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2014-02-08 08:52:52 AM  
"And then someone opened a can of tuna after the first act."

Ironically, that's the last known thing Abraham Lincoln said before he was shot In a theater.
 
2014-02-08 08:57:47 AM  
I'm glad they had video.

This old fark needs to go down for what he did. If nothing else, he could have moved to the million other empty seats in the theater.
 
2014-02-08 09:17:03 AM  
I blame years of police training. Instincts took over. You can't go around shooting people when you are out of uniform.
 
2014-02-08 09:27:28 AM  
Looks to me exactly the same as Zimmerman. Man with a gun feels he has the right to act like judge, jury and executioner because he has a gun and the other person doesn't. The younger man may or may not have been inconsiderate(even an asshole), but he did not initiate this incident. The old man with the gun did. And leaving and coming back to the man no longer texting wasn't good enough to satisfy the old man with the gun. Since the article states that the old man with a gun had it in his pocket, there was no way for the younger man(asshole?) to know he should just shut up and apologize. Old man with the gun just murdered someone for being inconsiderate and possibly an asshole. If that's the bar for being allowed to kill a person, then I need to invest in mortuary stocks.
I hope the old man with the gun goes to jail for the rest of his life.

/all IMHO
//i just liked saying 'old man with the gun'
///please don't shoot me just because i'm an asshole
 
2014-02-08 09:40:57 AM  

mutterfark: Looks to me exactly the same as Zimmerman. Man with a gun feels he has the right to act like judge, jury and executioner because he has a gun and the other person doesn't. The younger man may or may not have been inconsiderate(even an asshole), but he did not initiate this incident. The old man with the gun did. And leaving and coming back to the man no longer texting wasn't good enough to satisfy the old man with the gun. Since the article states that the old man with a gun had it in his pocket, there was no way for the younger man(asshole?) to know he should just shut up and apologize. Old man with the gun just murdered someone for being inconsiderate and possibly an asshole. If that's the bar for being allowed to kill a person, then I need to invest in mortuary stocks.
I hope the old man with the gun goes to jail for the rest of his life.

/all IMHO
//i just liked saying 'old man with the gun'
///please don't shoot me just because i'm an asshole


Tayvon Martin wasn't throwing skittles at Zimmerman.
 
2014-02-08 10:03:30 AM  

dantheman195: A armed society is a polite society


You know who else wanted to control an entire society through the threat of violence?
 
2014-02-08 10:07:45 AM  

quo vadimus: dantheman195: A armed society is a polite society

You know who else wanted to control an entire society through the threat of violence?


Well we are living in the final republic.
 
2014-02-08 10:34:10 AM  

MFAWG: sno man: Whatever, Here's the take-away:
The f*cker couldn't even get bail in THE stand your ground state.  As a former cop.

Victim wasn't wearing a hoodie.


I guess that's why we haven't heard a peep out of Sharpton and Jesse about their outrage over the poor dead guys rights.
 
2014-02-08 10:34:17 AM  

quo vadimus: dantheman195: A armed society is a polite society

You know who else wanted to control an entire society through the threat of violence?


Every government ever?
 
2014-02-08 10:39:13 AM  

quo vadimus: dantheman195: A armed society is a polite society

You know who else wanted to control an entire society through the threat of violence?


One of the things that bothers me the most about Dan's little cliche' there is the fact that in reality, an armed society is really full of people who are walking on eggshells everywhere they go. They never speak up on real injustices, they rarely if ever confront an asshole because they know that such an individual would very likely be armed. They sure as hell can't stand up and argue with anyone about anything simply because the default behavior in such a society is oriented towards violent reactions to offence, and normal humans who just want to get through a day without being too heavily stressed about the guy in the car next to them on the freeway or the off-duty Cop in the drive-through lane at a burger joint are the ones who always end up losing.

We're actually legalizing murder in some States, and still locking people up for extended prison sentences for smoking marijuana, often in those same States.

Which is the worst offense?
 
