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(Complex)   Mortal Kombat has done more for video games than Street Fighter ever did. Fatality   (complex.com) divider line 104
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2014-02-08 08:52:02 AM  
imgace.com
 
2014-02-08 09:12:20 AM  
Does that website pay by the word?  The editorial said the same thing over and over and over again.

I'm a compulsive reader, like I will sit down and read a dictionary or menu front to back compulsive;  so eventually I had to rip my own spine out of my back to make it stop.
 
2014-02-08 09:13:19 AM  
I owned a Genesis back in the day (sigh I even bought the 32X and Sega CD) but I never felt more superior over my Nintendo brethren than when Mortal Kombat actually had red blood on our console.
 
2014-02-08 09:15:21 AM  

brap: Does that website pay by the word?  The editorial said the same thing over and over and over again.

I'm a compulsive reader, like I will sit down and read a dictionary or menu front to back compulsive;  so eventually I had to rip my own spine out of my back to make it stop.


HARA KIRI!
 
2014-02-08 09:34:04 AM  

brap: Does that website pay by the word?  The editorial said the same thing over and over and over again.

I'm a compulsive reader, like I will sit down and read a dictionary or menu front to back compulsive;  so eventually I had to rip my own spine out of my back to make it stop.


Don't read Nate Silver's book.
 
2014-02-08 09:55:49 AM  
Here's a long-form article from a couple of years ago on the history of the Mortal Kombat franchise. It's not quite as deep as the incredible look at Street Fighter that we saw earlier this week (thanks, whoever you were!), but it's good stuff nonetheless.
 
2014-02-08 10:11:19 AM  
Chun Li.

Advantage: Street Fighter.
 
2014-02-08 10:16:55 AM  

RexTalionis: Don't read Nate Silver's book.


That guy might know his statistics but he has all the writing ability of a WalMart cashier. Stick with Taleb, he'll call the numbers bullshiat and you'll feel better about only vaguely knowing what's going on.
 
2014-02-08 11:09:42 AM  

RockofAges: it's pretty farking obvious that

i am a Street Fighter fanboy.

seriously, dude, I love both series, but come on.  at least MK tried to make it look like you were hitting your opponent.  In SF, one uppercut is a 42 hit combo.
 
2014-02-08 11:17:32 AM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNqiFNbnXZs

@ 12:20 until the end of the video. :D
 
2014-02-08 11:30:57 AM  

Son of Thunder: Chun Li.

Advantage: Street Fighter.


scary 4-armed lady = automatic loss for MK
 
2014-02-08 11:32:35 AM  
Meh, I prefer Soul Caliber.
 
2014-02-08 11:50:21 AM  

Mentalpatient87: Meh, I prefer Soul Caliber.

 
2014-02-08 11:53:37 AM  

Son of Thunder: Chun Li.

Advantage: Street Fighter.



hmmmm

media.eventhubs.com

or

turtlecave.files.wordpress.com


I'm gonna need about 20 mins or so to decide.
 
2014-02-08 12:01:06 PM  
I never could handle Mortal Kombat because i had to push a button to block
 
2014-02-08 12:04:14 PM  
No, Mortal Kombat is an overrated game. Sure, I play it once in a while, but, no saying that game did more for video games than SFII is like saying plain Cheerios did more for our childhoods' sugar rushes than Lucky Charms.

By the time MK arrived on the scene, all the groundwork had been laid and the only thing the game added was shock value and everyone knows it.
 
2014-02-08 12:06:36 PM  

RockofAges: Street Fighter II was ten times the game that Mortal Kombat (or any sequel) was. At the time, it seemed a pretty even draw in terms of fandom -- but let's get real. The years have passed and if you look back at the actual mechanics / gameplay, it's pretty farking obvious that SF is a much superior game. Responsiveness of controls (reliability of controls), hit detection -- the main things in a fighter -- SF just destroys MK at.

