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(STLToday)   Missouri lawmaker who says he's "not trying to kill babies or make kids unsafe" introduces bill that would inevitably kill babies and make kids unsafe   (stltoday.com) divider line 108
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2014-02-07 03:50:07 PM
Are they bring back Lawn Darts?!?
 
2014-02-07 03:59:11 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Are they bring back Lawn Darts?!?


Oooo!  I loved those!  I hope they bring back the old Clackers™, too.  Those were awesome!
 
2014-02-07 04:03:12 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Are they bring back Lawn Darts?!?


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2014-02-07 04:06:46 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Are they bring back Lawn Darts?!?

Oooo!  I loved those!  I hope they bring back the old Clackers™, too.  Those were awesome!


MANIACS! You'll put your eye out.
 
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2014-02-07 04:07:46 PM
Won't someone think of the children?
 
2014-02-07 04:08:43 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Are they bring back Lawn Darts?!?

Oooo!  I loved those!  I hope they bring back the old Clackers™, too.  Those were awesome!


I think it's a biological imperative to throw a handful of those things straight up and run away.

I don't know why but it's inevitable.
 
2014-02-07 04:09:59 PM
Those job-killing day care regulations are preventing the poor babies from growing up to freedom.
 
2014-02-07 04:10:07 PM
My my, more Missouri stuff.  Shell Knob.. I had great grandparents with a house there on the lake.  Saw a live, wild tarantula on the shore, ran a very long way.
 
2014-02-07 04:11:55 PM
They got the babies out of the womb, those suckers are on their own now.
 
2014-02-07 04:12:24 PM
I don't understand why they are so keen on letting the babies be born, and then do everything in their power to kill them.
 
2014-02-07 04:12:27 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: Those job-killing day care regulations are preventing the poor babies from growing up to freedom.


Funny thing for me is that the same people who deny evolution will jump on the 'freedom' bandwagon and use evolutionary principles and ideas to make their points.
 
2014-02-07 04:14:02 PM
FTA: "The way Fitzpatrick sees it, most child care providers in his area cannot afford to come into compliance with state licensing standards."

On a similar note, we need to get rid of regulations for off-shore oil rigs so mom-and-pop oil companies can compete on a level playing field. Then when they leak millions of barrels of oil, the taxpayers can foot the bill for the cleanup.
 
2014-02-07 04:14:30 PM
"Make kids unsafe" ... for whom?

I mean, if you were endangering kids, I'd understand. But "making them unsafe" requires a thing they are being made unsafe "for". At any speed? To use with heavy machinery? To mix with bleach? At high tide?
 
2014-02-07 04:15:05 PM
Wait a minute? Daycare? I thought women were supposed to look after their own sprogs, like God and Jesus intended. What are they doing working out of the home?

They should close these daycares just to show women that they'd be better off keeping their legs closed. The aspirin method works great.

Anyway, sounds like creeping socialism and Sharia law no matter how you slice it.
 
2014-02-07 04:15:07 PM
The article says that Tue adult to child ratio can't be met. I wonder what the state requires and how far off the rural centers are. Out here in California, for infants and toddlers, it is one adult for every six children.

And trust me, when you have more than six toddlers and infants around, you need more than one person.

/Grew up in a day care center; mom ran one out of our home.
 
2014-02-07 04:15:33 PM
Kumana Wanalaia:

Benevolent Misanthrope: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Are they bring back Lawn Darts?!?

Oooo! I loved those! I hope they bring back the old Clackers™, too. Those were awesome!

I think it's a biological imperative to throw a handful of those things straight up and run away.

I don't know why but it's inevitable


Sure those weren't Nike missiles? Equally poinky.
 
2014-02-07 04:18:24 PM
Without being licensed, you can watch up to 4 kids in MO. If you are trying to watch more than that on your own, you should damn well be licensed and inspected.
 
2014-02-07 04:18:41 PM
Rep. Scott Fitzpatrick, R-Shell Knob, has filed a bill to enable 93 of the state's 115 counties, including Barry County and other rural areas, to opt out of all state child care licensing requirements and, if they choose, create their own rules instead.


The way Fitzpatrick sees it, most child care providers in his area cannot afford to come into compliance with state licensing standards.

He said they lack the staff to meet state standards for adult-to-child ratios. He said they can't survive under the state's enrollment limits, which cap their number of paying clients.


3 words:

Fark you, asshole!
 
2014-02-07 04:18:43 PM
I do enjoy the retort in TFA though.  We need to tighten up the regulations that these people are already not complying with.
 
2014-02-07 04:18:46 PM
Problem: kids die at unlicensed facilities.
Solution: create some regulations, license more facilites.
Problem: costs of compliance.
Solution: don't be a childcare provider if you can't afford to staff enough people to, you know, care for children.

// be lulzy if they started farking with those facilities like they do abortion clinics
// "childcare providers must have admitting privileges at the two nearest hospitals" - you don't want kids to DIE, do you?
 
2014-02-07 04:19:12 PM
Given that these requirements and regulations exist for the sole purpose of limiting competition and keeping prices high, I'm fine with this.  More competition in the market never hurt anything.
 