2014-02-08 10:45:47 AM  

badhatharry: mutterfark: Looks to me exactly the same as Zimmerman. Man with a gun feels he has the right to act like judge, jury and executioner because he has a gun and the other person doesn't. The younger man may or may not have been inconsiderate(even an asshole), but he did not initiate this incident. The old man with the gun did. And leaving and coming back to the man no longer texting wasn't good enough to satisfy the old man with the gun. Since the article states that the old man with a gun had it in his pocket, there was no way for the younger man(asshole?) to know he should just shut up and apologize. Old man with the gun just murdered someone for being inconsiderate and possibly an asshole. If that's the bar for being allowed to kill a person, then I need to invest in mortuary stocks.
I hope the old man with the gun goes to jail for the rest of his life.

/all IMHO
//i just liked saying 'old man with the gun'
///please don't shoot me just because i'm an asshole

Tayvon Martin wasn't throwing skittles at Zimmerman.


And the young man wasn't throwing popcorn until the incident was started by Reeves. Trayvon also did not start the incident that resulted in his death by throwing Skittles at the Z-man. My only point was that in both cases it was the men with guns who both started the problem and continued when it was clear there was no need. In both cases the un-armed "aggressor" is dead.

/if everyone carried a gun would we be more polite, or just more bloodstained?
 
2014-02-08 11:03:50 AM  

ransack.: Mock26: If the victim was the one texting then the shooter should be given a medal.  If the shooter was the one texting then he should be castrated and then have his fingers pulled off one-by-one, and after that his nuts gnawed off by beavers with dull teeth, and then burned alive.

God forbid you farking read an article and educate yourself about the situation before you comment


Meh, this is Fark, where 83.5% of the people do not read the article.
 
2014-02-08 11:06:30 AM  

Deathfrogg: quo vadimus: dantheman195: A armed society is a polite society

You know who else wanted to control an entire society through the threat of violence?

One of the things that bothers me the most about Dan's little cliche' there is the fact that in reality, an armed society is really full of people who are walking on eggshells everywhere they go. They never speak up on real injustices, they rarely if ever confront an asshole because they know that such an individual would very likely be armed. They sure as hell can't stand up and argue with anyone about anything simply because the default behavior in such a society is oriented towards violent reactions to offence, and normal humans who just want to get through a day without being too heavily stressed about the guy in the car next to them on the freeway or the off-duty Cop in the drive-through lane at a burger joint are the ones who always end up losing.



I was thinking about it after I posted and I suddenly realized that probably 95% of the people who say that cliche in a serious tone are also Bible-loving. You know, one of the many texts which is supposed to basically be an instruction manual from a supreme being worthy of constant devotion? The book whose word these people are supposed to follow unquestioningly. And whose main points overwhelmingly include "do unto others."

Yet there's this huge correlation between Bible thumpers and those who argue that the threat of instant death is the only way people will be nice to each other. The more left you get, the bigger (not big, but bigger) percentage of non-believers you have, and the bigger percentage of people who think that we should be capable of being nice to each other just because it's the right thing to do.

Strange how that works.
 
2014-02-08 11:18:19 AM  

quo vadimus:

I was thinking about it after I posted and I suddenly realized that probably 95% of the people who say that cliche in a serious tone are also Bible-loving. You know, one of the many texts which is supposed to basically be an instruction manual from a supreme being worthy of constant devotion? The book whose word these people are supposed to follow unquestioningly. And whose main points overwhelmingly include "do unto others."

Yet there's this huge correlation between Bible thumpers and those who argue that the threat of instant death is the only way people will be nice to each other. The more left you get, the bigger (not big, but bigger) percentage of non-believers you have, and the bigger percentage of people who think that we should be capable of being nice to each other just because it's the right thing to do.

Strange how that works.


Whats stranger, is that nowhere in the Bible does it actually say that we should be nice to each other. It seems to be a collection of stories mostly about how people are very specifically not nice to each other and yet are somehow "forgiven" for their violent behaviors by merely pledging allegiance to a religion company and promising to go along with that company's rulebook.

The whole Bible is all violence and robbery and bullshiat descriptions of old family trees that seem to just be mistranslated or just made up out of some local Bedouin phonebook.

Thats why this apparently recent development of Calvinistic Fascism is so alarming. There is a very real sense amongst such folks that violence is really the only way to solve the problems. Problems that seem to develop out of a increasingly dense population of poorly-nourished and undereducated humans.
 
2014-02-08 11:24:57 AM  
What movie was it?
 
