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2014-02-07 09:03:53 PM  
Blech. Classic he-said she-said. To me, this op-ed is pretty convincing. But then, when I read an op-ed from someone on Farrow's side (like this one:  http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse- 1 0-facts), that's pretty convincing to.

The one thing which does confuse me the most is just the basic implausibility that Allen would do this one time, at age 58, and has never done it before or since. As far as I'm aware, no one's ever accused him of doing this before or after. Maybe I don't know enough, but isnt that bizarre for someone who's supposedly a pedophile?
 
2014-02-07 09:55:31 PM  
accuser =/= victim

We have to stop jumping the gun and just saying "Guilty" because someone accused them of certain crimes. Imagine if she was accusing him of armed robbery instead of touching her. He broke into her room at night with a gun, held it to her head, and took all the money in her piggy bank. It would be equally hard to prove, and it's actually probably legal for a parent or guardian to confiscate children's physical possessions, but no one would be rushing to say "Oh yeah, he's guilty."

But you accuse the creepy old Jewish guy with farked up glasses of being a pedophile and it goes immediately from an accusation to the gospel truth. Hell, just looking at him, I believe it. I mean really, he's a farkin' creep in all his movies. It can't all be acting. But that's not how the law works. That's not how morality works. That's not how sustainable societies conduct themselves. There's many good reasons we adopted the burden of proof, trial by jury, and banned vigilante "justice".

There's also dozens of examples each year of stories like this that turn out to be lies perpetrated by the accuser or the media to cause controversy ahead of book deals or during slow news periods. You can't stop that. There will always be gormless parasites willing to engage in yellow journalism. What you can do, however, is not reward their efforts by drinking their Kool Aid down to the last poisonous drop. When you hear an accusation, remember the accuser is the accuser. Nothing more nothing less. Remember it's a legal system, not a justice system. Remember "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't refer to actual innocence or guilt, but is a legal framework to prevent lynchings. And most of all remember Giles Corey and all the young women executed in Salem before you buy into every accusation hook, line, and sinker.
 
2014-02-07 10:10:28 PM  
he dignified the coont's finger point with a response?

game on
 
2014-02-07 11:45:55 PM  
I have a gub?
 
2014-02-07 11:54:33 PM  
Well I don't have a dog in this fight but Woody comes off as a lot more credible than Mia Farrow. I don't blame the girl for having a screwed up childhood one way or the other though.
 
2014-02-07 11:56:34 PM  
I've taken a look at both sides and have reached a conclusion.

Allow me to summarize: man is unfairly accused of horrific act by bitter expartner who has no real evidence. But media celebrates story because it involves a well known actress and genius filmmaker. That's it. Now move on to an actual debate.
 
2014-02-08 12:00:57 AM  

nickdaisy: But media celebrates story because it involves a well known actress and genius filmmaker. That's it. Now move on to an actual debate.


This story was not created by the media for a change. It was started by Dylan Farrow accusing her father in print of abusing her. Now he's responding in print back.

The media is more or less literally the medium in this case.
 
2014-02-08 12:06:23 AM  
Don't really know who is telling the truth, but sure am glad my parents weren't either of these farked up people.
 
2014-02-08 12:06:44 AM  

Confabulat: This story was not created by the media for a change. It was started by Dylan Farrow accusing her father in print of abusing her. Now he's responding in print back.

The media is more or less literally the medium in this case.


Does anyone actually know why Dylan Farrow wrote that article? What was it apropos of? Seems like a pretty random thing to just bring up 20 years after the fact. Not saying she was wrong to do it, I'm just wondering what motivated it.
 
2014-02-08 12:10:10 AM  

vudukungfu: he dignified the coont's finger point with a response?

game on


He had to. Taking an "I'm not going to dignify that with a response" approach works in a one-on-one argument. If he said nothing tons of people would interpret that as guilt.
 
2014-02-08 12:10:15 AM  

DamnYankees: Does anyone actually know why Dylan Farrow wrote that article? What was it apropos of? Seems like a pretty random thing to just bring up 20 years after the fact. Not saying she was wrong to do it, I'm just wondering what motivated it.


