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2014-02-08 07:43:48 AM
Sounds like someone has shifted their trans-mission.
 
2014-02-08 07:48:18 AM
So she now has man parts ?


/DRTFA
 
2014-02-08 07:53:29 AM
If it looks good fark it
Andrew Zimmenn
 
2014-02-08 07:55:27 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Sounds like someone has shifted their trans-mission.


Shouldn't be too hard, she does have a stick!
 
2014-02-08 07:59:21 AM
Knowing how queer friendly the fashion industry is, Giselle better watch out, I smell a dethroning.
 
2014-02-08 08:14:18 AM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Knowing how queer friendly the fashion industry is, Giselle better watch out, I smell a dethroning.


Way, way, way too early for all this.  I read that as "I smell a dethonging."  I need coffee.
 
2014-02-08 08:16:00 AM
Well, if I didn't know... hell, even now that I do know I probably would. And not feel bad about it either.
 
2014-02-08 08:25:16 AM
Looks like a guy.
 
2014-02-08 08:43:14 AM
So she's a guy, who looks like a girl, who likes guys, but isn't gay, because she's a girl with guy parts?

guyism.com
 
2014-02-08 09:04:55 AM

Descartes: So she's a guy, who looks like a girl, who likes guys, but isn't gay, because she's a girl with guy parts?

[guyism.com image 380x281]


Wait.....what?
 
2014-02-08 09:53:58 AM

AngryDragon: Descartes: So she's a guy, who looks like a girl, who likes guys, but isn't gay, because she's a girl with guy parts?

[guyism.com image 380x281]

Wait.....what?


This is our world now. We've polarized into two camps:
1) Gender is absolutely binary, and all deviations from that must be purified with fire
2) Gender is absolutely fluid, everything is nothing and nothing is everything and it's all good and the only truth is your truth but don't you dare say your truth is truth because that would be bad.

Those are your options. Pick a side and start hating the other side.
 
2014-02-08 09:57:29 AM

Son of Thunder: Those are your options. Pick a side and start hating the other side.


what about those of us that realize that if we decided we were really Napoleon inside and started dressing and acting as Napoleon, we would be locked up because no one would tolerate the delusion?

/Do what makes you happy - but don't be surprised when some people have issues with your delusion.
 
2014-02-08 10:09:40 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: If it looks good fark it
Andrew Zimmenn


- Rand Paul -
 
2014-02-08 10:10:32 AM

RottenEggs: So she now has man parts ?


/DRTFA


She always had them.  She's striving to not have them while making it as a fashion model.  More power to her...


Standard vocabulary for those still confused:
MtF= trans-woman
FtM=trans-man.
 
2014-02-08 10:10:46 AM

frepnog: Son of Thunder: Those are your options. Pick a side and start hating the other side.

what about those of us that realize that if we decided we were really Napoleon inside and started dressing and acting as Napoleon, we would be locked up because no one would tolerate the delusion?

/Do what makes you happy - but don't be surprised when some people have issues with your delusion.


Napoleon was a unique individual. Unless reincarnation is a thing he's not coming back and biology isn't like a machine assembly line. Things don't always go according to plan.

Is it possible for complications to occur during human development such that a person diverges from the expected outcome? Yes. See: intersexism as an example. Do we fully understand human biology and development? No. Just because a thing is not understood doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Also, there are plenty of examples of estrogenic chemicals having a feminizing effect on wildlife. That means it's in the food chain. You think it might not get back to us in some form?

Now if you want to start talking about delusion we can get into that but it will piss off the religious types.
 
2014-02-08 10:11:31 AM

frepnog: Son of Thunder: Those are your options. Pick a side and start hating the other side.

what about those of us that realize that if we decided we were really Napoleon inside and started dressing and acting as Napoleon, we would be locked up because no one would tolerate the delusion?

/Do what makes you happy - but don't be surprised when some people have issues with your delusion.


Don't be surprised when nobody gives a f**k what you think about things that are none of your business.
 
2014-02-08 10:15:28 AM

harleyquinnical: RottenEggs: So she now has man parts ?


