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2014-02-08 10:59:28 AM
No Guy Gavriel Kay?
 
2014-02-08 11:37:23 AM
www.sfsite.com '
What if Prince Albert's typhoid had killed him and left him unable to diffuse the Trent Affair, leading a depressed and widowed Queen Victoria to carry out an attack on the U.S. on the eve of the Civil War?
 
2014-02-08 11:48:34 AM
alt history

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2014-02-08 11:54:59 AM

gfid: alt history

stoppedreadingrightthere.jpg


Alt history where something happens that affects the US Civil War or WW2 is overdone, like the article says, but Godzilla attacking Boston in 1773 is an interesting twist. One that i'm sure ends in the British subjects in the American colonies realising, finally, just how much Britain does for them, and the lengths and sacrifices it makes to guarantee the safety of the colonies. Realising this they agree a small tax on tea isn't too much to ask and everyone lives happily ever after.
 
2014-02-08 11:57:35 AM
The problem is, most alt history has to revolve around changing a single point in history; that's how most people view history. A truly different history would require several events to have a different outcome, but that's less dramatic and only really appeals to a very narrow niche.
 
2014-02-08 12:00:23 PM
If you're interested in this genre then The Half-Made World by Felix Gilman is a must-read. My wife has a knack for picking up books for me that turn out to be interesting; this was no exception.
 
2014-02-08 12:00:54 PM
A severe lack of Grimnoir Chronicles in there.

anonpic.be

Who doesn't love magic, noir and German WW1 Zombies, but no Nazis. Hitler is executed after his arrest in Munich instead.

And Tesla has created superweapons for each nation to defend themselves with.

Good times.
 
2014-02-08 12:02:04 PM

UNC_Samurai: The problem is, most alt history has to revolve around changing a single point in history; that's how most people view history. A truly different history would require several events to have a different outcome, but that's less dramatic and only really appeals to a very narrow niche.


So what you're saying is...for the sake of fiction these hacks  are simply using the time displacement as a narrative?!

I am SHOCKED! SHOCKED I tell you that someone would go out of there way to use an innaccurate use of time manipulation.
 
2014-02-08 12:02:33 PM

Capo Del Bandito: Who doesn't love magic


Fantasy is not alternate history.
 
2014-02-08 12:02:38 PM
 Remember back in 1773 when British troops barricaded Boston Harbor against the Beast from the Unknown?

I don't know, I was awfully young.
 
2014-02-08 12:09:54 PM
the only alt history book i remember reading falls into the category of tripe that the author is tired of -- ww2 alt history.  Ben Bova's Triumph was a decent read when i was 18 or 19 but not enough to relive to see if it still holds up.  plus it had no monsters or anything, just straight up alt history.
 
2014-02-08 12:13:04 PM
labyrinthfilm.com Yes?
 
2014-02-08 12:13:40 PM
If you're not a reader, and not tired to death of alternate WWII histories, check out the film "Fatherlands" with Rutger Hauer. It's set in post WWII Germany in advance of an upcoming summit between Hitler and JFK. It's pretty good.
 
2014-02-08 12:14:10 PM
The 1632 series was good for the first few books (the ones written by Flint and Weber), but it really bogged down after a while; a lot of the authors he brought in were nowhere near as good. A very interesting premise, though.
 
2014-02-08 12:14:49 PM
d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net

List fails without Kim Stanley Robinson's "The Years of Rice and Salt"
 
2014-02-08 12:15:33 PM
This list is Fail without any mention of Boilerplate the robot.

screencrave.com
 
2014-02-08 12:16:11 PM
I have that book, Alternative Histories of the World, by Matthew Buchholz.

It is a sort of artistic mash-up of photographs, maps, lithographs and other art work based on the premise that various monsters of horror and science fiction are real. It's quite clever and funny and nice to look at.

SPOILER

Only one of the artworks is seemingly not altered. It is a Japanese print of Tokyo and Mount Fiji. Alone of all the places in the world, not irradiated monsters or freaks have ever attacked Toyko. It is an island of sanity, calm and normalcy in a sea of weirdness.

That should give you an idea of what the book is like. I recommend it.
 
2014-02-08 12:18:45 PM
This was good, too, but it's alternate history essays, not fiction.
 
2014-02-08 12:21:12 PM
Has anyone pointed out the irony of his being a midget with a name that basically means "small penis?"
 