Mia and her brother started in on Twitter when Woody got his Golden Globe.
 
2014-02-08 12:10:25 AM  
The Woody doth pretest too much, methinks.
 
2014-02-08 12:10:52 AM  
Yeah but he married that retarded girl that he birthed himself like Schwarzenegger did in Junior
 
2014-02-08 12:11:34 AM  
TL;DR

He's guilty. He's a perv.
 
2014-02-08 12:11:34 AM  
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2014-02-08 12:12:21 AM  

DamnYankees: But then, when I read an op-ed from someone on Farrow's side (like this one:  http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse- 1 0-facts), that's pretty convincing to.


that's convincing to you?

that's nothing but a hit piece of half truths.
 
2014-02-08 12:13:21 AM  

bentleypm: The Woody doth pretest too much, methinks.


Would not anything less than this be protesting not at all?
 
2014-02-08 12:13:51 AM  
I didn't do it.

simpsonswiki.com

Well that settles it then.
 
2014-02-08 12:14:37 AM  

bentleypm: The Woody doth pretest too much, methinks.


yeah no shiat.

people who are falsely accused of child rape shouldn't deny it, cause if they do that means they are guilty.
 
2014-02-08 12:15:07 AM  
Yeah, Brian, you're doing the same thing that Mia Farrow did to that Oriental guy that Woody Allen brought home from the circus
 
2014-02-08 12:15:54 AM  
The hypothesis about why the story took place in the attic was the best part.

And fyi: Woody Allen is a filmmaker in New York City.
 
2014-02-08 12:16:15 AM  
I'm amused Woody brought up that his son looks a lot like Frank Sinatra.

And I'm amused he brought up that song.
 
2014-02-08 12:17:22 AM  
Keep farking that chicken Mia
www.craveonline.com
 
2014-02-08 12:18:06 AM  
He is still all time creepy for leaving the mother for her adopted daughter (even though she was of age at the time).  That's a special kind of asshole right there.
 
2014-02-08 12:21:13 AM  

Confabulat: I'm amused Woody brought up that his son looks a lot like Frank Sinatra.

And I'm amused he brought up that song.


Mia Farrow has stated that it's possible the kid is Sinatra's.
 
2014-02-08 12:21:15 AM  
Meh, I doubted it was true anyway, but the Soon-Yi stuff makes it believable to a lot of people. Marrying your girlfriend's adopted daughter is a little weird. Sure, she was (as far as is known) of age when the relationship began, but the age gap combined with the fact that he knew her when she was 8 is a bit odd.
 
2014-02-08 12:23:25 AM  
Well, I think we all can smell where this is heading.
fightingbroke.com
 
2014-02-08 12:23:56 AM  

log_jammin: bentleypm: The Woody doth pretest too much, methinks.

yeah no shiat.

people who are falsely accused of child rape shouldn't deny it, cause if they do that means they are guilty.


Many times, in just the first two paragraphs, he insults the intelligence of anyone who would even entertain the possibility that he may be guilty. Of course I don't know that he's guilty, but his own rhetoric does him no favors.
 
2014-02-08 12:24:06 AM  
Referenced in the article.

Dory Previn - Beware Of Young Girls(about Mia)

Dory Previn - With My Daddy In The Attic

Good songs, both from the same album.

Can we skip the pics of the wrong girl and the erroneous idea that he raised his wife and just skip to "Well, he's creepy anyway" and the Polanski rage?
 
2014-02-08 12:24:16 AM  

Writerly Redoubt: mrlewish: Keep farking that chicken Mia
[www.craveonline.com image 658x370]

Keep minimizing sexualization of children, perp.


We already know he's a creepy hollywood perv, but he's not that creepy and perverted.
 
2014-02-08 12:25:49 AM  
The man says he didn't do it.

Those who don't do, teach.  Those who don't teach, teach gym.
 