2014-02-08 11:36:03 AM  
This seems to be a clear case of:

farm1.staticflickr.com
 
2014-02-08 11:56:18 AM  
People with guns are like radioactive atoms. One or two in a room is usually harmless. But a whole bunch of them together, one goes, everyone else gets spooked and starts poppin off, next thing you know everyone's dead and transmuted into lead.
 
2014-02-08 12:01:50 PM  

ransack.: God forbid you farking read an article and educate yourself about the situation before you comment


You must be new here.
 
2014-02-08 12:06:37 PM  
This was a fight between two assholes. period.
The asshole with the gun was victorious.

He will likely pay for this victory for the rest of his life.

Zimmerman was a moron and Trayvon was an overly aggressive punk teen. period.
The moron is still alive.
Everybody trying to make villains and victims out of these incidents is delusional.

I legally carry a gun. Here are MY rules....


NEVER START SH*T
NEVER ATTEMPT TO FINISH SH*T
WHEN SH*T IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN, GET THE F*CK OUT
DON'T EVER ARGUE WITH ANY STRANGER ABOUT ANYTHING FOR ANY REASON
ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY IS ALWAYS ARMED AND TREAT THEM ACCORDINGLY
NEVER EVER BE AFRAID TO "LOSE FACE" IF IT CAN PREVENT SOME SH*T FROM HAPPENING
 
2014-02-08 12:41:59 PM  

craigdamage: This was a fight between two assholes. period.
The asshole with the gun was victorious.

He will likely pay for this victory for the rest of his life.

Zimmerman was a moron and Trayvon was an overly aggressive punk teen. period.
The moron is still alive.
Everybody trying to make villains and victims out of these incidents is delusional.

I legally carry a gun. Here are MY rules....


NEVER START SH*T
NEVER ATTEMPT TO FINISH SH*T
WHEN SH*T IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN, GET THE F*CK OUT
DON'T EVER ARGUE WITH ANY STRANGER ABOUT ANYTHING FOR ANY REASON
ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY IS ALWAYS ARMED AND TREAT THEM ACCORDINGLY
NEVER EVER BE AFRAID TO "LOSE FACE" IF IT CAN PREVENT SOME SH*T FROM HAPPENING


I carry six pistols, one on each ankle, one on my belt, two shoulder holsters, and one duct-taped to my back between my shoulder blades.

I try to assume everybody else is similarly armed, but sometimes I can see a person's empty ankle or belt, and I know I have them outgunned.
 
2014-02-08 01:16:29 PM  

ransack.: craigdamage: This was a fight between two assholes. period.
The asshole with the gun was victorious.

He will likely pay for this victory for the rest of his life.

Zimmerman was a moron and Trayvon was an overly aggressive punk teen. period.
The moron is still alive.
Everybody trying to make villains and victims out of these incidents is delusional.

I legally carry a gun. Here are MY rules....


NEVER START SH*T
NEVER ATTEMPT TO FINISH SH*T
WHEN SH*T IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN, GET THE F*CK OUT
DON'T EVER ARGUE WITH ANY STRANGER ABOUT ANYTHING FOR ANY REASON
ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY IS ALWAYS ARMED AND TREAT THEM ACCORDINGLY
NEVER EVER BE AFRAID TO "LOSE FACE" IF IT CAN PREVENT SOME SH*T FROM HAPPENING

I carry six pistols, one on each ankle, one on my belt, two shoulder holsters, and one duct-taped to my back between my shoulder blades.

I try to assume everybody else is similarly armed, but sometimes I can see a person's empty ankle or belt, and I know I have them outgunned.


I carry the Popeil Pocket Nuke(tm)
If I go down
Everyone goes down
 
2014-02-08 02:01:29 PM  

craigdamage: This was a fight between two assholes. period.
The asshole with the gun was victorious.

He will likely pay for this victory for the rest of his life.

Zimmerman was a moron and Trayvon was an overly aggressive punk teen. period.
The moron is still alive.
Everybody trying to make villains and victims out of these incidents is delusional.

I legally carry a gun. Here are MY rules....


