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2014-02-08 01:57:40 PM  
TwistedFark, it really depends on the technique used and the surgeon. Some are clearly superior to others in terms of technique used and level of skill(and surgeons sometimes jealously guard their technique because that's their money maker). Even so, even the best surgeon is still working with certain limitations. In time, with enough technical advancement I believe this can be overcome. In the meantime there's still a lot of room for improvement.

And then there are the unlicensed back alley "surgeons" that prey on people's vanity and desperation. A pox on them.
 
2014-02-08 01:57:45 PM  

elysive: I don't think it's correct to say a trans gender mtw is repulsed at having a penis. Instead she believes the penis is out of place and inappropriate to her identity. Anyway, since you asked if CBT could fix someone from being repulsed at having a penis...

People kill themselves because they are revolted/appalled by their bodies all the time. Body dismorphic disorder (or holding beliefs that your body is disfigured) isnt that far removed from the belief that you came with defective parts. Dysmorphic disorder is one of the most difficult disorders for psych people to treat and it has one of the highest suicide rates. Most trans ppl dont have BDD but if they do, it's near impossible to talk away a repulsion.



Though I fully support trans ppl, I think it should also be mentioned that there was a life of conditioning, in between birth and presenting for SRS, that is not often mentioned. For instance, how many felt that their mother hated them for being a boy and wished she had a girl? How many were bullied little boys who envied girls that bullies were not allowed to hit? How many just wanted to be friends with girls? How many feared abuse as gay teens or adults? The list can go on.

I know trans ppl just want SRS and hormones when they want it, and have little patience for shrinks who are just going to try to talk them out of it. But if you looked back at your life, how much of your life's social conditioning, shaped your body dismorph, as it is today?
 
2014-02-08 02:01:42 PM  

TwistedFark: tinfoil-hat maggie: TwistedFark: Well, yes, my primary concern is that this surgery is terrible. Like I said, I've witnessed first hand what happens both physically and emotionally when it goes bad, and it goes bad about 40% of the time. It almost seems criminal to me that this is considered anything other than a last ditch attempt to treat someone who is suicidal.

Citation needed.

Use Google. It's not a big secret, or an outlandish claim. If you want to parse the definition of "success rate" then feel free, but as a surgery SRS has a massive rate of follow-up surgery, nearly a third or greater operations require additional corrective operations due to complications. So some places will report the cite the "first surgery" success rate, or the "overall surgery" success rate. To be succinct, I am referencing the rate of success on the first operation. With multiple operations I believe the numbers go up to somewhere between 68 to 80 percent, which as any surgeon will tell you, is farking terrible.


You said it you prove it. And I'm guessing you don't know that most surgeons use a 2 stage procedure. I know of only one in North America that has a one stage procedure. You can google what the two stages are called and limit yourself to Dr.s in North America or Thailand since that is where most people go in the US.
 
2014-02-08 02:03:17 PM  

TwistedFark: What shiat did you call me on?


This:

Theaetetus: No one was accusing you of trolling because you asked if surgery was the best form of treatment. People accused you of trolling because your use of the prejudicial term "mutilation".



TwistedFark: You haven't addressed anything about my question?


Possibly you missed my Weeners to you:

Theaetetus: TwistedFark: Yup - just ask my friend the lesbian male to female transsexual.

While intellectually I sorta understand it, I can't understand why the genital mutilation needed to happen. I'm not a psychologist, but couldn't something like cognitive behavioural therapy be used to treat any sort of revulsion to the male member?

There's a disconnect between the physical gender and the mental gender, leaving three options: deal with it (which leads to high rates of depression and suicide, so that's out); change the body (a known surgical procedure with a high rate of success); or change the mind. And that last one, no one has any idea how to do. It's right up there in the realm of "well, can't you just teach someone not to be gay?" or "but if you just pray hard enough, Jesus will change your mind for you!"

 It just seems like the loss of sexual function would be over time even more mentally damaging than simply learning to express ones gender identity with um... having a male bit there.

