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(STLToday)   Missouri lawmaker who says he's "not trying to kill babies or make kids unsafe" introduces bill that would inevitably kill babies and make kids unsafe   (stltoday.com) divider line 17
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4143 clicks; posted to Politics » on 07 Feb 2014 at 4:04 PM (36 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2014-02-07 04:27:16 PM  
4 votes:
So you have parents that won't be able to afford childcare if regulations are enforced? Have you considered, I dunno, maybe ensuring the parents make a living wage? Cause that just might help.
2014-02-07 04:12:24 PM  
3 votes:
I don't understand why they are so keen on letting the babies be born, and then do everything in their power to kill them.
2014-02-07 05:49:58 PM  
2 votes:

ox45tallboy: why do I need an EXIT sign at the obvious front door that people just came in? Why do I need a third person on staff when I only have six kids?


Why was the regulation implemented in the first place? It may seem ridiculous, but it never seems to enter the discussion why such a regulation was put forth to begin with. The reason couldn't have been ridiculous, or we wouldn't have the regulation.

An EXIT sign means you most definitely can exit the building, and a simple beacon as such could be a lifesaver in a frantic or dangerous situation such as a fire. A third person at all times might something like needed a third to watch the children in case one worker is incapacitated and another needs to seek help.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking people dream up these regulations for shiats and giggles. Like I said before:

Sergeant Grumbles: Because it's never "This regulation is too strict. Here is a change that would loosen this restriction while still maintaining the spirit of the regulation."
It's ALWAYS "These regulations are too onerous. Let's get rid of all of them."

2014-02-07 04:18:41 PM  
2 votes:
Rep. Scott Fitzpatrick, R-Shell Knob, has filed a bill to enable 93 of the state's 115 counties, including Barry County and other rural areas, to opt out of all state child care licensing requirements and, if they choose, create their own rules instead.


The way Fitzpatrick sees it, most child care providers in his area cannot afford to come into compliance with state licensing standards.

He said they lack the staff to meet state standards for adult-to-child ratios. He said they can't survive under the state's enrollment limits, which cap their number of paying clients.


3 words:

Fark you, asshole!
2014-02-07 04:14:02 PM  
2 votes:
FTA: "The way Fitzpatrick sees it, most child care providers in his area cannot afford to come into compliance with state licensing standards."

On a similar note, we need to get rid of regulations for off-shore oil rigs so mom-and-pop oil companies can compete on a level playing field. Then when they leak millions of barrels of oil, the taxpayers can foot the bill for the cleanup.
2014-02-07 04:11:55 PM  
2 votes:
They got the babies out of the womb, those suckers are on their own now.
2014-02-08 04:14:03 AM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: The whole system is set up to ensure poor people stay poor, their kids stay poor and out of school or in crappy day care, and services that would help everyone out of poverty are nearly impossible to obtain.


So what is the solution? What do you propose? I've listed several of my own proposals in this thread, and I'll be happy to list more, but I'd like to hear other ideas.
2014-02-07 05:35:25 PM  
1 votes:
I think I can understand where this guy is coming from. I don't condone his position, but I think I do understand it.

Due to the fact that wages are so low right now, the idea of a stay-at-home parent, even in a two-parent household, is simply unrealistic, especially in the poorest parts of an already poor state. The elimination of things like Food Stamps compounds this issue.

Government regulations that ensure day cares are safe do, at times, kind of seem ridiculous - for instance, why do I need an EXIT sign at the obvious front door that people just came in? Why do I need a third person on staff when I only have six kids? Abiding by all of these regulations makes it so that even day-care centers operated out of someone's home, and not operated with a vested interest in profit so much as survival of the single mother that operates it, must charge outrageous rates to cover their expenses, most of which don't have anything to do with directly providing care to the child. (Why do I need a 180 degree- dishwasher, when I serve the kids prepackaged foods on paper plates?) When day care becomes expensive, it makes it so that the parent going to work for minimum wage is only coming out a couple of dollars per hour ahead of where they would be if they just stayed home with the kids and didn't work.

