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(Transparency International)   You're all a bunch of corrupt no-goodniks. Except you of course Denmark and New Zealand. World countries ranked by their level of corruption. w/interactive map and list   (transparency.org ) divider line
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2014-02-07 11:48:13 PM  
Somalia, North Korea and Afghanistan all at the bottom. There's a shocker.
 
2014-02-08 12:23:17 AM  

fusillade762: Somalia, North Korea and Afghanistan all at the bottom. There's a shocker.


North Korea is working hard on becoming a power bottom.
 
2014-02-08 01:11:29 AM  
President Madagascar, noooooooooooo!!!!
 
2014-02-08 01:18:38 AM  
I remember over a decade ago Oprah waving about a simulated pound of bodyfat to demonstrate what a pound represented. One pound of fat plus water.
 
2014-02-08 01:19:35 AM  

wildcardjack: I remember over a decade ago Oprah waving about a simulated pound of bodyfat to demonstrate what a pound represented. One pound of fat plus water.


Wrong theard, but somehow right.
 
2014-02-08 01:22:34 AM  
DNRTFA (I'm at work), but i'd be interested to see the criteria they used in judging "corruption". My grad school profs believed its almost impossible to define and quantify, and I tend to agree.
 
2014-02-08 01:26:10 AM  
Oh come on, Italy, you can do better.
 
2014-02-08 01:27:43 AM  

wildcardjack: wildcardjack: I remember over a decade ago Oprah waving about a simulated pound of bodyfat to demonstrate what a pound represented. One pound of fat plus water.

Wrong theard, but somehow right.


These are often my favorite posts on here. They always work.
 
2014-02-08 01:28:14 AM  
That's just because Denmark and New Zealand made them an offer they couldn't refuse.
 
2014-02-08 01:31:36 AM  
The US scored the same as Uruguay.

There is no way in hell Uruguay is that corrupt.
 
2014-02-08 01:33:12 AM  

thekingcobra: DNRTFA (I'm at work), but i'd be interested to see the criteria they used in judging "corruption". My grad school profs believed its almost impossible to define and quantify, and I tend to agree.


Are your grad school professors Socchi Olympic contractors?
 
2014-02-08 01:36:06 AM  
Corruption isn't so bad when the people you buy stay bought.  Where some people see graft and corruption, others see fees and costs of doing business.
 
2014-02-08 01:39:11 AM  
Did anybody else read that as a "winteractive" map?
 
2014-02-08 01:44:11 AM  
Don't be so sure about New Zealand... Read up on their government's handling of the Kim Dotcom case and you'll be forgiven for assuming you're reading about the goings on in some corrupt former-Soviet-Bloc country.
 
2014-02-08 01:48:30 AM  

thekingcobra: DNRTFA (I'm at work), but i'd be interested to see the criteria they used in judging "corruption". My grad school profs believed its almost impossible to define and quantify, and I tend to agree.


Didn't read it this time either, but if I remember correctly from previous years they don't judge corruption at all.  This is a measure of perception of corruption- which means for example that the same behavior could be viewed differently in two cultures, or places where the population keeps a closer eye on things could actually have a worse score because people would be more active or angry about any perceived corruption.

Of course, none of that means it isn't useful or true - just not a definitive measure. But again, I didn't actually READ the damn thing so I'm probably totally wrong.
 
2014-02-08 01:51:07 AM  
New Zealand is corrupt from the Prime Minister and his cronies down.  The party president of our ruling party (National, certer right) is also a major shareholder of one our largest commercial fishing companies ( Sanfords) . 
The Mnistry of Primary Industries cut recreational fish limits, under the guise of conserving trhe stock, without imposing any such cuts on the commercial fleet.  Also google up the Kim Dotcom affair with government departments "losing" evidence that would implicat them and/or the Prime Minister in wrongdoing.
I work in the building industry and there is lots of back scratching and dodgy deals done to get government contracts and get buildings to pass code inspections.

/Kiwi
/can be bribed with cold beer
 
2014-02-08 01:52:08 AM  
I wonder how much the Danish government paid for such a high ranking?
 
2014-02-08 01:56:02 AM  

Capt.Plywood: thekingcobra: DNRTFA (I'm at work), but i'd be interested to see the criteria they used in judging "corruption". My grad school profs believed its almost impossible to define and quantify, and I tend to agree.