2014-02-07 04:19:23 PM

mgshamster: The article says that Tue adult to child ratio can't be met. I wonder what the state requires and how far off the rural centers are. Out here in California, for infants and toddlers, it is one adult for every six children.

And trust me, when you have more than six toddlers and infants around, you need more than one person.

/Grew up in a day care center; mom ran one out of our home.


Maybe the rules changed recently, but the current ratio of caregiver:child varies by age of the child. Infants are definitely 4:1 but I dunno how mixed groups of infants and toddlers are dealt with

http://daycare.com/california/
Age of Children  Child:Staff ratio
6 weeks
4:1

9 months
4:1

18 months
6:1
 
2014-02-07 04:21:03 PM
To be fair, every parent has the opportunity to choose another daycare service if they're dissatisfied with the service. The daycares that don't improve their service will go out of business. That's how the free market works. Who needs the government breathing down the necks of these entrepreneurs, who are putting themselves out there and making an honest buck, imposing rules and regulations that these small business owners will eventually come up with themselves in order to provide the best possible service for their customers?
 
2014-02-07 04:21:31 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: Benevolent Misanthrope: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Are they bring back Lawn Darts?!?

Oooo!  I loved those!  I hope they bring back the old Clackers™, too.  Those were awesome!

I think it's a biological imperative to throw a handful of those things straight up and run away.

I don't know why but it's inevitable.


I had fun with lawn darts, and nobody ever got hurt.

Of course, it was only a matter of time, because you really did always have more fun throwing them up than over...

fenianfark: Without being licensed, you can watch up to 4 kids in MO. If you are trying to watch more than that on your own, you should damn well be licensed and inspected.


It's really not an onerous requirement of any kind. A 4 kid cap lets you watch the neighbor's kids or your own grandlkids, nieces, nephews, etc. Any more, it's truly a business and should be inspected and be in compliance, I agree.
 
2014-02-07 04:21:45 PM
Because it's never "This regulation is too strict. Here is a change that would loosen this restriction while still maintaining the spirit of the regulation."
It's ALWAYS "These regulations are too onerous. Let's get rid of all of them."
 
2014-02-07 04:22:23 PM
Redneck people problems.

Does Mizzurah subsidize day care?
 
2014-02-07 04:24:27 PM
So is this the redneck version of birth control? Because someone should tell them that Jesus would rather you wear your jimmy hats then willfully endanger children.
 
2014-02-07 04:25:36 PM

rzrwiresunrise: To be fair, every parent has the opportunity to choose another daycare service if they're dissatisfied with the service. The daycares that don't improve their service will go out of business. That's how the free market works. Who needs the government breathing down the necks of these entrepreneurs, who are putting themselves out there and making an honest buck, imposing rules and regulations that these small business owners will eventually come up with themselves in order to provide the best possible service for their customers?


To be fair - unregulated childcare services servicing many children need to be eliminated.
 
2014-02-07 04:27:16 PM
So you have parents that won't be able to afford childcare if regulations are enforced? Have you considered, I dunno, maybe ensuring the parents make a living wage? Cause that just might help.
 
2014-02-07 04:28:32 PM

Warlordtrooper: Given that these requirements and regulations exist for the sole purpose of limiting competition and keeping prices high, I'm fine with this.  More competition in the market never hurt anything.


And when your kid dies, you'll know not to give that daycare center your business with the next one. Thanks, Free Market!
 
2014-02-07 04:28:44 PM

Krymson Tyde: So you have parents that won't be able to afford childcare if regulations are enforced? Have you considered, I dunno, maybe ensuring the parents make a living wage? Cause that just might help.


The solution, of course, is to eliminate child labor laws, so the children can earn a paycheck to pay for their own care. Bootstraps!
 
2014-02-07 04:29:08 PM

Krymson Tyde: So you have parents that won't be able to afford childcare if regulations are enforced? Have you considered, I dunno, maybe ensuring the parents make a living wage? Cause that just might help.


You sound socialist.
 
2014-02-07 04:29:55 PM
O, Mighty Isis!

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2014-02-07 04:30:55 PM

StopLurkListen: "Make kids unsafe" ... for whom?

I mean, if you were endangering kids, I'd understand. But "making them unsafe" requires a thing they are being made unsafe "for". At any speed? To use with heavy machinery? To mix with bleach? At high tide?


What an unsafe kid might look like

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2014-02-07 04:31:35 PM

theorellior: Warlordtrooper: Given that these requirements and regulations exist for the sole purpose of limiting competition and keeping prices high, I'm fine with this.  More competition in the market never hurt anything.

And when your kid dies, you'll know not to give that daycare center your business with the next one. Thanks, Free Market!



I don't have kids so that wouldn't apply, but if a kid dies at your daycare then I would imagine nobody would give somebody their business after that.
 
2014-02-07 04:35:23 PM

StopLurkListen: "Make kids unsafe" ... for whom?

I mean, if you were endangering kids, I'd understand. But "making them unsafe" requires a thing they are being made unsafe "for". At any speed? To use with heavy machinery? To mix with bleach? At high tide?


