PM  

ReverendJasen: Aquapope: Your neighbor is lying to you. A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons. Is your neighbors pool that small?

8 or 12' diameter (4' deep) circular pools are fairly common because they're cheap.  Those are both under 3600 gallons.


Besisdes. 6' meters? What's a foot meter?
 
2014-02-09 05:07:04 PM  

Alonjar: What people don't seem to realize is that you have to pay for this anyhow, money doesnt just magically appear from nowhere. Whether you pay it now on your water bill, or the water company raises your rates next cycle to make up for the loss, it WILL come out of your own pocket... Because it has to come from somewhere, and the only place a water company gets its money, is from you.

So.. How about people stop being a nation of retarded sheep requiring that the powers that be pull the wool over your eyes and play numbers games to hide these truths from you, and you just accept that the situation sucks and move forward?

You have no other option.


You're absolutely right. For several years Seattle City Light mistakenly charged its customers (me, for one) for something it wasn't supposed to, street lights, I think. Someone sued and the courts agreed with the plaintiff. A huge amount of money was awarded to the customers, with interest. So we got our money, plus interest, and then our bills were raised for the next two billing periods so the utility could recoup its outlay. The only people who got any money out of the deal were the attorneys (we paid them, too) and people who'd moved out of Seattle . . . and were no longer required to pay Seattle City Light bills.

What a ripoff.
 
2014-02-09 05:13:11 PM  

ransack.: Aquapope: a_room_with_a_moose: There may be something to this. My neighbor and best friend had his last bill say that he used 3600 gallons in Jan. He didn't use that much in May when he filled his swimming pool. And this is with he and his wife not using the water for anything save flushing the toilet.

/his normal Jan. usage - around 900-1000 gallons
//me, I'm on a well... one of the few times I've been glad of that
///obligate third slashie

Your neighbor is lying to you.  A 10'x10' pool 6' meters deep is about 4500 gallons.  Is your neighbors pool that small?

6 meters is pretty damn deep for a swimming pool


Look again, those are not your ordinary 6' (foot) meters. I'm pretty sure those are the big meters. They are AmeroEuro meters -- six feet, 39.4 inches. I've seen some when traveling through Texas.
 
2014-02-09 06:04:39 PM  

itsaidwhat: Parthenogenetic: gerbilpox: [i.imgur.com image 405x304]
Approves.

/obscure?

Obscure?  On Fark?

This. (I don't know what "this" is but I'm fer it.). Kind of a "Rosie the Riveter" meets "Pink" meets "Slim Pickens in Dr Strangelove". Heavy on the "strange love" for this one.


TANK GIRL!
 
2014-02-09 06:26:52 PM  

fusillade762: Private company simply trying to maximize profits for their stockholders. Nothing to see here.


And there is the issue. When private investors invest, they should expect to lose money as well as gain money. That's what "investing" actually is - gambling. You are not guaranteed a return on the money you put in.
We're having this issue with the San Onofre Nuke plant in southern california. The investors want the ratepayers (those who pay their electric bills) to foot the cost of dismantling the nuclear plant that they chose to "invest" in. No, no, and f*ck no.

I'm paying for a product, in this case electricity. The circumstances of how that product get to me are not my concern, nor is it my problem when the means provided for the production of that product break down. The people running the water plant should have simply shut off the taps when it was shown that these chemicals were in their systems, and sought recovery of lost revenue, the cost of trucked-in water for their customers, and the cleaning of their systems from the assholes that dumped the chemicals in the water. The customers have no financial duty in any of this.

If you choose to invest in a corporation with the prospect of making money, fine... but you should be prepared also to either make less money than projected or to lose money. If you can't deal with that, don't "invest".
 
2014-02-09 11:13:33 PM  

Alonjar: asshole


Alonjar: Cheviot: Get your facts straight before you're condescending to others, asshole.

This is fark, I shall do as I please!



Methinks he's confused you with his mother.
 
2014-02-10 04:06:51 AM  
I think we need the
www.lasertimepodcast.com
 
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