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(Talking Points Memo)   First they came for the wealthy, and I did not speak out because I was not wealthy...come to think of it, I actually lost the little bit of wealth I had to those rich guys. So they basically saved me. Thank you, oppressed billionaires   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 209
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2014-02-07 06:10:50 PM  
Heads will roll.
 
2014-02-07 06:17:41 PM  
the one percent simply "work harder" than everyone else.

That may be generally true...but they don't work many thousands X harder than everyone else, you farksticks.

And it all depends on what you mean by "hard work."  One day in the fields with farm workers would probably kill you shiatheads.
 
2014-02-07 06:20:36 PM  
www.holyturf.com
 
2014-02-07 06:21:23 PM  
Aww, poor babies

cry me a farking river with your "oh woe is me" crap
 
2014-02-07 06:22:02 PM  
In all seriousness, I highly recommend reading Twilight of the Elites, a great book by Chris Hayes (which I read before I'd ever heard of him or seen him on TV). It's all about how our elite structures have convinced themselves of their own worthiness, and have (for now) gotten people to buy in, but why that's now starting to break down.
 
2014-02-07 06:26:52 PM  

DamnYankees: In all seriousness, I highly recommend reading Twilight of the Elites, a great book by Chris Hayes (which I read before I'd ever heard of him or seen him on TV). It's all about how our elite structures have convinced themselves of their own worthiness, and have (for now) gotten people to buy in, but why that's now starting to break down.


in the same vein, I suggest "The Psychopath Test" to understand the mindset of these people. Also it's pretty funny and depressing take on the psychology industry.

/by the same dude who wrote Men Who Stare At Goats
//he's a pretty great writer
 
2014-02-07 06:28:22 PM  

somedude210: DamnYankees: In all seriousness, I highly recommend reading Twilight of the Elites, a great book by Chris Hayes (which I read before I'd ever heard of him or seen him on TV). It's all about how our elite structures have convinced themselves of their own worthiness, and have (for now) gotten people to buy in, but why that's now starting to break down.

in the same vein, I suggest "The Psychopath Test" to understand the mindset of these people. Also it's pretty funny and depressing take on the psychology industry.

/by the same dude who wrote Men Who Stare At Goats
//he's a pretty great writer


I read that - couldn't get into it. The idea of a 47-point test (or whatever it was) struck me as bullshiat and was never really substantiated.
 
2014-02-07 06:33:23 PM  

DamnYankees: somedude210: DamnYankees: In all seriousness, I highly recommend reading Twilight of the Elites, a great book by Chris Hayes (which I read before I'd ever heard of him or seen him on TV). It's all about how our elite structures have convinced themselves of their own worthiness, and have (for now) gotten people to buy in, but why that's now starting to break down.

in the same vein, I suggest "The Psychopath Test" to understand the mindset of these people. Also it's pretty funny and depressing take on the psychology industry.

/by the same dude who wrote Men Who Stare At Goats
//he's a pretty great writer

I read that - couldn't get into it. The idea of a 47-point test (or whatever it was) struck me as bullshiat and was never really substantiated.


Really? He goes into quite a bit throughout the entire book
 
2014-02-07 06:35:32 PM  

somedude210: Really? He goes into quite a bit throughout the entire book


Yeah he talked about it a lot, but very informally and always with the attitude "could this list work? am I a psychopath? let me go test this on a crazy rich dude!" Just didn't work for me is all. I don't deny he's a good writer, but for me the book lacked a narrative thrust or thematic cohesion.
 
2014-02-07 06:37:41 PM  
So once the hyper-rich suck the rest of us dry how long do they think they can survive just selling stuff to each other?


somedude210: DamnYankees: In all seriousness, I highly recommend reading Twilight of the Elites, a great book by Chris Hayes (which I read before I'd ever heard of him or seen him on TV). It's all about how our elite structures have convinced themselves of their own worthiness, and have (for now) gotten people to buy in, but why that's now starting to break down.

in the same vein, I suggest "The Psychopath Test" to understand the mindset of these people. Also it's pretty funny and depressing take on the psychology industry.

/by the same dude who wrote Men Who Stare At Goats
//he's a pretty great writer


Loves me some Jon Ronson.  His piece about sneaking into Bohemian Grove with Alex Jones is GOLD.
 
2014-02-07 06:46:15 PM  
These people have forgotten what wealth is for.  It's only useful for you to use to enjoy more of the world on your own terms.