Didn't read it this time either, but if I remember correctly from previous years they don't judge corruption at all.  This is a measure of perception of corruption- which means for example that the same behavior could be viewed differently in two cultures, or places where the population keeps a closer eye on things could actually have a worse score because people would be more active or angry about any perceived corruption.

Of course, none of that means it isn't useful or true - just not a definitive measure. But again, I didn't actually READ the damn thing so I'm probably totally wrong.


Ahh, that would make sense. But as neither of us read anything, who knows.
 
2014-02-08 01:57:26 AM  

Mambo Bananapatch: I wonder how much the Danish government paid for such a high ranking?


The last time someone made the Danish mad, they hijacked 3 airliners and crashed them into American buildings.
 
2014-02-08 02:05:07 AM  
Why does Greenland and whatever that west African country is get a pass?
 
2014-02-08 02:05:21 AM  
Canada is drug down significantly by Quebec. They want to be their own country so this comparison should separate English speaking Canada from Quebec and rank us separately. 72% of Quebecers believe that politicians are corrupt, vs 15% in sweden and 14% in denmark.
 
2014-02-08 02:08:56 AM  

chitownmike: Why does Greenland and whatever that west African country is get a pass?


Because Greenland isn't a country?

/Danish territory.
 
2014-02-08 02:11:50 AM  

XveryYpettyZ: Because Greenland isn't a country?

/Danish territory.


But, it's a list of countries *and* territories.  That's why Puerto Rico is listed.
 
2014-02-08 02:12:42 AM  

chitownmike: Why does Greenland and whatever that west African country is get a pass?


Greenland has hardly anyone living in it.  That grey African country is the southern half of Morocco, whose status is uncertain because it is under the control of rebels who don't recognize the authority of Rabat.
 
2014-02-08 02:13:50 AM  
It's just more hidden here. Instead of paying off poiiticans directly, you pay lobbyists. Lobbyists tend to be former politicans or those in the innercircle.  This gives those in power a way of accepting money from only those they have known for many years and have built up a mutual trust with.
 
2014-02-08 02:16:00 AM  
It looks like hot countries are the problem. The warmer the climate, the higher the corruption.

Cold countries are harsh, unforgiving environments, so rather than try to screw each other over, everyone learns to get along because we're all in this together.

At least, that's my theory.

The only outlier is Russia. But I think that just has to do with the type of people they are.
 
2014-02-08 02:20:09 AM  
The US should have been higher. It's

Lars The Canadian Viking: It's just more hidden here. Instead of paying off poiiticans directly, you pay lobbyists. Lobbyists tend to be former politicans or those in the innercircle.  This gives those in power a way of accepting money from only those they have known for many years and have built up a mutual trust with.


True. It's all high level corruption. With that in mind, I would have rated the US much worse that 19.
 
2014-02-08 02:20:09 AM  

bifford: chitownmike: Why does Greenland and whatever that west African country is get a pass?

Greenland has hardly anyone living in it.  That grey African country is the southern half of Morocco, whose status is uncertain because it is under the control of rebels who don't recognize the authority of Rabat.


Wouldn't that make the area more susceptible to corruption? As said up thread this is rediculous to try to quantify, especially on a national level.
 
2014-02-08 02:28:53 AM  

John Hopoate: New Zealand is corrupt from the Prime Minister and his cronies down.  The party president of our ruling party (National, certer right) is also a major shareholder of one our largest commercial fishing companies ( Sanfords) . 
The Mnistry of Primary Industries cut recreational fish limits, under the guise of conserving trhe stock, without imposing any such cuts on the commercial fleet.  Also google up the Kim Dotcom affair with government departments "losing" evidence that would implicat them and/or the Prime Minister in wrongdoing.
I work in the building industry and there is lots of back scratching and dodgy deals done to get government contracts and get buildings to pass code inspections.

/Kiwi
/can be bribed with cold beer


Politicking aside (right wing party supports big business over ordinary people, shock news that), I agree that our country isn't as squeaky clean as they say it is. Plenty of local deal-making/nepotism and shiat like that. And yeah the building industry is a shocker.

The dotcom stuff isnt really corruption (no suggestions of personal gain), it is dirty as fark though and some heads should roll.
 
2014-02-08 02:32:22 AM  

wildcardjack: wildcardjack: I remember over a decade ago Oprah waving about a simulated pound of bodyfat to demonstrate what a pound represented. One pound of fat plus water.