2014-02-08 12:22:32 PM

walktoanarcade: Has anyone pointed out the irony of his being a midget with a name that basically means "small penis?"


Oops, that was for the "Peter Dinklage" thread.

Oh well, point made.
 
2014-02-08 12:23:09 PM
No subby, because duh, that happened in 1774.
 
2014-02-08 12:23:52 PM
How about a scenario where China and the Soviet Union went to war in the 70s? That would be interesting.
 
2014-02-08 12:23:57 PM
No, but I remember when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

/ Never forget!
 
2014-02-08 12:24:12 PM
Remember back in 1773 when British troops barricaded Boston Harbor against the Beast from the Unknown?

img.fark.net


Pepperidge Farm remembers.
 
2014-02-08 12:31:06 PM
What if the world was run by women and rulers decided by naked jello wrestling?
 
2014-02-08 12:32:24 PM

Richard C Stanford: How about a scenario where China and the Soviet Union went to war in the 70s? That would be interesting.


The Bear and The Dragon. Good book.

I'm currently reading the Nantucket series. I love me some straight up time-travel alternate history.
 
2014-02-08 12:32:48 PM
As much as I hate Orson Scott Card, Pastwatch is a very interesting alt-history book.
 
2014-02-08 12:34:52 PM

Theaetetus: This was good, too, but it's alternate history essays, not fiction.


Now that looks interesting. Thanks.
 
2014-02-08 12:35:29 PM
Subby:  I didn't know that your mom lived in Boston back then.
 
2014-02-08 12:36:32 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-08 12:39:01 PM
Darwinia was written by Robert Charles Wilson, not Robert Charles.
 
2014-02-08 12:50:45 PM

Theaetetus: Capo Del Bandito: Who doesn't love magic

Fantasy is not alternate history.


Fantasy does seem to make up a good portion of the novels in TFA.
 
2014-02-08 12:57:11 PM

Theaetetus: Capo Del Bandito: Who doesn't love magic

Fantasy is not alternate history.


It's a creature from another dimension empowering people to harvest their energy while the creature itself flees from an interdimensional horror that eats things and worlds.

Magic is used more as a plot point rather than sword and sorcery.
 
2014-02-08 12:58:28 PM
ecx.images-amazon.com
Here's the one which still makes me cry years later, Terry Bisson's Fire on the Mountain
 
2014-02-08 01:01:00 PM

Slaxl: gfid: alt history

stoppedreadingrightthere.jpg

Alt history where something happens that affects the US Civil War or WW2 is overdone, like the article says, but Godzilla attacking Boston in 1773 is an interesting twist. One that i'm sure ends in the British subjects in the American colonies realising, finally, just how much Britain does for them, and the lengths and sacrifices it makes to guarantee the safety of the colonies. Realising this they agree a small tax on tea isn't too much to ask and everyone lives happily ever after.


That's even worse than alt history.  That's alt fantasy.

What if Godzilla attacked Boston in 1773 instead of attacking Tokyo in whatever 20th century year Godzilla attacked Tokyo?  Spare me.

Alt history actually could be quite interesting.  In this case it makes me wonder if there is any policy England could have enacted which would placate the US colonies and make them remain loyal - or at least loyal enough to follow a path like Australia or Canada.

An alt "history" where Godzilla attacks Boston in the 18th century?  Okay, if they make a movie out of it I'll watch it when it hits Netflix knowing that it will probably suck.

But isn't Godzilla the result of nuclear fallout or some shiat?  Imagine if the US had nukes back in the 18th century.  Oh man, we would have nuked everything.  The Trail of Tears?  That sounds bad, maybe we should just use a nuke!

What, they burned the White House?  Oh hell no, Canada is now a glass parking lot.

The Alamo probably would have turned out differently too.

And just think, we would have shared that technology with France.  Now Imagine the French Revolution.....with nuclear weapons.  Awesome.

Pax Nucleareum....or whatever the latin for nuclear weapons is.
 
2014-02-08 01:05:27 PM
If you want stories of monsters in MA, just read Lovecraft.
 
2014-02-08 01:08:00 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Richard C Stanford: How about a scenario where China and the Soviet Union went to war in the 70s? That would be interesting.

The Bear and The Dragon. Good book.

I'm currently reading the Nantucket series. I love me some straight up time-travel alternate history.


Yeah, I enjoyed it as well as the Embers series where we find out what happened to everyone else.