If you stripped the games down to "blocks and lines" and removed the "dark, cool / fatalities" from the table entirely, this becomes even more obvious.

Now, the newer games are different, but only speaking of the "iconic" titles, it's a runaway.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-08 12:07:07 PM  
Did MK launch and define the genre?  No?  ok then.

/fan of both series
 
2014-02-08 12:09:26 PM  
GET OVER HERE!!!
 
2014-02-08 12:17:48 PM  

kkinnison: I never could handle Mortal Kombat because i had to push a button to block


holding "back" on a d-pad or joystick is exactly the same as pushing a button to block.

the opposite of charity is justice: Did MK launch and define the genre? No? ok then.


at least MK tried to innovate and do different things.  I like SF and all, but every single one of the games are exactly the same at their core.
 
2014-02-08 12:24:20 PM  

kkinnison: I never could handle Mortal Kombat because i had to push a button to block


You blocked in Mortal Kombat? I thought that button was just to make more fatality button combinations in MK 3 Ultimate.

/TOASTY!
 
2014-02-08 12:36:42 PM  
Blanka is shocked...says, "bite me"


Guile flips over the audacity of it.


Dhalsim thinks you're stretching things a biatchun-li gets a kick out of your absurdity.


Zangief slams your comments.


Ken & Ryu have a ball laughing about how wrong you are.


Honda biatch-slaps you silly for suggesting it.
 
2014-02-08 12:38:58 PM  

rogue49: Blanka is shocked...says, "bite me".

Guile flips over the audacity of it.

Dhalsim thinks you're stretching things a biatchun-li gets a kick out of your absurdity.

Zangief slams your comments.

Ken & Ryu have a ball laughing about how wrong you are.

Honda biatch-slaps you silly for suggesting it.


Friggin' editor...
 
2014-02-08 12:39:03 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: RockofAges: Street Fighter II was ten times the game that Mortal Kombat (or any sequel) was. At the time, it seemed a pretty even draw in terms of fandom -- but let's get real. The years have passed and if you look back at the actual mechanics / gameplay, it's pretty farking obvious that SF is a much superior game. Responsiveness of controls (reliability of controls), hit detection -- the main things in a fighter -- SF just destroys MK at.

If you stripped the games down to "blocks and lines" and removed the "dark, cool / fatalities" from the table entirely, this becomes even more obvious.

Now, the newer games are different, but only speaking of the "iconic" titles, it's a runaway.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 224x256]


while Karate Champ led the way and was awesome in the early 80's, my favorite is Yie Ar Kung Fu. I put a lot of quarters in both.

www.hardcoregaming101.net

A good write up on the game is here:
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/yiearkungfu/yiearkungfu.htm

/image hot like a Star and Fan lovefest
 
2014-02-08 12:43:30 PM  
That "article" read like a Freshman Composition assignment. But hey, the web needs content, and I read it.

I've always been partial to Mortal Kombat.

/Am really glad that I decided NOT to get that large chest tattoo of the MK symbol that I once thought would be soooo cool. I got better.
 
2014-02-08 12:46:34 PM  
Seriously, did anyone read the article? He says Street Fighter is the better game (a sentiment I may disagree with when you get to MK3+). He says Street Fighter is the better series. He says Street Fighter did more for fighting games.

But Street Fighter didn't get national headlines and outrage, Street Fighter didn't bring in the ESRB rating system (that affects EVERY game not just fighting games) and Street Fighter didn't push the idea that there may be games that are not for kids (reinforcing that games can be for adults). Mortal Kombat STILL grabs more headlines than Street Fighter. MK 2011 was on Fox, the Daily Show and MSNBC. Those same stations probably don't even know that Street Fighter is still around, no matter how good SSFIV Arcade Edition (or the ULTIMATE version coming soon) is.

Plus don't act like it didn't garner attention in the gaming community. There are probably just as many MK ripoffs and SF ripoffs.

/also NRS rocks
 
2014-02-08 12:47:38 PM  
And here I was thinking movies.

