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(KHOU Houston)   HOA that claims it doesn't have the money to replace a tattered American flag on their property suddenly discovers the money to replace it after a television news crew starts asking questions   (khou.com) divider line 50
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2014-02-08 07:11:21 AM
Don't worry.  They'll just raise their fees to cover the cost.  Also, you have to be a moran to willingly subject yourself to an HOA, unless you have trusting people assure you they are a decent one.
 
2014-02-08 07:17:44 AM
Stupid morans...
 
2014-02-08 07:18:44 AM
I'm pretty anti-nationalistic, but I get thoroughly pissed off when I see people hanging the flag wrong, leaving it out to get torn up in the weather, etc.

If you're going to be so patriotic as to fly the flag, do it right.
 
2014-02-08 07:19:00 AM
Even if they didn't have the money, taking the old flag down until they do is the proper action. There is nothing wrong with flying the Texas flag by itself.
 
2014-02-08 07:19:57 AM
Better yet, take it down.

Do people REALLY need a reminder of what country they live in?  In case they forget?
 
2014-02-08 07:22:37 AM
So next time a homeowner there forgets to cut their grass, they can claim it is due to lack of funds.
 
2014-02-08 07:25:47 AM

INeedAName: I'm pretty anti-nationalistic, but I get thoroughly pissed off when I see people hanging the flag wrong, leaving it out to get torn up in the weather, etc.

If you're going to be so patriotic as to fly the flag, do it right.


Agreed. My neighbor flies one that is constantly entangled in the outer branches of a nearby tree. It's currently frozen to them, and covered with snow. It looks like shiat, and makes me(not particularly patriotic) want to go ask him wtf his problem is.
 
2014-02-08 07:29:20 AM
Wait, an HOA that allows a flag to be flown? Is it Opposite Day already?
 
2014-02-08 07:33:45 AM
Will they be able to get it all the way up ? Most American flags seem to only make it up half way anymore .
 
2014-02-08 07:35:40 AM

oukewldave: Don't worry.  They'll just raise their fees to cover the cost.  Also, you have to be a moran to willingly subject yourself to an HOA, unless you have trusting people assure you they are a decent one.


Fixed.
 
2014-02-08 07:36:44 AM
All weather flags really aren't that expensive.
 
2014-02-08 07:38:23 AM
Yeah right . A flag is so expensive you could hardly afford a new one. You'd probably have to get a whole dollar from each homeowner. Ain't nobody got that kind of money.
 
2014-02-08 07:43:12 AM

farkmedown: oukewldave: Don't worry.  They'll just raise their fees to cover the cost.  Also, you have to be a moran to willingly subject yourself to an HOA, unless you have trusting people assure you they are a decent one.

Fixed.


Fixed-fixed.
 
2014-02-08 07:45:52 AM
Slow news day?
 
2014-02-08 07:49:05 AM

Alphax: Better yet, take it down.

Do people REALLY need a reminder of what country they live in?  In case they forget?


This is Houston, where I live.  So, yes.
 
2014-02-08 08:00:59 AM

oukewldave: Don't worry.  They'll just raise their fees to cover the cost.  Also, you have to be a moran to willingly subject yourself to an HOA, unless you have trusting people assure you they are a decent one.


Yeah, good luck going without an HOA fo some sort.  If you want to live in a city in a house built since 1960 you're pretty much stuck with one.

Aside from outrageous monthly fees, mine's ot so bad.  They prefer warnings over fines provided whatever you did is not completely outrageous.

I just paid my fees yesterday (late, as usual - no late charges).  It all seems worthwhile when it's -15 degrees outside and it's 1 AM and I hear some poor shmuck shoveling my sidewalk all the way to my front door.

If I had wanted to be a dick about it, I would have opened my door and asked them if they could keep the noise down...lol,   If I were nice, I would have offered to brew them some coffee or hot chocolate, but there was no way I was opening my door that night.

A couple of my neighbors fly a flag every farking day and that doesn't seem to be a problem either.

The horror stories you hear in the news are actually quite rare or involve someone truly being an ass-hat.

I won't even go so far as to say I like my HOA, but I don't hate it either.  If I get really worked up, I could try to get elected to the HOA board (my agenda?  close the pool, I never use it anyway and it's closed half the year), cut the grass every other week instead of every week during the summer and we can wait at least another year to repaint all the townhomes and condos. It really didn't look that bad when you did it last time.

Certain aspects of having an HOA (at least for me) make a lot of sense even if I do think it costs too much.  Snow removal?  Hell yeah!  I don't want to go outside and shovel snow when the high temperature is only 0 degrees (F).  Imagine if we all cut our own lawns.