If you have to be shuttled from rich person haven to rich person haven in a bulletproof unmarked van with round the clock guards, congratulations.  You've worked really hard your entire life to get into a prison with slightly better food.
 
2014-02-07 06:53:36 PM  
www.zerohedge.com
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2014-02-07 06:53:59 PM  

fusillade762: So once the hyper-rich suck the rest of us dry how long do they think they can survive just selling stuff to each other?


Some of them are already realizing it.
 
2014-02-07 06:54:44 PM  
static6.businessinsider.com
 
2014-02-07 06:54:59 PM  
wow, i've never before encountered a group of people who so desperately need to kill themselves
 
2014-02-07 06:55:51 PM  
lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-02-07 06:55:52 PM  
Man, what I wouldn't give for one of these:
storeonanimeonline.com
 
2014-02-07 06:58:03 PM  

StopLurkListen: [lh4.googleusercontent.com image 850x515]


That is a truly, truly terrible piece of graphic design.
 
2014-02-07 06:58:15 PM  
Don't you just love how these assholes have been feasting off of the corpse of the former middle class for years, but yet constantly find the time to piss and moan about "oh woe is me, the plebs just don't understand why I had to suck away all their money and create a hereditary aristocractic dynasty for my heirs".

fark you and the solid gold palanquin you have your oiled up slaves carry you in on.
 
2014-02-07 07:01:25 PM  
img.fark.net
Me, I saw this and laughed my ass off. What do you think the charges would be?
 
2014-02-07 07:02:10 PM  

Jackson Herring: wow, i've never before encountered a group of people who so desperately need to kill themselves


Farkers or the Wealthy?
 
2014-02-07 07:08:31 PM  
First they came for the wealthy, and I did not speak out because I was not wealthy...come to think of it, I actually lost the little bit of wealth I had to those rich guys. So they basically saved me. Thank you, oppressed billionaires they weren't coming for the wealthy

There, fixed that for you, subby.
 
2014-02-07 07:09:53 PM  
Some days Jon Stewart has the easiest job in the world.
 
2014-02-07 07:12:47 PM  

Mjeck: Jackson Herring: wow, i've never before encountered a group of people who so desperately need to kill themselves

Farkers or the Wealthy?


Yes.
 
2014-02-07 07:15:33 PM  

fusillade762: Loves me some Jon Ronson. His piece about sneaking into Bohemian Grove with Alex Jones is GOLD.


I watched something about that Brad Meltzer's DeCoded.
That was the first time I ever saw or heard of Alex Jones... that was enough to know they guy is a total loon.
 
2014-02-07 07:18:13 PM  
Time to sharpen up the old pitchfork, get the torches ready and dust off the gallows.
 
2014-02-07 07:19:29 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: the one percent simply "work harder" than everyone else.

That may be generally true...but they don't work many thousands X harder than everyone else, you farksticks.

And it all depends on what you mean by "hard work."  One day in the fields with farm workers would probably kill you shiatheads.


That is the single argument of the rich that pisses me off the most.  If some rich asshole tells me he's rich simply because he "works harder" than the poor, it would take a not-insignificant amount of effort to not throat punch him on the spot.  It does (usually) take hard work to become rich, but it takes an equal measure of opportunity (plus the random factor of luck), and opportunity is not something everyone has.  That's kind of the point.

Besides, I've heard it said before that if all it took to be wealthy was hard work, then unwed single mothers would among the world's richest.  I don't doubt it.
 
2014-02-07 07:22:00 PM  
A few thoughts:

It may be true that 'Anybody' could succeed at that level.  It is not at all true that 'everybody' can succeed at that level.  To quote a cracked article, you can put 12 alchoholic hobos in a room with a bottle of whiskey, and give each of them a knife.  Any one of them could have that bottle, but in the end, only one will have it.

Being successful at the level of someone who earns their way into the 1% (Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc) does require an extraordinary amount of hard work, vision, and drive.  However, it also requires a non trivial amount of luck.  It is also very possible to do all the hard work, have a relentless drive to succeed, and a great vision for what you want to accomplish, and still fail spectacularly.

It is ok to be rich and have great wealth, but at our current state of civilization, there is a limited amount of wealth / resources to go around.  The only reason that the 1%stay wealthy is because the 99% are not sufficiently desperate yet to kill the 1% and take their shiat.  If 99 people are hungry and 1 guy has all the food, the 99 people with no food are not going to quietly starve and let that 1 guy keep all the damn food.

