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2014-02-07 08:05:24 PM
[popcorn.gif]
 
2014-02-07 08:29:12 PM
They have cameras inside movie theaters now? Well, so much for sneaking a beej in the back row.
 
2014-02-07 08:44:35 PM
Whatever, Here's the take-away:
The f*cker couldn't even get bail in THE stand your ground state.  As a former cop.
 
2014-02-07 09:08:06 PM
I can't ascertain anything useful from that video.
 
2014-02-07 09:09:33 PM
Looks like the victim tossed a popcorn bag at the old man who then shot the victim.

If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.

/This ex-cop is no Zimmerman.
 
2014-02-07 09:20:48 PM

fusillade762: They have cameras inside movie theaters now?


Yes, to look for people who are recording the movie on a video camera or cell phone. It's not a new thing.
 
2014-02-07 09:24:59 PM
0 face
 
2014-02-07 09:49:31 PM

Ivo Shandor: fusillade762: They have cameras inside movie theaters now?

Yes, to look for people who are recording the movie on a video camera or cell phone. It's not a new thing.


Yo dawg, we herd you like recording movies so we're going to record you while you record.
 
2014-02-07 10:13:15 PM
so this is a snuff film?
 
2014-02-07 10:13:53 PM
I thought we knew what happened, a psychopath shot a young father for no reason.
 
2014-02-07 10:15:34 PM

AirForceVet: If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.


That's why I advocate the ability to bring firearms on flights so we can keep those undisciplined mouthy crotchfruit in check.
 
2014-02-07 10:16:02 PM

sno man: Whatever, Here's the take-away:
The f*cker couldn't even get bail in THE stand your ground state.  As a former cop.


Victim wasn't wearing a hoodie.
 
2014-02-07 10:16:30 PM

fusillade762: They have cameras inside movie theaters now? Well, so much for sneaking a beej in the back row.


I'm sure your boyfriends will be disappointed. ;)

NTTAWWT
 
2014-02-07 10:16:34 PM

fusillade762: They have cameras inside movie theaters now? Well, so much for sneaking a beej in the back row.


You were sneaking?  Everyone else knew what was going on.
 
2014-02-07 10:19:29 PM
Good. That murderer doesn't deserve bail.

C18H27NO3: AirForceVet: If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.

That's why I advocate the ability to bring firearms on flights so we can keep those undisciplined mouthy crotchfruit in check.


Or you're a big fan of rapid decompression.
 
2014-02-07 10:20:24 PM
Why Has no one said "early onset alsheimers"?
Obviously some sort of cognitive dysfunction.
That, and a guy used to bossing people around, but who now can't.
 
2014-02-07 10:20:30 PM

sno man: Whatever, Here's the take-away:
The f*cker couldn't even get bail in THE stand your ground state.  As a former cop.


Erm...that does actually seem kind of telling.
 
2014-02-07 10:21:07 PM

jayessell: That, and a guy used to bossing people around, but who now can't.


As a police chief, I'm sure he was above the law.
 
2014-02-07 10:21:53 PM

jayessell: Why Has no one said "early onset alsheimers"?
Obviously some sort of cognitive dysfunction.
That, and a guy used to bossing people around, but who now can't.


Because " Literally Raging Asshole" covers it so much better?
 
2014-02-07 10:22:22 PM

jayessell: Why Has no one said "early onset alsheimers"?
Obviously some sort of cognitive dysfunction.
That, and a guy used to bossing people around, but who now can't.


What are you , some kind of defense lawyer?

Maybe his counsel will use a variant of the defense that murderer kid in Texas used -- because he had always been able to boss people around, he never learned to not boss people around.
 
2014-02-07 10:23:49 PM
Two more assholes off the street, America wins.
 
2014-02-07 10:25:16 PM

jayessell: Why Has no one said "early onset alsheimers"?
Obviously some sort of cognitive dysfunction.
That, and a guy used to bossing people around, but who now can't.


I think in the thread where this first broke some people were trying to excuse his cold blooded murder as some kind of mental impairment. I didn't buy it then... I don't buy it now. I think he's just a cold blooded murderer who thought he could get away with it.

With hope... he thought wrong.
 
2014-02-07 10:26:30 PM
Can't wait until this guy is found innocent
 
2014-02-07 10:27:17 PM
'im at the movies. someones yelling at me to turn my phone off lol'
 
2014-02-07 10:28:02 PM

fusillade762: They have cameras inside movie theaters now? Well, so much for sneaking a beej in the back row.


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You'd have been out of luck anyway, Paul tries to stay out of theaters in Florida these days.
 
2014-02-07 10:29:29 PM
Pretty quick reflexes for a 71 year old man. I think he already made the decision to at least brandish the gun in the younger guy's face to scare him and shot him instead.

I also think the old guy is in the early stages of dementia. Inappropriate anger is one of the signs.
 
2014-02-07 10:29:52 PM
dhead #1 attempts to slap around an old man...
dhead #2 responds with gun fire in a movie theater...  what is BEHIND YOUR TARGET dumbass....

/sooo much face palm... soo little time...
 
2014-02-07 10:29:59 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we knew what happened, a psychopath shot a young father for no reason.


Yup.
 
2014-02-07 10:32:50 PM

AirForceVet: Looks like the victim tossed a popcorn bag at the old man who then shot the victim.

If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.

/This ex-cop is no Zimmerman.


The old guy overreacted and took a man's life over getting pissed off and saying something about the victim using his cell phone before the movie started.

No winners here, but it probably shouldn't have cost the idiot cell phone user his life. Basically a road rage incident, translated into the theater. Two morons escalating their anger over something simple stupid small.

My take-away is the old guy saying "I'm 71 years old..." - he was basically admitting that he didn't care enough to be concerned that he was going to potentially take a life when he drew his gun.
 
2014-02-07 10:33:43 PM

AirForceVet: Looks like the victim tossed a popcorn bag at the old man who then shot the victim.

If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.

/This ex-cop is no Zimmerman.


The thing that cracks me up about Zimmerman is how people were so scared some angry armed psycho would gun him down in the street. Still alive and well though.
 
2014-02-07 10:34:08 PM
He gave him 38 reasons not to text at the movies.
 
2014-02-07 10:34:45 PM
When describing the evidence he has, the defense attorney should find another adjective other than "incredible".

Also, what happened to the camera right after the shooting? Looked like sparks coming from the ceiling.
 
2014-02-07 10:34:51 PM
FTA "If I had to do it over again, it would never have happened, but you don't get do-overs," Reeves told detectives in his interviews

........

So when he loses the case I assume he won't be appealing.
 
2014-02-07 10:37:19 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we knew what happened, a psychopath shot a young father for no reason.


Yeah, it was too late to stop his genes from being passed on...if only the psychopath had gone nuts and gotten the guy earlier it would have been win-win for everyone.
 
2014-02-07 10:41:19 PM

LesserEvil: AirForceVet: Looks like the victim tossed a popcorn bag at the old man who then shot the victim.

If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.

/This ex-cop is no Zimmerman.

The old guy overreacted and took a man's life over getting pissed off and saying something about the victim using his cell phone before the movie started.

No winners here, but it probably shouldn't have cost the idiot cell phone user his life. Basically a road rage incident, translated into the theater. Two morons escalating their anger over something simple stupid small.

My take-away is the old guy saying "I'm 71 years old..." - he was basically admitting that he didn't care enough to be concerned that he was going to potentially take a life when he drew his gun.


The guy will never be a texting asshole in a theater again, so there's that.

What this society lacks is a whole lot of, "Oops!  You're right.  I farked up.  Sorry."

The asshole probably DID deserve to be shot, based on the video.  If you look closely, he lunged over the seat, grabbed the guy's popcorn, threw it at him, all while probably yelling at the guy.  The popcorn throw was probably followed by him raring back to do more, had the old guy not shot him.

We'll never know, but the entire incident could have been avoided if the asshole had just had a little bit of respect for other people around him and just apologized.  "I'm sorry.  I was just letting the babysitter know the movie was starting.  Phone is off and headed into my pocket."
 
2014-02-07 10:42:44 PM
a former police officer will stay in jail until his trial for gunning down a fellow moviegoer

Wait, that nutbar was a cop?

*facepalm*
 
2014-02-07 10:44:21 PM

LesserEvil: fusillade762: They have cameras inside movie theaters now? Well, so much for sneaking a beej in the back row.



You'd have been out of luck anyway, Paul tries to stay out of theaters in Florida these days.


Is that the actual mug shot? I've never seen it.

Alicious: then the entire country suffers from it.
 
2014-02-07 10:44:34 PM

DubyaHater: Can't wait until this guy is found innocent


Yes, so I can bathe in the bitter tears of all you criminal lovers/cop haters.

The punk shouldn't have messed with a retired cop.  Once a cop, always a cop.  The combat reflexes just kicked in.

You're not allowed to use your phone in the movie theater. Period. He doesn't get an exemption because he was texting his precious snowflake.

I'll bet the defense will find some stuff on that phone that proves the deceased criminal wasn't the innocent angel the lie-beral media is making him out to be.
 
2014-02-07 10:44:53 PM

TOSViolation: LesserEvil: AirForceVet: Looks like the victim tossed a popcorn bag at the old man who then shot the victim.

If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.

/This ex-cop is no Zimmerman.

The old guy overreacted and took a man's life over getting pissed off and saying something about the victim using his cell phone before the movie started.

No winners here, but it probably shouldn't have cost the idiot cell phone user his life. Basically a road rage incident, translated into the theater. Two morons escalating their anger over something simple stupid small.

My take-away is the old guy saying "I'm 71 years old..." - he was basically admitting that he didn't care enough to be concerned that he was going to potentially take a life when he drew his gun.

The guy will never be a texting asshole in a theater again, so there's that.

What this society lacks is a whole lot of, "Oops!  You're right.  I farked up.  Sorry."

The asshole probably DID deserve to be shot, based on the video.  If you look closely, he lunged over the seat, grabbed the guy's popcorn, threw it at him, all while probably yelling at the guy.  The popcorn throw was probably followed by him raring back to do more, had the old guy not shot him.

We'll never know, but the entire incident could have been avoided if the asshole had just had a little bit of respect for other people around him and just apologized.  "I'm sorry.  I was just letting the babysitter know the movie was starting.  Phone is off and headed into my pocket."


Or you know because it was the previews and not the actual movie the old man could just nutted up and ignored it.
 
gad
2014-02-07 10:45:13 PM

C18H27NO3: AirForceVet: If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.

That's why I advocate the ability to bring firearms on flights so we can keep those undisciplined mouthy crotchfruit in check.


And then somebody else can shoot you cause they are armed and you would pose a very valid threat what with you shooting kids and all. It'll be a regular death race in the skies. Whoever gets off the flights alive gets to split the luggage.
Only really anti social people would pack light then.
 
2014-02-07 10:45:57 PM

LesserEvil: AirForceVet: Looks like the victim tossed a popcorn bag at the old man who then shot the victim.

If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.

/This ex-cop is no Zimmerman.

The old guy overreacted and took a man's life over getting pissed off and saying something about the victim using his cell phone before the movie started.

No winners here, but it probably shouldn't have cost the idiot cell phone user his life. Basically a road rage incident, translated into the theater. Two morons escalating their anger over something simple stupid small.

My take-away is the old guy saying "I'm 71 years old..." - he was basically admitting that he didn't care enough to be concerned that he was going to potentially take a life when he drew his gun.


Old ex-cop with a beef about cell phones users in general decided to be a asshole to a guy using his cellphone before the movie started.  Guy rightly tells the old farker to go take his geritol and stfu.  Old man decides to commit premeditated murder by leaving to get a gun and returns to commit the crime first by winding up the guy as only a psychopath can.  Old fart utterly shocked cops arrest him even after he told them he was a retired cop.  Thinking in my day we would have just threw a gun down and ignored the witnesses.  Not knowing that it was all on video.  I'm sure he has a problem with cameras to.  fark him, convict him, and sue him in court for some compensation for that kid he left without a father.  May he rot in jail getting that personal attention only a ex cop can command.
 
2014-02-07 10:49:20 PM

Atomic Spunk: When describing the evidence he has, the defense attorney should find another adjective other than "incredible".

Also, what happened to the camera right after the shooting? Looked like sparks coming from the ceiling.


from another article:

"Dust, dislodged from the camera's lens by the rattle of the gunfire, then flutters across the screen".
 
2014-02-07 10:49:49 PM
Who cares about the previews/ads before the feature?
 
2014-02-07 10:50:09 PM

Dougie AXP: TOSViolation: LesserEvil: AirForceVet: Looks like the victim tossed a popcorn bag at the old man who then shot the victim.

If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.

