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(Ars Technica)   Today on "Unwarranted big-government intrusion" or "Pointless Federal Boondoggle" we have a twofer. NSA's bulk metadata collection program doesn't cover most cellphones   (arstechnica.com) divider line 37
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2014-02-07 04:09:15 PM
I prefer to call it a thingamajig messing up the watchimicallits.
 
2014-02-07 04:10:13 PM
FTFA:
According to a new report by The Wall Street Journal which cites anonymous sources, the NSA's telephony metadata program only "collects data for about 20 percent or less of that data, primarily because it doesn't cover records for most cellphones."

The standard of proof is higher than that.  Show us leaked NSA documents that show that the program only covers 20%, and I'll believe it.
 
2014-02-07 04:15:29 PM

dittybopper: FTFA:
According to a new report by The Wall Street Journal which cites anonymous sources, the NSA's telephony metadata program only "collects data for about 20 percent or less of that data, primarily because it doesn't cover records for most cellphones."

The standard of proof is higher than that.  Show us leaked NSA documents that show that the program only covers 20%, and I'll believe it.


Perhaps those leaked documents were a cover they wanted you to know.... Muhahahaja
 
2014-02-07 04:17:29 PM
Ferret News got comments on the story from Senator Pyotr Monarch, chair of the Intelligence Committee.  "These numbers clearly show that surveillance is nowhere near as intrusive as some people imagine" Monarch said.   "Also, while we must admit the programs have not been critical to stopping many actual terror attacks, we can all agree these programs need improvement.  We have to give these agencies better tools so they can improve their performance.  Oh, and more access too."
 
2014-02-07 04:26:45 PM
If you think about it, they get only 20% of meta-data from the phone companies due to land lines.

What they're not telling you is that they don't need to get the meta-data for cell phone calls from the cell companies because those they just pull out of thin air on their own.
 
2014-02-07 04:41:31 PM

Darth_Lukecash: dittybopper: FTFA:
According to a new report by The Wall Street Journal which cites anonymous sources, the NSA's telephony metadata program only "collects data for about 20 percent or less of that data, primarily because it doesn't cover records for most cellphones."

The standard of proof is higher than that.  Show us leaked NSA documents that show that the program only covers 20%, and I'll believe it.

Perhaps those leaked documents were a cover they wanted you to know.... Muhahahaja


I used to be in the business.  I'd probably be able to know if they were fake because they'd be wrong in some way not obvious to those who haven't had a Top Secret/SCI clearance.
 
2014-02-07 04:44:42 PM

dittybopper: Darth_Lukecash: dittybopper: FTFA:
According to a new report by The Wall Street Journal which cites anonymous sources, the NSA's telephony metadata program only "collects data for about 20 percent or less of that data, primarily because it doesn't cover records for most cellphones."

The standard of proof is higher than that.  Show us leaked NSA documents that show that the program only covers 20%, and I'll believe it.

Perhaps those leaked documents were a cover they wanted you to know.... Muhahahaja

I used to be in the business.  I'd probably be able to know if they were fake because they'd be wrong in some way not obvious to those who haven't had a Top Secret/SCI clearance.


Perhaps they have Top Men working on it. TOP MEN!
 
2014-02-07 05:28:17 PM
Could be both.
 
2014-02-07 05:32:24 PM
That's just what they WANT you to think.
 
2014-02-07 05:40:23 PM
Listen let me say this "  collects data for about 20 percent or less of that data, primarily because it doesn't cover records for most cellphones "

this is assuming they are getting the data directly from the cellphone , they are not.  they are getting the data from the actual phone companies data base.
 
2014-02-07 05:42:13 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm probably not, but I'm pretty sure this means the UN is coming for my guns.
 
2014-02-07 05:48:57 PM
Maybe when iTunes syncs up, it can help them fill in the gaps.  Sure worked for geolocation data.
 
2014-02-07 05:55:34 PM
Also. The horse pulling your carriage had a tracking device shoved up its ass for national security and the its purveyors of rubber gloves. No one does Steampunk surveillance like your 21st Century tax dollars at work.
 
2014-02-07 05:56:22 PM
I don't give a damn what the percentage is as long as all necessary steps are taken including grand jury and bench warrant. Anything less is unfarking constitutional.
 
2014-02-07 06:05:01 PM

BitwiseShift: The horse pulling your carriage had a tracking device shoved up its ass


I was wondering why Rusty was winking at me...
 
2014-02-07 06:11:51 PM
Collect, biatches, collect.
You can hear about my daughter's Girl Scout cookie drop of and delivery in 20 years or however long it takes you to finally analyze it all.

/Farking idiots.
 
2014-02-07 06:13:34 PM
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2014-02-07 06:30:10 PM
The Journal concluded that "[t]he dwindling coverage suggests the NSA's program is less pervasive than widely believed and also less useful."

