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(WAVY Virginia)   Disgusting child pornographer caught and charged for tweeting nude pictures of innocent 16-year-old girl   (wavy.com) divider line 55
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2014-02-08 09:32:52 AM  
7 votes:
It's quite the legal system where one person can be both the perpetrator and the victim.
2014-02-08 08:53:04 AM  
6 votes:
This is bullshiat. It dilutes the meaning of a sex crime conviction, much like tarring someone for life over public urination.
2014-02-08 12:40:20 PM  
4 votes:
17 years, 365 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes: You are a degenerate, perverted, maladjusted sicko deviant freak for looking at this female's nude body. You are a disgusting, demented blight on society for considering sexual thoughts about her. And she cannot understand or grasp the ramifications of or be held responsible for decisions regarding her own sexual activity.

One minute later: It's normal and accepted to lust after her and want to sex her. The woman now immediately develops all of the mental and emotional skills to handle sex and her sexuality. Game on.

Makes total sense.
2014-02-08 11:56:16 AM  
3 votes:

ZeroCorpse: When did we as a nation become so freaked out by naked adolescents?


Where have you been?  We are freaked out by EVERYTHING.

Terrorists, porn, drugs, abortions, guns, gay marriage, big government, small government, pedophile priests, pedophile teachers, vaccines, not getting vaccinated, GMOs, meat-eaters, gluten, peanuts, free trade, tariffs, unions, "right-to-work", privacy, PATRIOT, Gitmo, teen pregnancy, sex education, religion, atheism, the 1%, zero-tolerance, crime, standardized testing, charter schools, home schooling, College tuition costs, not getting a degree, unemployment, HOAs, LGBT people, rednecks, gangbangers, illegal aliens, H1B workers, taxes, reduced government services, cruise ships, H1N1, and the Illuminati.

The 24-hour news cycle and its consolidation into a few hands has screwed up our national character completely.  We get whipped up by a point issue and immediately demand something be done, even if we have no concept of the impact.

It's OK though.  It's All For The ChildrenTM.
2014-02-08 11:44:02 AM  
3 votes:
So actresses who are under 18 years of age can appear naked in a movie (Brooke Shields, Thora Birch, Keira Knightley, Jodie Foster's sister) and as long as it's not sexual in nature (no penetration, oral contact, sexualized touching, etc.) it's perfectly legal and can be distributed nationwide without a single prosecution.

But a 16-year-old takes a naked selfie and suddenly we have to prosecute her to protect her from herself because she's a child pornographer?!  How does this make any sense?

When did we as a nation become so freaked out by naked adolescents? Nudity does not equal sex. There was no sexual assault here. There was no sexual misconduct here. What good is it going to do to treat a girl like a sex offender for something as benign as take a naked picture of herself?

I'm pretty sure NOBODY watched American Beauty and then turned into an ephebophile and ran around victimizing teenage girls because Thora Birch showed the world her breasts.

It's time the laws were changed. Nudity should be decriminalized. If there's no sex, no penetration, no blatant sexual conduct in the photo (touching, spreading, inserting, etc.) then it's just a picture of a human body. It's only sexual if you look upon with sexual desire, and that falls on the viewer; Not the subject or the photographer.

YES, protect adolescents and kids from pornography. Don't let them be the subject of pornographic imagery or video... But nudity is not pornographic.

Now, if the girl posted a photo of herself with a dildo shoved halfway in... Well, then she needs some counseling and probably needs to have her camera and social networking taken away for a while. But if it's just some topless shots? Spare the girl, stop obsessing over nudity, and spend the time and energy to prosecute real predators, like the boys in Steubenville and millions like them across the country.
2014-02-08 09:45:24 AM  
3 votes:
So nudity = pornography and a 16-year-old is a "child"? Really?

We've really gone overboard on this sh*t. Jesus. . . .
2014-02-08 04:27:06 PM  
2 votes:

skinink: This way it makes the DA look tough on any type of supposed crime.


Most Prosecutors get a nice rush of serotonin when they hurt someone.
2014-02-08 12:58:31 PM  
2 votes:
Thanks to the NSA, the feds must have the largest collection of teen porn in the world.
2014-02-08 11:58:46 AM  
2 votes:

yakmans_dad: Nudity is not pornography.


FTA, it says that because of the lewdness of the photos, that it had to be upgraded to pornography from normal sexting.