The neighborhood I grew up in also had an HOA, but it didn't do lawns and snow removal was not an issue, but nonetheless at least 80% of that neighborhood banded together and hired the same goddammed lawn service anyway.

Not our house though - we used the same "yard man" (that's what we called him) until he had a heart attack on our lawn and we had to tell him to quit.  I was stoked, because I got paid $20 to mow, edge and sweep and rake everything which seemed like a fortune to me at the time.

We felt bad for the "yard man".  He was a preacher in some poor community church that we didn't attend and about 75 years old mowing lawns during the week just to put food on his table.  I'm pretty sure he didn't have health care provided by his church and I'm damned sure we didn't pay anything specific for his health care.
 
2014-02-08 08:05:15 AM
Yeah but is EVERYBODY wearing their flag lapel pins?
 
2014-02-08 08:14:32 AM

AdrienVeidt: Alphax: Better yet, take it down.

Do people REALLY need a reminder of what country they live in?  In case they forget?

This is Houston, where I live.  So, yes.


Wait I thought you people seceded again. What's the holdup? Can we help?
 
2014-02-08 08:14:57 AM

Summoner101: All weather flags really aren't that expensive.


"All weather flags" shouldn't be a thing.  If you're going to fly the flag, do it right.  That means you don't fly it in the rain or snow and you don't fly it at night unless it's properly lit.

There's a bunch of "flag etiquette" that should be followed if you truly want to show respect for your flag and country.

Some people notice that shiat.  About 15 years ago I worked in an office building next to a hotel.  The hotel was owned by a Canadian company so they normally flew the US flag, the Canadian flag and the state flag on 3 separate poles.  So one day for some reason the US flag was supposed to be flown at half staff, which they did and they correctly lowered the state flag too, but they left the Canadian flag at the top of its pole.

I just remember half the office looking out the window shaking their heads   I don't recall anyone actually calling them up to complain, but I'm sure a bunch of people did because it only took them about an hour to correct that.

This is not one of the more subtle points of flag etiquette.  If you're going to fly the US flag inside the US, you don't let any other flag fly above it.

/yeah, CSB, ain't it?
//(these slashies left intentionally black)
///I've heard it's proper slashy etiquette to make them come in threes.  I don't know why, but I'll respect it anyway
 
2014-02-08 08:31:16 AM

Summoner101: All weather flags really aren't that expensive.


Even cheaper when you get a Chinese all weather flag.
 
2014-02-08 08:31:18 AM

gfid: If you're going to fly the US flag inside the US, you don't let any other flag fly above it.


Was the Canadian flag in the center?
 
2014-02-08 08:35:02 AM

gfid: oukewldave: Don't worry.  They'll just raise their fees to cover the cost.  Also, you have to be a moran to willingly subject yourself to an HOA, unless you have trusting people assure you they are a decent one.

Yeah, good luck going without an HOA fo some sort.  If you want to live in a city in a house built since 1960 you're pretty much stuck with one.

Aside from outrageous monthly fees, mine's ot so bad.  They prefer warnings over fines provided whatever you did is not completely outrageous.

I just paid my fees yesterday (late, as usual - no late charges).  It all seems worthwhile when it's -15 degrees outside and it's 1 AM and I hear some poor shmuck shoveling my sidewalk all the way to my front door.

If I had wanted to be a dick about it, I would have opened my door and asked them if they could keep the noise down...lol,   If I were nice, I would have offered to brew them some coffee or hot chocolate, but there was no way I was opening my door that night.

A couple of my neighbors fly a flag every farking day and that doesn't seem to be a problem either.

The horror stories you hear in the news are actually quite rare or involve someone truly being an ass-hat.

I won't even go so far as to say I like my HOA, but I don't hate it either.  If I get really worked up, I could try to get elected to the HOA board (my agenda?  close the pool, I never use it anyway and it's closed half the year), cut the grass every other week instead of every week during the summer and we can wait at least another year to repaint all the townhomes and condos. It really didn't look that bad when you did it last time.

Certain aspects of having an HOA (at least for me) make a lot of sense even if I do think it costs too much.  Snow removal?  Hell yeah!  I don't want to go outside and shovel snow when the high temperature is only 0 degrees (F).  Imagine if we all cut our own lawns.

The neighborhood I grew up in also had an HOA, but it didn't do lawns and snow removal was not an issue ...



i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-08 08:39:00 AM

gfid: Summoner101: All weather flags really aren't that expensive.

"All weather flags" shouldn't be a thing.  If you're going to fly the flag, do it right.  That means you don't fly it in the rain or snow and you don't fly it at night unless it's properly lit.