Wrong theard, but somehow right.


Cross-posts are some of the best posts on Fark. I've seen several that were way better than any of the intentional posts in a thread.
 
2014-02-08 02:35:45 AM  
Thanks Obama and fat New Jersey Governor
 
2014-02-08 02:43:30 AM  
Alright, Botswana!

A solid 64, edging out Poland by a full 4 points.
 
2014-02-08 02:47:24 AM  
PM sweatervest is ruining our perceived corruption rate as fast as he can damnit!!!

Give us time. Canada can be one of the big-boy corrupt nations real soon, we just need time and horrible rubes' continued awful voting.
 
2014-02-08 02:48:42 AM  
... Oh. And more election shenanigans from the CONs. Learning young Padawans they are.
 
2014-02-08 02:53:24 AM  

Ishkur: It looks like hot countries are the problem. The warmer the climate, the higher the corruption.

Cold countries are harsh, unforgiving environments, so rather than try to screw each other over, everyone learns to get along because we're all in this together.

At least, that's my theory.

The only outlier is Russia. But I think that just has to do with the type of people they are.


Cold countries also tend to have terrible food. I don't know what my point is.


Prey4reign: Corruption isn't so bad when the people you buy stay bought.  Where some people see graft and corruption, others see fees and costs of doing business.


i57.tinypic.com

"Corruption is our protection. Corruption keeps us safe and warm. Corruption is why you and I are prancing around in here instead of fighting over scraps of meat out in the streets. Corruption is why we win."
 
2014-02-08 02:57:49 AM  
North Korean corruption is best Korean corruption.
 
2014-02-08 02:58:06 AM  

Iplaybass: The US should have been higher. It's Lars The Canadian Viking: It's just more hidden here. Instead of paying off poiiticans directly, you pay lobbyists. Lobbyists tend to be former politicans or those in the innercircle.  This gives those in power a way of accepting money from only those they have known for many years and have built up a mutual trust with.

True. It's all high level corruption. With that in mind, I would have rated the US much worse that 19.


We do at least TRY to keep the corrupt people in check to a certain extent.  Here, it's more about finding a good lawyer to get you off.  That or have so much money the government can't touch you.  That works too.
 
2014-02-08 03:08:54 AM  
Take away Illinois, New Jersey, and Louisiana, and the US would make the Top Ten.
 
2014-02-08 03:13:58 AM  

fusillade762: Cold countries also tend to have terrible food. I don't know what my point is.


That's because all the worlds spices, peppers and flavors come from the tropics.
 
2014-02-08 03:14:24 AM  
I was all like, "Switzerland? I figured they'd be one of the cleanest!" then I realized I was looking at the Czech Republic.

geography fail...
 
2014-02-08 03:32:44 AM  

gaspode: John Hopoate: New Zealand is corrupt from the Prime Minister and his cronies down.  The party president of our ruling party (National, certer right) is also a major shareholder of one our largest commercial fishing companies ( Sanfords) . 
The Mnistry of Primary Industries cut recreational fish limits, under the guise of conserving trhe stock, without imposing any such cuts on the commercial fleet.  Also google up the Kim Dotcom affair with government departments "losing" evidence that would implicat them and/or the Prime Minister in wrongdoing.
I work in the building industry and there is lots of back scratching and dodgy deals done to get government contracts and get buildings to pass code inspections.

/Kiwi
/can be bribed with cold beer

Politicking aside (right wing party supports big business over ordinary people, shock news that), I agree that our country isn't as squeaky clean as they say it is. Plenty of local deal-making/nepotism and shiat like that. And yeah the building industry is a shocker.

The dotcom stuff isnt really corruption (no suggestions of personal gain), it is dirty as fark though and some heads should roll.


I've worked in the NZ public service - the Department of Internal Affairs. I think we benefit from two things - a culture that prides itself on fairness and due process, and a structure that safeguards against corruption through the State Services Commission. I remember for instance going to a conference and I was unable to enter a vendor's prize draw at a stand as it would have looked improper had I won. I couldn't claim the air points on an overseas flight for another conference for a similar reason.

As with other large organisations, staff have regular reviews, HR have robust processes and there are checks, balances and audits. I don't think that means we should be cavalier about the prospect of corruption in the public service - there's bound to be some bad apples - but the day-to-day public administration is something we do well in this country, and New Zealanders can expect a fair process according to law from their public servants.