Well, when you figure out how to make people "simply learn to express one's gender identity" with no problems, then you can start making that suggestion. Until then, I'd keep the whole "mutilation" talk to yourself... particularly since you allegedly have trans friends.

 
2014-02-08 02:08:17 PM  

Z-clipped: snocone: Z-clipped: snocone: Z-clipped: zippythechimp: Looks like a guy.

No more so than most runway models.  I think she's pretty.

Needs a samich.

You didn't watch the video. Her thighs are bigger around than mine.

Not really a thigh man.
Must be some.

If that---->    [newnownext.mtvnimages.com image 300x325]

Isn't curvy enough for you, you might be a chubby chaser, my friend.

I mean, come on:

[media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com image 550x733]


Eh, I don't like fake tits.  I understand there aren't really other options for a MtF, but she could have gone for more natural looking at least.

Other than that, she's cute.
 
2014-02-08 02:12:11 PM  

brigid: I want you to try something for me. Imagine, in all the detail you can muster, that you have gone to sleep and woken up in a woman's body. Your mind is still male, but your body's not. You've got tits, but your little frepnog is gone. Instead you've got this squishy, soft, crinkly cave of mystery. And when you get aroused there's no boner. When you go outside, people say ma'am and miss instead of sir and dude and what have you. You try to correct them. "I'm not a girl!" They don't listen.


long winded response.  i never said it wasn't a real issue.  it is just this - no matter what surgery you have done, if you were not born with a female body, you just are not ever going to really have one.  there is far more going on than "i wish I didn't have this penis" because that in and of itself is not the only thing that makes a male, well, MALE.  you can change outward appearance, but you better not stop taking those hormone supplements because your body isn't female, no matter how hard you wish it was or how much you pay a charlatan to fashion you a makeshift vagina.

these people need mental help....  and surgery often not only doesn't help, it brings home the fact even harder that they can never truly be what they wish they were.

helping someone learn to cope with what they are is far better than appeasing them with surgery to help them pretend to be something they are not.

either that or we are going to have to develop some Freaky Friday mind swapping technology.

You read Spider-man comics?  In the current run, Doc Ock has swapped his mind with Spider-man's.  That technology would be a godsend for these people.
 
2014-02-08 02:13:15 PM  

Theaetetus: "but couldn't something like cognitive behavioural therapy be used to treat any sort of revulsion to the male member"


See his concept of a MtF person is wrong. I sorta like penis's just not attached to me.
 
2014-02-08 02:20:15 PM  

frepnog: these people need mental help....


We have no idea how to help someone mentally. The science simply isn't there yet. We can, however, help them physically. Why should we disregard one known treatment in favor of another treatment that doesn't yet exist?

...  and surgery often not only doesn't help, it brings home the fact even harder that they can never truly be what they wish they were.

Actually, surgery does seem to help in the vast majority of cases.
 
2014-02-08 02:28:21 PM  

snocone: Boobies, man, Boobies, and not high hard ones.


Meh, I ain't no boobies snob.

/Snoobie?

MechaPyx: Geez she is beautiful. I admit I'm slightly jealous.

/ok maybe a lot jealous


Yeah, well, I wish I looked like Brad Pitt and Robert Downey Jr's love child, but we all have to work with what we've got.  I'm sure you're lovely in your own way. : )

I'm hetero, and I've always had a very strong radar for trans women, probably because I'm very attracted to femininity.  Even minor masculine body traits can sometimes turn me off.

But now with the better medical tech, and higher social awareness of gender dysphoria leading to earlier transitioning, a lot of these stunningly feminine examples are appearing.  Interestingly, instead of being threatened by them like some men seem to be, they're actually prompting me to ask questions that I never would have considered, because I just couldn't find trans women visually attractive before.  Like, if it came down to dating a gorgeous intelligent woman who registered completely to my brain as feminine (but hadn't had bottom surgery) could I get past that one body part?

I'm thinking I probably could, which makes the whole "has a penis = man" argument that people spout in these threads even more bewildering.
 