MuonNeutrino: The 1632 series was good for the first few books (the ones written by Flint and Weber), but it really bogged down after a while; a lot of the authors he brought in were nowhere near as good. A very interesting premise, though.


Yeah I sort of fell off after awhile since I couldn't keep up.  It is one of the few series fully willing to let anyone play in their universe though.
 
2014-02-08 01:08:52 PM

gfid: alt history

stoppedreadingrightthere.jpg


alt history is republican reality
 
2014-02-08 01:08:55 PM
He does.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

/hot link
//Abbie Mills for the win.
 
2014-02-08 01:09:04 PM

gfid: Slaxl: gfid: alt history

stoppedreadingrightthere.jpg

Alt history where something happens that affects the US Civil War or WW2 is overdone, like the article says, but Godzilla attacking Boston in 1773 is an interesting twist. One that i'm sure ends in the British subjects in the American colonies realising, finally, just how much Britain does for them, and the lengths and sacrifices it makes to guarantee the safety of the colonies. Realising this they agree a small tax on tea isn't too much to ask and everyone lives happily ever after.

That's even worse than alt history.  That's alt fantasy.

What if Godzilla attacked Boston in 1773 instead of attacking Tokyo in whatever 20th century year Godzilla attacked Tokyo?  Spare me.

Alt history actually could be quite interesting.  In this case it makes me wonder if there is any policy England could have enacted which would placate the US colonies and make them remain loyal - or at least loyal enough to follow a path like Australia or Canada.

An alt "history" where Godzilla attacks Boston in the 18th century?  Okay, if they make a movie out of it I'll watch it when it hits Netflix knowing that it will probably suck.

But isn't Godzilla the result of nuclear fallout or some shiat?  Imagine if the US had nukes back in the 18th century.  Oh man, we would have nuked everything.  The Trail of Tears?  That sounds bad, maybe we should just use a nuke!

What, they burned the White House?  Oh hell no, Canada is now a glass parking lot.

The Alamo probably would have turned out differently too.

And just think, we would have shared that technology with France.  Now Imagine the French Revolution.....with nuclear weapons.  Awesome.

Pax Nucleareum....or whatever the latin for nuclear weapons is.


It's not actually Godzilla, it's the Beast from the Unknown, I just said Godzilla because I was lazy.
 
2014-02-08 01:13:43 PM
Sorry to neglect the Civil War.  What if Fort Sumter were the only nuclear base in the US when the shiat hit the fan.  Does that mean Fort Sumter would have destroyed Johnny Reb along with itself or that the South could have taken over and nuked Washington DC?

Even if we had nukes back then, how would they be delivered?  If we had nukes does that automatically mean we would have had missiles capable of delivering them long distance?

And what if John Lennon had been alive and sang Give Peach a Chance (yeah, typo, but I like it so I'm leaving it there).

Georgia should adopt Give Peach a Chance as an advertising slogan.

Eat a Peach for Peace!
 
2014-02-08 01:14:08 PM
One alternate history scenario I've been toying with for several months now is one in which the Centralists fail to take control of Mexico after it breaks away from Spain.  That would mean, among other things, that the 1824 Constitution would not be suspended, and thus Texas would no longer have a reason to secede from Mexico, so Texas would either remain a Mexican state or wouldn't secede until later (possibly after the American Civil War).  Depending on how subsequent events would play out, it might also mean that the Mexican-American War doesn't happen at all, leaving Mexico with nearly twice as much territory as it has today, including Texas, California, and much of the American southwest.
 
2014-02-08 01:15:54 PM

MuonNeutrino: The 1632 series was good for the first few books (the ones written by Flint and Weber), but it really bogged down after a while; a lot of the authors he brought in were nowhere near as good. A very interesting premise, though.


I always thought the 1632 series would make a really good TV show.

Capo Del Bandito: A severe lack of Grimnoir Chronicles in there.


As a counterpoint, Monster Hunter International (by the same author) was one of the worst books I've ever read - so amateurish in every aspect I'm astonished it got published.
 
2014-02-08 01:24:41 PM
How can The Terror not be on that list? Good stuff.
 
2014-02-08 01:25:15 PM
i172.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-08 01:30:40 PM
I didn't mind Turtledove's Worldwar series, in which aliens invade Earth mid WWII and everyone finds they must help each other too deal with them.
 
