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(NPR)   Here's a terrifying scenario: what if Hillary Clinton doesn't run for president in 2016?   (npr.org) divider line 185
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2014-02-07 09:26:50 PM
uh...kidnap Elizabeth Warren and force her to run?
 
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2014-02-07 09:26:51 PM
i1221.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-07 09:47:26 PM
I'd be okay with that. I'm not a huge Hilary fan.
 
2014-02-07 10:51:57 PM

TwistedIvory: I'd be okay with that. I'm not a huge Hilary fan.


I was at one point a big Hillary fan, but I'm really starting to pine for a more liberal candidate less beholden to corporate interests.

Warren would be great, and she's gaining name recognition.  She's only a couple years younger than Hillary, so if she's going to make a run, it would have to be in 2016.

Other than that, Ron Wyden, a Senator from Oregon, should be getting a lot more press than he is.  He's very in tune to a lot of the challenges that face us in the information age, from net neutrality (he wants it) to NSA spying (he's against it) and he's not in the pocket of Wall Street (he has a very nice pro-labor voting record).
 
2014-02-07 11:09:05 PM
images.politico.com
 
2014-02-07 11:40:55 PM
Well, all those women will automatically write in Palin's/Bachmann, then!
 
2014-02-07 11:44:35 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Well, all those women will automatically write in Palin's/Bachmann, then!


Bachmann/Palin Ovary Drive
 
2014-02-07 11:47:03 PM
Warren.
 
2014-02-07 11:51:56 PM
Hillary's not dropping out for anything less than a crippling stroke
 
2014-02-07 11:51:58 PM

jylcat: Warren.


BIDEN/WARREN 2016!
 
2014-02-07 11:54:58 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
Tammy uses a wheelchair on occasion, a former President did that.
Tammy flew combat missions and was shot at.  One former President did that.
Tammy was wounded in battle.  That's happened to former Presidents.
Tammy can kick ass.  Some former Presidents did that.
The republitards would have fits if she ran.  NTTAWWT.

And her husband is a military chaplin.
 
2014-02-08 12:07:02 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Well, all those women will automatically write in Palin's/Bachmann, then!


You mean Bachmann/Palin.
 
2014-02-08 12:14:08 AM
An even more terrifying scenario:  The GOP bypasses Santorum, Cruz, and RAND PAUL, and actually picks someone sane for the ticket - then the race might actually be close.
 
2014-02-08 12:14:19 AM

b2theory: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Well, all those women will automatically write in Palin's/Bachmann, then!

You mean Bachmann/Palin.


Overdrive?
 
2014-02-08 12:22:27 AM
I hope she doesn't run
 
2014-02-08 12:24:42 AM

TuteTibiImperes: An even more terrifying scenario:  The GOP bypasses Santorum, Cruz, and RAND PAUL, and actually picks someone sane for the ticket - then the race might actually be close.


How could they do that?  I thought the GOP had driven all the sanity out of the rank and file over the past decade and a half.
 
2014-02-08 12:27:37 AM

Prey4reign: TuteTibiImperes: An even more terrifying scenario:  The GOP bypasses Santorum, Cruz, and RAND PAUL, and actually picks someone sane for the ticket - then the race might actually be close.

How could they do that?  I thought the GOP had driven all the sanity out of the rank and file over the past decade and a half.


They could go for a hat trick with Jeb Bush.
 
2014-02-08 12:31:28 AM

log_jammin: I hope she doesn't run


Part of me feels that too. Easy primary win, but a lot of folks not on the left would never vote for her. Plus, she is a big corporate/machine politician, and I want more radical. I 100% want Warren in 16, but I suspect she's getting Dem pressure not to.
 
2014-02-08 12:54:45 AM

TuteTibiImperes: An even more terrifying scenario:  The GOP bypasses Santorum, Cruz, and RAND PAUL, and actually picks someone sane for the ticket - then the race might actually be close.



Like Huntsman?

And, well, technically Romney was sane. He was an asshole of gigantic proportions, but compared to the derp fest the rest of the party was, he was sane.
 