/DRTFA

She always had them.  She's striving to not have them while making it as a fashion model.  More power to her...


Standard vocabulary for those still confused:
MtF= trans-woman
FtM=trans-man.


i2.cdn.turner.com
Trans-fats.
 
2014-02-08 10:16:39 AM
And cue the "once a man, always a man" crowd. Oops too late...
 
2014-02-08 10:17:04 AM

FirstNationalBastard: harleyquinnical: RottenEggs: So she now has man parts ?


/DRTFA

She always had them.  She's striving to not have them while making it as a fashion model.  More power to her...


Standard vocabulary for those still confused:
MtF= trans-woman
FtM=trans-man.

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 850x478]
Trans-fats.


EEwwww. Now I'll never eat a french fry again.
Thanks, Obama!
 
2014-02-08 10:18:44 AM

ukexpat: And cue the "once a man, always a man" crowd. Oops too late...


It's extremely important to them that other people they don't personally know and will never meet do not harbor "delusions" about "reality"
**Snerk!** :D
 
2014-02-08 10:37:21 AM
Is this a good place to state that modern "psychology" is moving towards stating that the "normal" sexual orientation for humans is bisexuality?

There is an evolving consensus.
 
2014-02-08 10:42:57 AM

snocone: Is this a good place to state that modern "psychology" is moving towards stating that the "normal" sexual orientation for humans is bisexuality?

There is an evolving consensus.


Conflating sexuality with gender identity will get you yelled at.
 
2014-02-08 10:45:45 AM
She's gorgeous. I would invite her to thanksgiving dinner.
 
2014-02-08 10:46:50 AM

markfara: snocone: Is this a good place to state that modern "psychology" is moving towards stating that the "normal" sexual orientation for humans is bisexuality?

There is an evolving consensus.

Conflating sexuality with gender identity will get you yelled at.


One can hope.
 
2014-02-08 10:49:01 AM
More importantly, does this mean I'm gay?
 
2014-02-08 10:50:41 AM

markfara: snocone: Is this a good place to state that modern "psychology" is moving towards stating that the "normal" sexual orientation for humans is bisexuality?

There is an evolving consensus.

Conflating sexuality with gender identity will get you yelled at.


Yup - just ask my friend the lesbian male to female transsexual.

While intellectually I sorta understand it, I can't understand why the genital mutilation needed to happen. I'm not a psychologist, but couldn't something like cognitive behavioural therapy be used to treat any sort of revulsion to the male member? It just seems like the loss of sexual function would be over time even more mentally damaging than simply learning to express ones gender identity with um... having a male bit there.
 
2014-02-08 10:58:00 AM

snocone: Is this a good place to state that modern "psychology" is moving towards stating that the "normal" sexual orientation for humans is bisexuality?


not true in any way, and you know it.  the majority of human population is heterosexual.  to the majority of the human population, copulation with the same sex is revolting.

saying stuff like that may get you points with the LBGTBLTRBDFMGM&GD$ groups, but it isn't true.
 
2014-02-08 10:58:36 AM

Molavian: More importantly, does this mean I'm gay?


only if balls touch.
 
2014-02-08 10:58:55 AM

Molavian: More importantly, does this mean I'm gay?


God I hope not.
 
2014-02-08 10:59:26 AM

FirstNationalBastard: harleyquinnical: RottenEggs: So she now has man parts ?


/DRTFA

She always had them.  She's striving to not have them while making it as a fashion model.  More power to her...


Standard vocabulary for those still confused:
MtF= trans-woman
FtM=trans-man.

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 850x478]
Trans-fats.


Yes, you are correct in your analogy. The trans- isomer of a molecule is its mirror opposite.
 
2014-02-08 11:01:00 AM

TwistedFark: markfara: snocone: Is this a good place to state that modern "psychology" is moving towards stating that the "normal" sexual orientation for humans is bisexuality?

There is an evolving consensus.

Conflating sexuality with gender identity will get you yelled at.

Yup - just ask my friend the lesbian male to female transsexual.