/This ex-cop is no Zimmerman.

The old guy overreacted and took a man's life over getting pissed off and saying something about the victim using his cell phone before the movie started.

No winners here, but it probably shouldn't have cost the idiot cell phone user his life. Basically a road rage incident, translated into the theater. Two morons escalating their anger over something simple stupid small.

My take-away is the old guy saying "I'm 71 years old..." - he was basically admitting that he didn't care enough to be concerned that he was going to potentially take a life when he drew his gun.

The guy will never be a texting asshole in a theater again, so there's that.

What this society lacks is a whole lot of, "Oops!  You're right.  I farked up.  Sorry."

The asshole probably DID deserve to be shot, based on the video.  If you look closely, he lunged over the seat, grabbed the guy's popcorn, threw it at him, all while probably yelling at the guy.  The popcorn throw was probably followed by him raring back to do more, had the old guy not shot him.

We'll never know, but the entire incident could have been avoided if the asshole had just had a little bit of respect for other people around him and just apologized.  "I'm sorry.  I was just letting the babysitter know the movie was starting.  Phone is off and headed into my pocket."

Or you know because it was the previews and not the actual movie the old man could just nutted up and ignored it.


fark you.  The previews are the BEST PART.

They come on LONG after the "turn off your farking cell phones or GTFO" message plays repeatedly.

If I owned a theater, I'm pretty sure I could charge a lot more per ticket, sell drinks and popcorn for much less ($5 for a drink and popcorn of reasonable size e.g. what you get at Target's snack bar), and have a VERY strict behavior policy.  I'd have assholes actively escorted out of the theater and banned for life if they become a repeat annoyance.  People would flock to my theater because my staff would actually CARE.
 
2014-02-07 10:50:35 PM

jayessell: Who cares about the previews/ads before the feature?


Old people.
 
2014-02-07 10:51:40 PM

TOSViolation: Dougie AXP: TOSViolation: LesserEvil: AirForceVet: Looks like the victim tossed a popcorn bag at the old man who then shot the victim.

If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.

/This ex-cop is no Zimmerman.

The old guy overreacted and took a man's life over getting pissed off and saying something about the victim using his cell phone before the movie started.

No winners here, but it probably shouldn't have cost the idiot cell phone user his life. Basically a road rage incident, translated into the theater. Two morons escalating their anger over something simple stupid small.

My take-away is the old guy saying "I'm 71 years old..." - he was basically admitting that he didn't care enough to be concerned that he was going to potentially take a life when he drew his gun.

The guy will never be a texting asshole in a theater again, so there's that.

What this society lacks is a whole lot of, "Oops!  You're right.  I farked up.  Sorry."

The asshole probably DID deserve to be shot, based on the video.  If you look closely, he lunged over the seat, grabbed the guy's popcorn, threw it at him, all while probably yelling at the guy.  The popcorn throw was probably followed by him raring back to do more, had the old guy not shot him.

We'll never know, but the entire incident could have been avoided if the asshole had just had a little bit of respect for other people around him and just apologized.  "I'm sorry.  I was just letting the babysitter know the movie was starting.  Phone is off and headed into my pocket."

Or you know because it was the previews and not the actual movie the old man could just nutted up and ignored it.

fark you.  The previews are the BEST PART.

They come on LONG after the "turn off your farking cell phones or GTFO" message plays repeatedly.

If I owned a theater, I'm pretty sure I could charge a lot more per ticket, sell drinks and popcorn f ...


You could pay your staff to shoot them! That would be AWESOME!
 
2014-02-07 10:52:14 PM
from a more detailed article:

"It was after the gunshot and before he knew there was video surveillance, that Reeves made up a story about self defense".
 
2014-02-07 10:52:20 PM
Txting might be a crime to the englisg language, but it is hardly reason to comment. Especially in the previews.

The judge basically started this guy's time served. If he gets off on a dementia claim six months from now he will have at least served some time.
 
2014-02-07 10:55:26 PM
Two less douchebags
 
2014-02-07 10:58:10 PM

Parthenogenetic: DubyaHater: Can't wait until this guy is found innocent

Yes, so I can bathe in the bitter tears of all you criminal lovers/cop haters.

The punk shouldn't have messed with a retired cop.  Once a cop, always a cop.  The combat reflexes just kicked in.

You're not allowed to use your phone in the movie theater. Period. He doesn't get an exemption because he was texting his precious snowflake.

I'll bet the defense will find some stuff on that phone that proves the deceased criminal wasn't the innocent angel the lie-beral media is making him out to be.


0/10 all around. Even a troll like you can't believe using a cell in a theater is worth getting killed over, unless you're a psycho like the guy from the article, in which case you should be put away. As for what you said about the media, we DO have presumption of innocence here. You're either the world's worst troll, or human garbage. Either way, fark off.
 
2014-02-07 10:58:30 PM
fark you.  The previews are the BEST PART.

They come on LONG after the "turn off your farking cell phones or GTFO" message plays repeatedly.

If I owned a theater, I'm pretty sure I could charge a lot more per ticket, sell drinks and popcorn f ...


Previews are crap.  I paid to see a movie.  Instead after paying I have to watch their swill.  Its like they get paid twice.  Once when I pay and then I have to watch commercials.   movie previews are usually the best parts from a goats ass and that ain't much.
 
2014-02-07 11:03:02 PM
The whole thing could've been avoided if one of them just moved seats
/It's not like place was crowded
 
2014-02-07 11:04:31 PM
I saw it earlier in another thread. There was no pew-pew!
 
2014-02-07 11:07:29 PM

TOSViolation: Dougie AXP: TOSViolation: LesserEvil: AirForceVet: Looks like the victim tossed a popcorn bag at the old man who then shot the victim.

If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.

/This ex-cop is no Zimmerman.

The old guy overreacted and took a man's life over getting pissed off and saying something about the victim using his cell phone before the movie started.

No winners here, but it probably shouldn't have cost the idiot cell phone user his life. Basically a road rage incident, translated into the theater. Two morons escalating their anger over something simple stupid small.

My take-away is the old guy saying "I'm 71 years old..." - he was basically admitting that he didn't care enough to be concerned that he was going to potentially take a life when he drew his gun.

The guy will never be a texting asshole in a theater again, so there's that.

What this society lacks is a whole lot of, "Oops!  You're right.  I farked up.  Sorry."

The asshole probably DID deserve to be shot, based on the video.  If you look closely, he lunged over the seat, grabbed the guy's popcorn, threw it at him, all while probably yelling at the guy.  The popcorn throw was probably followed by him raring back to do more, had the old guy not shot him.

We'll never know, but the entire incident could have been avoided if the asshole had just had a little bit of respect for other people around him and just apologized.  "I'm sorry.  I was just letting the babysitter know the movie was starting.  Phone is off and headed into my pocket."

Or you know because it was the previews and not the actual movie the old man could just nutted up and ignored it.

fark you.  The previews are the BEST PART.

They come on LONG after the "turn off your farking cell phones or GTFO" message plays repeatedly.

If I owned a theater, I'm pretty sure I could charge a lot more per ticket, sell drinks and popcorn f ...


Newsflash; that message to turn off cell phones ISN'T A GOD DAMN LAW. NOT KILLING PEOPLE IS.

Obviously the manager of the theater told the old coot "its the farking previews, there 25 farking minutes of them, it's not a big deal"

as for your other statements, yes you could do all of that and you would make a nice chunk of change. Ever been to the theaters that are adult only and offer beer and food? they make bank because people are willing to pay for separation.

ALL of that being said, none of what happened in that theater warrants killing someone. After popcorn throw, old fart should have gone back to the manager, insisted texting dick be thrown out for "assaulting" him and there ya go, tension averted.

OR HEY, that off duty sheriff who was sitting a few rows back could have intervened the first time and told them to calm down
 
2014-02-07 11:07:36 PM

Parthenogenetic: DubyaHater: Can't wait until this guy is found innocent

Yes, so I can bathe in the bitter tears of all you criminal lovers/cop haters.

The punk shouldn't have messed with a retired cop.  Once a cop, always a cop.  The combat reflexes just kicked in.

You're not allowed to use your phone in the movie theater. Period. He doesn't get an exemption because he was texting his precious snowflake.

I'll bet the defense will find some stuff on that phone that proves the deceased criminal wasn't the innocent angel the lie-beral media is making him out to be.


Niiiiiice.
 
2014-02-07 11:07:53 PM

MFAWG: jayessell: Who cares about the previews/ads before the feature?

Old people.


Went to see Monuments men today at the matinee.   Not only was the whole theater filled up 30 mins before the movie started it was entirely comprised of old farts.  Multiple old farts complaining about the lack of heat in a room that was easily 65 degrees, going to tell ushers.  My GOD did they talk during the whole movie.  Half the time they couldn't hear what was said and needed someone to repeat it, sometimes multiple times.  Sometimes they just asked what the name of the actors on screen were.

And then someone opened a can of tuna after the first act.
 
2014-02-07 11:08:26 PM
This, and the guy who shot the kids in the SUV for playing loud music at a gas station.  I'm thinking Anger Management needs to be considered as a qualifier to get a gun permit.
 
2014-02-07 11:08:42 PM

TOSViolation: The asshole probably DID deserve to be shot, based on the video.  If you look closely, he lunged over the seat, grabbed the guy's popcorn, threw it at him, all while probably yelling at the guy.  The popcorn throw was probably followed by him raring back to do more, had the old guy not shot him.


I think I don't want you deciding what are shootable transgressions.

TOSViolation: Wouldn't need to shoot them, but would definitely be accompanied by an armed guard in case the assholes tried to assault the ushers.


Now  I KNOW I don't


TOSViolation: People would flock to my theater because my staff would actually CARE.


BWAHAHHAHA! Unless you paid a living wage, gave free screenings to employees +1 and provided health insurance along with child care, good luck getting a theater employee to care about patrons
 
2014-02-07 11:10:28 PM
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2014-02-07 11:10:42 PM

lewismarktwo: And then someone opened a can of tuna after the first act.


It was probably cat food

/cheaper, easier to afford on Social Security
//but, no socialism goddammit!
 
2014-02-07 11:11:00 PM

lewismarktwo: MFAWG: jayessell: Who cares about the previews/ads before the feature?

Old people.

Went to see Monuments men today at the matinee.   Not only was the whole theater filled up 30 mins before the movie started it was entirely comprised of old farts.  Multiple old farts complaining about the lack of heat in a room that was easily 65 degrees, going to tell ushers.  My GOD did they talk during the whole movie.  Half the time they couldn't hear what was said and needed someone to repeat it, sometimes multiple times.  Sometimes they just asked what the name of the actors on screen were.

And then someone opened a can of tuna after the first act.


Granny gettin' finger-blasted in the back row!

/at least no one got shot
 
2014-02-07 11:13:30 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we knew what happened, an psychopath old father shot a young father for  no several reasons.


Oh, there was a reason.  A couple of them, as far as I can tell.  Not good reasons, mind you, but still reasons. Since you're going for the irrelevant father angle for some type of heartstring sympathy, I edited your comments to be more accurate.
 
2014-02-07 11:14:22 PM

Brainsick: TOSViolation: Wouldn't need to shoot them, but would definitely be accompanied by an armed guard in case the assholes tried to assault the ushers.

Now  I KNOW I don't


Now I KNOW you're an asshole kid who doesn't know shiat about people.  Try asking a person, nicely, to leave.  You're way too chicken-shiat to be a bouncer.

TOSViolation: People would flock to my theater because my staff would actually CARE.

BWAHAHHAHA! Unless you paid a living wage, gave free screenings to employees +1 and provided health insurance along with child care, good luck getting a theater employee to care about patrons


Why would I not do that?  What kind of asshole are you to think people don't deserve a decent salary?  fark you for even suggesting that.
 
2014-02-07 11:14:27 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: /at least no one got shot


Except potentially the couple sitting in front of Granny.
 
2014-02-07 11:14:48 PM

santadog: This, and the guy who shot the kids in the SUV for playing loud music at a gas station.  I'm thinking Anger Management needs to be considered as a qualifier to get a gun permit.


Also an older man, and IIRC, the cops had to track him down and when confronted, his response was of the 'Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?' variety

Perhaps what we need is a national dialogue, along the lines of 'Don't shoot, talk'

/of course, there are legitimate circumstances for gun defense, but 'not being listened to' is not one of them
 
2014-02-07 11:17:37 PM

TOSViolation: You're way too chicken-shiat to be a bouncer.


LOL

/yeah, 'cuz you know me IRL
//not that you'll believe me, but I've been a bouncer, that's why I LOL'd
 
2014-02-07 11:17:44 PM

debug: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we knew what happened, an psychopath old father shot a young father for  no several reasons.