What this guy is proposing is that the local governments take care of their own regulation, which lets local officials make some determinations on a case-by-case basis, such as letting a woman that keeps three neighbor kids in her house get away with not having an EXIT sign, or an expensive sanitizing dishwasher. While this sounds great in theory, what generally happens is that there is no local money to even do a cursory check on these places, and no one will report themselves as being a daycare when they're only "keeping the neighbors' kids". Toss in a bit of "good ol' boy" nepotism, as well as a little abuse of local authority, and you're in an even worse jam than you are now.

In my opinion, a more reasonable proposition would be state grant money to make some of these day care facilities compliant - for example, a person reports themselves as a daycare, and they get an assessment and the state pays for a new dishwasher or EXIT sign. They also get on the books as a licensed facility, and training is made available for workers to become better at handling multiple children. Of course this is a liberal solution that requires money be taken from the rich to pay for it, and the rich wouldn't be using these unlicensed facilities anyhow. So what if the rich are receiving a direct benefit from the ridiculously low wages that necessitate these sorts of child care situations in the first place?
2014-02-07 05:02:49 PM  
1 votes:
He said his constituents tell him that unlicensed facilities can provide just as decent care as licensed facilities.

Really, that's what your constituents tell you?  Do you happen to know this: "A recent Post-Dispatch investigation found all but six of 56 child care deaths in Missouri from 2007 through July 2011 occurred in unlicensed home day cares."?

Your constituents are ill-informed and you apparently lack the stones to educate them about the safety of their offspring.
2014-02-07 04:35:39 PM  
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: I don't have kids so that wouldn't apply, but if a kid dies at your daycare then I would imagine nobody would give somebody their business after that.


Yes, indeed. You'd imagine that would happen, wouldn't you.
2014-02-07 04:28:44 PM  
1 votes:

Krymson Tyde: So you have parents that won't be able to afford childcare if regulations are enforced? Have you considered, I dunno, maybe ensuring the parents make a living wage? Cause that just might help.


The solution, of course, is to eliminate child labor laws, so the children can earn a paycheck to pay for their own care. Bootstraps!
2014-02-07 04:28:32 PM  
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: Given that these requirements and regulations exist for the sole purpose of limiting competition and keeping prices high, I'm fine with this.  More competition in the market never hurt anything.


And when your kid dies, you'll know not to give that daycare center your business with the next one. Thanks, Free Market!
2014-02-07 04:21:45 PM  
1 votes:
Because it's never "This regulation is too strict. Here is a change that would loosen this restriction while still maintaining the spirit of the regulation."
It's ALWAYS "These regulations are too onerous. Let's get rid of all of them."
2014-02-07 04:21:31 PM  
1 votes:

Kumana Wanalaia: Benevolent Misanthrope: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Are they bring back Lawn Darts?!?

Oooo!  I loved those!  I hope they bring back the old Clackers™, too.  Those were awesome!

I think it's a biological imperative to throw a handful of those things straight up and run away.

I don't know why but it's inevitable.


I had fun with lawn darts, and nobody ever got hurt.

Of course, it was only a matter of time, because you really did always have more fun throwing them up than over...

fenianfark: Without being licensed, you can watch up to 4 kids in MO. If you are trying to watch more than that on your own, you should damn well be licensed and inspected.


It's really not an onerous requirement of any kind. A 4 kid cap lets you watch the neighbor's kids or your own grandlkids, nieces, nephews, etc. Any more, it's truly a business and should be inspected and be in compliance, I agree.
2014-02-07 04:18:46 PM  
1 votes:
Problem: kids die at unlicensed facilities.
Solution: create some regulations, license more facilites.
Problem: costs of compliance.
Solution: don't be a childcare provider if you can't afford to staff enough people to, you know, care for children.

// be lulzy if they started farking with those facilities like they do abortion clinics
// "childcare providers must have admitting privileges at the two nearest hospitals" - you don't want kids to DIE, do you?
2014-02-07 04:18:24 PM  
1 votes:
Without being licensed, you can watch up to 4 kids in MO. If you are trying to watch more than that on your own, you should damn well be licensed and inspected.
2014-02-07 04:12:27 PM  
1 votes:

Almost Everybody Poops: Those job-killing day care regulations are preventing the poor babies from growing up to freedom.


Funny thing for me is that the same people who deny evolution will jump on the 'freedom' bandwagon and use evolutionary principles and ideas to make their points.
 
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