While intellectually I sorta understand it, I can't understand why the genital mutilation needed to happen. I'm not a psychologist, but couldn't something like cognitive behavioural therapy be used to treat any sort of revulsion to the male member? It just seems like the loss of sexual function would be over time even more mentally damaging than simply learning to express ones gender identity with um... having a male bit there.


Now you're assuming that having a penis automatically makes one a male. That will get you yelled at, too.
 
2014-02-08 11:02:42 AM

TwistedFark: Yup - just ask my friend the lesbian male to female transsexual.

While intellectually I sorta understand it, I can't understand why the genital mutilation needed to happen. I'm not a psychologist, but couldn't something like cognitive behavioural therapy be used to treat any sort of revulsion to the male member?


There's a disconnect between the physical gender and the mental gender, leaving three options: deal with it (which leads to high rates of depression and suicide, so that's out); change the body (a known surgical procedure with a high rate of success); or change the mind. And that last one, no one has any idea how to do. It's right up there in the realm of "well, can't you just teach someone not to be gay?" or "but if you just pray hard enough, Jesus will change your mind for you!"

 It just seems like the loss of sexual function would be over time even more mentally damaging than simply learning to express ones gender identity with um... having a male bit there.

Well, when you figure out how to make people "simply learn to express one's gender identity" with no problems, then you can start making that suggestion. Until then, I'd keep the whole "mutilation" talk to yourself... particularly since you allegedly have trans friends.
 
2014-02-08 11:03:38 AM

TwistedFark: markfara: snocone: Is this a good place to state that modern "psychology" is moving towards stating that the "normal" sexual orientation for humans is bisexuality?

There is an evolving consensus.

Conflating sexuality with gender identity will get you yelled at.

Yup - just ask my friend the lesbian male to female transsexual.

While intellectually I sorta understand it, I can't understand why the genital mutilation needed to happen. I'm not a psychologist, but couldn't something like cognitive behavioural therapy be used to treat any sort of revulsion to the male member? It just seems like the loss of sexual function would be over time even more mentally damaging than simply learning to express ones gender identity with um... having a male bit there.


One can learn to enjoy what they have but it's NOT the same thing by any means.  Also, we're constantly hammered with the idea that we won't be "real" women until we've had the operation. Our legal status and protections are often tied to that as well and quite frankly, if that's what someone wants for themselves that's their choice.
 
2014-02-08 11:08:06 AM

TwistedFark: While intellectually I sorta understand it, I can't understand why the genital mutilation needed to happen. I'm not a psychologist, but couldn't something like cognitive behavioural therapy be used to treat any sort of revulsion to the male member? It just seems like the loss of sexual function would be over time even more mentally damaging than simply learning to express ones gender identity with um... having a male bit there.


It's not really mutilation.  There is still functionality if the doctors did it correctly.  The problem with the cognitive behavioral therapy is that such an argument would be used to prevent any gender change at all, leaving most sufferers of gender dysphoria miserable, depressed and possibly suicidal.  As for leaving the genitals untouched, depending on the sexuality of the person, their target demographic may not exactly appreciate the shock of expecting one and finding the other.  If one is going to pass, one must go all the way to pass.
 
2014-02-08 11:10:39 AM
"Waal, Doc, ah wants ya to cut off mah dick and mah balls, and stick 2 big ol' titties on me!"
 
2014-02-08 11:10:52 AM

TwistedFark: I can't understand why the genital mutilation needed to happen.


I can't understand the use of this phrasing by people who are honestly curious and want a question answered.

Why put the people best equipped to answer you on the defensive? What purpose does that serve?
 
2014-02-08 11:13:34 AM

frepnog: snocone: Is this a good place to state that modern "psychology" is moving towards stating that the "normal" sexual orientation for humans is bisexuality?

not true in any way, and you know it.  the majority of human population is heterosexual.  to the majority of the human population, copulation with the same sex is revolting.

saying stuff like that may get you points with the LBGTBLTRBDFMGM&GD$ groups, but it isn't true.