2014-02-08 02:36:31 PM  

Theaetetus: Actually, surgery does seem to help in the vast majority of cases.


citation needed
 
2014-02-08 02:43:32 PM  

frepnog: Theaetetus: Actually, surgery does seem to help in the vast majority of cases.

citation needed


How about this?

"The American Medical Association's Resolution 122 states, "An established body of medical research demonstrates the effectiveness and medical necessity of mental health care, hormone therapy and sex reassignment surgery as forms of therapeutic treatment for many people diagnosed with GID". Link
 
2014-02-08 02:47:02 PM  

frepnog: long winded response.  i never said it wasn't a real issue.  it is just this - no matter what surgery you have done, if you were not born with a female body, you just are not ever going to really have one.  there is far more going on than "i wish I didn't have this penis" because that in and of itself is not the only thing that makes a male, well, MALE.  you can change outward appearance, but you better not stop taking those hormone supplements because your body isn't female, no matter how hard you wish it was or how much you pay a charlatan to fashion you a makeshift vagina. these people need mental help....  and surgery often not only doesn't help, it brings home the fact even harder that they can never truly be what they wish they were. helping someone learn to cope with what they are is far better than appeasing them with surgery to help them pretend to be something they are not. Either that or we are going to have to develop some Freaky Friday mind swapping technology.You read Spider-man comics?


1) Mileage varies with hormones and suppressors.
2) After the primary supplier of hormones is removed (e.g. the gonads), things become much easier
3) There are years of therapy needed before the gender transition can even start.
4) It takes a minimum of 2 years of therapy and surgery for a transition to be considered final.
5) Cognitive dissonance is really hard to combat.
6) Not sure just switching the mind with another body would truly help the way it does in fiction; actually it would probably result in shock
7) To trans people, the pretending is in being okay with the wrong body and social role rather than what feels appropriate and correct.
8) You want a comic book type reference, see the masquerade ball in Batman Returns as an analogy; the disguise is actually being in their predetermined gender rather than the one they feel is right.
 
2014-02-08 02:55:31 PM  

frepnog: Theaetetus: Actually, surgery does seem to help in the vast majority of cases.

citation needed


Citation provided:
Since the first sex-change operations, many studies have been carried out to in-
vestigate the therapeutic effectiveness of SRS. Pfäfflin and Junge [139] made an ex-
tensive review of 79 studies between 1961 and 1991. After 1991, several more have
appeared [137, 140-142]...
[T]he general conclusion can
be drawn that SRS effectively resolves the gender dysphoria transsexuals suffer
from. Depending on the methodology, number of subjects, and criteria, varying per-
centages of success have been noted. Early reviews report satisfactory results in
71.4% of MFs and 89.5% of FMs [84, 150-152]. In a more recent review, the num-
bers are 87% and 97%, respectively [153].
 
2014-02-08 02:56:43 PM  
Or another:
Conducted 2 studies of gender dysphoria and postoperative adjustment by transsexuals... Satisfaction with surgery was high, and psychosocial adjustment was acceptable for the majority. Results of both studies support the rationale for clinical intervention in aid of gender reorientation in selected cases.
 
2014-02-08 03:05:25 PM  
Now watch as frepnog either flees the thread or starts handwaving about how those studies are refuted by this one anecdote he heard, allowing him to avoid ever addressing his flawed premise here:

frepnog: these people need mental help....  and surgery often not only doesn't help, it brings home the fact even harder that they can never truly be what they wish they were.

 
2014-02-08 03:28:59 PM  

frepnog: these people need mental help....  and surgery often not only doesn't help, it brings home the fact even harder that they can never truly be what they wish they were


Is it your life?  No?  Then why do you care?
 
2014-02-08 03:29:39 PM  

harleyquinnical: 3) There are years of therapy needed before the gender transition can even start.


Not to nit pick, but a person can start to transition at any time they want. The therapy is just so you can get hormone therapy, and it's not years of it either. Though once you're on hormones, you have to live full time for at least a year before you can be approved for the surgery.
 