Oh, there was a reason.  A couple of them, as far as I can tell.  Not good reasons, mind you, but still reasons. Since you're going for the irrelevant father angle for some type of heartstring sympathy, I edited your comments to be more accurate.


By "no reason" I meant "no legitimate reason"... didn't think that needed clarification.

And yeah, we know what the reason was: the old man is a violent lunatic.
 
2014-02-07 11:17:51 PM
Old fart decides that someone doing a quick quiet text reply during the previews was justification to commit murder.

/And also when old fart complained to management previous, management said "its the farking previews, asshole".
//Old fart then also decided to sit right back where he was outraged at text man.
///5 second missing from video, but old fart was going to shoot no matter what.
 
2014-02-07 11:17:56 PM

TOSViolation: LesserEvil: AirForceVet: Looks like the victim tossed a popcorn bag at the old man who then shot the victim.

If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.

/This ex-cop is no Zimmerman.

The old guy overreacted and took a man's life over getting pissed off and saying something about the victim using his cell phone before the movie started.

No winners here, but it probably shouldn't have cost the idiot cell phone user his life. Basically a road rage incident, translated into the theater. Two morons escalating their anger over something simple stupid small.

My take-away is the old guy saying "I'm 71 years old..." - he was basically admitting that he didn't care enough to be concerned that he was going to potentially take a life when he drew his gun.

The guy will never be a texting asshole in a theater again, so there's that.

What this society lacks is a whole lot of, "Oops!  You're right.  I farked up.  Sorry."

The asshole probably DID deserve to be shot, based on the video.  If you look closely, he lunged over the seat, grabbed the guy's popcorn, threw it at him, all while probably yelling at the guy.  The popcorn throw was probably followed by him raring back to do more, had the old guy not shot him.

We'll never know, but the entire incident could have been avoided if the asshole had just had a little bit of respect for other people around him and just apologized.  "I'm sorry.  I was just letting the babysitter know the movie was starting.  Phone is off and headed into my pocket."


Oh you:)
 
2014-02-07 11:19:13 PM

Brainsick: santadog: This, and the guy who shot the kids in the SUV for playing loud music at a gas station.  I'm thinking Anger Management needs to be considered as a qualifier to get a gun permit.

Also an older man, and IIRC, the cops had to track him down and when confronted, his response was of the 'Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?' variety

Perhaps what we need is a national dialogue, along the lines of 'Don't shoot, talk'

/of course, there are legitimate circumstances for gun defense, but 'not being listened to' is not one of them


Actually, what we need is parents actually giving discipline to their kids and teaching them to respect others.  I didn't hear the story about the kids in the SUV, but presumably they won't be doing that anymore.

What we need is for idiot kids to have a FEAR of being assholes.  Right now, they think they're kids so there are no real consequences.  That's pretty LOLtastic to suggest talking to them.  Their most likely response would be to throw a soda in the guy's face.  These are the same types of assholes who think it's funny to go down the road destroying mailboxes.

Stupid little farkers need to be removed from society.  (I'm not saying how, but maybe Australia could be re-purposed again.)
 
2014-02-07 11:20:11 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: lewismarktwo: MFAWG: jayessell: Who cares about the previews/ads before the feature?

Old people.

Went to see Monuments men today at the matinee.   Not only was the whole theater filled up 30 mins before the movie started it was entirely comprised of old farts.  Multiple old farts complaining about the lack of heat in a room that was easily 65 degrees, going to tell ushers.  My GOD did they talk during the whole movie.  Half the time they couldn't hear what was said and needed someone to repeat it, sometimes multiple times.  Sometimes they just asked what the name of the actors on screen were.

And then someone opened a can of tuna after the first act.

Granny gettin' finger-blasted in the back row!

/at least no one got shot


I just threw up a little, thanks for that.
 
2014-02-07 11:20:53 PM

Brainsick: TOSViolation: You're way too chicken-shiat to be a bouncer.

LOL

/yeah, 'cuz you know me IRL
//not that you'll believe me, but I've been a bouncer, that's why I LOL'd


BINGO club doesn't count.  I'm sure one of those little old ladies could put a major hurting on you...
 
2014-02-07 11:21:50 PM
Why does the article call him, "Theater shooting Suspect"? He admits to the shooting!!!!
 
2014-02-07 11:23:27 PM

TOSViolation: What we need is for idiot kids to have a FEAR of being assholes.  Right now, they think they're kids so there are no real consequences.  That's pretty LOLtastic to suggest talking to them.


See, this is why you're part of the problem. Young people don't have the life experience to make that call; these 'old guys', ostensibly, do. That's why it's wrong. You're like a guy looking at a flat tire and saying 'man, we need to get softer wheels!'
 
2014-02-07 11:23:53 PM

TOSViolation: Brainsick: santadog: This, and the guy who shot the kids in the SUV for playing loud music at a gas station.  I'm thinking Anger Management needs to be considered as a qualifier to get a gun permit.

Also an older man, and IIRC, the cops had to track him down and when confronted, his response was of the 'Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?' variety

Perhaps what we need is a national dialogue, along the lines of 'Don't shoot, talk'

/of course, there are legitimate circumstances for gun defense, but 'not being listened to' is not one of them

Actually, what we need is parents actually giving discipline to their kids and teaching them to respect others.  I didn't hear the story about the kids in the SUV, but presumably they won't be doing that anymore.

What we need is for idiot kids to have a FEAR of being assholes.  Right now, they think they're kids so there are no real consequences.  That's pretty LOLtastic to suggest talking to them.  Their most likely response would be to throw a soda in the guy's face.  These are the same types of assholes who think it's funny to go down the road destroying mailboxes.

Stupid little farkers need to be removed from society.  (I'm not saying how, but maybe Australia could be re-purposed again.)


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/eyewitnesses-recount-moment-mi ch ael-dunn-shot-killed-teen-loud-music-article-1.1606495
 
2014-02-07 11:24:05 PM

TOSViolation: Brainsick: santadog: This, and the guy who shot the kids in the SUV for playing loud music at a gas station.  I'm thinking Anger Management needs to be considered as a qualifier to get a gun permit.

Also an older man, and IIRC, the cops had to track him down and when confronted, his response was of the 'Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?' variety

Perhaps what we need is a national dialogue, along the lines of 'Don't shoot, talk'

/of course, there are legitimate circumstances for gun defense, but 'not being listened to' is not one of them

Actually, what we need is parents actually giving discipline to their kids and teaching them to respect others.  I didn't hear the story about the kids in the SUV, but presumably they won't be doing that anymore.

What we need is for idiot kids to have a FEAR of being assholes.  Right now, they think they're kids so there are no real consequences.  That's pretty LOLtastic to suggest talking to them.  Their most likely response would be to throw a soda in the guy's face.  These are the same types of assholes who think it's funny to go down the road destroying mailboxes.

Stupid little farkers need to be removed from society.  (I'm not saying how, but maybe Australia could be re-purposed again.)


Like in that book "Childhoods end"?
 
2014-02-07 11:28:38 PM

jayessell: Why Has no one said "early onset alsheimers"?


If Alzheimer's is used to exonerate him, it naturally leads to the question of "should we ensure that people who have CCL licenses don't have major cognitive defects?" Because if there's a class of people walking around with guns who aren't responsible for their actions, keeping those people from having weapons is a legitimate function of government. And that means more hurdles to jump through to get to carry around your gun. So I'd expect there are a lot of people who are eager for that not to be talked about.
 
2014-02-07 11:29:09 PM

Keith Dudemeister: jayessell: Why Has no one said "early onset alsheimers"?
Obviously some sort of cognitive dysfunction.
That, and a guy used to bossing people around, but who now can't.

What are you , some kind of defense lawyer?

Maybe his counsel will use a variant of the defense that murderer kid in Texas used -- because he had always been able to boss people around, he never learned to not boss people around.


They'll need a term at least as snazzy as "affluenza", though.

Badge-ulism?
Po-po-lio?
 
2014-02-07 11:29:58 PM
Another case of when two idiots collide
 
2014-02-07 11:34:10 PM
Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich:

If Alzheimer's is used to exonerate him, it naturally leads to the question of "should we ensure that people who have CCL licenses guns don't have major cognitive defects?" Because if there's a class of people walking around with guns who aren't responsible for their actions, keeping those people from having weapons is a legitimate function of government. And that means more hurdles to jump through to get to carry around your gun. So I'd expect there are a lot of people who are eager for that not to be talked about.

I don't care if they're open or stealthy about it, if they're too sick to comprehend right from wrong, or what they're doing, they're too sick to own it, period.
 
2014-02-07 11:36:44 PM
His defense team has been trying to argue that the fatal shooting of Chad Oulson was out of fear.


 Well, duh. That's why he was packing.

/gun owner, just not a cowardly one
 
2014-02-07 11:37:39 PM

quo vadimus: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich:

If Alzheimer's is used to exonerate him, it naturally leads to the question of "should we ensure that people who have CCL licenses guns don't have major cognitive defects?" Because if there's a class of people walking around with guns who aren't responsible for their actions, keeping those people from having weapons is a legitimate function of government. And that means more hurdles to jump through to get to carry around your gun. So I'd expect there are a lot of people who are eager for that not to be talked about.

I don't care if they're open or stealthy about it, if they're too sick to comprehend right from wrong, or what they're doing, they're too sick to own it, period.


That is why you learn at a young age to never piss off old people

You never know when Granny or Grandpa are carrying heat

A armed society is a polite society
 
2014-02-07 11:38:33 PM

lewismarktwo: MFAWG: jayessell: Who cares about the previews/ads before the feature?

Old people.

Went to see Monuments men today at the matinee.   Not only was the whole theater filled up 30 mins before the movie started it was entirely comprised of old farts.  Multiple old farts complaining about the lack of heat in a room that was easily 65 degrees, going to tell ushers.  My GOD did they talk during the whole movie.  Half the time they couldn't hear what was said and needed someone to repeat it, sometimes multiple times.  Sometimes they just asked what the name of the actors on screen were.

And then someone opened a can of tuna after the first act.


As an old fart that will probably see this movie in the coming week, I just want to say that I love your take on the experience!
 
2014-02-07 11:41:10 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: "should we ensure that people who have CCL licenses don't have major cognitive defects?"


That would rule out about 50% of the population. The people who want guns the most are the ones you don't want carrying them.
 
2014-02-07 11:41:51 PM

Dougie AXP: Newsflash; that message to turn off cell phones ISN'T A GOD DAMN LAW.


No, but you are a guest in a private establishment which has rules.  One would have the expectation of following those rules as well as the consequences of breaking them.

I'm certain that you would agree that if someone was speaking on their cellphone and another patron told the theatre, thereby getting the cellphone user kicked out, that it is perfectly understandable and reasonable.

So I do hope you're saying that "he didn't deserve death for using a cellphone" as opposed to "Fark you, asshole.  I'll do what I want when I want where I want and you'll shut the hell up about it".
 
2014-02-07 11:43:45 PM
Parthenogenetic:
They'll need a term at least as snazzy as "affluenza", though.

Badge-ulism?
Po-po-lio?


You Win one free internets.
 
2014-02-07 11:43:51 PM
Seems pretty obvious the shooter had ample opportunity to de-escalate but deliberately sat down to provoke a confrontation that would give him the excuse he wanted to kill the guy.

I'd argue premeditation, rather than second degree.
 
2014-02-07 11:44:47 PM
I don't know what video you guys saw, but that video I saw shows a much younger man ASSAULTING an old man.


While I agree that probably shooting someone isn't the best course of action, if you research a little something called disparity of force, and if you look at the laws as well as do some research on things like 1 punch kills, you will come up with some interesting things.


1.)  In order to legally deploy lethal force in self defense, NO INJURY is needed.
2.)  Assaulting old men can get you dead
3.) Differences in age, or sex, or strength can be justifications for employing lethal force.  Disparity of force.
4.) Old and perhaps feeble people are at very big disadvantage to young and healthy people.  A single punch could kill some seniors.  They don't have to wait until they are punched.
5.) The 3 prongs of a justifiable self defense are:  A.) Did the person have the means (weapon, training, disparity of force, etc)  Yes, we have a much younger and probably larger man against an old and perhaps feeble man with possibly health problems   B.) Did they have intent to cause great harm.  Was the guy who got shot threatening the old man.  Did he say he was going to f**k him up or anything?  Did he assault him?  Yes, he clearly assaulted the old man.    C.) Immediacy.  Was the attack going to happen immediately?  Yes, it did.  The old man was most definitely assaulted by the younger man.  Throwing the cell phone, taking the swing, and then throwing the pop corn absolutely constitute assault.