NEVER START SH*T
NEVER ATTEMPT TO FINISH SH*T
WHEN SH*T IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN, GET THE F*CK OUT
DON'T EVER ARGUE WITH ANY STRANGER ABOUT ANYTHING FOR ANY REASON
ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY IS ALWAYS ARMED AND TREAT THEM ACCORDINGLY
NEVER EVER BE AFRAID TO "LOSE FACE" IF IT CAN PREVENT SOME SH*T FROM HAPPENING


Great advice

All the guy had to do was apologize and sit in a different location out of view of crazy old dude.

Why do people like to get into pissing wars with strangers? It is like running in the Special Olympics.......
 
2014-02-08 02:07:05 PM  

badhatharry: mutterfark: Looks to me exactly the same as Zimmerman. Man with a gun feels he has the right to act like judge, jury and executioner because he has a gun and the other person doesn't. The younger man may or may not have been inconsiderate(even an asshole), but he did not initiate this incident. The old man with the gun did. And leaving and coming back to the man no longer texting wasn't good enough to satisfy the old man with the gun. Since the article states that the old man with a gun had it in his pocket, there was no way for the younger man(asshole?) to know he should just shut up and apologize. Old man with the gun just murdered someone for being inconsiderate and possibly an asshole. If that's the bar for being allowed to kill a person, then I need to invest in mortuary stocks.
I hope the old man with the gun goes to jail for the rest of his life.

/all IMHO
//i just liked saying 'old man with the gun'
///please don't shoot me just because i'm an asshole

Tayvon Martin wasn't throwing skittles at Zimmerman.


Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman throwing punches. If popcorn dude was on top of old dude throwing punches, I could see the use of force but throwing popcorn, even though rude and childish, doesn't call for a gun defense.

If popcorn dude would have just apologize and moved to a different seat, none of this would have happened either

Both are idiots, and this is the result of two idiots colliding.
 
2014-02-08 02:14:35 PM  

dantheman195: badhatharry: mutterfark: Looks to me exactly the same as Zimmerman. Man with a gun feels he has the right to act like judge, jury and executioner because he has a gun and the other person doesn't. The younger man may or may not have been inconsiderate(even an asshole), but he did not initiate this incident. The old man with the gun did. And leaving and coming back to the man no longer texting wasn't good enough to satisfy the old man with the gun. Since the article states that the old man with a gun had it in his pocket, there was no way for the younger man(asshole?) to know he should just shut up and apologize. Old man with the gun just murdered someone for being inconsiderate and possibly an asshole. If that's the bar for being allowed to kill a person, then I need to invest in mortuary stocks.
I hope the old man with the gun goes to jail for the rest of his life.

/all IMHO
//i just liked saying 'old man with the gun'
///please don't shoot me just because i'm an asshole

Tayvon Martin wasn't throwing skittles at Zimmerman.

Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman throwing punches. If popcorn dude was on top of old dude throwing punches, I could see the use of force but throwing popcorn, even though rude and childish, doesn't call for a gun defense.

If popcorn dude would have just apologize and moved to a different seat, none of this would have happened either

Both are idiots, and this is the result of two idiots colliding.


Both sides are bad but one side is dead. The asshole carrying the gun is a farking murderer. The other guy was just a jerk. Is this the new America? Do I start buying casket futures?
 
2014-02-08 02:23:17 PM  

mutterfark: dantheman195: badhatharry: mutterfark: Looks to me exactly the same as Zimmerman. Man with a gun feels he has the right to act like judge, jury and executioner because he has a gun and the other person doesn't. The younger man may or may not have been inconsiderate(even an asshole), but he did not initiate this incident. The old man with the gun did. And leaving and coming back to the man no longer texting wasn't good enough to satisfy the old man with the gun. Since the article states that the old man with a gun had it in his pocket, there was no way for the younger man(asshole?) to know he should just shut up and apologize. Old man with the gun just murdered someone for being inconsiderate and possibly an asshole. If that's the bar for being allowed to kill a person, then I need to invest in mortuary stocks.
I hope the old man with the gun goes to jail for the rest of his life.

/all IMHO
//i just liked saying 'old man with the gun'
///please don't shoot me just because i'm an asshole

Tayvon Martin wasn't throwing skittles at Zimmerman.

Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman throwing punches. If popcorn dude was on top of old dude throwing punches, I could see the use of force but throwing popcorn, even though rude and childish, doesn't call for a gun defense.

If popcorn dude would have just apologize and moved to a different seat, none of this would have happened either

Both are idiots, and this is the result of two idiots colliding.