2014-02-08 01:31:52 PM

Slaxl: It's not actually Godzilla, it's the Beast from the Unknown, I just said Godzilla because I was lazy.


Dammit, just as I was starting to embrace this alt history/fantasy

And just as I was starting to ponder what our ancestors would have thought of today's conflicts.

"lolwut?  You went to war with Afghanistan for 10+ years and didn't accomplish shiat and you didn't just nuke them?"

We'd probably have to explain to our forefathers that it just wouldn't be sporting to pull out nuclear weapons to use against the Taliban.
 
2014-02-08 01:37:56 PM
dammit double post. what's with the site today?
 
2014-02-08 01:40:51 PM
Bahhh, Hollywood is out of new ideas.

Here are some new ideas.

Bahhh....

I can easily see some of these being adapted to film. Especially the G.R.R. Martin one. Somebody will try to ride the coattails of ASOIAF. Might not be that well done, but, its logical that someone will see dollar signs and want to go for it.
 
2014-02-08 01:42:09 PM

Pointy Tail of Satan:


If you read this backwards it is the story of a monster who rebuilds Boston and wins over the populace before slipping out to sea and disappearing like Puff the Magic Dragon
 
2014-02-08 01:52:54 PM
big.assets.huffingtonpost.com
 
2014-02-08 01:55:04 PM

iron_city_ap: I can easily see some of these being adapted to film. Especially the G.R.R. Martin one. Somebody will try to ride the coattails of ASOIAF. Might not be that well done, but, its logical that someone will see dollar signs and want to go for it.


If they want to adapt a GRRM property, Fevre Dream would make an amazing vampire movie.
 
2014-02-08 02:01:51 PM
They forgot Jeffrey E. Barlough's Western Lights series where something caused a second ice age in Victorian times.  One of the books hinted it was a refugee alien ship losing all power and slamming into the earth.
 
2014-02-08 02:21:18 PM
Alien Space Bats.

/RIP Alison
 
2014-02-08 02:21:41 PM
If we're talking althist I'll offer up two that I thought were excellent:

Ruled Brittana (Successful invasion by Spanish Armada)
Worldwar (Alien invasion during WWII, but I loved it anyway)
 
2014-02-08 02:36:19 PM

iron_city_ap: Bahhh, Hollywood is out of new ideas.

Here are some new ideas.

Bahhh....

I can easily see some of these being adapted to film. Especially the G.R.R. Martin one. Somebody will try to ride the coattails of ASOIAF. Might not be that well done, but, its logical that someone will see dollar signs and want to go for it.


GRRM apparently has a 6  series deal with HBO after GoT season 1 happened. As in 6 other series besides GoT. So it's pretty much a lock that Wild Cards is going to be an HBO series. The problem with Wild Cards is that it's a multi-author shared universe, so adapting specific stories is going to get tricky in getting a lot of different author approvals. Still, I'm sure HBO is going to have enough cash to throw at this problem.
 
2014-02-08 02:44:27 PM

Theaetetus: Capo Del Bandito: Who doesn't love magic

Fantasy is not alternate history.


this
 
2014-02-08 03:16:32 PM
I'm currently reading the Northlands Trilogy.
 
2014-02-08 03:18:59 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I'm currently reading the Nantucket series.


What if there were a man whose dick was so long, he could suck it?
 
2014-02-08 03:23:31 PM

FrancoFile: [d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net image 289x475]

List fails without Kim Stanley Robinson's "The Years of Rice and Salt"


Just checked out the Wiki page on that -- that's a fascinating premise.  Is it a good read? (I've heard his Mars Trilogy was kind of a bore.)
 
2014-02-08 03:34:01 PM
Since I just mentioned this in another thread... How about a Soviet/Afgani war that also included ugly high-tech war machines and modern people on both sides with magical combat powers?
img.fark.net

The Red Star
was an amazing comic book/graphic/prose novel series from Image that also included a really hard video game.  If you like post apocalyptic fiction it's really worth checking out.
 
2014-02-08 03:54:47 PM
I'm able to keep track of the 1632 books, but then, history major- I'm used to long and complicated with way too many people for normal brains to keep track of.  (And brains like mine occasionally need cribs notes as well.)

Like most wannabes, I'm working on my own project.  And by working I mean I'm having fun geeking out on research while occasionally writing bits and pieces and having geekfests with my sister when a question falls under her areas of knowledge.  Anglo-Saxon England is fascinating, and I haven't seen it used yet.
 