So whether you agree with the outcome or not, we can see that the younger man indeed assaulted the older man.  He was most likely much more healthy and strong.  He was immediately attacking the man.  (regardless of what you think the severity of the throwing things was, it was most definitely an attack, and the old man at that point had no idea what was going to happen after... ie, was the attack going to continue)  The old man absolutely has no obligation to become injured or even let his opponent hit him.  (he already had hit him by throwing things at him and moving towards him in a threatening and aggresive manner.... 


From a legal stand point, this case is likely to go down to the wire.  It's going to hinge on what the witnesses say transpired before the man attacked the old man.  What was the younger man saying.  How aggressive was he?   Was he cursing?   What was the old man saying?   I think the defense has a good chance of getting the old man out of this.


I'm not saying I think the guy should have been shot...  but I think there are enough factors to show that the old man was reasonably in fear that this younger guy was going to kick his ass.  That's all it takes.  You don't get to go around billy bad assing other people and throwing things in their face and intimidating them.   They don't have to wait until you have pummeled them to the ground to take defensive action.  That's just the way the law is.  Sorry.
 
2014-02-07 11:46:55 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: jayessell: Why Has no one said "early onset alsheimers"?

If Alzheimer's is used to exonerate him, it naturally leads to the question of "should we ensure that people who have CCL licenses don't have major cognitive defects?" Because if there's a class of people walking around with guns who aren't responsible for their actions, keeping those people from having weapons is a legitimate function of government. And that means more hurdles to jump through to get to carry around your gun. So I'd expect there are a lot of people who are eager for that not to be talked about.


What part of 'Shall not be infringed' do you not understand, Obamabot?

www.texasdude.com
 
2014-02-07 11:49:42 PM
"There are people in this world who go about demanding to be killed. You must have noticed them. They quarrel in gambling games. They jump out of their automobiles in a rage. They humiliate and bully people whose capabilities they do not know. These are people who wander through the world shouting, "kill me". And there's always someone ready to oblige to them."

--Don Vito Corleone
 
2014-02-07 11:49:48 PM

WhoGAS: Dougie AXP: Newsflash; that message to turn off cell phones ISN'T A GOD DAMN LAW.

No, but you are a guest in a private establishment which has rules.  One would have the expectation of following those rules as well as the consequences of breaking them.

I'm certain that you would agree that if someone was speaking on their cellphone and another patron told the theatre, thereby getting the cellphone user kicked out, that it is perfectly understandable and reasonable.

So I do hope you're saying that "he didn't deserve death for using a cellphone" as opposed to "Fark you, asshole.  I'll do what I want when I want where I want and you'll shut the hell up about it".


Yes, I'm saying the first part, didn't deserve to die.

And as I said, the old man handled it correctly. He asked the man to put it away, the man gave him a reply. The man didn't like it, took it up with management. Management felt it wasn't a strong enough violation of the private establishments rules (as you pointed out) to warrant intervention. This made the old man angry, old man then confronts the father one more time, this sets off father, old man shoots father.

Texting, in my opinion, at least during the god damn previews of which there are now an average of 15-20 minutes, isn't as much of an annoyance in a movie as talking on a phone. Talking on a phone forces everyone to LISTEN to you. Texting, especially during the previews, adds maybe a little more light to the stimulus already present in the theater.
 
2014-02-07 11:52:54 PM
Law enforcement is the ultimate alpha male occupation. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.
 
2014-02-07 11:56:48 PM

MFAWG: What part of 'Shall not be infringed' do you not understand, Obamabot?


What part of "well-regulated militia" don't you understand. The founding fathers did not envision Cletus with an M16.
 
2014-02-07 11:59:14 PM

whatshisname: MFAWG: What part of 'Shall not be infringed' do you not understand, Obamabot?

What part of "well-regulated militia" don't you understand. The founding fathers did not envision Cletus with an M16.


Yeah, just a cannon with explosive shells and the like.

Also, he was obviously being sarcastic.
 
2014-02-07 11:59:23 PM

Kelwen: Law enforcement is the ultimate alpha male occupation. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.


WARRIOR'S CODE
 
2014-02-07 11:59:59 PM

Kelwen: Law enforcement is the ultimate alpha male occupation. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.


That is one way of putting it. Another way would be: Most cops are complete idiots.
 
2014-02-08 12:00:06 AM

jayessell: Why Has no one said "early onset alsheimers"?
Obviously some sort of cognitive dysfunction.
That, and a guy used to bossing people around, but who now can't.


Because it is a slippery slope.
(btw he is past 70, that isn't really "early onset")

If dimentia comes into play in court, then that means there are grounds to "take mah guns!" - an intolerable thought among a lot of americans.  taking their license to drive is another - and, even then, they can get around the driving issue for years. try getting the D/L of a loved one yanked..try disarming a 2nd amendment centric armed american adult with declining cognition

this is another "no win" &*^%*$ing gun case in a stand-your-ground state

but, hey? "f there had been another mass shooting in a movie theatre, this former cop might have just saved the day".......i really hope to not read anything NEAR that sentiment in this thread!
 
2014-02-08 12:02:07 AM

Kelwen: Law enforcement is the ultimate alpha male occupation. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.


cdn.styleforum.net
 
2014-02-08 12:02:53 AM
Carrying a gun turns you into God.
Execute whomever displeases you, and trust that your lawyer can put a 'tard on the jury to set you free.
God bless America.
 
2014-02-08 12:03:11 AM
img.fark.net
Then, you eat the popcorn, thus disarming him!
 
2014-02-08 12:06:25 AM
There were like 100 empty seats. I'd have been pissed at anyone who sat by me in that theater.
 
2014-02-08 12:07:29 AM

debug: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we knew what happened, an psychopath old father shot a young father for  no several reasons.

Oh, there was a reason.  A couple of them, as far as I can tell.  Not good reasons, mind you, but still reasons. Since you're going for the irrelevant father angle for some type of heartstring sympathy, I edited your comments to be more accurate.


784.08Assault or battery on persons 65 years of age or older; reclassification of offenses; minimum sentence.-
(1)A person who is convicted of an aggravated assault or aggravated battery upon a person 65 years of age or older shall be sentenced to a minimum term of imprisonment of 3 years and fined not more than $10,000 and shall also be ordered by the sentencing judge to make restitution to the victim of such offense and to perform up to 500 hours of community service work. Restitution and community service work shall be in addition to any fine or sentence which may be imposed and shall not be in lieu thereof.
(2)Whenever a person is charged with committing an assault or aggravated assault or a battery or aggravated battery upon a person 65 years of age or older, regardless of whether he or she knows or has reason to know the age of the victim, the offense for which the person is charged shall be reclassified as follows:
(a)In the case of aggravated battery, from a felony of the second degree to a felony of the first degree.
(b)In the case of aggravated assault, from a felony of the third degree to a felony of the second degree.
(c)In the case of battery, from a misdemeanor of the first degree to a felony of the third degree.
(d)In the case of assault, from a misdemeanor of the second degree to a misdemeanor of the first degree.
(3)Notwithstanding the provisions of s. http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute &Search_String=&URL=0900-0999/0948/Sections/0948.01.html">948.01, adjudication of guilt or imposition of sentence shall not be suspended, deferred, or withheld.
 
2014-02-08 12:07:32 AM

MassAsster: dhead #1 attempts to slap around an old man...
dhead #2 responds with gun fire in a movie theater... what is BEHIND YOUR TARGET dumbass....


Did you watch the video? No one was behind him.

/more facepalm
 
2014-02-08 12:08:19 AM
And cops are assholes as a rule. Everyone who has encountered one knows they are typically very flawed human beings that like to put people in cages because it gets them off.
 
2014-02-08 12:09:03 AM

Kelwen: Law enforcement is the ultimate alpha male occupation. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.


Lame and late to the dance.  Thanks for playing
 
2014-02-08 12:10:16 AM
Looks like he was seated at the time of his popcorn attack.  And then was shot while seated.
 
2014-02-08 12:10:18 AM
Oh, and he is sitting in jail so he doesn't off himself.
 
2014-02-08 12:12:42 AM

Abacus9: AirForceVet: Looks like the victim tossed a popcorn bag at the old man who then shot the victim.

If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.

/This ex-cop is no Zimmerman.

The thing that cracks me up about Zimmerman is how people were so scared some angry armed psycho would gun him down in the street. Still alive and well though.


Don't forget the riots they predicted.
 
2014-02-08 12:13:02 AM

Revek: Kelwen: Law enforcement is the ultimate alpha male occupation. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.

Lame and late to the dance.  Thanks for playing


YOU THINK THIS IS A GAME!!!
 
2014-02-08 12:15:20 AM

Revek: Old man decides to commit premeditated murder by leaving to get a gun


Previous reports say he went to see the manager. He already had the gun. What was he going to do? Go out of the theater, across the parking lot, get his gun then come back? By that time the movie would probably have started.

Maybe over given his age and fast he walked.
 
2014-02-08 12:17:37 AM

Kelwen: Revek: Kelwen: Law enforcement is the ultimate alpha male occupation. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.

Lame and late to the dance.  Thanks for playing

YOU THINK THIS IS A GAME!!!

<blink damn you>Yup and you're not doing that well.</blink damn you>

 
2014-02-08 12:20:55 AM

Abacus9: 0/10 all around. Even a troll like you can't believe using a cell in a theater is worth getting killed over, unless you're a psycho like the guy from the article, in which case you should be put away. As for what you said about the media, we DO have presumption of innocence here. You're either the world's worst troll, or human garbage. Either way, fark off.


I just move. Problem solved. After I finish my polish dog, of course.

The farking theater was empty. Just move to the other side for your next fave seat.

And who sits in the lower seats anyway? I like the back rows. Better 3D.
 
2014-02-08 12:23:16 AM

Revek: Kelwen: Revek: Kelwen: Law enforcement is the ultimate alpha male occupation. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.

Lame and late to the dance.  Thanks for playing

YOU THINK THIS IS A GAME!!!

<blink damn you>Yup and you're not doing that well.</blink damn you>


Judging posts on fark is the ultimate alpha male pastime.It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.
 
2014-02-08 12:26:04 AM

sno man: Whatever, Here's the take-away:
The f*cker couldn't even get bail in THE stand your ground state.  As a former cop.


The sh*tbag's own wife won't even corroborate his story.
 
2014-02-08 12:36:37 AM

StoPPeRmobile: you're going for the irrelevant father angle for some type of heartstring sympathy, I edited your comments to be more accurate.


784.08Assault or battery on persons 65 years of age or older; reclassification of offenses; minimum sentence.-
(1)A person who is convicted of an aggravated assault or aggravated battery upon a person 65 years of age or older shall be sentenced to a minimum term of imprisonment of 3 years and fined not more than $10,000 and shall also be ordered by the sentencing judge to make restitution to the victim of such offense and to perform up to 500 hours of community service work. Restitution and community service work shall be in addition to any fine or sentence which may be imposed and shall not be in lieu thereof.
(2)Whenever a person is charged with committing an assault or aggravated assault or a battery or aggravated battery upon


Yes, assult would be one of the reasons.
 
2014-02-08 12:38:30 AM

Parthenogenetic: You're not allowed to use your phone gun in the movie theater. Period. He doesn't get an exemption because he was texting his precious snowflake used to be a cop.


FTFY
 
2014-02-08 12:38:38 AM

TOSViolation: LesserEvil: AirForceVet: Looks like the victim tossed a popcorn bag at the old man who then shot the victim.

If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.

/This ex-cop is no Zimmerman.

The old guy overreacted and took a man's life over getting pissed off and saying something about the victim using his cell phone before the movie started.

No winners here, but it probably shouldn't have cost the idiot cell phone user his life. Basically a road rage incident, translated into the theater. Two morons escalating their anger over something simple stupid small.

My take-away is the old guy saying "I'm 71 years old..." - he was basically admitting that he didn't care enough to be concerned that he was going to potentially take a life when he drew his gun.

The guy will never be a texting asshole in a theater again, so there's that.

What this society lacks is a whole lot of, "Oops!  You're right.  I farked up.  Sorry."

The asshole probably DID deserve to be shot, based on the video.  If you look closely, he lunged over the seat, grabbed the guy's popcorn, threw it at him, all while probably yelling at the guy.  The popcorn throw was probably followed by him raring back to do more, had the old guy not shot him.

We'll never know, but the entire incident could have been avoided if the asshole had just had a little bit of respect for other people around him and just apologized.  "I'm sorry.  I was just letting the babysitter know the movie was starting.  Phone is off and headed into my pocket."