2014-02-08 03:40:51 PM  

Theaetetus: Now watch as frepnog either flees the thread or starts handwaving about how those studies are refuted by this one anecdote he heard, allowing him to avoid ever addressing his flawed premise here:
frepnog: these people need mental help....  and surgery often not only doesn't help, it brings home the fact even harder that they can never truly be what they wish they were.


oh hush, you.  i appreciate the citation.  if it helps, good for those affected.

AngryDragon: Is it your life? No? Then why do you care?


this is a discussion thread on fark.  i DON'T "care".  I am interested enough to discuss it, to give my feelings, and to read the thoughts of others.  if I am wrong, so be it, then maybe I'll learn something, or perhaps give some close minded jerk something to ponder.

prime example - I always thought Woody Allen was a farking creep.  after the last few days, i have a newfound respect for him in my mind and I feel for what that insane biatch put him thru.

/I am all about doing what makes a person happy so long as it hurts no one else.  I don't hate anyone or claim to.  healthy discussion is a good thing.
 
2014-02-08 03:47:37 PM  

frepnog: I am all about doing what makes a person happy so long as it hurts no one else.  I don't hate anyone or claim to.  healthy discussion is a good thing


Fair enough and agreed.  I'm all for healthy discussion as long as the result isn't a restriction on someone's natural rights to do as they please.  As long as it doesn't impact anyone else that is.
 
2014-02-08 03:48:05 PM  

jso2897: FirstNationalBastard: harleyquinnical: RottenEggs: So she now has man parts ?


/DRTFA

She always had them.  She's striving to not have them while making it as a fashion model.  More power to her...


Standard vocabulary for those still confused:
MtF= trans-woman
FtM=trans-man.

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 850x478]
Trans-fats.

EEwwww. Now I'll never eat a french fry again.
Thanks, Obama!


Those are Freedom Fries!

//Credit goes to George Bush
 
2014-02-08 03:55:51 PM  

WhyteRaven74: harleyquinnical: 3) There are years of therapy needed before the gender transition can even start.

Not to nit pick, but a person can start to transition at any time they want. The therapy is just so you can get hormone therapy, and it's not years of it either. Though once you're on hormones, you have to live full time for at least a year before you can be approved for the surgery.



Yeah, I exaggerated a bit but mileage on this also varies.
It depends on the guidelines and if there are other issues, such as depression.  It also depends on whether to count any therapy or counseling before realizing one wants to pursue sex and gender reassignment.  The therapy is also for helping adjust to the social changes inherent in changing social roles, coming to terms with expectations, recommending other specialists for social coaching, etc.
 
2014-02-08 03:57:59 PM  

frepnog: I am all about doing what makes a person happy so long as it hurts no one else.


frepnog: what about those of us that realize that if we decided we were really Napoleon inside and started dressing and acting as Napoleon, we would be locked up because no one would tolerate the delusion?

In other words, "I'm all about doing what makes a person happy, but I'll call you deluded and suggest that there's a similar situation in which you should be locked up."
 
2014-02-08 03:59:56 PM  

Theaetetus: frepnog: I am all about doing what makes a person happy so long as it hurts no one else.

frepnog: what about those of us that realize that if we decided we were really Napoleon inside and started dressing and acting as Napoleon, we would be locked up because no one would tolerate the delusion?

In other words, "I'm all about doing what makes a person happy, but I'll call you deluded and suggest that there's a similar situation in which you should be locked up."


meh, that's just me being an asshole troll.  that's fun too.  haven't you been in this thread with me before?
 
2014-02-08 04:05:20 PM  

MechaPyx: TwistedFark, it really depends on the technique used and the surgeon. Some are clearly superior to others in terms of technique used and level of skill(and surgeons sometimes jealously guard their technique because that's their money maker). Even so, even the best surgeon is still working with certain limitations. In time, with enough technical advancement I believe this can be overcome. In the meantime there's still a lot of room for improvement.

And then there are the unlicensed back alley "surgeons" that prey on people's vanity and desperation. A pox on them.