Not that I'm defending this bullshiat, but I wonder what was so "lewd"? Was it something more than mere nudity?

As someone said in a marijuana thread, if the punishment of the "crime" is orders of magnitude more damaging than the act itself, then the law is insanely unjust.
m00
2014-02-08 11:54:48 AM  
2 votes:

ZeroCorpse: So actresses who are under 18 years of age can appear naked in a movie (Brooke Shields, Thora Birch, Keira Knightley, Jodie Foster's sister) and as long as it's not sexual in nature (no penetration, oral contact, sexualized touching, etc.) it's perfectly legal and can be distributed nationwide without a single prosecution.

But a 16-year-old takes a naked selfie and suddenly we have to prosecute her to protect her from herself because she's a child pornographer?!  How does this make any sense?


Who is going to legally prosecute Hollywood? Underage actresses can probably appear naked in a Hollywood movie even if it's sexual in nature. They can appear in fashion shows and American Eagle catalogs. On the cover of rock albums. Media corporations with very good lawyers on retainer can make stuff that is worse than what's considered child porn for everyone else.

But no DA anywhere in the US is going to bring charges against Hollywood, the fashion industry, advertisement and media conglomerates. The cost to the DA's office to get a win from such a trial would cripple the budget. But some random teen who takes a selfie, yeah that's an easy conviction and +1 to the "tough crime" statistics.
2014-02-08 11:37:53 AM  
2 votes:

rwhamann: This is bullshiat. It dilutes the meaning of a sex crime conviction, much like tarring someone for life over public urination.


GOOD thing that most of the child porn laws are written just as poorly.
Change them or charge her.

WHAT if it were her 15yo boyfriend taking the photos?
Would you want to charge him too?

OUR country is retarded when it comes to teenage sex.
The laws are written by morons who have forgotten that they all had sex when they were teens and would have taken pics if they could have.
2014-02-08 11:37:17 AM  
2 votes:

The One True TheDavid: From Wikipedia:

"The age of consent in Virginia is 18, with a close-in-age exception that allows teenagers aged 15 to 17 to engage in sexual acts but only with a partner younger than 18."

So she is old enough to masturbate, barely.


Ok, so according to that law, there could be a couple, aged 16 and 17, who could legally have sex. But then, the minute the older one turns 18 it would suddenly be illegal?

Seems like somebody didn't think this all the way through...
2014-02-08 10:29:46 AM  
2 votes:

MechaPyx: sendtodave: dangelder: "I don't think she should be charged with child pornography, because she is a child herself, but if she was 18 or older of course," said parent Emily Altman.

But if she was 18 or older of course, what? It wouldn't be child pornography then, would it?

What if her photos were two years old?

Then she is well and truly farked.


Yep.

Interesting, though, that a person doesn't have the right to show their own body.  I guess they don't really own it until they are 18.
2014-02-08 10:27:17 AM  
2 votes:

MechaPyx: Back in the day we'd just take away her phone and ground her for a week or two. Sheesh.



www.lostrepublic.us
2014-02-08 09:57:20 AM  
2 votes:

generallyso: It's quite the legal system where one person can be both the perpetrator and the victim.


That's how drug laws work.
2014-02-08 09:44:07 AM  
2 votes:
This is a perfect situation for them to make what I consider to be the bullshiat legal Daily Double.

Let us see if they:
A) do decide to prosecute her for child pornography and
B) decide to try her as an adult.

That would just make my farking year, and it is only February.
2014-02-09 09:18:41 AM  
1 votes:

namatad: rwhamann: This is bullshiat. It dilutes the meaning of a sex crime conviction, much like tarring someone for life over public urination.

GOOD thing that most of the child porn laws are written just as poorly.
Change them or charge her.

WHAT if it were her 15yo boyfriend taking the photos?
Would you want to charge him too?

OUR country is retarded when it comes to teenage sex.
The laws are written by morons who have forgotten that they all had sex when they were teens and would have taken pics if they could have.


This...
2014-02-09 12:36:22 AM  
1 votes:
FTFA: Williams-Ortery said other teens should be aware that they stand to get in trouble for pictures of this nature.

Of this nature. Of this nature. Has everyone forgot that the human body is of nature? No. Her 16 year old body is dirty ugly sinful and a crime. Make her a sex offender for life for thinking her body is nature and beautiful.
m00
2014-02-08 05:57:26 PM  
1 votes:

Need_MindBleach: The point is, people can literally be getting raped, and numbnuts will be okay with it in the name of political correctness. I think it's the same sort of braindead thinking that leads to children being charged with production of child pornography for taking pictures of themselves.