There's a bunch of "flag etiquette" that should be followed if you truly want to show respect for your flag and country.

Some people notice that shiat.  About 15 years ago I worked in an office building next to a hotel.  The hotel was owned by a Canadian company so they normally flew the US flag, the Canadian flag and the state flag on 3 separate poles.  So one day for some reason the US flag was supposed to be flown at half staff, which they did and they correctly lowered the state flag too, but they left the Canadian flag at the top of its pole.

I just remember half the office looking out the window shaking their heads   I don't recall anyone actually calling them up to complain, but I'm sure a bunch of people did because it only took them about an hour to correct that.

This is not one of the more subtle points of flag etiquette.  If you're going to fly the US flag inside the US, you don't let any other flag fly above it.

/yeah, CSB, ain't it?
//(these slashies left intentionally black)
///I've heard it's proper slashy etiquette to make them come in threes.  I don't know why, but I'll respect it anyway


This .And quit lowering it for every D list actor who passes away .
 
2014-02-08 08:47:19 AM

gfid: The horror stories you hear in the news are actually quite rare or involve someone truly being an ass-hat.


I would bet that HOAs that cut everyones grass, shovel everyones snow and paint everyones houses are quite rare as well. Usually all you get for your dues is that they won't foreclose on you.

I live in an unincorporated subdivision. It has an HOA but joining is optional. We never have because they don't do anything for anyone. The only thing they claim that I'm aware of is that they use it to maintain the community pool. But joining the HOA and paying dues alone doesn't give you access. You still have to pay a few hundred bucks a year for a membership.
 
2014-02-08 08:50:49 AM

MooseUpNorth: gfid: If you're going to fly the US flag inside the US, you don't let any other flag fly above it.

Was the Canadian flag in the center?


Probably in the centre.
 
2014-02-08 08:55:31 AM

gfid: Summoner101: All weather flags really aren't that expensive.

"All weather flags" shouldn't be a thing.  If you're going to fly the flag, do it right.  That means you don't fly it in the rain or snow and you don't fly it at night unless it's properly lit.

There's a bunch of "flag etiquette" that should be followed if you truly want to show respect for your flag and country.

Some people notice that shiat.  About 15 years ago I worked in an office building next to a hotel.  The hotel was owned by a Canadian company so they normally flew the US flag, the Canadian flag and the state flag on 3 separate poles.  So one day for some reason the US flag was supposed to be flown at half staff, which they did and they correctly lowered the state flag too, but they left the Canadian flag at the top of its pole.

I just remember half the office looking out the window shaking their heads   I don't recall anyone actually calling them up to complain, but I'm sure a bunch of people did because it only took them about an hour to correct that.

This is not one of the more subtle points of flag etiquette.  If you're going to fly the US flag inside the US, you don't let any other flag fly above it.

/yeah, CSB, ain't it?
//(these slashies left intentionally black)
///I've heard it's proper slashy etiquette to make them come in threes.  I don't know why, but I'll respect it anyway


I admit i don't know all the flag etiquette but I do know the US flag is supposed to be higher than other flags. I was shopping in a wal-mart and noticed they had the US flag about a foot lower than the state flag hanging on the wall. after a quick google search on my phone to make sure i recalled the rule correctly. I went over to customer service and informed them (very nicely and quietly) about it. To there credit they jumped right on it and the issue was corrected before I left. 

I'm not one who considers a piece of cloth made in china to be sacred, but if you are going to fly it fly it right and with the proper etiquette.
 
2014-02-08 08:58:35 AM

lack of warmth: Summoner101: All weather flags really aren't that expensive.

Even cheaper when you get a Chinese all weather flag.


Ho kay, frag ordah ready 10 minute.
 
2014-02-08 09:36:00 AM
Texas people problems...
 
2014-02-08 09:36:09 AM

abhorrent1: I would bet that HOAs that cut everyones grass, shovel everyones snow and paint everyones houses are quite rare as well. Usually all you get for your dues is that they won't foreclose on you.


Well,, I did mention that these are townhomes and condos, right?

They're all attached.  It would be ridiculous to leave the painting and the roofing up to each individual owner.

The snow removal probably takes a big opportunity out of a lot of teenager's lives who live here though.  It would be a pain in the ass to pay a neighborhood kid to do it though.  Can you rely on the kid to get it done within 24 hours so the city doesn't fine you?  How much do you pay him?  Shoveling 2 inches of snow is not nearly as hard as shoveling 8 inches of snow.