Not an area where you recommend the lowest bidder.
 
2014-02-08 04:14:02 PM  

harleyquinnical: Trying to apply the ultimate standard of beauty is a fool's errand.


Even if you could achieve it, it comes with problems. Scrubs and all kind of trash hitting on you, thinking they are better than they are, and getting angry and offended when you refuse, if you do refuse. Letting yourself get used and dirtied by trash if you do not, so they can brag and raise their status, and bring down yours. Rapists, some of whom might be enraged to find a penis. Etc.
 
2014-02-08 04:23:57 PM  

harleyquinnical: After the primary supplier of hormones is removed (e.g. the gonads), things become much easier



Can a bald guy get his hair back after gonad removal?
 
2014-02-08 04:41:41 PM  

WeenerGord: Even if you could achieve it, it comes with problems. Scrubs and all kind of trash hitting on you, thinking they are better than they are, and getting angry and offended when you refuse, if you do refuse. Letting yourself get used and dirtied by trash if you do not, so they can brag and raise their status, and bring down yours. Rapists, some of whom might be enraged to find a penis. Etc.


Reasons why I decline advances from creepy guys in unsavory locations.  Unfortunately, mentioning I'm a lesbian makes it even worse.
 
2014-02-08 04:58:46 PM  

WeenerGord: harleyquinnical: After the primary supplier of hormones is removed (e.g. the gonads), things become much easier


Can a bald guy get his hair back after gonad removal?


Well their are hair transplants and I believe the Rogain is a topical testosterone blocker. Once a hair follicle is dead it's dead. Also hormones reduce body hair but not facial hair so electrolysis or laser hair removal is necessary after puberty.
 
2014-02-08 05:09:42 PM  

frepnog: Theaetetus: frepnog: I am all about doing what makes a person happy so long as it hurts no one else.

frepnog: what about those of us that realize that if we decided we were really Napoleon inside and started dressing and acting as Napoleon, we would be locked up because no one would tolerate the delusion?

In other words, "I'm all about doing what makes a person happy, but I'll call you deluded and suggest that there's a similar situation in which you should be locked up."

meh, that's just me being an asshole troll.  that's fun too.  haven't you been in this thread with me before?


Yeah, you're like TwistedFark with his "I'm not a troll, I'm just making trolly statements to intentionally provoke people" bullshiat. I just wanted to make it clear to anyone engaging you in hopes of a discussion in good faith.
 
2014-02-08 06:36:53 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: WeenerGord: harleyquinnical: After the primary supplier of hormones is removed (e.g. the gonads), things become much easier


Can a bald guy get his hair back after gonad removal?

Well their are hair transplants and I believe the Rogain is a topical testosterone blocker. Once a hair follicle is dead it's dead. Also hormones reduce body hair but not facial hair so electrolysis or laser hair removal is necessary after puberty.



So, no bad man ever got hair to regrow after castration?
 
2014-02-08 07:09:46 PM  

WeenerGord: tinfoil-hat maggie: WeenerGord: harleyquinnical: After the primary supplier of hormones is removed (e.g. the gonads), things become much easier


Can a bald guy get his hair back after gonad removal?

Well their are hair transplants and I believe the Rogain is a topical testosterone blocker. Once a hair follicle is dead it's dead. Also hormones reduce body hair but not facial hair so electrolysis or laser hair removal is necessary after puberty.


So, no bad man ever got hair to regrow after castration?


I'm guessing you mean bald and to understanding the hair goes dormant long before it actually dies. Dormant hair can start to regrow if the testosterone is blocked.
 
2014-02-08 07:11:03 PM  

harleyquinnical: WeenerGord: Even if you could achieve it, it comes with problems. Scrubs and all kind of trash hitting on you, thinking they are better than they are, and getting angry and offended when you refuse, if you do refuse. Letting yourself get used and dirtied by trash if you do not, so they can brag and raise their status, and bring down yours. Rapists, some of whom might be enraged to find a penis. Etc.

Reasons why I decline advances from creepy guys in unsavory locations.  Unfortunately, mentioning I'm a lesbian makes it even worse.


