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(Science Daily)   Wal-Mart moves in, crime goes up. You can't explain that   (sciencedaily.com) divider line 140
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2014-02-08 09:01:05 PM
yes you can. when people have shiatty jobs, or no jobs at all, they will steal to feed their kids. mystery solved.
 
2014-02-08 09:04:13 PM
Yes, Wal-Mart's crimes are legion.
 
2014-02-08 09:05:34 PM
done in 1
 
2014-02-08 09:05:43 PM
There are a lot of reasons to hate on Wal Mart, but this is kind of reaching. I'd rather focused on how poorly they treat their employees and how they cause local business to close because they can't compete on price.
 
2014-02-08 09:06:45 PM
Well, their employees have to make ends meet somehow.
 
2014-02-08 09:07:14 PM
Well how else are walmart employees supposed to eat?
 
2014-02-08 09:10:02 PM
Walmart moves in, jobs go down, too.
 
2014-02-08 09:10:27 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Well, their employees have to make ends meet somehow.


/shakes fist
I wouldve beat you if I wasn't farking on my cell while on a business call.
 
2014-02-08 09:12:06 PM
Wal-Mart is the most responded to location by police in our county. I think it's like, 6 calls per day.
 
2014-02-08 09:12:40 PM
Poverty and crime are related!?!?!
 
2014-02-08 09:13:16 PM
Hmm...I read the article and no where does it say crime rates rose when WalNutz came to town.


FTMFA:

Once Wal-Mart counties were matched with non-Wal-Mart counties based on crime rates and economic and demographic factors, the researchers found that the retailer's growth stunted what otherwise could have been greater drops in crime.

I have no love for WM but subby is either trolling for a few bites or failed at reading comprehension.
 
2014-02-08 09:14:16 PM
How many those 2300 non-Walmart-expansion counties were rural?  Over half of Kansas counties (for instance) are under 10k, and basically none of them have a Walmart.  If you have a Walmart, it's because someone actually lives there.

If you have a bent for the criminal, a county under 10k isn't exactly prime territory.  Someone will recognize you.  You can't fence anything within the county because someone will say, "Hey, this is Joe's car".  There's meth and other drug dealing, I guess, but the opportunities are a little limited.
 
2014-02-08 09:14:48 PM
Walmart buys land to build on in the shiattier areas probably because it's easier to get zoning permits and the immediate neighbors are less apt to complain and some rube elected officials might give them some breaks on property taxes because of the low wage jobs walmart offers. That's probably why their presence coincides with crime and poverty not that they are creating it by radiating evil, although that is a strong second in my explanation of this study.
 
2014-02-08 09:16:38 PM

Enormous-Schwanstucker: Hmm...I read the article and no where does it say crime rates rose when WalNutz came to town.


FTMFA:

Once Wal-Mart counties were matched with non-Wal-Mart counties based on crime rates and economic and demographic factors, the researchers found that the retailer's growth stunted what otherwise could have been greater drops in crime.

I have no love for WM but subby is either trolling for a few bites or failed at reading comprehension.


Subby can't read.
 
2014-02-08 09:17:38 PM

Enormous-Schwanstucker: Hmm...I read the article and no where does it say crime rates rose when WalNutz came to town.


FTMFA:

Once Wal-Mart counties were matched with non-Wal-Mart counties based on crime rates and economic and demographic factors, the researchers found that the retailer's growth stunted what otherwise could have been greater drops in crime.

I have no love for WM but subby is either trolling for a few bites or failed at reading comprehension.


Wal-Mart moves in, crime goes up stops dropping. You can't explain that

Happy now?

/as if anyone with more than two brain cells needed to be told that Walmart proliferation would lead to higher incidences of crime
 
2014-02-08 09:20:29 PM
No change in my neighborhood.  With a Wal-Mart 0.5 miles away, the only thing it changed is the frequency of me wearing house slippers to the store.
 
2014-02-08 09:21:38 PM
One of these days I'll have to look up crime stats for my hometown.  In August they moved the Walmart from the south end (near two big projects) to the east end (near a less than good area but without a project within sight).  Wondering how the crime stats changed.

\know they're still Walmart, as evidenced by a Prius parked in between handicapped spots, who couldn't be convinced that they were in the wrong
 
2014-02-08 09:22:26 PM

DBrandisNC: Wal-Mart is the most responded to location by police in our county. I think it's like, 6 calls per day.


Don't they have nuisance laws about stuff like that ie. bars?
 
2014-02-08 09:23:36 PM
If it was a crime wave, we can explain that, Subby O'Reilly.
 
2014-02-08 09:23:57 PM
Demographics...how do they work?
 
2014-02-08 09:25:05 PM
Correlation, causation, etc.
 
2014-02-08 09:26:25 PM
"If the corporation built a new store, there were 17 additional property crimes and 2 additional violent crimes for every 10,000 persons in a county."

Crimes against the new Walmart store (that the "corporation" built), no doubt.
 
2014-02-08 09:27:31 PM

rev. dave: No change in my neighborhood.  With a Wal-Mart 0.5 miles away, the only thing it changed is the frequency of me wearing house slippers to the store.