I'm glad someone else sees the bigger picture here.  The younger guy could have prevented the whole thing with an apology or better yet not texting/using his cell phone in the theater.  Get the hell up and go to the lobby if you have to use your phone then someone with no tolerance for jerks doesn't shoot you.  Common courtesy is gone in this country and this is what results. That said, the police captain was just as able to defuse and instead let it escalate.  No winners, just losers - it is sad.
 
2014-02-08 12:45:01 AM

TOSViolation: Dougie AXP: TOSViolation: LesserEvil: AirForceVet: Looks like the victim tossed a popcorn bag at the old man who then shot the victim.

If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.

/This ex-cop is no Zimmerman.

The old guy overreacted and took a man's life over getting pissed off and saying something about the victim using his cell phone before the movie started.

No winners here, but it probably shouldn't have cost the idiot cell phone user his life. Basically a road rage incident, translated into the theater. Two morons escalating their anger over something simple stupid small.

My take-away is the old guy saying "I'm 71 years old..." - he was basically admitting that he didn't care enough to be concerned that he was going to potentially take a life when he drew his gun.

The guy will never be a texting asshole in a theater again, so there's that.

What this society lacks is a whole lot of, "Oops!  You're right.  I farked up.  Sorry."

The asshole probably DID deserve to be shot, based on the video.  If you look closely, he lunged over the seat, grabbed the guy's popcorn, threw it at him, all while probably yelling at the guy.  The popcorn throw was probably followed by him raring back to do more, had the old guy not shot him.

We'll never know, but the entire incident could have been avoided if the asshole had just had a little bit of respect for other people around him and just apologized.  "I'm sorry.  I was just letting the babysitter know the movie was starting.  Phone is off and headed into my pocket."

Or you know because it was the previews and not the actual movie the old man could just nutted up and ignored it.

fark you.  The previews are the BEST PART.

They come on LONG after the "turn off your farking cell phones or GTFO" message plays repeatedly.

If I owned a theater, I'm pretty sure I could charge a lot more per ticket, sell drinks and popcorn for much less ($5 for a drink and popcorn of reasonable size e.g. what you get at Target's snack bar), and have a VERY strict behavior policy.  I'd have assholes actively escorted out of the theater and banned for life if they become a repeat annoyance.  People would flock to my theater because my staff would actually CARE.


Better offer early bird dinner for all of the geriatrics 'flocking' to your ghey theatre.
 
2014-02-08 12:46:09 AM

Ivo Shandor: fusillade762: They have cameras inside movie theaters now?

Yes, to look for people who are recording the movie on a video camera or cell phone. It's not a new thing.


Good thing I just watch movies I downloaded from torrent sites. lol
 
2014-02-08 12:50:41 AM
If the victim was the one texting then the shooter should be given a medal.  If the shooter was the one texting then he should be castrated and then have his fingers pulled off one-by-one, and after that his nuts gnawed off by beavers with dull teeth, and then burned alive.
 
2014-02-08 12:52:10 AM

TV's Vinnie: Ivo Shandor: fusillade762: They have cameras inside movie theaters now?

Yes, to look for people who are recording the movie on a video camera or cell phone. It's not a new thing.

Good thing I just watch movies I downloaded from torrent sites. lol


No kidding. Just another reason to avoid movie theaters. When I'm pouring my next vodka drink 20 minutes into the flick, I don't want some dumbass security guard hassling me to share.
 
2014-02-08 01:11:40 AM

LesserEvil: No winners here, but it probably shouldn't have cost the idiot cell phone user his life. Basically a road rage incident, translated into the theater. Two morons escalating their anger over something simple stupid small.


Probably?
 
2014-02-08 01:26:58 AM

Mock26: If the victim was the one texting then the shooter should be given a medal.  If the shooter was the one texting then he should be castrated and then have his fingers pulled off one-by-one, and after that his nuts gnawed off by beavers with dull teeth, and then burned alive.


the texting was during previews, and he was texting to find out how his 2 year old was doing....
 
2014-02-08 01:33:36 AM

danielscissorhands: Kelwen: Law enforcement is the ultimate alpha male occupation. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.

That is one way of putting it. Another way would be: Most cops are complete idiots.


Is there a meme for dudes who don't know the meme being referenced?

Probably. I just don't know it.
 
2014-02-08 01:34:23 AM

Confabulat: There were like 100 empty seats. I'd have been pissed at anyone who sat by me in that theater.


Um THIS. The popular media is totally overlooking this aspect.
 
2014-02-08 01:37:38 AM
I'm echoing the what-fark-why-wasn't-he-sitting-somewhere-else brigade.

He's the kind of guy that would piss right next to you in the next urinal spot, while ignoring the others away from you. He's a bad person, that's for sure.
 
2014-02-08 01:41:33 AM

Kelwen: Revek: Kelwen: Revek: Kelwen: Law enforcement is the ultimate alpha male occupation. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.

Lame and late to the dance.  Thanks for playing

YOU THINK THIS IS A GAME!!!

<blink damn you>Yup and you're not doing that well.</blink damn you>

Judging posts on fark is the ultimate alpha male pastime.It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-08 02:02:34 AM

WhyteRaven74: Mock26: If the victim was the one texting then the shooter should be given a medal.  If the shooter was the one texting then he should be castrated and then have his fingers pulled off one-by-one, and after that his nuts gnawed off by beavers with dull teeth, and then burned alive.

the texting was during previews, and he was texting to find out how his 2 year old was doing....


Texting during previews is a grey area, but certainly does not warrant death.
Texting to find out how his 2 year old was doing is not a valid excuse.
 
2014-02-08 03:26:10 AM

Chunky Pumpkinhead: Two more assholes off the street, America wins.


This. And, when you can't legally shoot someone who throws something in your face (it was dark!) after you repeatedly reminded him to follow the rules of the movie theater, then, well, we're just not free any more.

But seriously, why the f*ck so many guns, America?
 
2014-02-08 03:30:31 AM

Parthenogenetic: DubyaHater: Can't wait until this guy is found innocent

Yes, so I can bathe in the bitter tears of all you criminal lovers/cop haters.

The punk shouldn't have messed with a retired cop.  Once a cop, always a cop.  The combat reflexes just kicked in.

You're not allowed to use your phone in the movie theater. Period. He doesn't get an exemption because he was texting his precious snowflake.

I'll bet the defense will find some stuff on that phone that proves the deceased criminal wasn't the innocent angel the lie-beral media is making him out to be.


Can't be a criminal lover and cop hater when they're one and the same.

Yeah, I said it. This cop was probably not so Snow White in his cop days either.
 
2014-02-08 03:33:41 AM

Confabulat: And cops are assholes as a rule. Everyone who has encountered one knows they are typically very flawed human beings that like to put people in cages because it gets them off.


I know a good one. Well, I think he is. He's pretty laid back, a good guy.

He tells us stories of all the messed up jerks and idiots he works with.
 
2014-02-08 04:18:29 AM

TOSViolation: Dougie AXP: TOSViolation: LesserEvil: AirForceVet: Looks like the victim tossed a popcorn bag at the old man who then shot the victim.

If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.

/This ex-cop is no Zimmerman.

The old guy overreacted and took a man's life over getting pissed off and saying something about the victim using his cell phone before the movie started.

No winners here, but it probably shouldn't have cost the idiot cell phone user his life. Basically a road rage incident, translated into the theater. Two morons escalating their anger over something simple stupid small.

My take-away is the old guy saying "I'm 71 years old..." - he was basically admitting that he didn't care enough to be concerned that he was going to potentially take a life when he drew his gun.

The guy will never be a texting asshole in a theater again, so there's that.

What this society lacks is a whole lot of, "Oops!  You're right.  I farked up.  Sorry."

The asshole probably DID deserve to be shot, based on the video.  If you look closely, he lunged over the seat, grabbed the guy's popcorn, threw it at him, all while probably yelling at the guy.  The popcorn throw was probably followed by him raring back to do more, had the old guy not shot him.

We'll never know, but the entire incident could have been avoided if the asshole had just had a little bit of respect for other people around him and just apologized.  "I'm sorry.  I was just letting the babysitter know the movie was starting.  Phone is off and headed into my pocket."

Or you know because it was the previews and not the actual movie the old man could just nutted up and ignored it.

fark you.  The previews are the BEST PART.

They come on LONG after the "turn off your farking cell phones or GTFO" message plays repeatedly.

If I owned a theater, I'm pretty sure I could charge a lot more per ticket, sell drinks and popcorn for much less ($5 for a drink and popcorn of reasonable size e.g. what you get at Target's snack bar), and have a VERY strict behavior policy.  I'd have assholes actively escorted out of the theater and banned for life if they become a repeat annoyance.  People would flock to my theater because my staff would actually CARE.


Weird. At the movie I just watched a few hours ago in a Wherenberg theater, the sequence was previews, turn off cell phone, theater ad, movie. Probably because people often arrive late to skip the previews.
 
2014-02-08 04:29:08 AM

Abacus9: AirForceVet: Looks like the victim tossed a popcorn bag at the old man who then shot the victim.

If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.

/This ex-cop is no Zimmerman.

The thing that cracks me up about Zimmerman is how people were so scared some angry armed psycho would gun him down in the street. Still alive and well though.


This guys story isn't going to be like Zimmerman's. This fool done f**ked up and shot hisself a white man.
 
2014-02-08 04:51:11 AM

fusillade762: They have cameras inside movie theaters now? Well, so much for sneaking a beej in the back row.


You can still do it, but now it'll be on the internet so we can all enjoy it.
 
2014-02-08 05:15:23 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: Chunky Pumpkinhead: Two more assholes off the street, America wins.

This. And, when you can't legally shoot someone who throws something in your face (it was dark!) after you repeatedly reminded him to follow the rules of the movie theater, then, well, we're just not free any more.

But seriously, why the f*ck so many guns, America?


I don't know where the "cowboy culture" came from, or how we get rid of it. It's the violent culture that's the problem, too - Hell, the Swiss have a Goddamn REAL assault rifle in most households, and they hardly EVER shoot each other.
For whatever reason, when a typical Swiss loses his shiat he just doesn't think to pick up a shootin' iron and vent in that fashion. It's not in his culture.
Just trying to take the guns away would make it worse - we need to get right in our minds.
And I don't know how we do that. There has to be something to be done about it - but I'm old, and stupid, and am out of ideas.
 
2014-02-08 05:21:49 AM

Parthenogenetic: DubyaHater: Can't wait until this guy is found innocent

Yes, so I can bathe in the bitter tears of all you criminal lovers/cop haters.

The punk shouldn't have messed with a retired cop.  Once a cop, always a cop.  The combat reflexes just kicked in.

You're not allowed to use your phone in the movie theater. Period. He doesn't get an exemption because he was texting his precious snowflake.

I'll bet the defense will find some stuff on that phone that proves the deceased criminal wasn't the innocent angel the lie-beral media is making him out to be.


You sound like a very rough, tough, rugged, individualistic, pickup truck-driving, injured-calf-rescuing, two-fisted, plain-dealing, straight-talking, straight-shooting kind of American super patriot.
 
2014-02-08 05:23:03 AM

That Guy...From That Show!: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we knew what happened, a psychopath shot a young father for no reason.

Yeah, it was too late to stop his genes from being passed on...if only the psychopath had gone nuts and gotten the guy earlier it would have been win-win for everyone.


Normally, art forms evolve over  time, toward complexity and sophistication.
The art of trolling, however, seems to be rapidly devolving in our time.
A pity, really - it's sad to see this weak, dicky shiat when you know how much better we could be.
 
2014-02-08 05:28:53 AM

sno man: Whatever, Here's the take-away:
The f*cker couldn't even get bail in THE stand your ground state.  As a former cop.


You can shoot all the black people you want and get the benefit of the doubt. Shoot a white guy with a pretty wife and that's your ass.
 
2014-02-08 05:35:59 AM

jso2897: That Guy...From That Show!: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we knew what happened, a psychopath shot a young father for no reason.

Yeah, it was too late to stop his genes from being passed on...if only the psychopath had gone nuts and gotten the guy earlier it would have been win-win for everyone.

Normally, art forms evolve over  time, toward complexity and sophistication.
The art of trolling, however, seems to be rapidly devolving in our time.
A pity, really - it's sad to see this weak, dicky shiat when you know how much better we could be.


Or, it could be that the world is better place with these people having taken each other out of being a problem in public anymore.

Sometimes a post is just a post.
 
2014-02-08 05:37:28 AM
I thought the kid was 2 months old.

Old man's wife almost immediately stated there was no cause for shooting anyone.

Old man has said he wishes he hadn't done it but there are no do-overs in life (sounds like the statement of a 6 year old).