2014-02-08 12:58:51 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: log_jammin: I hope she doesn't run

Part of me feels that too. Easy primary win, but a lot of folks not on the left would never vote for her. Plus, she is a big corporate/machine politician, and I want more radical. I 100% want Warren in 16, but I suspect she's getting Dem pressure not to.


plus all the baggage the right has on her. Obama is squeaky clean, and they still want to impeach him. Imagine the blood in the water if she runs, let alone wins.
 
2014-02-08 01:01:32 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: [images.politico.com image 605x328]


Came in here to say pretty much this. I didn't know much about Biden when Obama first chose him as a runningmate, but as time goes on I like the guy more and more. I can never forget nor forgive the biatchy way Hillary and her people acted towards Obama and Biden the last time, so if she runs I'd be stuck not voting or voting Republican, just to make sure we're not stuck with her.
 
2014-02-08 01:01:43 AM

log_jammin: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: log_jammin: I hope she doesn't run

Part of me feels that too. Easy primary win, but a lot of folks not on the left would never vote for her. Plus, she is a big corporate/machine politician, and I want more radical. I 100% want Warren in 16, but I suspect she's getting Dem pressure not to.

plus all the baggage the right has on her. Obama is squeaky clean, and they still want to impeach him. Imagine the blood in the water if she runs, let alone wins.


Yep. I want the "Change" we hoped for from Obama in '08. I don't see that at all in Clinton, maybe in Warren.
 
2014-02-08 01:11:30 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: maybe in Warren.


I doubt if she runs, but if she does I wouldn't think twice about voting for her.

well to be honest...I don't see myself voting for anyone that doesn't have a D at the end of their name for a very very long time.
 
2014-02-08 01:28:34 AM
Um, Chris Christie wins anyhow?  Oh wait, the Republicans would actually have to get their heads out of the Koch Brothers' and Roger Ailes's asses first to nominate him.

Anybody but Chris Christie becomes President, I'm dragging the family to Australia.

/no, not really
//but that's the only person I'd trust with the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and the nuclear football
 
2014-02-08 01:30:52 AM

bluorangefyre: Um, Chris Christie wins anyhow?  Oh wait, the Republicans would actually have to get their heads out of the Koch Brothers' and Roger Ailes's asses first to nominate him.

Anybody but Chris Christie becomes President, I'm dragging the family to Australia.

/no, not really
//but that's the only person I'd trust with the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and the nuclear football


4/10
 
2014-02-08 01:35:08 AM
What's scary about it?
 
2014-02-08 02:50:54 AM

log_jammin: 4/10


Generous. What are you drinking tonight? Tonight I've found that the Bacardi pina colada mix is actually pretty good when you make it with equal parts Malibu and spiced 151.
 
2014-02-08 03:09:22 AM

unlikely: Generous. What are you drinking tonight?


the usual. water.

being a night shift worker, I get to get drink during the day!
 
2014-02-08 03:29:09 AM

unlikely: log_jammin: 4/10

Generous. What are you drinking tonight? Tonight I've found that the Bacardi pina colada mix is actually pretty good when you make it with equal parts Malibu and spiced 151.


why go through all that work


www.maliburumdrinks.com
 
2014-02-08 03:34:19 AM
I'd love Jerry Brown as President. He's the biggest tightwad I've ever seen in politics, and he can 'play' government like a musical instrument. Of all the candidates in my life, he's the one that made being in government seem like a profession. And he's damn good at his job. But some people say he's too old. More's the pity.
 
2014-02-08 03:36:07 AM
A different Democrat wins.
 
2014-02-08 03:36:08 AM

Bucky Katt: What's scary about it?


agreed, why are we accepting that premise?
 
2014-02-08 03:37:45 AM
The GOP's trashed their own brand enough that it's pretty much the Democrats' race to lose at the national level.  The republicans have some individual districts due to Gerrymandering and some states due to local politics, but at the national level they just don't have their house well enough in order to convince people to put them in charge again.

Basically this wouldn't be a big deal at all from the Dems' perspective.  They don't have to nominate a  good candidate, they just have to  not nominate a  disastrously terrible candidate.  And since they already got their most genuinely despicable politician with a real chance and their version of Mitt Romney out of the way in 2004, they could practically throw darts at a list of random baby names until they got two in order that named a Democrat and still win.