2014-02-08 04:03:23 PM
Kim Newman's "Anno Dracula" is good, but "The Bloody Red Baron" is even better.
 
2014-02-08 04:21:23 PM

Theaetetus: [www.sfsite.com image 173x290] '
What if Prince Albert's typhoid had killed him and left him unable to diffuse the Trent Affair, leading a depressed and widowed Queen Victoria to carry out an attack on the U.S. on the eve of the Civil War?


That was a horrid book. Maybe HH's worst (I haven't read ALL of his stuff. A lot is really good). Everybody was made of cardboard, and stuff happened that would never have happened. Aliens could have invaded and the Southerners would not have ended slavery. Not to mention the utter stupidity of the Brits. I presume some limey must have peed in HH's cornflakes once.
 
2014-02-08 04:25:17 PM

Gunther: MuonNeutrino: The 1632 series was good for the first few books (the ones written by Flint and Weber), but it really bogged down after a while; a lot of the authors he brought in were nowhere near as good. A very interesting premise, though.

I always thought the 1632 series would make a really good TV show.

Capo Del Bandito: A severe lack of Grimnoir Chronicles in there.

As a counterpoint, Monster Hunter International (by the same author) was one of the worst books I've ever read - so amateurish in every aspect I'm astonished it got published.


You are correct. Talk about Mary Sueism! But, he got better. Grimnoir Chronicles is good pulpy stuff.
 
2014-02-08 05:17:32 PM
I enjoy some of this genre, but not all of it.

Thanks for the leads to books I might enjoy!
 
2014-02-08 05:20:03 PM

anfrind: One alternate history scenario I've been toying with for several months now is one in which the Centralists fail to take control of Mexico after it breaks away from Spain.  That would mean, among other things, that the 1824 Constitution would not be suspended, and thus Texas would no longer have a reason to secede from Mexico, so Texas would either remain a Mexican state or wouldn't secede until later (possibly after the American Civil War).  Depending on how subsequent events would play out, it might also mean that the Mexican-American War doesn't happen at all, leaving Mexico with nearly twice as much territory as it has today, including Texas, California, and much of the American southwest.


I'd argue that Polk would have found a way to invade Mexico regardless (assuming he ended up president). The urge for more land, particularly to spread slavery in the South, was massive for him.

You can make the argument that Polk might not have ended up president without the Texas annexation question hanging over the nation, but I think he was the right asshole at the right moment.

/ I also think he is in the running for America's biggest monster of a president.
// Yes, Jackson likely leads that race
/// Jackson is still on my three man presidential fighting team with Teddy and Ike.
 
2014-02-08 05:34:18 PM

suburbanguy: Remember back in 1773 when British troops barricaded Boston Harbor against the Beast from the Unknown?

[img.fark.net image 240x208]

Pepperidge Farm remembers.


Oh God damn you for stealing my joke!!
 
2014-02-08 06:02:26 PM

SheltemDragon: anfrind: One alternate history scenario I've been toying with for several months now is one in which the Centralists fail to take control of Mexico after it breaks away from Spain.  That would mean, among other things, that the 1824 Constitution would not be suspended, and thus Texas would no longer have a reason to secede from Mexico, so Texas would either remain a Mexican state or wouldn't secede until later (possibly after the American Civil War).  Depending on how subsequent events would play out, it might also mean that the Mexican-American War doesn't happen at all, leaving Mexico with nearly twice as much territory as it has today, including Texas, California, and much of the American southwest.

I'd argue that Polk would have found a way to invade Mexico regardless (assuming he ended up president). The urge for more land, particularly to spread slavery in the South, was massive for him.

You can make the argument that Polk might not have ended up president without the Texas annexation question hanging over the nation, but I think he was the right asshole at the right moment.

/ I also think he is in the running for America's biggest monster of a president.
// Yes, Jackson likely leads that race
/// Jackson is still on my three man presidential fighting team with Teddy and Ike.


That could be.  The idea came to me when I visited the Alamo last August, but I haven't done much research since then.

/probably will never actually publish anything based on this idea
 
2014-02-08 07:09:37 PM
What is the Fark collectives opinion on this one?

upload.wikimedia.org

I rather enjoyed it I hear they are turning it into a BBC1 series.
 