2014-02-08 12:26:15 AM  

MBooda: Well, I think we all can smell where this is heading.
[fightingbroke.com image 500x442]


Actually, no. It's all way beyond that, time-wise. Unless Woody wants to go with a slander suit, which it seems clear he doesn't.
 
2014-02-08 12:27:10 AM  

Writerly Redoubt: mrlewish: Keep farking that chicken Mia
[www.craveonline.com image 658x370]

Keep minimizing sexualization of children, perp.


Isn't making false accusations of sexual molestation of children a bit more harmful to the cause?
 
2014-02-08 12:27:27 AM  

nickdaisy: I've taken a look at both sides and have reached a conclusion.

Allow me to summarize: man is unfairly accused of horrific act by bitter expartner who has no real evidence. But media celebrates story because it involves a well known actress and genius filmmaker. That's it. Now move on to an actual debate.


It's cloud's illusions, I recall
 
2014-02-08 12:29:15 AM  
Two people saying what did and didn't happen. I don't know what to think. Luckily, there are professionals who looked into the case and said it was his biatch ex coaching the child to say terrible things. So I'll take their word for it because frankly, I've really got no other option.
 
2014-02-08 12:29:34 AM  

bentleypm: log_jammin: bentleypm: The Woody doth pretest too much, methinks.

yeah no shiat.

people who are falsely accused of child rape shouldn't deny it, cause if they do that means they are guilty.

Many times, in just the first two paragraphs, he insults the intelligence of anyone who would even entertain the possibility that he may be guilty. Of course I don't know that he's guilty, but his own rhetoric does him no favors.


I read that as him describing his own naivete as to how the allegations would be handled.
 
2014-02-08 12:30:35 AM  
 
2014-02-08 12:31:59 AM  
if she was molested, it could have been mia's brother john, who happens to be in jail for molesting a bunch of children. or roman polanski, who is a dear friend of mia's to this day (though i doubt he's really a pedophile). both woody and mia are farking nutzo, and i really feel for that woman whether she was genuinely molested or just brainwashed into thinking it happened. i like some of woody's films and some of mia's performances (and some of polanski's work too, fwiw), but they both seem to be pretty troubled people at best. still, i find it really hard to believe that a guy in the midst of an acrimonious breakup and a heated custody battle would be unable to resist molesting a child in that setting and under that scrutiny. sad, sad, sad all around
 
2014-02-08 12:32:16 AM  
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2014-02-08 12:33:57 AM  
Must not have been rape rape?
 
2014-02-08 12:34:50 AM  

Writerly Redoubt: Perps are clever and perp always: check offendees.


what the hell does this even mean?
 
2014-02-08 12:35:14 AM  
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2014-02-08 12:35:35 AM  
i1079.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-08 12:35:40 AM  

cold_war_relic: [img.fark.net image 750x570]


www.letoilemagazine.com
 
2014-02-08 12:36:17 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: skip the pics of the wrong girl


What do you think Fark runs on?
 
2014-02-08 12:36:22 AM  

Writerly Redoubt: Regardless, justice will be swift, for public offenders pay large...

In public.


what the hell does this even mean?
 
2014-02-08 12:36:52 AM  

NobleHam: Writerly Redoubt: mrlewish: Keep farking that chicken Mia
[www.craveonline.com image 658x370]

Keep minimizing sexualization of children, perp.

Isn't making false accusations of sexual molestation of children a bit more harmful to the cause?


There isnt any evidence so far that the accusations are false. There isnt any evidence so far that the accusations are true either, but the point here is that the ridiculing and shaming of people speaking up really needs to stop.
 
2014-02-08 12:37:21 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: He is still all time creepy for leaving the mother for her adopted daughter (even though she was of age at the time).  That's a special kind of asshole right there.


Well, apparently she was boinking Frank Sinatra the whole time, so can we agree that they are all just horrible people?
 
2014-02-08 12:37:35 AM  

Confabulat: Writerly Redoubt: Perps are clever and perp always: check offendees.

what the hell does this even mean?


PACAPACO, bro!
 
2014-02-08 12:37:45 AM  
For justice perps and public be: offenders perp and perply tree.
 
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