The GOP, to even bring it back to a coin-flip, has to not only bring their A-game and nominate a likable, sane, reasonable candidate, they have to nominate a candidate  that gives the impression that he (I'd say 'or she' but who are we kidding here, they're Republicans) can also  force the party itself to become sane by controlling or demolishing the Tea Party movement.  And they'll have to do this to even get most of  their own party to vote for them, the Dems still win if they don't actively shoot themselves in the foot.

Like, this is only going to be slightly less of a foregone conclusion than 2008, where it was such a ridiculously foregone conclusion that the Dems went ahead and nominated the Black guy named Hussein with the foreign parent just to make it kind of a competition.  And still won by a completely absurd margin that makes "landslide" sound like an understatement.
 
2014-02-08 03:38:02 AM
I started typing up a good comment, but then was distracted by a shiny metal object.

/I guess I'm a Democrat?
 
2014-02-08 03:42:44 AM
And if Hillary said "Never mind", that would be nirvana for who?

www.bing.com
 
2014-02-08 03:47:41 AM

Jim_Callahan: The GOP's trashed their own brand enough that it's pretty much the Democrats' race to lose at the national level.


Except the Democrats are very good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.  You should probably rethink your point.  They already tried your line of thinking when they nominated Kerry.  Nobody should have been able to lose to Bush... and yet he did.  Of course now it is pretty much the entire Republican brand that is steep in crazy, not just Bush, but the point still stands.

You don't go for 'good enough.'  You need to make an effort.  Get as good a candidate as you can manage, promote them while limiting 'foot in mouth' moments, get out the vote.  Heck, take a look at what happened with Coakley in Massachusetts.  She should have been able to trounce Scott Brown, but she ran a crap campaign and was on the receiving end.

Apathy is death.  And if Democrat apathy or overconfidence lets the nutjob brigade seize the reins of power, I think the country deserves the screwing it will get so that it might possibly learn its lesson for a change. (Though I sincerely doubt that.  The power of reinforced narrative and doublethink is extraordinary.)
 
2014-02-08 03:51:13 AM

NFA: [i1221.photobucket.com image 275x348]


For those who voted for 0bama in the 2008 primaries because you couldn't stand the idea of Bush Clinton Bush Clinton,  I must tell you that 2016 will be Hillary Clinton vs. Jeb Bush. But that's ok. There is always 2020.
 
2014-02-08 03:52:14 AM
We finally won't have to hear any more about Benghazi.
 
2014-02-08 03:56:25 AM

Luneward: Jim_Callahan: The GOP's trashed their own brand enough that it's pretty much the Democrats' race to lose at the national level.

Except the Democrats are very good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.  You should probably rethink your point.  They already tried your line of thinking when they nominated Kerry.  Nobody should have been able to lose to Bush... and yet he did.  Of course now it is pretty much the entire Republican brand that is steep in crazy, not just Bush, but the point still stands.

You don't go for 'good enough.'  You need to make an effort.  Get as good a candidate as you can manage, promote them while limiting 'foot in mouth' moments, get out the vote.  Heck, take a look at what happened with Coakley in Massachusetts.  She should have been able to trounce Scott Brown, but she ran a crap campaign and was on the receiving end.

Apathy is death.  And if Democrat apathy or overconfidence lets the nutjob brigade seize the reins of power, I think the country deserves the screwing it will get so that it might possibly learn its lesson for a change. (Though I sincerely doubt that.  The power of reinforced narrative and doublethink is extraordinary.)


yup.

and with Obama running a excellent campaign both times, and both his opponents sticking their feet in their mouths over and over again, he still only won by a few percentage points.
 
2014-02-08 03:58:40 AM

log_jammin: I hope she doesn't run


I hope she does. It will make the GOP use all of their A-list hate-nuttery bumper stickers up during the primaries and leave them looking like fools if they try to use it all again against whoever actually wins the nomination.

Lightning rod effect.
 
2014-02-08 04:08:01 AM

teto85: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x271]
Tammy uses a wheelchair on occasion, a former President did that.
Tammy flew combat missions and was shot at.  One former President did that.
Tammy was wounded in battle.  That's happened to former Presidents.
Tammy can kick ass.  Some former Presidents did that.
The republitards would have fits if she ran.  NTTAWWT.