For games, preferred Tekken but the last console I owned was the NES. Mostly played in arcades and I liked the panda. Never had the mind to remember the combos, my dyslexia screwed me up all the time. Tekken was easy, just move the stick in a circular motion and mash buttons and something cool would happen, usually to the dismay of the guys who focused on specific combos and couldn't predict just what I was going to do. That never seemed to work with MK and SF.

/Time Killers was also cool.
//arcade preserved my sanity during my mall job days
///don't care what "defined a genre" I will always prefer that Aerosmith shooter game to all others for example, even though it was "derivative."
 
2014-02-08 12:51:25 PM  
Aye, right.

www.ironicconsumer.com
 
2014-02-08 12:56:21 PM  

frepnog: RockofAges: it's pretty farking obvious that i am a Street Fighter fanboy.

seriously, dude, I love both series, but come on.  at least MK tried to make it look like you were hitting your opponent.  In SF, one uppercut is a 42 hit combo.


Lie harder....

frepnog: at least MK tried to innovate and do different things.  I like SF and all, but every single one of the games are exactly the same at their core.


LOL, on the other hand, please don't. You look ridiculous.

SanjiSasuke: But Street Fighter didn't get national headlines and outrage, Street Fighter didn't bring in the ESRB rating system (that affects EVERY game not just fighting games) and Street Fighter didn't push the idea that there may be games that are not for kids (reinforcing that games can be for adults). Mortal Kombat STILL grabs more headlines than Street Fighter. MK 2011 was on Fox, the Daily Show and MSNBC. Those same stations probably don't even know that Street Fighter is still around, no matter how good SSFIV Arcade Edition (or the ULTIMATE version coming soon) is.


So Mortal Kombat did mostly negative things for video games? Because I don't see how "national outrage" and "getting the ESRB instated" are objectively good things. Heck, even subjectively, they're pretty arguably negative.

And LOL at "MK still grabs more headlines on dumb outragey news shows!!" being a positive.
 
2014-02-08 01:06:51 PM  
Oh and in general, the article is extremely US centric. Mortal Kombat did diddly squat for games in Japan, so how could it have done more than Street Fighter?

Street Fighter not only made Capcom into a juggernaut. It also solidified the SNES, which not unlike the Wii U, 3DS and other Nintendo consoles, had a lukewarm reception, but once it got exclusive console rights for SFII it exploded and the SFII cart is the highest selling SNES cart not made by Nintendo (It's the fourth overall) and combined with the Turbo and SUPER versions sold an astounding 12.3 million units.

So, by making Capcom a big player and making a success of the SNES, they helped define gaming forever.

Street Fighter also inspired SNK to make tons of cool fighters.

It also helped Capcom get the Marvel license and launch another incredibly successful franchise. MVC2 was the most played game of the 2000s in America.
 
2014-02-08 01:25:24 PM  
I sold my soul to Smash Brothers.
 
2014-02-08 01:32:06 PM  
Mortal Kombat was the game to get the ball rolling on making violence a sticking point in gaming across all genres. Street Fighter, while a juggernaut, only really affected its particular genre.  Generally speaking of course.
 
2014-02-08 01:32:33 PM  

rocky_howard: frepnog: RockofAges: it's pretty farking obvious that i am a Street Fighter fanboy.

seriously, dude, I love both series, but come on.  at least MK tried to make it look like you were hitting your opponent.  In SF, one uppercut is a 42 hit combo.

Lie harder....

frepnog: at least MK tried to innovate and do different things.  I like SF and all, but every single one of the games are exactly the same at their core.

LOL, on the other hand, please don't. You look ridiculous.

SanjiSasuke: But Street Fighter didn't get national headlines and outrage, Street Fighter didn't bring in the ESRB rating system (that affects EVERY game not just fighting games) and Street Fighter didn't push the idea that there may be games that are not for kids (reinforcing that games can be for adults). Mortal Kombat STILL grabs more headlines than Street Fighter. MK 2011 was on Fox, the Daily Show and MSNBC. Those same stations probably don't even know that Street Fighter is still around, no matter how good SSFIV Arcade Edition (or the ULTIMATE version coming soon) is.