It's easier to put a fixed price on mowing the lawn, but it would look like crap and be incredibly wasteful unless people joined together to hire someone to do them all at the same time.  If I mowed my own lawn half the effort would be just in going out to the garage and walking the lawn mower around the other homes just to get to my portion of the lawn - unless I just wheeled the lawn mower through my living room.

The only complaint I have about my HOA is the expense.  I'm sure I could hire someone to mow and remove snow for less than I pay per month, but they have to build up a warchest for when the roof needs replacing or the exterior needs painting.  People will say, but you also have a property management team to oversee all that too and you have to pay them, but what they fail to realize is that the "property management team" has lots of properties to manage, not just ours.

Oh, and of course there's the pool, which I've only used twice and gotten biatched at because I prefer to swim late at night when it's supposed to be closed.  Who the hell cares if I swim at midnight.  There's no lifeguard ever.  It's swim at your own risk.

You'd think HOA fees would go down for some of these overhead costs as the community expands, but of course it doesn't.  The pool is an excellent example.  It's going to cost $x to maintain no matter how many homes the HOA covers.  The more homes, the less it should cost per home.   WEHT the good old days when if you didn't have your own pool you joined the YMCA or some other club with a pool and if you didn't feel the need to swim you just didn't pay for it and you didn't swim?
 
2014-02-08 09:46:14 AM
I'm surprised the HOA didn't toss the camera crew for trespassing.
 
2014-02-08 09:47:20 AM
All it takes is a little public humiliation to motivate an asshat.
 
2014-02-08 09:49:19 AM
Just a minor correction: there is one exception to the 'US Flag must be highest' rule.
On a gaff-rigged flagpole, the US flag is flown from the gaff, and the club burgee (or whatever) is flown from the top of the pole.
The gaff is physically lower than the top of the pole, but 'more important'.
I like Flag Etiquette.
 
2014-02-08 09:56:32 AM

gfid: Shoveling 2 inches of snow is not nearly as hard as shoveling 8 inches of snow.


And before anyone says just pay them by the inch, a wet snow is harder to shovel than a dry snow.

I'm on my own as far as the back yard goes - the space between the home and the garage.  I don't even own a snow shovel.  I use a broom.  If we get 8 inches of wet snow and I haven't been out there sweeping every hour or so, it's a lost cause.  I'll just get my feet wet whenever I leave or come back.

I had a great example of that a couple of weeks ago.  Nice fine powdery snow on a Sunday - it all whisked away with barely any effort.  Then Wednesday came and it was about the same number of inches, but it was wet and yucky and took about 10 times the effort.

50% chance of snow tonight.  Yee-hawwwwww!  I'm about done with winter.  It may even get up to 20 today.  It's a goddamned heatwave I tell ya'.  And it won't do anything for the ice-pack on the street in front of me except maybe make more moguls.

The HOA should hold a fundraiser where people bet on how long it will be before our tires actually touch pavement on the streets we live on.

yeah, I'm a whiner.   I lived in places that almost never get snow before I moved here.
 
2014-02-08 09:57:31 AM
So some asshat reporter shows up, and they feel compelled to waste money replacing a piece of cloth that's just going to get messed up again.

Stupid.  They should have left it alone, and told the reporter to fark himself, if he wanted it replaced he could replace it himself.
 
2014-02-08 10:01:22 AM

Tillmaster: Just a minor correction: there is one exception to the 'US Flag must be highest' rule.
On a gaff-rigged flagpole, the US flag is flown from the gaff, and the club burgee (or whatever) is flown from the top of the pole.
The gaff is physically lower than the top of the pole, but 'more important'.
I like Flag Etiquette.


To save all the other landlubbers like me from having to translate all that:

www.usps.org
 
2014-02-08 10:07:26 AM
Some of the comments here make me shake my head more than tfa did.

Oh and, Subby, you could've spared us a useless click and said tfa wasn't much longer than your headline.
 
2014-02-08 10:43:04 AM
What a fascinating, in-depth piece of journalism.

So, the flag at some non-descript Texas neighborhood, is...tattered???

That's one to tell your gandkids.
 
2014-02-08 10:53:50 AM
I'm going to go with:  Just stop flying flags.

My problem with all the fake/cult level patriotism is that these idiots flying flags all over the place show zero respect for them.  They leave them flying at night unlit, they leave them flying in the rain and high winds.  They just leave them up 24-7 until they're destroyed.
 
2014-02-08 11:08:00 AM

gfid: oukewldave: Don't worry.  They'll just raise their fees to cover the cost.  Also, you have to be a moran to willingly subject yourself to an HOA, unless you have trusting people assure you they are a decent one.

