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(STLToday)   Missouri lawmaker who says he's "not trying to kill babies or make kids unsafe" introduces bill that would inevitably kill babies and make kids unsafe   (stltoday.com) divider line 108
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2014-02-07 11:31:46 PM  
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2014-02-07 11:53:46 PM  
Technically speaking, this douche isn't wrong. The reason that illegal day care providers exist in the first place is because onerous and/or ridiculous regulations push the cost of LAWFUL day care beyond the reach of the working poor. If you have laws that mandate 4:1 ratios of children to providers, certain sizes of rooms, certain types of facilities, etc., then the costs inevitably go up; and if you further mandate that providers have to jump through all kinds of legal hoops to get licensed, you ensure that only those with pristine backgrounds and degrees in childcare get licensed, and there aren't nearly enough of those to go around. So kids in poor neighborhoods wind up in mom's friend's living room with six other kids, because friend wont' charge her extra if she can't get home from work on time.

With all that said, that probably wasn't what this douche had in mind when he said this, or what people have in mind when they said "Enforce the existing regulations!" which would only exacerbate the problems already in place. There are no provisions for examining what the issues really are, which is that working parents need day care centers in their own neighborhoods or in their workplaces; that feed the kids good food and make sure they do their homework; and that are clean and safe. Whether there are specific ratios of workers to children or whether they have degrees in childcare should be secondary or tertiary to the cost and location of the centers, and whether the caregivers are sane and drug-free. A 4:1 ratio is useless if that 1 is stoned out of her mind all day long; and a 14:1 is probably quite adequate if the kids are over the age of 10.
 
2014-02-08 12:17:04 AM  
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2014-02-08 03:59:07 AM  

Gyrfalcon: With all that said, that probably wasn't what this douche had in mind when he said this, or what people have in mind when they said "Enforce the existing regulations!" which would only exacerbate the problems already in place. There are no provisions for examining what the issues really are, which is that working parents need day care centers in their own neighborhoods or in their workplaces; that feed the kids good food and make sure they do their homework; and that are clean and safe. Whether there are specific ratios of workers to children or whether they have degrees in childcare should be secondary or tertiary to the cost and location of the centers, and whether the caregivers are sane and drug-free. A 4:1 ratio is useless if that 1 is stoned out of her mind all day long; and a 14:1 is probably quite adequate if the kids are over the age of 10.


I want to take this a step farther. What are the real issues here? When a mom has to pay $4/hour for babysitting to go work a job that after taxes pays only $6/hour, how close to starvation does she have to be to make $16/day worth spending 8 hours away from her child?

The real issue should not be providing affordable day care, it should be ensuring that all children are brought up in a happy and safe environment. This environment should be the home by default, but if it must be a daycare, said daycare must be a happy and safe place as well.

By reducing the reliance on day care, we can reduce the number of toddlers that are placed away from their homes for 8 hours a day. In my opinion, starting from the point we got to in the 90's of "all parents in the household must work, so therefore there must be child care services" means common sense has already lost. Let's try raising minimum wage so that fewer people need that second income.
 
2014-02-08 04:08:09 AM  

ox45tallboy: Gyrfalcon: With all that said, that probably wasn't what this douche had in mind when he said this, or what people have in mind when they said "Enforce the existing regulations!" which would only exacerbate the problems already in place. There are no provisions for examining what the issues really are, which is that working parents need day care centers in their own neighborhoods or in their workplaces; that feed the kids good food and make sure they do their homework; and that are clean and safe. Whether there are specific ratios of workers to children or whether they have degrees in childcare should be secondary or tertiary to the cost and location of the centers, and whether the caregivers are sane and drug-free. A 4:1 ratio is useless if that 1 is stoned out of her mind all day long; and a 14:1 is probably quite adequate if the kids are over the age of 10.

I want to take this a step farther. What are the real issues here? When a mom has to pay $4/hour for babysitting to go work a job that after taxes pays only $6/hour, how close to starvation does she have to be to make $16/day worth spending 8 hours away from her child?

The real issue should not be providing affordable day care, it should be ensuring that all children are brought up in a happy and safe environment. This environment should be the home by default, but if it must be a daycare, said daycare must be a happy and safe place as well.

By reducing the reliance on day care, we can reduce the number of toddlers that are placed away from their homes for 8 hours a day. In my opinion, starting from the point we got to in the 90's of "all parents in the household must work, so therefore there must be child care services" means common sense has already lost. Let's try raising minimum wage so that fewer people need that second income.


And I'll throw this into the mix: Currently, social services offices, courts, etc., are open from 9-4 M-F. So if a parent needs, for instance, SNAP or Medicare, and needs to go to the welfare office, they have to take time off work to go there. AND they need to make provisions for their child, which  usually means taking the kid out of school; because mom/dad isn't going to be available after school to pick up the kids, because he/she is going to still be stuck down at the welfare office arguing with the idiot caseworker about something or other.

So the social services office is filled to the brim not only with pissed off people, but tired kids and babies. Courthouses now have mini-daycare rooms where parents can stash the kids so they don't disrupt court proceedings, because crying babies and restless toddlers are a wild distraction in court. But those necessary services are set up for the convenience of the workers, NOT the convenience of those who use them. And since they're located for the convenience of the city, they're not where anyone can easily access them, i.e. they're downtown or centrally located, and satellite offices were shut down decades ago as cost-cutting measures.

The whole system is set up to ensure poor people stay poor, their kids stay poor and out of school or in crappy day care, and services that would help everyone out of poverty are nearly impossible to obtain.
 
2014-02-08 04:14:03 AM  

Gyrfalcon: The whole system is set up to ensure poor people stay poor, their kids stay poor and out of school or in crappy day care, and services that would help everyone out of poverty are nearly impossible to obtain.


So what is the solution? What do you propose? I've listed several of my own proposals in this thread, and I'll be happy to list more, but I'd like to hear other ideas.
 
2014-02-08 09:55:05 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: To be fair, every parent has the opportunity to choose another daycare service if they're dissatisfied with the service. The daycares that don't improve their service will go out of business. That's how the free market works. Who needs the government breathing down the necks of these entrepreneurs, who are putting themselves out there and making an honest buck, imposing rules and regulations that these small business owners will eventually come up with themselves in order to provide the best possible service for their customers?


I give that 1/10
You really phoned that one in
 
2014-02-08 10:08:54 AM  

BMulligan: StopLurkListen: "Make kids unsafe" ... for whom?

I mean, if you were endangering kids, I'd understand. But "making them unsafe" requires a thing they are being made unsafe "for". At any speed? To use with heavy machinery? To mix with bleach? At high tide?

I love when someone here is an even worse grammar Nazi than I am. Keep up the good work.

Mikey1969: I had fun with lawn darts, and nobody ever got hurt.

My friends and I had fun with crude pipe bombs when I was a teenager and none of us got hurt, either - but that doesn't mean I approve of them for children generally.


How many of your circle of retarded friends decided to move to Florida and lower our collective IQ?
When they outlawed all these toys; water wiggles, lawn darts, clackers, etc, my friends and I couldn't figure out how you could manage to hurt yourself with any of them.
Our feeling was if you were stupid enough not to stand aside when a two foot dart was being thrown, or if you jammed a dismembered water wiggle in your throat you kind of deserved whatever happened next.
We figured it was "A Yankee Thing".
That was the catchall for anytime someone came from up north to do stupid things down here.
We always wondered if folks behaved that way at home, or saved it all up for their Florida trip.
 
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