END COMMUNICATION
 
2014-02-07 07:22:06 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: the one percent simply "work harder" than everyone else.

That may be generally true...but they don't work many thousands X harder than everyone else, you farksticks.

And it all depends on what you mean by "hard work."  One day in the fields with farm workers would probably kill you shiatheads.


Aside from doctors, many of whom work their asses off, rich people generally don't work any harder than anybody else.
 
2014-02-07 07:22:40 PM  

WraithSama: Lionel Mandrake: the one percent simply "work harder" than everyone else.

That may be generally true...but they don't work many thousands X harder than everyone else, you farksticks.

And it all depends on what you mean by "hard work."  One day in the fields with farm workers would probably kill you shiatheads.

That is the single argument of the rich that pisses me off the most.  If some rich asshole tells me he's rich simply because he "works harder" than the poor, it would take a not-insignificant amount of effort to not throat punch him on the spot.  It does (usually) take hard work to become rich, but it takes an equal measure of opportunity (plus the random factor of luck), and opportunity is not something everyone has.  That's kind of the point.

Besides, I've heard it said before that if all it took to be wealthy was hard work, then unwed single mothers would among the world's richest.  I don't doubt it.


NO, you see, rich people work 2000x times harder than even unwed mothers, and that's why CEO's make 2000x the amount you do.

Doesn't that sound reasonable, kemosabe?
 
2014-02-07 07:28:06 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: the one percent simply "work harder" than everyone else.

That may be generally true...but they don't work many thousands X harder than everyone else, you farksticks.

And it all depends on what you mean by "hard work."  One day in the fields with farm workers would probably kill you shiatheads.


In some alternate quantum universe. No f*cking way ever is it true in real life. The primary criteria of success are all either met or failed before most people are even old enough to develop a theory of mind.
 
2014-02-07 07:28:50 PM  

WraithSama: That is the single argument of the rich that pisses me off the most.  If some rich asshole tells me he's rich simply because he "works harder" than the poor, it would take a not-insignificant amount of effort to not throat punch him on the spot.  It does (usually) take hard work to become rich, but it takes an equal measure of opportunity (plus the random factor of luck), and opportunity is not something everyone has.  That's kind of the point.

Besides, I've heard it said before that if all it took to be wealthy was hard work, then unwed single mothers would among the world's richest.  I don't doubt it.


I do actuall think there's a corrolation between salary and hard work to some extent. For example, doctors, lawyers, bankers, etc. all work extremely long hours, and even when they aren't working they are always on call. There's no such thing as clocking out - your life is about being available 100% of the time. That is actually very hard work.

The problem is in thinking that that form of hard work somehow justifies all inequality. I'm a corporate lawyer, and I work pretty hard. Does that hard work justify my current salary? Maybe, maybe not. How about if we doubled the salary? Tripled it? Still worth it?

That's the issue. There's no appreciation that hard work does not mean "complete right to infinite wealth". So deploying hard work as some sort of panacaea is complete bullshiat.
 
2014-02-07 07:33:30 PM  
How the 1% sees themselves:

static4.businessinsider.com

How everyone else sees them:

blogs.suntimes.com
 
2014-02-07 07:36:31 PM  

ongbok: Time to sharpen up the gold pitchfork


Please, let's show a little respect for our betters.
 
2014-02-07 07:37:20 PM  

StopLurkListen: [www.zerohedge.com image 600x432]
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I've just been asked to leave the library. Jesus tapf*ckdancing Christ on a pogof*ckstick.
 
2014-02-07 07:38:05 PM  
Got another one:

How the 1% sees themselves:

fourthdayuniverse.com

How everyone else sees them:

static3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-02-07 07:38:12 PM  
Either set them up as God or tax them. Most things are shades of gray but somethings aren't.
 
2014-02-07 07:38:21 PM  

Jackson Herring: wow, i've never before encountered a group of people who so desperately need to kill themselves


Oh, fark off. You've seen the liberals.  They need to die first.
 
2014-02-07 07:42:16 PM  
"They are frightened to death - frightened that they will have the IRS or SEC on them," Marcus said.  "In my 50 years in business, I have never seen executives of major companies who were more intimidated by an administration."