Yep! and imagined the tortured logic that puts a 16 year old girl in rape-land for taking pictures of herself. Because... and wait for it... 16 year old girls are fragile creatures, people who take pictures of 16 year old girls need to be punished for victimizing children. She victimized herself by taking nude pictures of herself!!! RAPE HER!!!

That is seriously 700 AD middle eastern justice.

In both cases, it's a justice system which is the result of "punish women for having sex" / sex-is-a-sin style moralizing.
2014-02-08 03:52:33 PM  
1 votes:
I've never understood the line of thought on this one. She can't consent to the photos because she's too young to understand the implications, but she can understand the implications to be charged as though she had intent?
2014-02-08 02:24:21 PM  
1 votes:
They started doing this (charging the child with distributing child pornography) in Pennsylvania a few years ago and finally came to their senses and stopped this bullshiat bogus prosecution to "scare kids straight".

This crap is usually about an over-zealous, over-religious local prosecutor who is a self-aggrandizing asshat, not about helping children or protecting society.. The Police/Commonwealth's Attorney can't win a case against a real criminal, so they pick on a kid.

They should be ashamed.

/but they won't be
2014-02-08 01:51:47 PM  
1 votes:

DreadnaughtZeta: Ok, so according to that law, there could be a couple, aged 16 and 17, who could legally have sex. But then, the minute the older one turns 18 it would suddenly be illegal?

Seems like somebody didn't think this all the way through...


Yes, absolutely.

A seventeen-year-old girl dated a 15-year-old girl while in high school. When the seventeen-year-old girl turned 18 the younger girl's parents went after her as a pedophile.
2014-02-08 01:46:14 PM  
1 votes:

whither_apophis: Thanks to the NSA, the feds must have the largest collection of teen porn in the world.


Not only are they in possession of it, but they have tasks forces soliciting it from children. (have a seat over there)

Whats the penalty for that, huh? HUH?
2014-02-08 01:24:09 PM  
1 votes:
Everyone who masturbates before the age of 18 needs to be arrested for child molestation.
2014-02-08 12:09:29 PM  
1 votes:

Cortez the Killer: yakmans_dad: Nudity is not pornography.

FTA, it says that because of the lewdness of the photos, that it had to be upgraded to pornography from normal sexting.

Not that I'm defending this bullshiat, but I wonder what was so "lewd"? Was it something more than mere nudity?

As someone said in a marijuana thread, if the punishment of the "crime" is orders of magnitude more damaging than the act itself, then the law is insanely unjust.


That is entirely the point of bullies writing "laws".
2014-02-08 12:07:24 PM  
1 votes:
"Police  say the teen crossed the line of sexting to child porn because of the lewdness of the photos."

What the hell, legally, does that even mean?  It's either a legal nude or illegal child porn. Are they creating some third, middle level out thin air?
2014-02-08 11:39:33 AM  
1 votes:

ununcle: I remember back in the AOL days there was some website that listed known "sex offenders". It was like a Google map type thing and if you moused over the tag it gave the names and address of the said offender. At the time I lived across the street from a high school. I could not believe there were like 20 within a several mile radius of my house and hundreds throughout the city.. I sat my daughter down (She was 14 or 15 at the time) down and explained that this is why she was to come home right after school and not hang out at the park or Dunkin Doughnuts. It was years later I found out that urinating in public (not on a bus, but behind a tree) got you classified as a sex offender. It's become a farkin witch hunt plain and simple. I wonder how much money the state makes from this shiate.


WORSE
How many lives are ruined by this shiat. Seriously.
Stop calling streaking and public exposure a sex crime.

Didnt some kid get charged recently for mooning a school bus? LOL
SEX CRIME!

/we are so retarded
2014-02-08 11:33:19 AM  
1 votes:

yakmans_dad: vygramul: yakmans_dad: Nudity is not pornography.

I suggest you let the police know of your collection and see what they say about it.

There really seems to be a confusion here beyond the usual facetiousness.

Pornography demands the depiction of a sexual act. The body isn't pornographic.

(And breast feeding isn't  a sexual act. To nip that in the bud, so to speak, since that tangent is often mentioned.)