Yeah, good luck going without an HOA fo some sort.  If you want to live in a city in a house built since 1960 you're pretty much stuck with one.

Aside from outrageous monthly fees, mine's ot so bad.  They prefer warnings over fines provided whatever you did is not completely outrageous.

I just paid my fees yesterday (late, as usual - no late charges).  It all seems worthwhile when it's -15 degrees outside and it's 1 AM and I hear some poor shmuck shoveling my sidewalk all the way to my front door.

If I had wanted to be a dick about it, I would have opened my door and asked them if they could keep the noise down...lol,   If I were nice, I would have offered to brew them some coffee or hot chocolate, but there was no way I was opening my door that night.

A couple of my neighbors fly a flag every farking day and that doesn't seem to be a problem either.

The horror stories you hear in the news are actually quite rare or involve someone truly being an ass-hat.

I won't even go so far as to say I like my HOA, but I don't hate it either.  If I get really worked up, I could try to get elected to the HOA board (my agenda?  close the pool, I never use it anyway and it's closed half the year), cut the grass every other week instead of every week during the summer and we can wait at least another year to repaint all the townhomes and condos. It really didn't look that bad when you did it last time.

Certain aspects of having an HOA (at least for me) make a lot of sense even if I do think it costs too much.  Snow removal?  Hell yeah!  I don't want to go outside and shovel snow when the high temperature is only 0 degrees (F).  Imagine if we all cut our own lawns.

The neighborhood I grew up in also had an HOA, but it didn't do lawns and snow removal was not an issue, but nonetheless at least 80% of that neighborhood banded together and hired the same goddammed lawn service anyway.

Not our house though - we used the same "yard man" (that's what we called him) until he had a heart attack on our lawn and we had to tell him to quit.  I was stoked, because I got paid $20 to mow, edge and sweep and rake everything which seemed like a fortune to me at the time.

We felt bad for the "yard man".  He was a preacher in some poor community church that we didn't attend and about 75 years old mowing lawns during the week just to put food on his table.  I'm pretty sure he didn't have health care provided by his church and I'm damned sure we didn't pay anything specific for his health care.


Maybe in your part of the country, but for most of it HOAs aren't nearly that common.
 
2014-02-08 11:15:16 AM
It is appropriate to fly all-weather flags in inclement weather but they need to be lit up at night. That HOA flag is unserviceable and should be burned.
 
2014-02-08 11:50:09 AM

Tillmaster: I like Flag Etiquette.


static4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-02-08 12:15:19 PM
My bet is that mister HOA president and his mistress, the HOA treasurer, were embezzling or skimming funds for their own use and that the attention from the news crew brought home the real fact that not having funds to replace a farking flag is a huge, forgive the pun, red flag on the health of the HOA's reserves.

I have lived with 3 HOA's.  Only 1 of them has had honest accounting.  One was outright embezzlement, uncovered thanks to the Northridge earthquake. (thanks earth!)
 
2014-02-08 01:17:26 PM
Meh. Piece of cloth. What's it supposed to stand for, drone strikes on children and destroying privacy on the earth? In that case, burn the piece of garbage.
 
2014-02-08 01:35:19 PM
Wonder who's house they'll foreclose on, for bullshiat reasons. to cover the cost.
 
2014-02-08 02:44:00 PM
gfid:  I don't want to go outside and shovel snow when the high temperature is only 0 degrees (F).  Imagine if we all cut our own lawns.

You sound 1%-y.
 
2014-02-08 04:44:50 PM
I'm no flag waver but it would have been mega hilarious if some teabaggers had gone nuts and sued the HOA for breaching their terms of service agreement.
 
2014-02-08 05:19:29 PM

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: gfid:  I don't want to go outside and shovel snow when the high temperature is only 0 degrees (F).  Imagine if we all cut our own lawns.

You sound 1%-y.


Not 1%-y.

Just the lazy percent that is happy to pay a monthly fee so they can sit home playing Xbox and eating Doritos while other people actually do stuff.
 
2014-02-08 09:45:15 PM
Did it have the yellow fringe? That means the HOA is under admiralty law and doesn't have to keep proper accounting.
 
2014-02-08 10:20:08 PM
It vexes me. I'm terribly vexed.
 
2014-02-09 04:31:27 PM

ScaryBottles: I'm no flag waver but it would have been mega hilarious if some teabaggers had gone nuts and sued the HOA for breaching their terms of service agreement.


They should go for it.  We jackbooted HOA officials make sure there's a tidy little clause buried in all that crap you signed when you bought the place that basically means you get to pay our legal fees  :)

/on my HOA board
//doesn't own any jackboots
 
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