What a bunch of pussies
 
2014-02-07 07:42:31 PM  

ongbok: Time to sharpen up the old pitchfork, get the torches ready and dust off the gallows.


I can't decide who's nuttier, the pitchfork-guillotine crowd or the AR-.223 Water the Tree of Liberty guys.

How about a cage match?
 
2014-02-07 07:42:40 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-07 07:45:09 PM  
When Jeff Immelt pays the same effective tax rate I do I will start to believe that Obama and his misguided supporters are for the poor and middle class.  Until then I laugh at anyone who blames the GOP alone.
 
2014-02-07 07:48:59 PM  
Real estate investor Sam Zell echoed his fellow one percenter's lament earlier this week.

"The one percent are getting pummeled because it's politically convenient to do so," Zell said, adding that the one percent simply "work harder" than everyone else.

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To be fair, he did work hard at trying to run the Chicago Tribune into the ground.
 
2014-02-07 07:49:43 PM  

Lord Zardoz:  is ok to be rich and have great wealth, but at our current state of civilization, there is a limited amount of wealth / resources to go around.  The only reason that the 1%stay wealthy is because the 99% are not sufficiently desperate yet to kill the 1% and take their shiat.  If 99 people are hungry and 1 guy has all the food, the 99 people with no food are not going to quietly starve and let that 1 guy keep all the damn food.


You're not paying attention. They share enough of it with the strongest next 10%, who share enough of that with the next 20%, leaving the bottom percentiles too weak to do anything about it.
 
2014-02-07 07:50:01 PM  

DamnYankees: WraithSama: That is the single argument of the rich that pisses me off the most.  If some rich asshole tells me he's rich simply because he "works harder" than the poor, it would take a not-insignificant amount of effort to not throat punch him on the spot.  It does (usually) take hard work to become rich, but it takes an equal measure of opportunity (plus the random factor of luck), and opportunity is not something everyone has.  That's kind of the point.

Besides, I've heard it said before that if all it took to be wealthy was hard work, then unwed single mothers would among the world's richest.  I don't doubt it.

I do actuall think there's a corrolation between salary and hard work to some extent. For example, doctors, lawyers, bankers, etc. all work extremely long hours, and even when they aren't working they are always on call. There's no such thing as clocking out - your life is about being available 100% of the time. That is actually very hard work.

The problem is in thinking that that form of hard work somehow justifies all inequality. I'm a corporate lawyer, and I work pretty hard. Does that hard work justify my current salary? Maybe, maybe not. How about if we doubled the salary? Tripled it? Still worth it?

That's the issue. There's no appreciation that hard work does not mean "complete right to infinite wealth". So deploying hard work as some sort of panacaea is complete bullshiat.


I know ALOT of lawyers.

What is your salary and hours?
 
2014-02-07 07:50:32 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: First they came for the wealthy, and I did not speak out because I was not wealthy...come to think of it, I actually lost the little bit of wealth I had to those rich guys. So they basically saved me. Thank you, oppressed billionaires they weren't coming for the wealthy

There, fixed that for you, subby.


What needs fixing is your sense of humor.
 
2014-02-07 07:52:09 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

I love paranoid rich white people.
 
2014-02-07 07:55:02 PM  

SnakeLee: "They are frightened to death - frightened that they will have the IRS or SEC on them," Marcus said.  "In my 50 years in business, I have never seen executives of major companies who were more intimidated by an administration."

What a bunch of pussies


Just because nobody called them on their culture of unimaginable greed or filed charges for recklessly abusing the system until recently doesn't mean it wasn't always wrong. And I agree with you: what a bunch of vaginas.
 
2014-02-07 07:56:35 PM  

DamnYankees: Heads will roll.


And how do you expect this to happen without the factories to make the guillotines?  The workers to sharpen the blades?  The children to take the heads away?  EVEN WHEN YOU WANT TO KILL ME, YOU NEED ME.  AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
 
2014-02-07 07:56:42 PM  
The 1% do not work harder. In my almost 25 years in business the percentage of CEOs who actually work to begin with is maybe 30%, and those that actually work hard around 10%. I've seen more CEOs that have hurt their company with their idiocy than helped it. I'm in a C level position now, and I do not work nearly as hard as I did early in my career. Do I stress more because I have huge responsibilities? Yes, absolutely. Do I work harder? Hardly. The hardest I've ever worked was when I was a mid level employee who had to pick up the slack for my utterly incompetent manager.
 
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