F**k that - I'm sick of having to get all dressed up to go to Walmart.
 
2014-02-08 09:29:11 PM
These err 'Men' are raising the 'crime of nature' by a bazillion.

i.imgur.com
/At least the buttcrack is covered.
 
2014-02-08 09:29:27 PM

Lawnchair: How many those 2300 non-Walmart-expansion counties were rural?  Over half of Kansas counties (for instance) are under 10k, and basically none of them have a Walmart.  If you have a Walmart, it's because someone actually lives there.

If you have a bent for the criminal, a county under 10k isn't exactly prime territory.  Someone will recognize you.  You can't fence anything within the county because someone will say, "Hey, this is Joe's car".  There's meth and other drug dealing, I guess, but the opportunities are a little limited.


So, there are more criminals in more densely populated areas?  And a greater degree of anonymity makes it easier to get away with stuff?  You don't say.
 
2014-02-08 09:29:37 PM
so is it Wal-Mart depress the local economy so much people turn to crime, or is it that the people who're likely to commit crime get attracted to the area because of Wal-Mart

did not read the whole article
 
2014-02-08 09:32:22 PM

some_beer_drinker: yes you can. when people have shiatty jobs, or no jobs at all, they will steal to feed their kids. mystery solved.


It's guys like you that let criminals like Jean Valjean run loose.
 
2014-02-08 09:36:19 PM
I wonder if the same people that rail against Wal-Mart own IPhones and Nikes.
 
2014-02-08 09:36:48 PM

un4gvn666: Enormous-Schwanstucker: Hmm...I read the article and no where does it say crime rates rose when WalNutz came to town.


FTMFA:

Once Wal-Mart counties were matched with non-Wal-Mart counties based on crime rates and economic and demographic factors, the researchers found that the retailer's growth stunted what otherwise could have been greater drops in crime.

I have no love for WM but subby is either trolling for a few bites or failed at reading comprehension.

Wal-Mart moves in, crime goes up stops dropping. You can't explain that

Happy now?

/as if anyone with more than two brain cells needed to be told that Walmart proliferation would lead to higher incidences of crime



Me, happy? No, not at all. Did you read and comprehend the article? This isn't some pedantic argument pointing out spelling errors.

Another few sentences from the MFA:


Wolfe and Pyrooz say the reason why Wal-Mart lessens a decline in crime is a complex question not easily answered by data typically available. Their findings didn't reveal that Wal-Mart growth corresponded with increases in poverty, economic disadvantage or other factors associated with crime.

The decline is there, just not as much. Plus they speculate rather heavily with zero analysis or data to back up any of those suppositions. 

Really? Is that so difficult to understand?
 
2014-02-08 09:39:06 PM
Employees have o make ends meet somehow.
 
2014-02-08 09:40:52 PM
Correlation causes causation.
 
2014-02-08 09:40:53 PM

Enormous-Schwanstucker: Hmm...I read the article and no where does it say crime rates rose when WalNutz came to town.


FTMFA:

Once Wal-Mart counties were matched with non-Wal-Mart counties based on crime rates and economic and demographic factors, the researchers found that the retailer's growth stunted what otherwise could have been greater drops in crime.

I have no love for WM but subby is either trolling for a few bites or failed at reading comprehension.


Welcome to Fark!  You just described what this site is.
 
2014-02-08 09:43:03 PM
i306.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-08 09:45:23 PM
#oforshiatsake Researchers say they can't explain why Wal-Mart lessens crime declines, and in the same article reveal that "Wal-Mart tended to expand in counties with higher than average crime rates."

"Counties with more social capital -- citizens able and willing to speak up about the best interests of the community -- tend to have lower crime rates," Pyrooz says. "Counties with more crime may have less social capital and, therefore, less ability to prevent Wal-Mart from building."

AND LESS ABILITY TO REDUCE CRIME, ye great thumpin' NUMPTIES!

Was "great thumpin' numpties" too harsh?  How about "disingenuous farks?"
 
2014-02-08 09:50:11 PM

BarkingUnicorn: #oforshiatsake Researchers say they can't explain why Wal-Mart lessens crime declines, and in the same article reveal that "Wal-Mart tended to expand in counties with higher than average crime rates."

"Counties with more social capital -- citizens able and willing to speak up about the best interests of the community -- tend to have lower crime rates," Pyrooz says. "Counties with more crime may have less social capital and, therefore, less ability to prevent Wal-Mart from building."

AND LESS ABILITY TO REDUCE CRIME, ye great thumpin' NUMPTIES!

Was "great thumpin' numpties" too harsh?  How about "disingenuous farks?"



You said great thumpin numpties twice.


whynotboth.jpg
 
2014-02-08 09:50:25 PM
walmart produces alot of litter too, go to a walmart and see how many shopping bags you see at the end of the parking lot
 
2014-02-08 09:51:47 PM
"If the corporation built a new store, there were 17 additional property crimes and 2 additional violent crimes for every 10,000 persons in a county."

I would guess most or all of those were just what Walmart experienced in shoplifting.
 
2014-02-08 09:52:36 PM
Wal-Mart will set up a tittie bar next to McD's. That will solve a lot of probems.
 