I think it may be a bit strong to say the majority finds it "revolting", although that probably does apply to some. For example, I'm not interested in sex with another man, but the concept doesn't gross me out either.  I would guess that men are more likely to describe same-sex copulation as "revolting" then women.
   Of course, it should be noted that the majority likely also has many misconceptions about what same sex couples actually do.
 
2014-02-08 11:13:48 AM

frepnog: snocone: Is this a good place to state that modern "psychology" is moving towards stating that the "normal" sexual orientation for humans is bisexuality?

not true in any way, and you know it.  the majority of human population is heterosexual.  to the majority of the human population, copulation with the same sex is revolting.

saying stuff like that may get you points with the LBGTBLTRBDFMGM&GD$ groups, but it isn't true.


Much of the LGBTQ crowd have contempt for bisexuals fyi.
 
2014-02-08 11:17:14 AM
I thought America's Top Model, in the 20 cycle?, already featured a tranny model but she bowed out early bc the hormone treatments were too hard to deal with during the competition.
 
2014-02-08 11:18:21 AM

harleyquinnical: If one is going to pass, one must go all the way to pass.


I'm not sure I entirely agree. Granted, this is anecdotal, but I once knew a transgendered person who kept her "male bits" while presenting as a female, and she (using her own preferred pronoun) had no trouble finding male partners (one of whom was, incidentally, the local, married police chief). The guys she hooked up with knew what they were getting, and according to her, pretty much all of them identified as straight.

Let's face it, this stuff doesn't always fit into neat-and-tidy categories. Whoever you are, or however you identify, someone out there's going to be into it, is my guess.
 
2014-02-08 11:19:10 AM

TwistedFark: markfara: snocone: Is this a good place to state that modern "psychology" is moving towards stating that the "normal" sexual orientation for humans is bisexuality?

There is an evolving consensus.

Conflating sexuality with gender identity will get you yelled at.

Yup - just ask my friend the lesbian male to female transsexual.

While intellectually I sorta understand it, I can't understand why the genital mutilation needed to happen. I'm not a psychologist, but couldn't something like cognitive behavioural therapy be used to treat any sort of revulsion to the male member? It just seems like the loss of sexual function would be over time even more mentally damaging than simply learning to express ones gender identity with um... having a male bit there.


I've read there's not really a "loss" of sexual function.  They make a hole using your penis nerve endings. So if you like a penis inside of you, you can still get some nerve stimulation.  If it makes them feel better about themselves, I don't see a problem.  I don't see why people can't fathom how someone can be born mentally a female and have male body parts.  Look around.  There are all kinds of differences amongst people.
 
2014-02-08 11:22:06 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: TwistedFark: I can't understand why the genital mutilation needed to happen.

I can't understand the use of this phrasing by people who are honestly curious and want a question answered.

Why put the people best equipped to answer you on the defensive? What purpose does that serve?


how is cutting one's penis off not genital mutilation?

i can call a pop tart a cruller....  but it ain't.
 
2014-02-08 11:22:09 AM

elysive: frepnog: snocone: Is this a good place to state that modern "psychology" is moving towards stating that the "normal" sexual orientation for humans is bisexuality?

not true in any way, and you know it.  the majority of human population is heterosexual.  to the majority of the human population, copulation with the same sex is revolting.

saying stuff like that may get you points with the LBGTBLTRBDFMGM&GD$ groups, but it isn't true.

Much of the LGBTQ crowd have contempt for bisexuals fyi.


That... makes no sense.
 
2014-02-08 11:23:45 AM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Of course, it should be noted that the majority likely also has many misconceptions about what same sex couples actually do.


is this the thread where we claim gay men don't butt fark each other?

because the spread of aids in the homosexual community and the rise of condom use to curb it really calls that into question.
 
2014-02-08 11:26:31 AM

FirstNationalBastard: elysive: frepnog: snocone: Is this a good place to state that modern "psychology" is moving towards stating that the "normal" sexual orientation for humans is bisexuality?

not true in any way, and you know it.  the majority of human population is heterosexual.  to the majority of the human population, copulation with the same sex is revolting.

saying stuff like that may get you points with the LBGTBLTRBDFMGM&GD$ groups, but it isn't true.