Wrote four different parody versions of this statement before deciding that there was no way to make it sound any stupider than it already is.
 
2014-02-07 06:56:33 PM
Still shouldn't be punishing the whole class for the one that threw the spit ball.

Do your job as a "government"; be smarter and faster than the bad guy without PEDs.

/lets be honest here
//this is just the beta to which they can turn around and sell it to the states
///f#ck off
 
2014-02-07 07:07:14 PM
That is because the FBI has sucked up any and all cell phone data it wanted since the 1990s. I am not making that up.
 
2014-02-07 07:13:34 PM
Oh, so you are illegally spying on only one fifth of the country?  Well then, that makes it ok.   NOT.
 
2014-02-07 07:32:48 PM
So is that a good thing or not?
 
2014-02-07 07:40:25 PM
Any data collection without a warrant is a violation of the 4th amendment.  This is not difficult to understand.  The government cant do any of this legally.
 
2014-02-07 07:41:39 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Any data collection without a warrant is a violation of the 4th amendment.  This is not difficult to understand.  The government cant do any of this legally.


Wanna bet?
 
2014-02-07 07:43:14 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Any data collection without a warrant is a violation of the 4th amendment.  This is not difficult to understand.  The government cant do any of this legally.


Oh, look. Another GED in law.
 
2014-02-07 08:30:29 PM
It's just as well. The data warehouse is the same one where they keep the Ark of the Covenant. Someone goes prying into the old boxes with a crowbar and everything goes up in one face melty zap.
 
2014-02-07 09:16:55 PM

ole prophet: Still shouldn't be punishing the whole class for the one that threw the spit ball.

Do your job as a "government"; be smarter and faster than the bad guy without PEDs.

/lets be honest here
//this is just the beta to which they can turn around and sell it to the states
///f#ck off


www.craveonline.com
 
2014-02-07 11:07:18 PM

jfivealive: Correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm probably not, but I'm pretty sure this means the UN is coming for my guns.


No, this does NOT mean the UN is coming for your guns.   They are, but THIS has nothing to do with it,
 
2014-02-07 11:24:28 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Any data collection without a warrant is a violation of the 4th amendment.  This is not difficult to understand.  The government cant do any of this legally.


ScrawnyHead? Is that you?
 
2014-02-07 11:25:30 PM
The government is obviously secretive, possibly tyrannical, and provably incompetent.

/ did I get that right?
 
2014-02-08 12:16:17 AM

jfivealive: Correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm probably not, but I'm pretty sure this means the UN is coming for my guns.


This.
 
2014-02-08 01:05:37 AM

dittybopper: FTFA:
According to a new report by The Wall Street Journal which cites anonymous sources, the NSA's telephony metadata program only "collects data for about 20 percent or less of that data, primarily because it doesn't cover records for most cellphones."

The standard of proof is higher than that.  Show us leaked NSA documents that show that the program only covers 20%, and I'll believe it.


Yup.. Keep swallowing Rupert's crapola... Good luck idiot proles-
 
2014-02-08 01:28:34 AM

bigsteve3OOO: Any data collection without a warrant is a violation of the 4th amendment.  This is not difficult to understand.  The government cant do any of this legally.


to begin with, no this is not true.

and to finish with, there are these guys telling them it is OK whenever they ask.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surv ei llance_Court
 
2014-02-08 04:10:53 AM

Gway: dittybopper: FTFA:
According to a new report by The Wall Street Journal which cites anonymous sources, the NSA's telephony metadata program only "collects data for about 20 percent or less of that data, primarily because it doesn't cover records for most cellphones."

The standard of proof is higher than that.  Show us leaked NSA documents that show that the program only covers 20%, and I'll believe it.

Yup.. Keep swallowing Rupert's crapola... Good luck idiot proles-


It might cover more. It might cover less. I didn't believe the leaked NSA documents before, so I'm not going to believe this now.
 
2014-02-08 08:24:44 AM
I call BS. The Guardian says that less than 1% of what Snowden gave them has been published. It's a safe bet that they collect all electronically-transmitted data and a lot of data that is thought to be on systems that don't transmit anything.
 
2014-02-08 08:28:33 AM

ole prophet: Still shouldn't be punishing the whole class for the one that threw the spit ball.

Do your job as a "government"; be smarter and faster than the bad guy without PEDs.


What makes you think that the government isn't the bad guys?
 
2014-02-09 02:59:37 AM

MFAWG: bigsteve3OOO: Any data collection without a warrant is a violation of the 4th amendment.  This is not difficult to understand.  The government cant do any of this legally.

Wanna bet?


Lots of things have been legal that shouldn't have been.
 
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