And her husband is a military chaplin.


I don't know if she is Presidential timber, but it sure would be fun watching the GOP try to figure out how to slander and slut-shame a woman with her attributes. Hopefully, many cerebral aneurisms would result.
 
2014-02-08 04:10:50 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: log_jammin: I hope she doesn't run

I hope she does. It will make the GOP use all of their A-list hate-nuttery bumper stickers up during the primaries and leave them looking like fools if they try to use it all again against whoever actually wins the nomination.

Lightning rod effect.


I admit, that would be interesting.
 
2014-02-08 04:13:04 AM
Then O'Malley wins? As much as I love Biden, he doesn't have a chance.
 
2014-02-08 04:19:57 AM

Luneward: Jim_Callahan: The GOP's trashed their own brand enough that it's pretty much the Democrats' race to lose at the national level.

Except the Democrats are very good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.  You should probably rethink your point.  They already tried your line of thinking when they nominated Kerry.  Nobody should have been able to lose to Bush... and yet he did.  Of course now it is pretty much the entire Republican brand that is steep in crazy, not just Bush, but the point still stands.

You don't go for 'good enough.'  You need to make an effort.  Get as good a candidate as you can manage, promote them while limiting 'foot in mouth' moments, get out the vote.  Heck, take a look at what happened with Coakley in Massachusetts.  She should have been able to trounce Scott Brown, but she ran a crap campaign and was on the receiving end.

Apathy is death.  And if Democrat apathy or overconfidence lets the nutjob brigade seize the reins of power, I think the country deserves the screwing it will get so that it might possibly learn its lesson for a change. (Though I sincerely doubt that.  The power of reinforced narrative and doublethink is extraordinary.)


Your second two paragraphs are correct, and luckily I don't think the national Democratic establishment is apathetic. But demographics and the electoral map just don't work in a Republican's favor anymore. Republicans will have to make some serious changes to get 270. I mean, take away the states Obama won by less than 5% (Florida, Virginia, and Ohio) and the Democrat still wins. And the landscape is continuing to shift more favorably for Democrats. Republicans still have an advantage in the House thanks to horrendous gerrymandering, but most of the country is Democratic, and most of the states with enough population to matter are Democratic, that notwithstanding a debilitating scandal or meltdown from the Democratic President, I really think the Republican Party is (until it finds some renaissance and changes its values) dead in Presidential politics.
 
2014-02-08 04:20:28 AM
I still think one of the Castro boys should run, if only for the lulz
 
2014-02-08 04:20:49 AM

NobleHam: from the Democratic President,


Look at me and my Freudian slips... I meant Democratic nominee, though as I said, they might as well be President once nominated.
 
2014-02-08 04:26:54 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: log_jammin: I hope she doesn't run

Part of me feels that too. Easy primary win, but a lot of folks not on the left would never vote for her. Plus, she is a big corporate/machine politician, and I want more radical. I 100% want Warren in 16, but I suspect she's getting Dem pressure not to.


I agreed in '08, but I think the political landscape has shifted sufficiently that Hillary is liked enough to win, even disregarding her being a Democrat. In '08 about 52% said they would never vote for her. Nowadays, she gets over 50% in head-to-head match-ups with just about everyone, and her favorability ratings are great. The Republicans could try to dig up a bunch of the old scandals and hatred, but that would make them look desperate and weak and I think it would backfire.
 
2014-02-08 04:29:07 AM

teto85: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x271]
Tammy uses a wheelchair on occasion, a former President did that.
Tammy flew combat missions and was shot at.  One former President did that.
Tammy was wounded in battle.  That's happened to former Presidents.
Tammy can kick ass.  Some former Presidents did that.
The republitards would have fits if she ran.  NTTAWWT.

And her husband is a military chaplin.


Hey now. One barrier at a time. We can't have the first Asian and first disabled Presidents be the same person.
 
2014-02-08 04:30:57 AM
Joe Biden will run and make all his campaign stops shirtless and in a Trans Am

i.huffpost.com
 
2014-02-08 04:31:42 AM
I know  This is an older link (lots older) but AFAIK hillary hasn't changed this stance. If i am mistaken, could someone please correct me?
 
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