There are lots of temperamental people who get real mad, but they don't hit or shoot others.  That's what cussing is for.  And yep, the young father should have apologized and put the phone away.  Of course, going in and out of the theater (which is still okay, right?  can't get shot for that yet, right?) is more annoying than fiddling with the phone during the previews.

And why people sit next to each other in an uncrowded theater, I'll never know.  Would love to know who sat down first.
 
2014-02-08 05:38:31 AM

That Guy...From That Show!: jso2897: That Guy...From That Show!: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we knew what happened, a psychopath shot a young father for no reason.

Yeah, it was too late to stop his genes from being passed on...if only the psychopath had gone nuts and gotten the guy earlier it would have been win-win for everyone.

Normally, art forms evolve over  time, toward complexity and sophistication.
The art of trolling, however, seems to be rapidly devolving in our time.
A pity, really - it's sad to see this weak, dicky shiat when you know how much better we could be.

Or, it could be that the world is better place with these people having taken each other out of being a problem in public anymore.

Sometimes a post is just a post.


Nah - you suck. Have a nice day!
And learn to f**king troll. You bore me.
 
2014-02-08 05:49:26 AM
definite overreaction on part of the ex-cop but the father saying he's texting his 3yo kid doesn't ring true
How many 3yo's have and can operate cell phones much less read

If the father hadn't been an entitled ass he wouldn't have gotten shot
 
2014-02-08 06:04:01 AM

Abacus9: LesserEvil: fusillade762: They have cameras inside movie theaters now? Well, so much for sneaking a beej in the back row.



You'd have been out of luck anyway, Paul tries to stay out of theaters in Florida these days.

Is that the actual mug shot? I've never seen it.

Alicious: then the entire country suffers from it.


cdn3.whatculture.com
 
2014-02-08 06:21:09 AM

AirForceVet: Looks like the victim tossed a popcorn bag at the old man who then shot the victim.

If defending yourself with a gun against somebody throwing popcorn is self defense, that means any little kid in movie theaters is a valid target.

/This ex-cop is no Zimmerman.


yeah, the difference is that this guy was on video and it was popcorn, not skittles. I can imagine there would not be much debate about zimmerman if his altercation was on video also.

sno man: Whatever, Here's the take-away:
The f*cker couldn't even get bail in THE stand your ground state.  As a former cop.


Yeah, he`s screwed.

Cautioning that "this is not a verdict," is what they do when the guy is so blatantly guilty that they have to show they have not tried to influence the jury by denying bail and thereby supplying a technicality for the lawyers to pounce on.


I don`t care what you used to do as a job be it pimp, whore, soldier, fireman, policeman, judge, sewer cleaner, whatever.

When you get old you should not be allowed to do stuff you can`t do anymore safely where you could hurt others for example drive trucks, fly planes, carry guns, drive trains etc.

There should be compulsory retesting for all the above activities (and others) after the age of 60.
 
2014-02-08 06:21:19 AM

Trik: definite overreaction on part of the ex-cop but the father saying he's texting his 3yo kid doesn't ring true
How many 3yo's have and can operate cell phones much less read

If the father hadn't been an entitled ass he wouldn't have gotten shot


He was texting the babysitter, telling her that he was shutting his phone off. That has already been reported. The old Nazi Cop was already biatching about shiat when he sat down behind the couple. He instigated the confrontation and apparently was not at all polite.

I would have told the old bastard to go fark himself too.

What the shooter was, was a hot-tempered lunatic looking for an excuse to commit murder.
 
2014-02-08 06:31:08 AM

dready zim: When you get old you should not be allowed to do stuff you can`t do anymore safely where you could hurt others for example drive trucks, fly planes, carry guns, drive trains etc.

There should be compulsory retesting for all the above activities (and others) after the age of 60.


Old people and women should just accept that they are weak and just submit to whoever wishes to do them harm, like children.  They should only be allowed to run away and make a phone call and nothing more.
 
2014-02-08 06:37:28 AM

BafflerMeal: fusillade762: They have cameras inside movie theaters now? Well, so much for sneaking a beej in the back row.

You were sneaking?  Everyone else knew what was going on.


Yes, because some pimply teenage guy with brown, curly hair, wearing a red, polyester vest would always emerge from the aisle to shine his flashlight on you. Never asked us to stop though.
 
2014-02-08 06:52:45 AM
The downside of being a rude asshole is eventually you run into a homicidal asshole.
 
2014-02-08 07:56:35 AM

Mock26: If the victim was the one texting then the shooter should be given a medal.  If the shooter was the one texting then he should be castrated and then have his fingers pulled off one-by-one, and after that his nuts gnawed off by beavers with dull teeth, and then burned alive.


God forbid you farking read an article and educate yourself about the situation before you comment
 
2014-02-08 08:41:30 AM
The theater looks empty. If the guy in front of you is annoying, change seats. Is that so hard?
 
2014-02-08 08:52:52 AM
"And then someone opened a can of tuna after the first act."

Ironically, that's the last known thing Abraham Lincoln said before he was shot In a theater.
 
2014-02-08 08:57:47 AM
I'm glad they had video.

This old fark needs to go down for what he did. If nothing else, he could have moved to the million other empty seats in the theater.
 
2014-02-08 09:17:03 AM
I blame years of police training. Instincts took over. You can't go around shooting people when you are out of uniform.
 
2014-02-08 09:27:28 AM
Looks to me exactly the same as Zimmerman. Man with a gun feels he has the right to act like judge, jury and executioner because he has a gun and the other person doesn't. The younger man may or may not have been inconsiderate(even an asshole), but he did not initiate this incident. The old man with the gun did. And leaving and coming back to the man no longer texting wasn't good enough to satisfy the old man with the gun. Since the article states that the old man with a gun had it in his pocket, there was no way for the younger man(asshole?) to know he should just shut up and apologize. Old man with the gun just murdered someone for being inconsiderate and possibly an asshole. If that's the bar for being allowed to kill a person, then I need to invest in mortuary stocks.
I hope the old man with the gun goes to jail for the rest of his life.

/all IMHO
//i just liked saying 'old man with the gun'
///please don't shoot me just because i'm an asshole
 
2014-02-08 09:40:57 AM

mutterfark: Looks to me exactly the same as Zimmerman. Man with a gun feels he has the right to act like judge, jury and executioner because he has a gun and the other person doesn't. The younger man may or may not have been inconsiderate(even an asshole), but he did not initiate this incident. The old man with the gun did. And leaving and coming back to the man no longer texting wasn't good enough to satisfy the old man with the gun. Since the article states that the old man with a gun had it in his pocket, there was no way for the younger man(asshole?) to know he should just shut up and apologize. Old man with the gun just murdered someone for being inconsiderate and possibly an asshole. If that's the bar for being allowed to kill a person, then I need to invest in mortuary stocks.
I hope the old man with the gun goes to jail for the rest of his life.

/all IMHO
//i just liked saying 'old man with the gun'
///please don't shoot me just because i'm an asshole


Tayvon Martin wasn't throwing skittles at Zimmerman.
 
2014-02-08 10:03:30 AM

dantheman195: A armed society is a polite society


You know who else wanted to control an entire society through the threat of violence?
 
2014-02-08 10:07:45 AM

quo vadimus: dantheman195: A armed society is a polite society

You know who else wanted to control an entire society through the threat of violence?


Well we are living in the final republic.
 
2014-02-08 10:34:10 AM

MFAWG: sno man: Whatever, Here's the take-away:
The f*cker couldn't even get bail in THE stand your ground state.  As a former cop.

Victim wasn't wearing a hoodie.


I guess that's why we haven't heard a peep out of Sharpton and Jesse about their outrage over the poor dead guys rights.
 
2014-02-08 10:34:17 AM

quo vadimus: dantheman195: A armed society is a polite society

You know who else wanted to control an entire society through the threat of violence?


Every government ever?
 
2014-02-08 10:39:13 AM

quo vadimus: dantheman195: A armed society is a polite society

You know who else wanted to control an entire society through the threat of violence?


One of the things that bothers me the most about Dan's little cliche' there is the fact that in reality, an armed society is really full of people who are walking on eggshells everywhere they go. They never speak up on real injustices, they rarely if ever confront an asshole because they know that such an individual would very likely be armed. They sure as hell can't stand up and argue with anyone about anything simply because the default behavior in such a society is oriented towards violent reactions to offence, and normal humans who just want to get through a day without being too heavily stressed about the guy in the car next to them on the freeway or the off-duty Cop in the drive-through lane at a burger joint are the ones who always end up losing.

We're actually legalizing murder in some States, and still locking people up for extended prison sentences for smoking marijuana, often in those same States.

Which is the worst offense?
 
2014-02-08 10:45:47 AM

badhatharry: mutterfark: Looks to me exactly the same as Zimmerman. Man with a gun feels he has the right to act like judge, jury and executioner because he has a gun and the other person doesn't. The younger man may or may not have been inconsiderate(even an asshole), but he did not initiate this incident. The old man with the gun did. And leaving and coming back to the man no longer texting wasn't good enough to satisfy the old man with the gun. Since the article states that the old man with a gun had it in his pocket, there was no way for the younger man(asshole?) to know he should just shut up and apologize. Old man with the gun just murdered someone for being inconsiderate and possibly an asshole. If that's the bar for being allowed to kill a person, then I need to invest in mortuary stocks.
I hope the old man with the gun goes to jail for the rest of his life.

/all IMHO
//i just liked saying 'old man with the gun'
///please don't shoot me just because i'm an asshole

Tayvon Martin wasn't throwing skittles at Zimmerman.


And the young man wasn't throwing popcorn until the incident was started by Reeves. Trayvon also did not start the incident that resulted in his death by throwing Skittles at the Z-man. My only point was that in both cases it was the men with guns who both started the problem and continued when it was clear there was no need. In both cases the un-armed "aggressor" is dead.

/if everyone carried a gun would we be more polite, or just more bloodstained?
 
2014-02-08 11:03:50 AM

ransack.: Mock26: If the victim was the one texting then the shooter should be given a medal.  If the shooter was the one texting then he should be castrated and then have his fingers pulled off one-by-one, and after that his nuts gnawed off by beavers with dull teeth, and then burned alive.

God forbid you farking read an article and educate yourself about the situation before you comment


Meh, this is Fark, where 83.5% of the people do not read the article.
 
2014-02-08 11:06:30 AM

Deathfrogg: quo vadimus: dantheman195: A armed society is a polite society

You know who else wanted to control an entire society through the threat of violence?

One of the things that bothers me the most about Dan's little cliche' there is the fact that in reality, an armed society is really full of people who are walking on eggshells everywhere they go. They never speak up on real injustices, they rarely if ever confront an asshole because they know that such an individual would very likely be armed. They sure as hell can't stand up and argue with anyone about anything simply because the default behavior in such a society is oriented towards violent reactions to offence, and normal humans who just want to get through a day without being too heavily stressed about the guy in the car next to them on the freeway or the off-duty Cop in the drive-through lane at a burger joint are the ones who always end up losing.



I was thinking about it after I posted and I suddenly realized that probably 95% of the people who say that cliche in a serious tone are also Bible-loving. You know, one of the many texts which is supposed to basically be an instruction manual from a supreme being worthy of constant devotion? The book whose word these people are supposed to follow unquestioningly. And whose main points overwhelmingly include "do unto others."

Yet there's this huge correlation between Bible thumpers and those who argue that the threat of instant death is the only way people will be nice to each other. The more left you get, the bigger (not big, but bigger) percentage of non-believers you have, and the bigger percentage of people who think that we should be capable of being nice to each other just because it's the right thing to do.

Strange how that works.
 
2014-02-08 11:18:19 AM

quo vadimus:

I was thinking about it after I posted and I suddenly realized that probably 95% of the people who say that cliche in a serious tone are also Bible-loving. You know, one of the many texts which is supposed to basically be an instruction manual from a supreme being worthy of constant devotion? The book whose word these people are supposed to follow unquestioningly. And whose main points overwhelmingly include "do unto others."

Yet there's this huge correlation between Bible thumpers and those who argue that the threat of instant death is the only way people will be nice to each other. The more left you get, the bigger (not big, but bigger) percentage of non-believers you have, and the bigger percentage of people who think that we should be capable of being nice to each other just because it's the right thing to do.

Strange how that works.


Whats stranger, is that nowhere in the Bible does it actually say that we should be nice to each other. It seems to be a collection of stories mostly about how people are very specifically not nice to each other and yet are somehow "forgiven" for their violent behaviors by merely pledging allegiance to a religion company and promising to go along with that company's rulebook.

The whole Bible is all violence and robbery and bullshiat descriptions of old family trees that seem to just be mistranslated or just made up out of some local Bedouin phonebook.