Both sides are bad but one side is dead. The asshole carrying the gun is a farking murderer. The other guy was just a jerk. Is this the new America? Do I start buying casket futures?


I will say this, the state should bring this case to trial (I believe that is their intentions anyway). In my opinion, old dude is a murderer and should face a jury.
 
2014-02-08 02:46:38 PM  

craigdamage: This was a fight between two assholes. period.
The asshole with the gun was victorious.

He will likely pay for this victory for the rest of his life.

Zimmerman was a moron and Trayvon was an overly aggressive punk teen. period.
The moron is still alive.
Everybody trying to make villains and victims out of these incidents is delusional.

I legally carry a gun. Here are MY rules....


NEVER START SH*T
NEVER ATTEMPT TO FINISH SH*T
WHEN SH*T IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN, GET THE F*CK OUT
DON'T EVER ARGUE WITH ANY STRANGER ABOUT ANYTHING FOR ANY REASON
ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY IS ALWAYS ARMED AND TREAT THEM ACCORDINGLY
NEVER EVER BE AFRAID TO "LOSE FACE" IF IT CAN PREVENT SOME SH*T FROM HAPPENING


Lovin your rules dude....   those are also pretty much my exact rules.   I used to be the guy that wasn't afraid to say something that everyone else in the room wanted to say... someone loudly talking on their cell in a theater...  Hey... could you guys do me a favor and take the call outside...  next thing you know idiots bein idiots and want to step up...     By making a choice to be responsible for my safety, I also make a choice that I CAN NO LONGER HAVE THESE TYPES OF ALTERCATIONS.

So I just leave.  Should I happen to somehow get into a similar situation that was unavoidable...  my gun gives me carte blanche to LEAVE.  I don't care to get into a pissing match where someone might end up dead...   because I"m getting too old to fight, and certainly too young to die... so if someone starts assaulting me, I"m GOING to defend myself, and I'm GOING to be the victor.  If you're fighting a fair fight, you fight wrong.  I fight to win. Period.

So...  as I said, I can no longer afford to have issues and arguements with people.  Should something happen, I apologize and leave.  I don't have to puff my chest...  I don't have to man up.  THEY may not know it, but -I- know someone could end up DEAD... and I don't want that...  SO, I LEAVE.

If they want to prevent my departure or assault me, then I will be forced to equal or trump any force they are employing.  I will not fight someone.  If someone wants to assault me, I am assuming they intend to harm me, and I know I have not assaulted them or given them any reason to assault me, therefore I have no reason to think their actions are reasonable.  I will take the necessary steps to defend myself and my loved ones.


People have no right to go around assaulting people.   This man got himself shot because he assaulted another man.


YOU ALL CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS NO MATTER WHO STARTED THE ARGUMENT OR WHAT WAS SAID, THE YOUNGER MAN -ASSAULTED- THE OLDER MAN, AND THROWING PHONES AND POPCORN AT HIM IS INDEED ASSAULT WHETHER YOU WANT IT TO BE OR NOT.  Assaulting someone because they asked you to be polite is not reasonable.  Why would it be reasonable to assume that the assault was going to stop after the popcorn incident?   What you people fail to recognize is this:

ONE DOES NOT NEED TO BE INJURED OR EVEN BE HIT TO LEGALLY EMPLOY DEADLY FORCE....  especially in the case of disparity of force like this... young and strong vs old and feeble.  The old man does not have to wait until the young man hits him in order to defend himself.  The 1st hit could literally knock him out or kill him... then what?   One does NOT have to be hit or injured to employ deadly force in defense of themselves.


Was it the best move?  The right thing to do?  Perhaps not...    in fact, most likely not... but the fact remains that YOU DO NOT GET TO GO AROUND ASSAULTING PEOPLE, and if you do, and if you put fear into them and they defend themselves, that is legal.


It's up to the jury to decide, based on witness testimony of what was actually said to determine if his self defense was reasonable or not...  but I think you are going to be surprised to find out that a senior citizen is reasonable to fear great bodily harm after they are assaulted by someone much younger and stronger and in which case he may legally defend himself using deadly force.   You might not like it, but that is the way the law is.  The younger man had the means (his strength), he had the intent (he clearly assaulted him) and it was immediately going to happen...
 