That's because they want to try and "fix/convert" you.......
 
2014-02-08 07:51:53 PM  
he/she has done things to his/her face that I don't even like on real females. Do not want.
 
2014-02-08 11:31:35 PM  
It takes all types. Why does anybody give a shiat??

A friend of mine is bi. She has been with a,woman for 12 years. They have raised 2kids together.

Recently her partner concluded that she could not go on living as a woman and is undergoing gender reassignment. It is,something the partner wanted for a long time, but was too.afraid to be honest about and pursue.

I went to a fundraiser for the gender reassignment. I mentioned this to some coworkers who are fairly conservative. To a person, every one said "good for him" or "that's great".


Later one of the colleagues stopped by my office and i voiced my suprise at the positive response.
He said,
"every single one of us,wishes we had the courage to change the things we most deeply need to change to be happy, but we don't. "
 
2014-02-09 12:24:44 AM  

harleyquinnical: WeenerGord: Are there any passing trans people in this thread, who find, that once they have transitioned and are passing, there is a whole new set of social problems?

Because both genders have negative social issues to deal with, in life.

Trying to apply the ultimate standard of beauty is a fool's errand.  Having any knowledge of and experience with top shelf whiskey causes heads to turn.  I'm automatically supposed to know fashion and style.  I'm not supposed to be able to do math.  I'm expected to manipulate others to buy things for me.  Just because I'm trans doesn't mean my tits are huge or fake (b cup at the moment; might get bigger with continued hormones).


For a minute there I thought you were a trans girl I know IRL. Big Harley Quinn fan, whiskey aficionado,...you'd probably get on like a house on fire. :D

And honestly, as a cis girl with triple letter tits, the bigness is SO overrated.
 
2014-02-09 12:45:53 AM  

voristrupp: It takes all types. Why does anybody give a shiat??

A friend of mine is bi. She has been with a,woman for 12 years. They have raised 2kids together.

Recently her partner concluded that she could not go on living as a woman and is undergoing gender reassignment. It is,something the partner wanted for a long time, but was too.afraid to be honest about and pursue.

I went to a fundraiser for the gender reassignment. I mentioned this to some coworkers who are fairly conservative. To a person, every one said "good for him" or "that's great".


Later one of the colleagues stopped by my office and i voiced my suprise at the positive response.
He said,
"every single one of us,wishes we had the courage to change the things we most deeply need to change to be happy, but we don't. "


That is cool and I've seem the same I was afraid I was going to lose my family immediate and/or extended family but they've been really nice even my extended family and some of them still have McCain/Palin bumber stickers on the care but the got to see me as just a normal woman and so it was okay.It seems to me and I could be wrong be it really is insecurity in their own masculinity mixed with misogyny that fuel the haters in this. Look at how many guys are focusing on the loss of a penis. It's strange.
 
2014-02-09 12:50:37 AM  

brigid: harleyquinnical: WeenerGord: Are there any passing trans people in this thread, who find, that once they have transitioned and are passing, there is a whole new set of social problems?

Because both genders have negative social issues to deal with, in life.

Trying to apply the ultimate standard of beauty is a fool's errand.  Having any knowledge of and experience with top shelf whiskey causes heads to turn.  I'm automatically supposed to know fashion and style.  I'm not supposed to be able to do math.  I'm expected to manipulate others to buy things for me.  Just because I'm trans doesn't mean my tits are huge or fake (b cup at the moment; might get bigger with continued hormones).

For a minute there I thought you were a trans girl I know IRL. Big Harley Quinn fan, whiskey aficionado,...you'd probably get on like a house on fire. :D

And honestly, as a cis girl with triple letter tits, the bigness is SO overrated.


I've heard, plenty of heavy cheated friends over the years. And yea when I go jogging b's are nice but sorta want c's just cuase store seem to carry prettier bras in that size.

/Okay that probably sounds stupid.
 