Pornography is in the mind of the beholder, same as beauty. A thing is not pornography, only in the mind.
If some money grubbing a$$wipe claiming to KNOW GOD has told/convinced you to hate your body "because god said so", then pornography, pornography everywhere!

pity the fool
2014-02-08 11:32:04 AM  
1 votes:
So we're all agreed, then, we let children drive cars and allow them a chance to hit us and kill us on the roads.

What I'm saying is: Don't give out driver's licenses until people turn 18. :)  I want the "kids" off the road.

This is no joke! I dislike having to share the road with children who should be home playing with Duplo building blocks.

/heh
2014-02-08 11:31:02 AM  
1 votes:
I remember back in the AOL days there was some website that listed known "sex offenders". It was like a Google map type thing and if you moused over the tag it gave the names and address of the said offender. At the time I lived across the street from a high school. I could not believe there were like 20 within a several mile radius of my house and hundreds throughout the city.. I sat my daughter down (She was 14 or 15 at the time) down and explained that this is why she was to come home right after school and not hang out at the park or Dunkin Doughnuts. It was years later I found out that urinating in public (not on a bus, but behind a tree) got you classified as a sex offender. It's become a farkin witch hunt plain and simple. I wonder how much money the state makes from this shiate.
2014-02-08 11:18:15 AM  
1 votes:
/The best part of being a teen was all the free sex.
// When everyone got a job, lots of that just went away.


I don't think it was jobs. I think it's the realization -- around age 22 or 23 --  that Sex isn't Everything (or even all that much) and do you really want to get intimate with bozos.
2014-02-08 11:18:01 AM  
1 votes:

jaylectricity: It won't be long before today's sexting teens will be tomorrows lawyers and lawmakers. It's just a transitional period, much like when blacks were first allowed to ride in the front of the bus.


"The Internet is evil" is basically "video games are evil" 20 years ago and "heavy metal is evil" 30 years ago.

People who are in the generation using those things say "meh".
2014-02-08 11:15:50 AM  
1 votes:

Alphakronik: There is no better way of teaching young women about responsibility and modesty than to make the register as a sex offender for the rest of their lives, and take away their ability to be around children.


What happens if a female sex offender gets pregnant and has a child?  Isn't that like dividing by zero?
2014-02-08 11:11:31 AM  
1 votes:

vygramul: yakmans_dad: vygramul: yakmans_dad: Nudity is not pornography.

I suggest you let the police know of your collection and see what they say about it.

There really seems to be a confusion here beyond the usual facetiousness.

Pornography demands the depiction of a sexual act. The body isn't pornographic.

(And breast feeding isn't  a sexual act. To nip that in the bud, so to speak, since that tangent is often mentioned.)

Like I said - feel free to test the system. *Parents* have lost custody of children for a month while untangling the legal hassles from having bathtub pics of their kids. If you were a stranger to the kids, I wouldn't want money riding on your staying out of jail.



I didn't believe you but a cursory Google search says that you don't want to mess with Texas. (Alhough the dates of the articles are from 2008 and 2009. Things may have changed.) But, to be fair to Texas, that prosecutor seems to be the Texas equivalent to Sherriff Joe.

So, I will amend my statement with an implicit Texas footnote. I just imagine a map where the edge of the known world is the Texas border and in the white space beyond that in 17th century script, "Here Be Assholes".
2014-02-08 11:06:01 AM  
1 votes:
What happens if she had used her head shot and photo shopped it with someone else's nude body who was over 18 yo?
2014-02-08 10:56:42 AM  
1 votes:

vygramul: yakmans_dad: Nudity is not pornography.

I suggest you let the police know of your collection and see what they say about it.


There really seems to be a confusion here beyond the usual facetiousness.

Pornography demands the depiction of a sexual act. The body isn't pornographic.

(And breast feeding isn't  a sexual act. To nip that in the bud, so to speak, since that tangent is often mentioned.)
2014-02-08 10:42:59 AM  
1 votes:

sendtodave: MechaPyx: sendtodave: dangelder: "I don't think she should be charged with child pornography, because she is a child herself, but if she was 18 or older of course," said parent Emily Altman.

But if she was 18 or older of course, what? It wouldn't be child pornography then, would it?

What if her photos were two years old?

Then she is well and truly farked.

Yep.

Interesting, though, that a person doesn't have the right to show their own body.  I guess they don't really own it until they are 18.


Unless there is a draft.
2014-02-08 10:22:21 AM  
1 votes:
"I don't think she should be charged with child pornography, because she is a child herself, but if she was 18 or older of course," said parent Emily Altman.