2014-02-08 09:53:04 PM

skinink: There are a lot of reasons to hate on Wal Mart, but this is kind of reaching. I'd rather focused on how poorly they treat their employees and how they cause local business to close because they can't compete on price.


That would pretty much explain why crime went up, actually.
 
2014-02-08 09:53:50 PM

Headso: Walmart buys land to build on in the shiattier areas probably because it's easier to get zoning permits and the immediate neighbors are less apt to complain and some rube elected officials might give them some breaks on property taxes because of the low wage jobs walmart offers. That's probably why their presence coincides with crime and poverty not that they are creating it by radiating evil, although that is a strong second in my explanation of this study.


Not any more.  Increasing gas prices and tightening paychecks are pushing just enough people to make multiple short runs to stores rather than one big trip to a place hell and gone from where they live.

They're focusing on their "Neighborhood Markets" inside cities now, and might even start closing super centers.   What those towns are going to do with their empty super centers is a mystery to me (especially when many still have their vacant old regular walmart).
 
2014-02-08 09:59:21 PM
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2014-02-08 10:00:04 PM
ts3.mm.bing.net
 
2014-02-08 10:03:01 PM
The article did not say that crime rose in places where Wal-Mart builds, it decreased slower. How the hell do you get the two confused?

My bet is that Wal-Mart is associated with the lower class, which is stereotypically crime prone.
 
2014-02-08 10:06:00 PM
Forgot pic:

www.slate.com

Freakin' poors man.
 
2014-02-08 10:06:46 PM

super_grass: The article did not say that crime rose in places where Wal-Mart builds, it decreased slower. How the hell do you get the two confused?

My bet is that Wal-Mart is associated with the lower class, which is stereotypically crime prone.


Crime goes down slower = crime going up relative to places where it is going down faster. Ergo, if you are a news station in need of ratings: WALMART MAKES CRIME GO UP!!!!
 
2014-02-08 10:09:36 PM

haywatchthis: walmart produces alot of litter too, go to a walmart and see how many shopping bags you see at the end of the parking lot


Wal-mart should do as Sav-A-Lot does:  charge 3 cents for a regular plastic bag, 10 cents for larger, sturdier plastic bags, $1.29 for a woven bag intended for reuse.  Poor people shop at Sav-A-Lot, too, and I noticed most of them brought their own bags or did without.

Sav-A-Lot clerks don't even bag your shiat, they just ring it up and put it back in the cart for you to deal with.

Sav-A-Lot's an interesting company:  a whole supermarket that looks like the groceries aisle of a dollar store, with brands you've never heard of and prices that make you feel foolish for shopping at Kroger or King Soopers.  Employee-owned, too.
 
2014-02-08 10:11:33 PM

skinink: There are a lot of reasons to hate on Wal Mart, but this is kind of reaching. I'd rather focused on how poorly they treat their employees and how they cause local business to close because they can't compete on price.


So...you'd rather focus on how WM causes crime to go up instead of how WM causes crime to go up?
 
2014-02-08 10:11:54 PM
There's a part in 'The High Cost Of Low Prices: The Walmart Story" where they were discussing just how infamous Walmart is for shoddy security outside of their stores, and how criminals know this. The courts, police and local officials nationwide have cracked down on them several times for that. To boot, there are an average of 200 cameras inside each one, yet only one (often unmanned) camera in each parking lot.

BTW, link to that Walmart doc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jazb24Q2s94
Pretty good one, and I'm picky as hell about docs.
 
2014-02-08 10:19:08 PM

taxandspend: It also has a McDonald's inside the store and another one in the parking lot for good measure.


lol.

Seriously?

/McDonalds knows where the fatties live and shop.
 
2014-02-08 10:24:29 PM
CSB: My car got broken into with my wallet sitting on the seat some years back.  Before I cancelled the cards the perp went to WalMart.  Went to their finance center, or whatever they call it, and charged out something like eight prepaid cash cards for like $300 each.  Best part?  Not only do I have "SEE ID" on the back of the card, which the teller did not do FOR A HUGE PURCHASE THAT TRANSLATES CREDIT INTO WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY CASH IN HAND, but I have an obviously male, obviously Scandinavian name.  I've never met anyone with this name that wasn't a white male.  Their video showed the person that went to the counter to fraudulently use the card WAS BLACK AND FEMALE.  The fact the perp/perps would send in a black female to charge a card with that name on it, and to make such a huge and suspicious transaction, tells me they were quite certain that no questions would be asked.

The cop that did my report told me that was a fairly common scenario in that part of town.  Smash and grab, get to WalMart, charge out a bunch of cash cards, hit the highway, quickly spend them in a nearby city before they get cancelled.  They're right near the I90 and I94 intersection.  Within an hour, less time than it takes to get the cash cards cancelled, they could be spending them anywhere from Rockford, to Janesville, to Milwaukee, to the Dells.

Point of that CSB?  The fact that people working there are so poorly trained, or just don't care enough to act in a competent manner, or management will jump on them for slowing down the transactions by doing things properly, sorta attracts a criminal element.
 
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