2014-02-08 02:57:31 PM  

Blame Hofmann: What movie was it?


That Wahlberg soldier movie.
 
2014-02-08 03:10:50 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita: YOU ALL CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS NO MATTER WHO STARTED THE ARGUMENT OR WHAT WAS SAID, THE YOUNGER MAN -ASSAULTED- THE OLDER MAN, AND THROWING PHONES AND POPCORN AT HIM IS INDEED ASSAULT WHETHER YOU WANT IT TO BE OR NOT. Assaulting someone because they asked you to be polite is not reasonable. Why would it be reasonable to assume that the assault was going to stop after the popcorn incident?

What you people fail to recognize is this:ONE DOES NOT NEED TO BE INJURED OR EVEN BE HIT TO LEGALLY EMPLOY DEADLY FORCE.... especially in the case of disparity of force like this... young and strong vs old and feeble. The old man does not have to wait until the young man hits him in order to defend himself. The 1st hit could literally knock him out or kill him... then what? One does NOT have to be hit or injured to employ deadly force in defense of themselves.


You make a great point

I believe old dude did take it a step too far, but on the other hand, popcorn dude also took it a step too far as well.
 
2014-02-08 04:37:46 PM  

dantheman195: A armed society is a polite society


Forget these haters for they know not what they're talking. about.

An armed society allows people to hold doors, wave from a distance, pantomime life saving gestures such as stop, no, hurriedly come to me, show excitement at events, and so forth.

Someone without arms could never do that so, yeah, an armed society IS a polite society.
 
2014-02-08 08:10:37 PM  

dantheman195: Mr.BobDobalita: YOU ALL CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS NO MATTER WHO STARTED THE ARGUMENT OR WHAT WAS SAID, THE YOUNGER MAN -ASSAULTED- THE OLDER MAN, AND THROWING PHONES AND POPCORN AT HIM IS INDEED ASSAULT WHETHER YOU WANT IT TO BE OR NOT. Assaulting someone because they asked you to be polite is not reasonable. Why would it be reasonable to assume that the assault was going to stop after the popcorn incident?

What you people fail to recognize is this:ONE DOES NOT NEED TO BE INJURED OR EVEN BE HIT TO LEGALLY EMPLOY DEADLY FORCE.... especially in the case of disparity of force like this... young and strong vs old and feeble. The old man does not have to wait until the young man hits him in order to defend himself. The 1st hit could literally knock him out or kill him... then what? One does NOT have to be hit or injured to employ deadly force in defense of themselves.

You make a great point

I believe old dude did take it a step too far, but on the other hand, popcorn dude also took it a step too far as well.


Yes because the very next step from getting a sprinkle of popcorn is to fire your gun.  If you, Bob, and Craig are any indication, America is f*cked. Period.
There is no part of a civilized society where guns should be for anything more that for sport or hunting.  Period. A civilized society does not need guns for protection, concealed carry laws, or FFS stand your ground.  You (collective American) have a hard on for your guns... It is the single largest things wrong with your otherwise pretty good country.
 
2014-02-08 08:40:44 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: But seriously, why the f*ck so many guns, America?


Even if America didn't have a gun culture, a former cop would have different access compared to the general population anyway.
 
2014-02-08 10:44:49 PM  

ransack.: Mock26: If the victim was the one texting then the shooter should be given a medal.  If the shooter was the one texting then he should be castrated and then have his fingers pulled off one-by-one, and after that his nuts gnawed off by beavers with dull teeth, and then burned alive.

God forbid you farking read an article and educate yourself about the situation before you comment


I'm guessing Mock was arrested for texting while driving, or given a ticket, or is just bad at trolling.
 
2014-02-08 10:48:06 PM  

ransack.: Abacus9: LesserEvil: fusillade762: They have cameras inside movie theaters now? Well, so much for sneaking a beej in the back row.



You'd have been out of luck anyway, Paul tries to stay out of theaters in Florida these days.

Is that the actual mug shot? I've never seen it.

Alicious: then the entire country suffers from it.


Ah, thanks. I never realized how much I resemble Paul Reubens. I have no idea what to do with that.
 