So Mortal Kombat did mostly negative things for video games? Because I don't see how "national outrage" and "getting the ESRB instated" are objectively good things. Heck, even subjectively, they're pretty arguably negative.

And LOL at "MK still grabs more headlines on dumb outragey news shows!!" being a positive.


Hey hey hey! I remember when I read "done more positive stuff" in the headline. A better wording would probably be "more influential". And I would argue that making games for adults is good. Lots of games were censored or held back on the notion that the only safe market was kiddies. Nowadays, we know that is not the case (Last of Us, Walking Dead, just about every game). So yeah, helping usher that it sounds pretty good to me. Much as I love Mario and Sonic we need more than just that.
 
2014-02-08 01:36:38 PM  

rocky_howard: Mortal Kombat did diddly squat for games in Japan, so how could it have done more than Street Fighter?


maybe Japan should have paid more attention, and game development in Japan would not be stagnant.

rocky_howard: So, by making Capcom a big player and making a success of the SNES, they helped define gaming forever.


oh lord.  so wrong.  fighting game glut was a real problem and killed the genre for the most part for years,

rocky_howard:
MVC2 was the most played game of the 2000s in America.

Oh dear god, no.  Try again.  Was it popular?  Sure.  Did it in any way compare to even the Halo series as far as "most played game"?  Oh hellz no.  Fighting games in the 2000's had very little real popularity.  The genre stagnated for years, and the rise of online multiplayer console gaming far overshadowed fighting games.  Call of Duty, indeed.

rocky_howard: Lie harder....


really?  watch a connecting shoryuken.  One uppercut.  Massive hit combo.  Don't act like you don't know it's true.

rocky_howard: LOL, on the other hand, please don't. You look ridiculous.


Oh hush.  I have probably bought a copy of damn near every Capcom fighting game available.  The only ones that have any real variation in play is the one that has tekken characters...  because they play like tekken characters.

Just say you are a SF fanboy and be quiet.
 
2014-02-08 01:38:56 PM  

frepnog: kkinnison: I never could handle Mortal Kombat because i had to push a button to block

holding "back" on a d-pad or joystick is exactly the same as pushing a button to block.

the opposite of charity is justice: Did MK launch and define the genre? No? ok then.

at least MK tried to innovate and do different things.  I like SF and all, but every single one of the games are exactly the same at their core.


uhm, dpad back and button to block are very different from each other.  Do a simple exercise and imagine yourself playing the game.  Pressing buttons to attack, defending against incoming attacks and tell me they are exactly the same.  Do it with a real controller and the games for bonus points...

If you still agree with yourself, turn to google until you have the right answer.
 
2014-02-08 01:41:35 PM  
rocky_howard: Street Fighter also inspired SNK to make tons of cool fighters.

The last blade 2 was the pinnacle of fighters for me (before games went crazy with combos and traps and shiat).

The game was all style.
 
2014-02-08 01:50:39 PM  
At least Street Fighter gave us valuable knowledge of the fighters, like their blood type.  I've won many a battle just by possessing this information.
 
2014-02-08 01:53:36 PM  

frepnog: maybe Japan should have paid more attention, and game development in Japan would not be stagnant.


That's now, we're talking then.

frepnog: oh lord.  so wrong.  fighting game glut was a real problem and killed the genre for the most part for years,


So wrong? More like, no wrong at all. And good job not even addressing the point I was making: Capcom became a big player and then was able to make more games, ended up making Resident Evil, which was highly influential as well, then Devil May Cry, etc.