It is Southwest Missouri. Imagine this picture, but replace the coke with meth and a bible.

i47.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-07 04:35:39 PM

Warlordtrooper: I don't have kids so that wouldn't apply, but if a kid dies at your daycare then I would imagine nobody would give somebody their business after that.


Yes, indeed. You'd imagine that would happen, wouldn't you.
 
2014-02-07 04:38:56 PM
Some states exempt religious-based day cares (i.e. churches) from accreditation requirements other day-cares must comply with - the documentation of care-workers and how many children may be supervised by each person.

There was a case in Indianapolis of a tot who was found drowned in the baptismal font after he disappeared from the overworked staff's attention.

Regulations exist for a reason.  Sometimes they are onerous, but most often they have a purpose.
 
2014-02-07 04:44:41 PM

StopLurkListen: "Make kids unsafe" ... for whom?

I mean, if you were endangering kids, I'd understand. But "making them unsafe" requires a thing they are being made unsafe "for". At any speed? To use with heavy machinery? To mix with bleach? At high tide?


I find that babies make deceptively dangerous projectiles when you use a water balloon slingshot to throw them.
 
2014-02-07 04:46:43 PM

Warlordtrooper: theorellior: Warlordtrooper: Given that these requirements and regulations exist for the sole purpose of limiting competition and keeping prices high, I'm fine with this.  More competition in the market never hurt anything.

And when your kid dies, you'll know not to give that daycare center your business with the next one. Thanks, Free Market!


I don't have kids so that wouldn't apply, but if a kid dies at your daycare then I would imagine nobody would give somebody their business after that.


Which is, of course, a great comfort to the parents of the kid who just died because their day-care center was too stingy to bring their facilities up to code.
 
2014-02-07 04:48:13 PM
This whole thing fits perfectly with my always confirmed stereotype of midwestern conservatives.  They are always more concerned about enslaving women and forcing everyone to worship their version of some fantasy deity than making the lives of the people around them better.
 
2014-02-07 04:51:45 PM
Even if you do have an acceptable ratio of adults to kids, the adults should be sober or the kids might get into the meth lab.
 
2014-02-07 04:52:49 PM

red5ish: Even if you do have an acceptable ratio of adults to kids, the adults should be sober or the kids might get into the meth lab.


Nope. Too expensive.
 
2014-02-07 04:53:11 PM

qorkfiend: Which is, of course, a great comfort to the parents of the kid who just died because their day-care center was too stingy to bring their facilities up to code.


They'll be happy that there were no competition-killing regulations to bring down the free market. Didn't you read his original comment?
 
2014-02-07 04:57:26 PM
He said they lack the staff to meet state standards for adult-to-child ratios. He said they can't survive under the state's enrollment limits, which cap their number of paying clients.

First off, if you don't have enough adults to watch over the kid's you take in, then maybe you should hire more adults.
Secondly, if you already don't have enough adults to watch over the kids you take in, then why in the hell do you think things would get better if you add more kids?
 
2014-02-07 04:57:41 PM

Warlordtrooper: Given that these requirements and regulations exist for the sole purpose of limiting competition and keeping prices high, I'm fine with this.  More competition in the market never hurt anything.


Warlordtrooper: I don't have kids so that wouldn't apply, but if a kid dies at your daycare then I would imagine nobody would give somebody their business after that.


So, if you have no kids, what exactly is your experience with day cares?  How do you know the regulations are there solely to keep prices high?   Are there any government regulations that are good, or do you see Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome as a cheery future?
 
2014-02-07 04:58:19 PM
What could possibly go wrong here?

qorkfiend: Which is, of course, a great comfort to the parents of the kid who just died because their day-care center was too stingy to bring their facilities up to code.


Oh come on.  The Free Market approach allows for a lawsuit after the kid died.  You can't beat that!
 
2014-02-07 05:01:04 PM

Fart_Machine: What could possibly go wrong here?

qorkfiend: Which is, of course, a great comfort to the parents of the kid who just died because their day-care center was too stingy to bring their facilities up to code.

Oh come on.  The Free Market approach allows for a lawsuit after the kid died.  You can't beat that!


All the dead baby law suits are killing the industry. We must enact tort reform today!!!
 
2014-02-07 05:02:49 PM
He said his constituents tell him that unlicensed facilities can provide just as decent care as licensed facilities.

Really, that's what your constituents tell you?  Do you happen to know this: "A recent Post-Dispatch investigation found all but six of 56 child care deaths in Missouri from 2007 through July 2011 occurred in unlicensed home day cares."?

Your constituents are ill-informed and you apparently lack the stones to educate them about the safety of their offspring.
 
2014-02-07 05:04:29 PM

Karac: He said his constituents tell him that unlicensed facilities can provide just as decent care as licensed facilities.

Really, that's what your constituents tell you?  Do you happen to know this: "A recent Post-Dispatch investigation found all but six of 56 child care deaths in Missouri from 2007 through July 2011 occurred in unlicensed home day cares."?

Your constituents are ill-informed and you apparently lack the stones to educate them about the safety of their offspring.


Can't contradict your constituents. They might not vote for you again.
 
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