2014-02-08 11:09:51 PM  

Deathfrogg: quo vadimus:

I was thinking about it after I posted and I suddenly realized that probably 95% of the people who say that cliche in a serious tone are also Bible-loving. You know, one of the many texts which is supposed to basically be an instruction manual from a supreme being worthy of constant devotion? The book whose word these people are supposed to follow unquestioningly. And whose main points overwhelmingly include "do unto others."

Yet there's this huge correlation between Bible thumpers and those who argue that the threat of instant death is the only way people will be nice to each other. The more left you get, the bigger (not big, but bigger) percentage of non-believers you have, and the bigger percentage of people who think that we should be capable of being nice to each other just because it's the right thing to do.

Strange how that works.

Whats stranger, is that nowhere in the Bible does it actually say that we should be nice to each other. It seems to be a collection of stories mostly about how people are very specifically not nice to each other and yet are somehow "forgiven" for their violent behaviors by merely pledging allegiance to a religion company and promising to go along with that company's rulebook.

The whole Bible is all violence and robbery and bullshiat descriptions of old family trees that seem to just be mistranslated or just made up out of some local Bedouin phonebook.

Thats why this apparently recent development of Calvinistic Fascism is so alarming. There is a very real sense amongst such folks that violence is really the only way to solve the problems. Problems that seem to develop out of a increasingly dense population of poorly-nourished and undereducated humans.


Interesting take, and I'd say you're right if you're only talking old testament. But new testament is all about forgiveness and compassion, which means being nice to each other. It doesn't mean someone doesn't still have to pay a debt to society if they break the law.

America trends toward fundamentalism. Most of them have probably never even heard of John Calvin. It seems to me the Evangelical theology is closer to Wesleyan/Arminian, but they probably don't know what that means either.

/Lutheran, but not overly so.
 
2014-02-08 11:54:56 PM  

sno man: dantheman195: Mr.BobDobalita: YOU ALL CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS NO MATTER WHO STARTED THE ARGUMENT OR WHAT WAS SAID, THE YOUNGER MAN -ASSAULTED- THE OLDER MAN, AND THROWING PHONES AND POPCORN AT HIM IS INDEED ASSAULT WHETHER YOU WANT IT TO BE OR NOT. Assaulting someone because they asked you to be polite is not reasonable. Why would it be reasonable to assume that the assault was going to stop after the popcorn incident?

What you people fail to recognize is this:ONE DOES NOT NEED TO BE INJURED OR EVEN BE HIT TO LEGALLY EMPLOY DEADLY FORCE.... especially in the case of disparity of force like this... young and strong vs old and feeble. The old man does not have to wait until the young man hits him in order to defend himself. The 1st hit could literally knock him out or kill him... then what? One does NOT have to be hit or injured to employ deadly force in defense of themselves.

You make a great point

I believe old dude did take it a step too far, but on the other hand, popcorn dude also took it a step too far as well.

Yes because the very next step from getting a sprinkle of popcorn is to fire your gun.  If you, Bob, and Craig are any indication, America is f*cked. Period.
There is no part of a civilized society where guns should be for anything more that for sport or hunting.  Period. A civilized society does not need guns for protection, concealed carry laws, or FFS stand your ground.  You (collective American) have a hard on for your guns... It is the single largest things wrong with your otherwise pretty good country.


Look, as other people have said this is the tail of 2 idiots and is no doubt a tragedy...


I'm not even necessarily saying the shooter made the right move, because I don't believe he did.    As other's said he could have switched seats... or guess what, not said a damn thing to begin with....   As I stated when talking about Craig's comments, I would have never said anything to start with.  I avoid confrontations and conflict.


But AS FOR WHAT THE LAW STATES... I"m just saying, the old man was most definitely assaulted.   There was most definitely a "disparity of force".  The old man told police he "maybe would have tusselled with the younger man 20 years ago, but he was scared s**tless and he thought the other guy was going to beat the s**t out of him".  The younger man assaulted a senior citizen.  The senior was rightfully in fear for what may happen next.  He defended himself.   The jury may or may not find him reasonable in that fear, but it is what it is.  And that is the law.  YOu can legally defend yourself, using deadly force, if you have a reasonable fear that someone is about to cause you great bodily harm or death.   The younger man had the means (a weapon or disparity of force) he had the intent (he threatened or was already assaulting him) and it was and immediate threat...    