And "glut" of fighting games wasn't what almost killed the genre. It was the downfall of arcades and since consoles couldn't offer that same experience, the genre fell down. Once broadband made it feasible to have online matches, the genre grew again, especially when Capcom drove the 18-wheeler back to the road and dropped SF4.

frepnog: Oh dear god, no.  Try again.  Was it popular?  Sure.  Did it in any way compare to even the Halo series as far as "most played game"?  Oh hellz no.  Fighting games in the 2000's had very little real popularity.  The genre stagnated for years, and the rise of online multiplayer console gaming far overshadowed fighting games.  Call of Duty, indeed.


Obviously I meant within fighting games... And don't tell me about the history of fighting games when I've been there these past two decades and a half.

frepnog: really?  watch a connecting shoryuken.  One uppercut.  Massive hit combo.  Don't act like you don't know it's true.


So a 3-hit combo if you use the Fierce button with Ken = Massive combo? (Ryu only hits twice with the Fierce).
I don't think you know the meaning of "massive".

Yeah, I know what you're saying it's not true.


frepnog: Oh hush.  I have probably bought a copy of damn near every Capcom fighting game available.  The only ones that have any real variation in play is the one that has tekken characters...  because they play like tekken characters.


Lie harder. Or you're just terribad at fighting games or even basic conceptualization. Especially when you claim SF stagnated and MK offered tons of variance, LOL. MK had a bankrupt gameplay system. I loved MK for the aesthetics and casual play, but it couldn't stand competitive high level standards without looking ridiculously terrible.

frepnog: Just say you are a SF fanboy and be quiet.


Nah, of course I love SF, but I'm a fighting games enthusiast.
 
2014-02-08 01:55:59 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Aye, right.

[www.ironicconsumer.com image 320x240]


mentalfloss.comretromedia.ign.com

Exidy: Pushing the boundaries of violence in video games since 1976.

It is perhaps fitting for this thread that the violence in the 80s "Chiller" may have been topped only by the 2011 Mortal Kombat / MK9 game, which featured an X-ray view demonstrating, in slow motion, the internal damage as inflicted upon the losing player's anatomy.
 
2014-02-08 02:06:25 PM  
Street Fighter was the game you played in the arcade at the movie theater.
Mortal Kombat was the game you rented and forgot to return on time because you were too busy kicking your friends ass.

Plus E. Honda's hand waving was annoying as fark.
 Sonya Blade boobies. end of story.
 
2014-02-08 02:14:45 PM  

Confabulat: I owned a Genesis back in the day (sigh I even bought the 32X and Sega CD) but I never felt more superior over my Nintendo brethren than when Mortal Kombat actually had red blood on our console.


Boy was it glorious.

then againI loved street fighter ii championship edition on my genesis i
 
2014-02-08 02:15:25 PM  

Confabulat: I owned a Genesis back in the day (sigh I even bought the 32X and Sega CD) but I never felt more superior over my Nintendo brethren than when Mortal Kombat actually had red blood on our console.


ABACABBA
 
2014-02-08 02:18:18 PM  

baufan2005: Confabulat: I owned a Genesis back in the day (sigh I even bought the 32X and Sega CD) but I never felt more superior over my Nintendo brethren than when Mortal Kombat actually had red blood on our console.

ABACABBA


That's one of my favorite easter eggs ever.

upload.wikimedia.org

(It was ABACAB because it was on GENESIS!!!!)
 
2014-02-08 02:29:23 PM  

rocky_howard: baufan2005: Confabulat: I owned a Genesis back in the day (sigh I even bought the 32X and Sega CD) but I never felt more superior over my Nintendo brethren than when Mortal Kombat actually had red blood on our console.

ABACABBA

That's one of my favorite easter eggs ever.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 496x500]

(It was ABACAB because it was on GENESIS!!!!)


www.legalproductivity.com

/I was a Nintendo fanboy, so that's my excuse for not knowing that piece of trivia until now
 
2014-02-08 02:45:28 PM  
cdn.wikimg.net

SNK franchises look at the thread amused. No love for Samurai Showdown or King of Fighters?