2014-02-08 09:29:15 PM

SheltemDragon: anfrind: One alternate history scenario I've been toying with for several months now is one in which the Centralists fail to take control of Mexico after it breaks away from Spain.  That would mean, among other things, that the 1824 Constitution would not be suspended, and thus Texas would no longer have a reason to secede from Mexico, so Texas would either remain a Mexican state or wouldn't secede until later (possibly after the American Civil War).  Depending on how subsequent events would play out, it might also mean that the Mexican-American War doesn't happen at all, leaving Mexico with nearly twice as much territory as it has today, including Texas, California, and much of the American southwest.

I'd argue that Polk would have found a way to invade Mexico regardless (assuming he ended up president). The urge for more land, particularly to spread slavery in the South, was massive for him.

You can make the argument that Polk might not have ended up president without the Texas annexation question hanging over the nation, but I think he was the right asshole at the right moment.

/ I also think he is in the running for America's biggest monster of a president.
// Yes, Jackson likely leads that race
/// Jackson is still on my three man presidential fighting team with Teddy and Ike.


Well, without Polk we wouldn't have the south west USA, so no Albuquerque and no Breaking Bad, no California, no California gold rush, no Colerado, no San Fransisco, and no Texas. Wait, we could have had no San Fransico or Texas? Hey, Polk really is history's greatest monster!
 
2014-02-08 09:36:13 PM

Arkanaut: FrancoFile: [d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net image 289x475]

List fails without Kim Stanley Robinson's "The Years of Rice and Salt"

Just checked out the Wiki page on that -- that's a fascinating premise.  Is it a good read? (I've heard his Mars Trilogy was kind of a bore.)


It takes place over a multi-century time span, so you don't have the same characters throughout.  I thought it was an excellent thought experiment. A few parts were slow, but most of it was a pretty good read.
 
2014-02-09 05:02:14 AM
I'm a big believer in a form of historical inevitability. If the root causes, and certain various things are in place- popular opinions, beliefs, weather, demographics, etc., then things are going to essentially work out the same way in the long run and the deaths- or not- of key people might have sped things up a bit or slowed things down but in the end would have little if no effect. Had, for instance, Henry V of England not been killed by dysentery, he may have lived another thirty years- but instead of being remembered as the victor of Agincourt he might just be remembered now as Henry Half-Kingdom- because their was no way, given the respective populations, England could maintain hold of France and so a different Henry would have lost the Hundred Years War.
 
2014-02-09 10:18:40 AM
www.maniacworld.com
Did it look like this?

/I can't believe we're this far in and no one had posted this
 
2014-02-09 11:13:57 AM

FrancoFile: Arkanaut: FrancoFile: [d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net image 289x475]

List fails without Kim Stanley Robinson's "The Years of Rice and Salt"

Just checked out the Wiki page on that -- that's a fascinating premise.  Is it a good read? (I've heard his Mars Trilogy was kind of a bore.)

It takes place over a multi-century time span, so you don't have the same characters throughout.  I thought it was an excellent thought experiment. A few parts were slow, but most of it was a pretty good read.


But they are the same characters being reincarnated throughout the story. Good read and an interesting premise where Western European history ends before it really begins.
 
2014-02-09 11:43:17 AM

Svlad Cjelli: FrancoFile: Arkanaut: FrancoFile: [d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net image 289x475]

List fails without Kim Stanley Robinson's "The Years of Rice and Salt"

Just checked out the Wiki page on that -- that's a fascinating premise.  Is it a good read? (I've heard his Mars Trilogy was kind of a bore.)

It takes place over a multi-century time span, so you don't have the same characters throughout.  I thought it was an excellent thought experiment. A few parts were slow, but most of it was a pretty good read.

But they are the same characters being reincarnated throughout the story. Good read and an interesting premise where Western European history ends before it really begins.


I wasn't very fond of that bit...
 
2014-02-09 03:56:25 PM

MuonNeutrino: The 1632 series was good for the first few books (the ones written by Flint and Weber), but it really bogged down after a while; a lot of the authors he brought in were nowhere near as good. A very interesting premise, though.


Concur; liked the first two, then, yeah...they bog down big-time.
 
2014-02-09 08:16:25 PM

PunGent: MuonNeutrino: The 1632 series was good for the first few books (the ones written by Flint and Weber), but it really bogged down after a while; a lot of the authors he brought in were nowhere near as good. A very interesting premise, though.

Concur; liked the first two, then, yeah...they bog down big-time.


The D&D playing teenagers are by far the best characters by that point.
 
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