Thats why this apparently recent development of Calvinistic Fascism is so alarming. There is a very real sense amongst such folks that violence is really the only way to solve the problems. Problems that seem to develop out of a increasingly dense population of poorly-nourished and undereducated humans.
 
2014-02-08 11:24:57 AM
What movie was it?
 
2014-02-08 11:36:03 AM
This seems to be a clear case of:

farm1.staticflickr.com
 
2014-02-08 11:56:18 AM
People with guns are like radioactive atoms. One or two in a room is usually harmless. But a whole bunch of them together, one goes, everyone else gets spooked and starts poppin off, next thing you know everyone's dead and transmuted into lead.
 
2014-02-08 12:01:50 PM

ransack.: God forbid you farking read an article and educate yourself about the situation before you comment


You must be new here.
 
2014-02-08 12:06:37 PM
This was a fight between two assholes. period.
The asshole with the gun was victorious.

He will likely pay for this victory for the rest of his life.

Zimmerman was a moron and Trayvon was an overly aggressive punk teen. period.
The moron is still alive.
Everybody trying to make villains and victims out of these incidents is delusional.

I legally carry a gun. Here are MY rules....


NEVER START SH*T
NEVER ATTEMPT TO FINISH SH*T
WHEN SH*T IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN, GET THE F*CK OUT
DON'T EVER ARGUE WITH ANY STRANGER ABOUT ANYTHING FOR ANY REASON
ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY IS ALWAYS ARMED AND TREAT THEM ACCORDINGLY
NEVER EVER BE AFRAID TO "LOSE FACE" IF IT CAN PREVENT SOME SH*T FROM HAPPENING
 
2014-02-08 12:41:59 PM

craigdamage: This was a fight between two assholes. period.
The asshole with the gun was victorious.

He will likely pay for this victory for the rest of his life.

Zimmerman was a moron and Trayvon was an overly aggressive punk teen. period.
The moron is still alive.
Everybody trying to make villains and victims out of these incidents is delusional.

I legally carry a gun. Here are MY rules....


NEVER START SH*T
NEVER ATTEMPT TO FINISH SH*T
WHEN SH*T IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN, GET THE F*CK OUT
DON'T EVER ARGUE WITH ANY STRANGER ABOUT ANYTHING FOR ANY REASON
ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY IS ALWAYS ARMED AND TREAT THEM ACCORDINGLY
NEVER EVER BE AFRAID TO "LOSE FACE" IF IT CAN PREVENT SOME SH*T FROM HAPPENING


I carry six pistols, one on each ankle, one on my belt, two shoulder holsters, and one duct-taped to my back between my shoulder blades.

I try to assume everybody else is similarly armed, but sometimes I can see a person's empty ankle or belt, and I know I have them outgunned.
 
2014-02-08 01:16:29 PM

ransack.: craigdamage: This was a fight between two assholes. period.
The asshole with the gun was victorious.

He will likely pay for this victory for the rest of his life.

Zimmerman was a moron and Trayvon was an overly aggressive punk teen. period.
The moron is still alive.
Everybody trying to make villains and victims out of these incidents is delusional.

I legally carry a gun. Here are MY rules....


NEVER START SH*T
NEVER ATTEMPT TO FINISH SH*T
WHEN SH*T IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN, GET THE F*CK OUT
DON'T EVER ARGUE WITH ANY STRANGER ABOUT ANYTHING FOR ANY REASON
ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY IS ALWAYS ARMED AND TREAT THEM ACCORDINGLY
NEVER EVER BE AFRAID TO "LOSE FACE" IF IT CAN PREVENT SOME SH*T FROM HAPPENING

I carry six pistols, one on each ankle, one on my belt, two shoulder holsters, and one duct-taped to my back between my shoulder blades.

I try to assume everybody else is similarly armed, but sometimes I can see a person's empty ankle or belt, and I know I have them outgunned.


I carry the Popeil Pocket Nuke(tm)
If I go down
Everyone goes down
 
2014-02-08 02:01:29 PM

craigdamage: This was a fight between two assholes. period.
The asshole with the gun was victorious.

He will likely pay for this victory for the rest of his life.

Zimmerman was a moron and Trayvon was an overly aggressive punk teen. period.
The moron is still alive.
Everybody trying to make villains and victims out of these incidents is delusional.

I legally carry a gun. Here are MY rules....


NEVER START SH*T
NEVER ATTEMPT TO FINISH SH*T
WHEN SH*T IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN, GET THE F*CK OUT
DON'T EVER ARGUE WITH ANY STRANGER ABOUT ANYTHING FOR ANY REASON
ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY IS ALWAYS ARMED AND TREAT THEM ACCORDINGLY
NEVER EVER BE AFRAID TO "LOSE FACE" IF IT CAN PREVENT SOME SH*T FROM HAPPENING


Great advice

All the guy had to do was apologize and sit in a different location out of view of crazy old dude.

Why do people like to get into pissing wars with strangers? It is like running in the Special Olympics.......
 
2014-02-08 02:07:05 PM

badhatharry: mutterfark: Looks to me exactly the same as Zimmerman. Man with a gun feels he has the right to act like judge, jury and executioner because he has a gun and the other person doesn't. The younger man may or may not have been inconsiderate(even an asshole), but he did not initiate this incident. The old man with the gun did. And leaving and coming back to the man no longer texting wasn't good enough to satisfy the old man with the gun. Since the article states that the old man with a gun had it in his pocket, there was no way for the younger man(asshole?) to know he should just shut up and apologize. Old man with the gun just murdered someone for being inconsiderate and possibly an asshole. If that's the bar for being allowed to kill a person, then I need to invest in mortuary stocks.
I hope the old man with the gun goes to jail for the rest of his life.

/all IMHO
//i just liked saying 'old man with the gun'
///please don't shoot me just because i'm an asshole

Tayvon Martin wasn't throwing skittles at Zimmerman.


Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman throwing punches. If popcorn dude was on top of old dude throwing punches, I could see the use of force but throwing popcorn, even though rude and childish, doesn't call for a gun defense.

If popcorn dude would have just apologize and moved to a different seat, none of this would have happened either

Both are idiots, and this is the result of two idiots colliding.
 
2014-02-08 02:14:35 PM

dantheman195: badhatharry: mutterfark: Looks to me exactly the same as Zimmerman. Man with a gun feels he has the right to act like judge, jury and executioner because he has a gun and the other person doesn't. The younger man may or may not have been inconsiderate(even an asshole), but he did not initiate this incident. The old man with the gun did. And leaving and coming back to the man no longer texting wasn't good enough to satisfy the old man with the gun. Since the article states that the old man with a gun had it in his pocket, there was no way for the younger man(asshole?) to know he should just shut up and apologize. Old man with the gun just murdered someone for being inconsiderate and possibly an asshole. If that's the bar for being allowed to kill a person, then I need to invest in mortuary stocks.
I hope the old man with the gun goes to jail for the rest of his life.

/all IMHO
//i just liked saying 'old man with the gun'
///please don't shoot me just because i'm an asshole

Tayvon Martin wasn't throwing skittles at Zimmerman.

Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman throwing punches. If popcorn dude was on top of old dude throwing punches, I could see the use of force but throwing popcorn, even though rude and childish, doesn't call for a gun defense.

If popcorn dude would have just apologize and moved to a different seat, none of this would have happened either

Both are idiots, and this is the result of two idiots colliding.


Both sides are bad but one side is dead. The asshole carrying the gun is a farking murderer. The other guy was just a jerk. Is this the new America? Do I start buying casket futures?
 
2014-02-08 02:23:17 PM

mutterfark: dantheman195: badhatharry: mutterfark: Looks to me exactly the same as Zimmerman. Man with a gun feels he has the right to act like judge, jury and executioner because he has a gun and the other person doesn't. The younger man may or may not have been inconsiderate(even an asshole), but he did not initiate this incident. The old man with the gun did. And leaving and coming back to the man no longer texting wasn't good enough to satisfy the old man with the gun. Since the article states that the old man with a gun had it in his pocket, there was no way for the younger man(asshole?) to know he should just shut up and apologize. Old man with the gun just murdered someone for being inconsiderate and possibly an asshole. If that's the bar for being allowed to kill a person, then I need to invest in mortuary stocks.
I hope the old man with the gun goes to jail for the rest of his life.

/all IMHO
//i just liked saying 'old man with the gun'
///please don't shoot me just because i'm an asshole

Tayvon Martin wasn't throwing skittles at Zimmerman.

Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman throwing punches. If popcorn dude was on top of old dude throwing punches, I could see the use of force but throwing popcorn, even though rude and childish, doesn't call for a gun defense.

If popcorn dude would have just apologize and moved to a different seat, none of this would have happened either

Both are idiots, and this is the result of two idiots colliding.

Both sides are bad but one side is dead. The asshole carrying the gun is a farking murderer. The other guy was just a jerk. Is this the new America? Do I start buying casket futures?


I will say this, the state should bring this case to trial (I believe that is their intentions anyway). In my opinion, old dude is a murderer and should face a jury.
 
2014-02-08 02:46:38 PM

craigdamage: This was a fight between two assholes. period.
The asshole with the gun was victorious.

He will likely pay for this victory for the rest of his life.

Zimmerman was a moron and Trayvon was an overly aggressive punk teen. period.
The moron is still alive.
Everybody trying to make villains and victims out of these incidents is delusional.

I legally carry a gun. Here are MY rules....


NEVER START SH*T
NEVER ATTEMPT TO FINISH SH*T
WHEN SH*T IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN, GET THE F*CK OUT
DON'T EVER ARGUE WITH ANY STRANGER ABOUT ANYTHING FOR ANY REASON
ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY IS ALWAYS ARMED AND TREAT THEM ACCORDINGLY
NEVER EVER BE AFRAID TO "LOSE FACE" IF IT CAN PREVENT SOME SH*T FROM HAPPENING


Lovin your rules dude....   those are also pretty much my exact rules.   I used to be the guy that wasn't afraid to say something that everyone else in the room wanted to say... someone loudly talking on their cell in a theater...  Hey... could you guys do me a favor and take the call outside...  next thing you know idiots bein idiots and want to step up...     By making a choice to be responsible for my safety, I also make a choice that I CAN NO LONGER HAVE THESE TYPES OF ALTERCATIONS.

So I just leave.  Should I happen to somehow get into a similar situation that was unavoidable...  my gun gives me carte blanche to LEAVE.  I don't care to get into a pissing match where someone might end up dead...   because I"m getting too old to fight, and certainly too young to die... so if someone starts assaulting me, I"m GOING to defend myself, and I'm GOING to be the victor.  If you're fighting a fair fight, you fight wrong.  I fight to win. Period.

So...  as I said, I can no longer afford to have issues and arguements with people.  Should something happen, I apologize and leave.  I don't have to puff my chest...  I don't have to man up.  THEY may not know it, but -I- know someone could end up DEAD... and I don't want that...  SO, I LEAVE.

If they want to prevent my departure or assault me, then I will be forced to equal or trump any force they are employing.  I will not fight someone.  If someone wants to assault me, I am assuming they intend to harm me, and I know I have not assaulted them or given them any reason to assault me, therefore I have no reason to think their actions are reasonable.  I will take the necessary steps to defend myself and my loved ones.


People have no right to go around assaulting people.   This man got himself shot because he assaulted another man.


YOU ALL CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS NO MATTER WHO STARTED THE ARGUMENT OR WHAT WAS SAID, THE YOUNGER MAN -ASSAULTED- THE OLDER MAN, AND THROWING PHONES AND POPCORN AT HIM IS INDEED ASSAULT WHETHER YOU WANT IT TO BE OR NOT.  Assaulting someone because they asked you to be polite is not reasonable.  Why would it be reasonable to assume that the assault was going to stop after the popcorn incident?   What you people fail to recognize is this:

ONE DOES NOT NEED TO BE INJURED OR EVEN BE HIT TO LEGALLY EMPLOY DEADLY FORCE....  especially in the case of disparity of force like this... young and strong vs old and feeble.  The old man does not have to wait until the young man hits him in order to defend himself.  The 1st hit could literally knock him out or kill him... then what?   One does NOT have to be hit or injured to employ deadly force in defense of themselves.


Was it the best move?  The right thing to do?  Perhaps not...    in fact, most likely not... but the fact remains that YOU DO NOT GET TO GO AROUND ASSAULTING PEOPLE, and if you do, and if you put fear into them and they defend themselves, that is legal.


It's up to the jury to decide, based on witness testimony of what was actually said to determine if his self defense was reasonable or not...  but I think you are going to be surprised to find out that a senior citizen is reasonable to fear great bodily harm after they are assaulted by someone much younger and stronger and in which case he may legally defend himself using deadly force.   You might not like it, but that is the way the law is.  The younger man had the means (his strength), he had the intent (he clearly assaulted him) and it was immediately going to happen...
 