Haven't played the MK reboot (the only thing interesting me about it is Shang Tsung becoming "a good guy") but MK 2 and MK Deadly Alliance were the two highlights of the series. Deadly Alliance also tried putting in real-world fighting styles for each character and weapons, so it was a bold step.

Street Fighter ... entertaining, but aside from Capcom vs. SNK 2, I haven't been impressed. SF4 was same old, same old, with more "kawaii" crap.
 
2014-02-08 02:47:32 PM  
Virtua Fighter 4 lyfe! None of that fireball and other ranged attack bullshiat. Just people fighting each other hand-to-hand in 3D.
 
2014-02-08 02:49:42 PM  

Practical_Draconian: [cdn.wikimg.net image 340x300]

SNK franchises look at the thread amused. No love for Samurai Showdown or King of Fighters?

Haven't played the MK reboot (the only thing interesting me about it is Shang Tsung becoming "a good guy") but MK 2 and MK Deadly Alliance were the two highlights of the series. Deadly Alliance also tried putting in real-world fighting styles for each character and weapons, so it was a bold step.

Street Fighter ... entertaining, but aside from Capcom vs. SNK 2, I haven't been impressed. SF4 was same old, same old, with more "kawaii" crap.


Not technically Mortal Kombat, but I recently picked up Injustice on sale for PC.  Not a bad fighter in general, but it has probably the best story mode for a fighting game that I've played.  Couple that with the STAR Labs missions, and there's a crazy amount of content for a fighting game.
 
2014-02-08 02:50:19 PM  

rocky_howard: And "glut" of fighting games wasn't what almost killed the genre. It was the downfall of arcades and since consoles couldn't offer that same experience, the genre fell down.


you can not really believe that.

rocky_howard: Obviously I meant within fighting games... And don't tell me about the history of fighting games when I've been there these past two decades and a half.


heh.

rocky_howard: Especially when you claim SF stagnated and MK offered tons of variance, LOL. MK had a bankrupt gameplay system.


eh....  i didn't really say that.  MK was good up to UMK3.  the following entries sucked until 2011.

rocky_howard: Nah, of course I love SF, but I'm a fighting games enthusiast.


LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I AM A SF FANBOY
 
2014-02-08 02:51:32 PM  

Practical_Draconian: SNK franchises look at the thread amused. No love for Samurai Showdown or King of Fighters?

Haven't played the MK reboot (the only thing interesting me about it is Shang Tsung becoming "a good guy") but MK 2 and MK Deadly Alliance were the two highlights of the series. Deadly Alliance also tried putting in real-world fighting styles for each character and weapons, so it was a bold step.

Street Fighter ... entertaining, but aside from Capcom vs. SNK 2, I haven't been impressed. SF4 was same old, same old, with more "kawaii" crap.


An SNK fan decrying SF for being "kawaii"?
Even worse, one sporting a SamSho image!

Are you a satire account?

Nakoruru, Cham-Cham and Rimururu are the epitome of kawaii. And later KOF installments were pretty kawaii heavy too.
 
2014-02-08 02:55:50 PM  
Anyone who says street fighter different improve from iteration to iteration I honestly believe

1- Didn't give the games more than a passing glance, they decided (oh ryu looks the same, he does a shoryuken, the games the same).

2 - Had a hard time embracing the technical change that made the game different.  I ABSOLUTELY love Street Fighter 3 series, and parrying was absolutely the best to me, but a lot of 2 players HATED parrying and said 3 sucked.  Fast forward a decade after it came out (about 8 years ago) and more and more people begin to think it is the technically superior game.

3 - People want a game with karate masters throwing fireballs, green dudes, and more to be more...realistic.  Yeah about that.

I absolutely adore street fighter, and yeah there was sucky ass ones (Ahem the movie), the game is held to a ridiculously high standard and if you give a bit of time to it has incredible depth for a fighting game.

/must parry everything
 
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