Much of the LGBTQ crowd have contempt for bisexuals fyi.

That... makes no sense.


Could have predicted that.
Shlubs are the last to know/admit, first to care.
 
2014-02-08 11:28:48 AM

markfara: I'm not sure I entirely agree. Granted, this is anecdotal, but I once knew a transgendered person who kept her "male bits" while presenting as a female, and she (using her own preferred pronoun) had no trouble finding male partners (one of whom was, incidentally, the local, married police chief). The guys she hooked up with knew what they were getting, and according to her, pretty much all of them identified as straight.


Let's face it, this stuff doesn't always fit into neat-and-tidy categories. Whoever you are, or however you identify, someone out there's going to be into it, is my guess.



My previous statement was more a jab at the DSM-V.  There's any number of reasons for not going through with SRS, from the aforementioned fear of losing sexual function, to high risk to health, to just not feeling the need to have SRS.  Non-ops have their reasons.  Some trans folk are fortunate enough to find those who observe the social rather than biological conventions relative to sexual orientation.  Others...not so much.
 
2014-02-08 11:38:09 AM

Son of Thunder: AngryDragon: Descartes: So she's a guy, who looks like a girl, who likes guys, but isn't gay, because she's a girl with guy parts?

[guyism.com image 380x281]

Wait.....what?

This is our world now. We've polarized into two camps:
1) Gender is absolutely binary, and all deviations from that must be purified with fire
2) Gender is absolutely fluid, everything is nothing and nothing is everything and it's all good and the only truth is your truth but don't you dare say your truth is truth because that would be bad.

Those are your options. Pick a side and start hating the other side.


Wait...which one is Republican?
 
2014-02-08 11:39:00 AM

TwistedFark: markfara: snocone: Is this a good place to state that modern "psychology" is moving towards stating that the "normal" sexual orientation for humans is bisexuality?

There is an evolving consensus.

Conflating sexuality with gender identity will get you yelled at.

Yup - just ask my friend the lesbian male to female transsexual.

While intellectually I sorta understand it, I can't understand why the genital mutilation needed to happen. I'm not a psychologist, but couldn't something like cognitive behavioural therapy be used to treat any sort of revulsion to the male member? It just seems like the loss of sexual function would be over time even more mentally damaging than simply learning to express ones gender identity with um... having a male bit there.


I don't think it's correct to say a trans gender mtw is repulsed at having a penis. Instead she believes the penis is out of place and inappropriate to her identity. Anyway, since you asked if CBT could fix someone from being repulsed at having a penis...

People kill themselves because they are revolted/appalled by their bodies all the time. Body dismorphic disorder (or holding beliefs that your body is disfigured) isnt that far removed from the belief that you came with defective parts. Dysmorphic disorder is one of the most difficult disorders for psych people to treat and it has one of the highest suicide rates. Most trans ppl dont have BDD but if they do, it's near impossible to talk away a repulsion.
 
2014-02-08 11:44:14 AM
How do you see "yourself" when you dream?

/careful
 
2014-02-08 11:51:48 AM

FirstNationalBastard: elysive: frepnog: snocone: Is this a good place to state that modern "psychology" is moving towards stating that the "normal" sexual orientation for humans is bisexuality?

not true in any way, and you know it.  the majority of human population is heterosexual.  to the majority of the human population, copulation with the same sex is revolting.

saying stuff like that may get you points with the LBGTBLTRBDFMGM&GD$ groups, but it isn't true.

Much of the LGBTQ crowd have contempt for bisexuals fyi.

That... makes no sense.


You cant imagine why people might be irritated at those who "play for both teams" or "wont make up their mind"? Then there are people, both gay and straight, who say bisexuality doesnt exist at all. It is a waystation before choosing an adult lifestyle. Part of the confusion comes from our culture's preference for monogamy. Just because a person commits to a man or a woman does not mean they cannot look at other people of either gender.

My partner even is very open minded and has an advanced psych degree but has screwy ideas. I think he's afraid, so long as I identify as bi, that I may leave him for a woman. As if a word has anything to do with organic attractions.
 
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