You can dislike it all you want, but it is the law in the vast majority of states.  Period.  If you want to stick up for the guy assaulting random people, that shows the content of your character.  It doesn't really matter WHAT was said by the old man...  words don't give you the license to assault people.  PERIOD.  The younger man stepped over the line and took things physical.  The old man was in fear, and he took steps to defend himself.


I"m not saying I agree with it... but from the standpoint of the law, I won't be surprised if he gets off.


As far as people carrying guns... thanks for your opinion.  Here's my outlook.   I was assaulted by 4 men with tire irons.   I spent some time in the hospital after the kicked the living s**t out of me.  I now have small children.  I'm A.) not going to have them stand by and watch their dad get beaten and B.) I'm not going to stand by and watch bad things happen to them.   I refuse to be a victim again.  Maybe you've never had anything bad happen to you to make you realize how vulnerable you are, but I have, so I"ve taken steps to increase my awareness, increase my skills, increase my strengths, increase my intelligence in getting out of bad situations, and if none of that works, increase my chances of winning any fights that people bring to me.  As I stated, I don't fight, and if someone wants to fight me anyway, I sure as hell don't fight fair.  If you're fighting a fair fight, you've made a terrible mistake because I'll kick, eyegouge, bite, stab, shoot, or anything else i have to do to survive.  So don't judge me.  You don't know who I am or what I"ve lived through.  It's my right to defend my precious gift of life any way I see fit.  If you don't like the choices I"ve made, guess what.. it's a free country... and you're free to piss up a rope if you don't like that I carry a gun and I have plenty of good and legitimate reasons to.
 
2014-02-09 12:11:01 AM  

Mr.BobDobalita: As far as people carrying guns... thanks for your opinion. Here's my outlook. I was assaulted by 4 men with tire irons. I spent some time in the hospital after the kicked the living s**t out of me. I now have small children. I'm A.) not going to have them stand by and watch their dad get beaten and B.) I'm not going to stand by and watch bad things happen to them. I refuse to be a victim again. Maybe you've never had anything bad happen to you to make you realize how vulnerable you are, but I have, so I"ve taken steps to increase my awareness, increase my skills, increase my strengths, increase my intelligence in getting out of bad situations, and if none of that works, increase my chances of winning any fights that people bring to me. As I stated, I don't fight, and if someone wants to fight me anyway, I sure as hell don't fight fair. If you're fighting a fair fight, you've made a terrible mistake because I'll kick, eyegouge, bite, stab, shoot, or anything else i have to do to survive. So don't judge me. You don't know who I am or what I"ve lived through. It's my right to defend my precious gift of life any way I see fit. If you don't like the choices I"ve made, guess what.. it's a free country... and you're free to piss up a rope if you don't like that I carry a gun and I have plenty of good and legitimate reasons to.


I think you are missing my bigger point, I said a civilized society does not need guns for anything more that sport or hunting.  That you feel you need a gun for protection means... I don't find your version of civilization all that civilized.
And I'm sorry for you, and especially your kids, feeling like you have to live like that.
 
2014-02-09 02:58:02 AM  

Abacus9: ransack.: Mock26: If the victim was the one texting then the shooter should be given a medal.  If the shooter was the one texting then he should be castrated and then have his fingers pulled off one-by-one, and after that his nuts gnawed off by beavers with dull teeth, and then burned alive.

God forbid you farking read an article and educate yourself about the situation before you comment

I'm guessing Mock was arrested for texting while driving, or given a ticket, or is just bad at trolling.


1.  That is Mock26 to you, Good Sir.
2.  I just really hate people who use their phones during the movie.
 
2014-02-09 03:12:06 AM  

Mock26: Abacus9: ransack.: Mock26: If the victim was the one texting then the shooter should be given a medal.  If the shooter was the one texting then he should be castrated and then have his fingers pulled off one-by-one, and after that his nuts gnawed off by beavers with dull teeth, and then burned alive.

God forbid you farking read an article and educate yourself about the situation before you comment

I'm guessing Mock was arrested for texting while driving, or given a ticket, or is just bad at trolling.

1.  That is Mock26 to you, Good Sir.
2.  I just really hate people who use their phones during the movie.


My apologies, Mock26. I admit I've been dickish lately. I understand about phones during a movie. I don't mind texting, though.
 
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