2014-02-08 02:57:31 PM

Blame Hofmann: What movie was it?


That Wahlberg soldier movie.
 
2014-02-08 03:10:50 PM

Mr.BobDobalita: YOU ALL CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS NO MATTER WHO STARTED THE ARGUMENT OR WHAT WAS SAID, THE YOUNGER MAN -ASSAULTED- THE OLDER MAN, AND THROWING PHONES AND POPCORN AT HIM IS INDEED ASSAULT WHETHER YOU WANT IT TO BE OR NOT. Assaulting someone because they asked you to be polite is not reasonable. Why would it be reasonable to assume that the assault was going to stop after the popcorn incident?

What you people fail to recognize is this:ONE DOES NOT NEED TO BE INJURED OR EVEN BE HIT TO LEGALLY EMPLOY DEADLY FORCE.... especially in the case of disparity of force like this... young and strong vs old and feeble. The old man does not have to wait until the young man hits him in order to defend himself. The 1st hit could literally knock him out or kill him... then what? One does NOT have to be hit or injured to employ deadly force in defense of themselves.


You make a great point

I believe old dude did take it a step too far, but on the other hand, popcorn dude also took it a step too far as well.
 
2014-02-08 04:37:46 PM

dantheman195: A armed society is a polite society


Forget these haters for they know not what they're talking. about.

An armed society allows people to hold doors, wave from a distance, pantomime life saving gestures such as stop, no, hurriedly come to me, show excitement at events, and so forth.

Someone without arms could never do that so, yeah, an armed society IS a polite society.
 
2014-02-08 08:10:37 PM

dantheman195: Mr.BobDobalita: YOU ALL CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS NO MATTER WHO STARTED THE ARGUMENT OR WHAT WAS SAID, THE YOUNGER MAN -ASSAULTED- THE OLDER MAN, AND THROWING PHONES AND POPCORN AT HIM IS INDEED ASSAULT WHETHER YOU WANT IT TO BE OR NOT. Assaulting someone because they asked you to be polite is not reasonable. Why would it be reasonable to assume that the assault was going to stop after the popcorn incident?

What you people fail to recognize is this:ONE DOES NOT NEED TO BE INJURED OR EVEN BE HIT TO LEGALLY EMPLOY DEADLY FORCE.... especially in the case of disparity of force like this... young and strong vs old and feeble. The old man does not have to wait until the young man hits him in order to defend himself. The 1st hit could literally knock him out or kill him... then what? One does NOT have to be hit or injured to employ deadly force in defense of themselves.

You make a great point

I believe old dude did take it a step too far, but on the other hand, popcorn dude also took it a step too far as well.


Yes because the very next step from getting a sprinkle of popcorn is to fire your gun.  If you, Bob, and Craig are any indication, America is f*cked. Period.
There is no part of a civilized society where guns should be for anything more that for sport or hunting.  Period. A civilized society does not need guns for protection, concealed carry laws, or FFS stand your ground.  You (collective American) have a hard on for your guns... It is the single largest things wrong with your otherwise pretty good country.
 
2014-02-08 08:40:44 PM

Cerebral Ballsy: But seriously, why the f*ck so many guns, America?


Even if America didn't have a gun culture, a former cop would have different access compared to the general population anyway.
 
2014-02-08 10:44:49 PM

ransack.: Mock26: If the victim was the one texting then the shooter should be given a medal.  If the shooter was the one texting then he should be castrated and then have his fingers pulled off one-by-one, and after that his nuts gnawed off by beavers with dull teeth, and then burned alive.

God forbid you farking read an article and educate yourself about the situation before you comment


I'm guessing Mock was arrested for texting while driving, or given a ticket, or is just bad at trolling.
 
2014-02-08 10:48:06 PM

ransack.: Abacus9: LesserEvil: fusillade762: They have cameras inside movie theaters now? Well, so much for sneaking a beej in the back row.



You'd have been out of luck anyway, Paul tries to stay out of theaters in Florida these days.

Is that the actual mug shot? I've never seen it.

Alicious: then the entire country suffers from it.


Ah, thanks. I never realized how much I resemble Paul Reubens. I have no idea what to do with that.
 
2014-02-08 11:09:51 PM

Deathfrogg: quo vadimus:

I was thinking about it after I posted and I suddenly realized that probably 95% of the people who say that cliche in a serious tone are also Bible-loving. You know, one of the many texts which is supposed to basically be an instruction manual from a supreme being worthy of constant devotion? The book whose word these people are supposed to follow unquestioningly. And whose main points overwhelmingly include "do unto others."

Yet there's this huge correlation between Bible thumpers and those who argue that the threat of instant death is the only way people will be nice to each other. The more left you get, the bigger (not big, but bigger) percentage of non-believers you have, and the bigger percentage of people who think that we should be capable of being nice to each other just because it's the right thing to do.

Strange how that works.

Whats stranger, is that nowhere in the Bible does it actually say that we should be nice to each other. It seems to be a collection of stories mostly about how people are very specifically not nice to each other and yet are somehow "forgiven" for their violent behaviors by merely pledging allegiance to a religion company and promising to go along with that company's rulebook.

The whole Bible is all violence and robbery and bullshiat descriptions of old family trees that seem to just be mistranslated or just made up out of some local Bedouin phonebook.

Thats why this apparently recent development of Calvinistic Fascism is so alarming. There is a very real sense amongst such folks that violence is really the only way to solve the problems. Problems that seem to develop out of a increasingly dense population of poorly-nourished and undereducated humans.


Interesting take, and I'd say you're right if you're only talking old testament. But new testament is all about forgiveness and compassion, which means being nice to each other. It doesn't mean someone doesn't still have to pay a debt to society if they break the law.

America trends toward fundamentalism. Most of them have probably never even heard of John Calvin. It seems to me the Evangelical theology is closer to Wesleyan/Arminian, but they probably don't know what that means either.

/Lutheran, but not overly so.
 
2014-02-08 11:54:56 PM

sno man: dantheman195: Mr.BobDobalita: YOU ALL CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS NO MATTER WHO STARTED THE ARGUMENT OR WHAT WAS SAID, THE YOUNGER MAN -ASSAULTED- THE OLDER MAN, AND THROWING PHONES AND POPCORN AT HIM IS INDEED ASSAULT WHETHER YOU WANT IT TO BE OR NOT. Assaulting someone because they asked you to be polite is not reasonable. Why would it be reasonable to assume that the assault was going to stop after the popcorn incident?

What you people fail to recognize is this:ONE DOES NOT NEED TO BE INJURED OR EVEN BE HIT TO LEGALLY EMPLOY DEADLY FORCE.... especially in the case of disparity of force like this... young and strong vs old and feeble. The old man does not have to wait until the young man hits him in order to defend himself. The 1st hit could literally knock him out or kill him... then what? One does NOT have to be hit or injured to employ deadly force in defense of themselves.

You make a great point

I believe old dude did take it a step too far, but on the other hand, popcorn dude also took it a step too far as well.

Yes because the very next step from getting a sprinkle of popcorn is to fire your gun.  If you, Bob, and Craig are any indication, America is f*cked. Period.
There is no part of a civilized society where guns should be for anything more that for sport or hunting.  Period. A civilized society does not need guns for protection, concealed carry laws, or FFS stand your ground.  You (collective American) have a hard on for your guns... It is the single largest things wrong with your otherwise pretty good country.


Look, as other people have said this is the tail of 2 idiots and is no doubt a tragedy...


I'm not even necessarily saying the shooter made the right move, because I don't believe he did.    As other's said he could have switched seats... or guess what, not said a damn thing to begin with....   As I stated when talking about Craig's comments, I would have never said anything to start with.  I avoid confrontations and conflict.


But AS FOR WHAT THE LAW STATES... I"m just saying, the old man was most definitely assaulted.   There was most definitely a "disparity of force".  The old man told police he "maybe would have tusselled with the younger man 20 years ago, but he was scared s**tless and he thought the other guy was going to beat the s**t out of him".  The younger man assaulted a senior citizen.  The senior was rightfully in fear for what may happen next.  He defended himself.   The jury may or may not find him reasonable in that fear, but it is what it is.  And that is the law.  YOu can legally defend yourself, using deadly force, if you have a reasonable fear that someone is about to cause you great bodily harm or death.   The younger man had the means (a weapon or disparity of force) he had the intent (he threatened or was already assaulting him) and it was and immediate threat...    


You can dislike it all you want, but it is the law in the vast majority of states.  Period.  If you want to stick up for the guy assaulting random people, that shows the content of your character.  It doesn't really matter WHAT was said by the old man...  words don't give you the license to assault people.  PERIOD.  The younger man stepped over the line and took things physical.  The old man was in fear, and he took steps to defend himself.


I"m not saying I agree with it... but from the standpoint of the law, I won't be surprised if he gets off.


As far as people carrying guns... thanks for your opinion.  Here's my outlook.   I was assaulted by 4 men with tire irons.   I spent some time in the hospital after the kicked the living s**t out of me.  I now have small children.  I'm A.) not going to have them stand by and watch their dad get beaten and B.) I'm not going to stand by and watch bad things happen to them.   I refuse to be a victim again.  Maybe you've never had anything bad happen to you to make you realize how vulnerable you are, but I have, so I"ve taken steps to increase my awareness, increase my skills, increase my strengths, increase my intelligence in getting out of bad situations, and if none of that works, increase my chances of winning any fights that people bring to me.  As I stated, I don't fight, and if someone wants to fight me anyway, I sure as hell don't fight fair.  If you're fighting a fair fight, you've made a terrible mistake because I'll kick, eyegouge, bite, stab, shoot, or anything else i have to do to survive.  So don't judge me.  You don't know who I am or what I"ve lived through.  It's my right to defend my precious gift of life any way I see fit.  If you don't like the choices I"ve made, guess what.. it's a free country... and you're free to piss up a rope if you don't like that I carry a gun and I have plenty of good and legitimate reasons to.
 
2014-02-09 12:11:01 AM

Mr.BobDobalita: As far as people carrying guns... thanks for your opinion. Here's my outlook. I was assaulted by 4 men with tire irons. I spent some time in the hospital after the kicked the living s**t out of me. I now have small children. I'm A.) not going to have them stand by and watch their dad get beaten and B.) I'm not going to stand by and watch bad things happen to them. I refuse to be a victim again. Maybe you've never had anything bad happen to you to make you realize how vulnerable you are, but I have, so I"ve taken steps to increase my awareness, increase my skills, increase my strengths, increase my intelligence in getting out of bad situations, and if none of that works, increase my chances of winning any fights that people bring to me. As I stated, I don't fight, and if someone wants to fight me anyway, I sure as hell don't fight fair. If you're fighting a fair fight, you've made a terrible mistake because I'll kick, eyegouge, bite, stab, shoot, or anything else i have to do to survive. So don't judge me. You don't know who I am or what I"ve lived through. It's my right to defend my precious gift of life any way I see fit. If you don't like the choices I"ve made, guess what.. it's a free country... and you're free to piss up a rope if you don't like that I carry a gun and I have plenty of good and legitimate reasons to.


I think you are missing my bigger point, I said a civilized society does not need guns for anything more that sport or hunting.  That you feel you need a gun for protection means... I don't find your version of civilization all that civilized.
And I'm sorry for you, and especially your kids, feeling like you have to live like that.
 
2014-02-09 02:58:02 AM

Abacus9: ransack.: Mock26: If the victim was the one texting then the shooter should be given a medal.  If the shooter was the one texting then he should be castrated and then have his fingers pulled off one-by-one, and after that his nuts gnawed off by beavers with dull teeth, and then burned alive.

God forbid you farking read an article and educate yourself about the situation before you comment

I'm guessing Mock was arrested for texting while driving, or given a ticket, or is just bad at trolling.


1.  That is Mock26 to you, Good Sir.
2.  I just really hate people who use their phones during the movie.
 
2014-02-09 03:12:06 AM

Mock26: Abacus9: ransack.: Mock26: If the victim was the one texting then the shooter should be given a medal.  If the shooter was the one texting then he should be castrated and then have his fingers pulled off one-by-one, and after that his nuts gnawed off by beavers with dull teeth, and then burned alive.

God forbid you farking read an article and educate yourself about the situation before you comment

I'm guessing Mock was arrested for texting while driving, or given a ticket, or is just bad at trolling.

1.  That is Mock26 to you, Good Sir.
2.  I just really hate people who use their phones during the movie.


My apologies, Mock26. I admit I've been dickish lately. I understand about phones during a movie. I don't mind texting, though.
 
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