What I do worry about is the blurring of lines between the political and the administrative. Chief executives seem a little reluctant to tell ministers where to go when a policy change is ill advised.
 
2014-02-08 03:43:22 AM  
Iplaybass: I would have rated the US much worse that 19.

Why?
 
2014-02-08 03:45:16 AM  

erik-k: Don't be so sure about New Zealand... Read up on their government's handling of the Kim Dotcom case and you'll be forgiven for assuming you're reading about the goings on in some corrupt former-Soviet-Bloc country.


That one struck a nerve with the general public here as it was hardly standard fare. The current government is one that many people are going to be very happy to see the back of.
 
2014-02-08 03:47:19 AM  

thekingcobra: DNRTFA (I'm at work), but i'd be interested to see the criteria they used in judging "corruption". My grad school profs believed its almost impossible to define and quantify, and I tend to agree.


I don't know if it's the only metric, but I believe they simply ask people from each country.

I do guess that it differs from one country to another as to what one defines as corruption. A Dane would find it corrupt if the priest in a church asked for money, an American perhaps not.

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I once saw a readers digest article about corruption in Denmark, where they as an experiment tried to bribe a policeman (a moronic idea since I believe that is illegal), and the policeman didn't understand the concept and kept thinking they were trying to exchange their USD to Danish Kroner.

(they also dropped 5 wallets with money, and found that all 5 wallets were returned to the polices lostfound department including money).

Article was from mid-90s though. Dunno if they could do the wallet thing again, or maybe they were just making it up.
 
2014-02-08 03:50:09 AM  

chitownmike: Why does Greenland and whatever that west African country is get a pass?


Greenland is a part of Denmark, no clue about that. Ignorance?

West-Sahara is disputed I think, not really a country.
 
2014-02-08 03:52:36 AM  

spawn73: and the policeman didn't understand the concept and kept thinking they were trying to exchange their USD to Danish Kroner.


I'm sure he understood the concept of bribing a policeman, but he probably couldn't believe someone would be so upfront about it, so he just assumed ignorance on the bribe makers part.
 
2014-02-08 03:56:28 AM  

chitownmike: bifford: chitownmike: Why does Greenland and whatever that west African country is get a pass?

Greenland has hardly anyone living in it.  That grey African country is the southern half of Morocco, whose status is uncertain because it is under the control of rebels who don't recognize the authority of Rabat.

Wouldn't that make the area more susceptible to corruption? As said up thread this is rediculous to try to quantify, especially on a national level.


The Danish government has concentrated the population in a few cities though. Because otherwise it would be farking hard to provide everyone with electricity, hospitals, schools etc.

Obviously if you want to forfeit those rights, you're free to go all Unabomber and live in an igloo somewhere (dunno who you'd bribe there though), as long as you don't have kids.


My general perception is that the Inuits are more corrupt than the Danes though. That is mostly seen in local government though, as everything else is run by Danish civilservants/police. So, given their miniscule population, and concentration of Danes in positions where corruption usually takes place. Greenland wouldn't have made a difference.
 
2014-02-08 04:00:33 AM  

log_jammin: spawn73: and the policeman didn't understand the concept and kept thinking they were trying to exchange their USD to Danish Kroner.

I'm sure he understood the concept of bribing a policeman, but he probably couldn't believe someone would be so upfront about it, so he just assumed ignorance on the bribe makers part.


Probably true.

Readers Digest isn't exactly highquality journalism either, so they didn't clarify what they were trying to bribe him for. They just claimed he said he couldn't exchange money, and directed them to the local bank.
 
2014-02-08 04:01:44 AM  
I'm not at all surprised the countries i figured were super corrupt are in fact super corrupt. I -am- surprised though that exceedingly more than 50% of the countries listed are so corrupt that there's no orange, just yellows and then reds. That is depressing.
As a side question though, why is it that Greenland is never in any of these statistics charts? I can't even recall a time that I've seen info from them. I know people live there, not a lot of people, but still enough to participate in polls.
 
2014-02-08 04:04:50 AM  

Pimparoo: Take away Illinois, New Jersey, and Louisiana, and the US would make the Top Ten.


The entire south is a good ole boy system. Deal with anyone in government down there and you'll need to shower for a week just to get the sleaze off. It's corrupt as fark.
 
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