But if she was 18 or older of course, what? It wouldn't be child pornography then, would it?
2014-02-08 10:19:29 AM  
1 votes:

yakmans_dad: Nudity is not pornography.


ANOTHER SICKO DEFENDING CHILD PORN.

If nudity isn't pornography, why do they cover up dongs in art with fig leaves, hmm?

Of course nudity is pornography!
2014-02-08 10:15:58 AM  
1 votes:

markfara: So nudity = pornography and a 16-year-old is a "child"? Really?

We've really gone overboard on this sh*t. Jesus. . . .


She's only a child when she is the victim.

When she's the perpetrator, she's an adult.

This is how she can be doth the victim and the accused.

Also, because our legal system is as broken as any third world shiathole's, and we refuse to admit it.
2014-02-08 10:15:01 AM  
1 votes:
i.telegraph.co.uk

Hai Guyz!
2014-02-08 10:14:07 AM  
1 votes:
Nudity is not pornography.
2014-02-08 10:13:51 AM  
1 votes:
Back in the day we'd just take away her phone and ground her for a week or two. Sheesh.
2014-02-08 10:10:37 AM  
1 votes:
Another perfect example of the relative minor "violation" used to nuke someone's life.
Christian Taliban at work, terrorizing and farking the very children you bear, "for their own good".

Yea, for their own good.
2014-02-08 10:04:45 AM  
1 votes:
FTFA: "...in the juvenile system this young woman and her parents could be ordered to complete a Sexting Education program. But there's also the chance this could end up in court as a criminal matter with jail time as a possibility."

I don't even know where to start. Our sex offender laws are so messed up. A teen makes a bad choice, which could bring unwanted attention and possibly harm to her and our system will make sure she's punished for it, really?
"Sexting" should never have been added to the dictionary.
Are the cops going to track down everyone who received the photo, even if unsolicited, and charge them with possession of child pornography? Will they and their parents have to complete a Sexting Education program?
2014-02-08 09:45:18 AM  
1 votes:
Police  say the teen crossed the line of sexting to child porn because of the lewdness of the photos.

So she's a dirty, dirty girl . . .

So what?

/adults over-reacted like the asshats they usually are.
2014-02-08 09:40:37 AM  
1 votes:
I am going to need to see these so called "pics"... you know, for investigative purposes... or it didn't happen.
2014-02-08 09:38:10 AM  
1 votes:
newsbusters.org
2014-02-08 09:33:06 AM  
1 votes:

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Ten to one, the DA quietly drops the charges.


If there was a way to take you up on the bet, I would, I bet they still bring her up on charges just to they can offer her a plea where she does something equivalent to community service and has probation for up to a year. But no jail time. This way it makes the DA look tough on any type of supposed crime.
2014-02-08 09:29:25 AM  
1 votes:

oukewldave: AngryDragon: "A school resource officer was notified, and spoke with the teen and her mother. "

The schools have officially gone full retard.  WTF?

Not just the schools, the idiot who decided they needed to notify the school resource officer is also retarded.  Just rub one out, talk behind her back, and call it a day.  That's the end of it.


The idiot was probably another girl, who either previously had a grudge or was jealous of the attention.

/she still might've rubbed one out, if that helps
2014-02-08 09:28:49 AM  
1 votes:

jaylectricity: It won't be long before today's sexting teens will be tomorrows lawyers and lawmakers. It's just a transitional period, much like when blacks were first allowed to ride in the front of the bus.


Except they won't be allowed into law school due to their prior convictions.
2014-02-08 09:25:20 AM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: "A school resource officer was notified, and spoke with the teen and her mother. "

The schools have officially gone full retard.  WTF?


Not just the schools, the idiot who decided they needed to notify the school resource officer is also retarded.  Just rub one out, talk behind her back, and call it a day.  That's the end of it.
2014-02-08 09:17:09 AM  
1 votes:
Dumbass tag busy holding the camera?
2014-02-08 09:01:59 AM  
1 votes:
It won't be long before today's sexting teens will be tomorrows lawyers and lawmakers. It's just a transitional period, much like when blacks were first allowed to ride in the front of the bus.
2014-02-08 08:55:43 AM  
1 votes:
Posting a porno pic of a child can ruin their lives and do irreperable harm to them, so if they do it, we'll send them to jail and make them register as a sex offender for the rest of their lives.
 
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