2014-02-09 10:56:30 AM  

Z-clipped: frepnog: Theaetetus: Actually, surgery does seem to help in the vast majority of cases.

citation needed

How about this?

"The American Medical Association's Resolution 122 states, "An established body of medical research demonstrates the effectiveness and medical necessity of mental health care, hormone therapy and sex reassignment surgery as forms of therapeutic treatment for many people diagnosed with GID". Link


Cue image of "Hur hur! Trans are EXACTLY the same as people who want to be dolphins".
 
2014-02-09 11:01:27 AM  

Descartes: So she's a guy, who looks like a girl, who likes guys, but isn't gay, because she's a girl with guy parts?

[guyism.com image 380x281]


It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world. Get over it.
 
2014-02-09 01:47:39 PM  

bdhobbs: Son of Thunder: AngryDragon: Descartes: So she's a guy, who looks like a girl, who likes guys, but isn't gay, because she's a girl with guy parts?

[guyism.com image 380x281]

Wait.....what?

This is our world now. We've polarized into two camps:
1) Gender is absolutely binary, and all deviations from that must be purified with fire
2) Gender is absolutely fluid, everything is nothing and nothing is everything and it's all good and the only truth is your truth but don't you dare say your truth is truth because that would be bad.

Those are your options. Pick a side and start hating the other side.

Wait...which one is Republican?


The one that hates butt farkers.
 
2014-02-09 07:11:20 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: I've heard, plenty of heavy cheated friends over the years. And yea when I go jogging b's are nice but sorta want c's just cuase store seem to carry prettier bras in that size.

/Okay that probably sounds stupid.

No, that's actually pretty accurate.  A friend and I were discussing this the other day.  General consensus was that lace sucks.

brigid: For a minute there I thought you were a trans girl I know IRL. Big Harley Quinn fan, whiskey aficionado,...you'd probably get on like a house on fire. :D

Never know...could be if she's in the Seattle area. :)
 
2014-02-09 07:28:36 PM  
What's the difference between a boob job and gender reassignment surgery? Noting, in some cases, there are actual medical reasons for some of the aforementioned actions (including cancer risk, hormonal imbalances, back problems related to size, etc).

To me, it's usually about vanity in one way or another. The self-healing that each may create in an individual is based on vanity. That's a perfectly cromulent lesson for the future: we can become so intellectually advanced yet it's only outward appearance that counts.
 
2014-02-09 07:32:15 PM  

brigid: Everyone has a "mental map" of their body, stored in their brain somewhere. When the map says A and the body has B, you get dysphoria.


"We" create the mental map of the body. What if my mental map says I have a 10" penis?

I mean, if that's your bag, that's fine. I personally just find our society's strict focus on appearance to just be sad. We have so much to learn about human gender, yet we seem stuck on making sure we look like we have the right bits. We're focused on buying the box of tissues for our cold, not even bothering to learn or deal with the underlying symptoms.
 
2014-02-09 07:39:38 PM  
I guess my underlying point is: would gender dysphoria be as prevalent in a society that was more "unisex"?
 
2014-02-09 08:21:20 PM  

puffy999: I guess my underlying point is: would gender dysphoria be as prevalent in a society that was more "unisex"?


I think you'd see an increase in the number of gender variant people around you as people were allowed greater freedom to express themselves and I think the number of people that felt the need to go full bore transition would probably decrease by a small percentage. A decrease in the societal pressure to conform to rigid standards would help but ultimately I don't think it's a solution for physical dysphoria. I think the root cause of gender dysphoria and transgenderism is physical in nature. A simple change of social status(nurture) while helpful, would not change the underlying physical cause(nature).

Removing the taboo status for being gender variant would be a good first step though.
 
2014-02-09 09:10:32 PM  

puffy999: I guess my underlying point is: would gender dysphoria be as prevalent in a society that was more "unisex"?



Since that unisex society is imaginary, and cannot be relocated to and lived in, what difference does it make?

For instance, would airplanes be as prevalent in a society where everyone is born with wings? Maybe not, but that is no reason to refuse to sell plane tickets to travelers in our society.
 
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