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(ESPN)   Denver Broncos extend Del Rio's contract. No word on when they'll actually be getting a defense for him to coordinate   ( espn.go.com) divider line
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2014-02-07 03:58:42 PM  

stappawho: Nana's Vibrator: IAmRight: Anyway, Denver's defense is decent but it'd probably help if they had Harris and Miller healthy. Or if they had the extra $20 million or so that the Seahawks do because of the QB pay differential.

You just wait, smart guy.  Not all of those Seahawks will be playing at discounted rates forever.
Denver is an interesting case, because while Manning and Bailey make obscene amounts of money, most everyone else (if the source is reliable) makes a modest enough salary, save for maybe the two tight ends not named Thomas also make a combined $6+ mil.

Good thing they have this draft thing every year.


Who's drafting?  Coaching staff and personnel staff don't sit around either.  They want promotions and raises.  Seattle has a couple of years under the current status quo, then you'll be seeing ESPN ticker reading about the people from vice president of player personnel to the assistant janitor getting interviews with (teams' names mercifully redacted).  Damn vulture league.
 
2014-02-07 03:59:34 PM  

IAmRight: Anyway, Denver's defense is decent but it'd probably help if they had Harris and Miller healthy. Or if they had the extra $20 million or so that the Seahawks do because of the QB pay differential.


yea but denver certainly gets it's 20m worth of passing from peyton. does seattle get to cry that we have to pay avril and bennett this year but denver had von miller on a cheapo rookie contract?

is it fair we're paying lynch far more then moreno and ball combined? no. but then lynch does far more then moreno and ball combined now doesn't he?

it's bull that d,thomas is on a cheap deal and we have money locked up in sidney rice. derp derp derp. if seattle drops zach miller since he makes so much more then julius thomas then seattle could have even more to spend. derp derp derp.
 
2014-02-07 04:03:29 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: stappawho: Nana's Vibrator: IAmRight: Anyway, Denver's defense is decent but it'd probably help if they had Harris and Miller healthy. Or if they had the extra $20 million or so that the Seahawks do because of the QB pay differential.

You just wait, smart guy.  Not all of those Seahawks will be playing at discounted rates forever.
Denver is an interesting case, because while Manning and Bailey make obscene amounts of money, most everyone else (if the source is reliable) makes a modest enough salary, save for maybe the two tight ends not named Thomas also make a combined $6+ mil.

Good thing they have this draft thing every year.

Who's drafting?  Coaching staff and personnel staff don't sit around either.  They want promotions and raises.  Seattle has a couple of years under the current status quo, then you'll be seeing ESPN ticker reading about the people from vice president of player personnel to the assistant janitor getting interviews with (teams' names mercifully redacted).  Damn vulture league.


to be fair, people have already been poaching Seattle for a couple years now... as long as they have that Owner-President-GM-Coach and key player nucleus, they'll have bedrock to build on

but hey, the NFC was rock-solid in the playoffs this year, Seattle was | | close from not even going to the super bowl, so even if they keep everybody there's no guarantee they make it back... Denver has a good chance, but the AFC just sucks right now anyways
 
2014-02-07 04:05:03 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: stappawho: Nana's Vibrator: IAmRight: Anyway, Denver's defense is decent but it'd probably help if they had Harris and Miller healthy. Or if they had the extra $20 million or so that the Seahawks do because of the QB pay differential.

You just wait, smart guy.  Not all of those Seahawks will be playing at discounted rates forever.
Denver is an interesting case, because while Manning and Bailey make obscene amounts of money, most everyone else (if the source is reliable) makes a modest enough salary, save for maybe the two tight ends not named Thomas also make a combined $6+ mil.

Good thing they have this draft thing every year.

Who's drafting?  Coaching staff and personnel staff don't sit around either.  They want promotions and raises.  Seattle has a couple of years under the current status quo, then you'll be seeing ESPN ticker reading about the people from vice president of player personnel to the assistant janitor getting interviews with (teams' names mercifully redacted).  Damn vulture league.


Idzik is already in NY. Somehow we managed to keep everyone around this time (so far, anyway).
 
2014-02-07 04:42:22 PM  
I'm actually not sure why Denver's defense has gotten as much heat as it has in the Super Bowl aftermath.

They were basically a league-average unit AND missing some key players, and when you combine that with watching your all-world offense completely sh*t yourselves and be unable to maintain drives, yeah, I'd eventually break down too.
 
2014-02-07 04:54:41 PM  

Super Chronic: Just keep hitting on those Day 2/Day3/undrafted guys. Let the high-priced vets move on (Rice, Clemons, Miller and eventually Lynch); give the big bucks to the players who have it coming; and fill the voids left by the departed veterans with the aforementioned Day 2/Day3/undrafted guys. Fill remaining gaps with strategic free agent signings from the long list of players who want to play for Pete Carroll. Rinse, repeat, win forever.


The point is that it's not easy to "just keep hitting on Day2/Day3/undrafted guys." Even the best aren't going to sustain the ridiculous hit rate these guys have hit on over the past few years.

HotKarl: does seattle get to cry that we have to pay avril and bennett this year but denver had von miller on a cheapo rookie contract?


Who's crying? I root for Seattle. It doesn't make it less of a fact that if Manning weren't so expensive the Broncos might have some depth.
 
2014-02-07 05:03:09 PM  

IAmRight: Super Chronic: Just keep hitting on those Day 2/Day3/undrafted guys. Let the high-priced vets move on (Rice, Clemons, Miller and eventually Lynch); give the big bucks to the players who have it coming; and fill the voids left by the departed veterans with the aforementioned Day 2/Day3/undrafted guys. Fill remaining gaps with strategic free agent signings from the long list of players who want to play for Pete Carroll. Rinse, repeat, win forever.

The point is that it's not easy to "just keep hitting on Day2/Day3/undrafted guys." Even the best aren't going to sustain the ridiculous hit rate these guys have hit on over the past few years.

HotKarl: does seattle get to cry that we have to pay avril and bennett this year but denver had von miller on a cheapo rookie contract?

Who's crying? I root for Seattle. It doesn't make it less of a fact that if Manning weren't so expensive the Broncos might have some depth.


Heh, yeah, maybe. But without Manning, the Broncos would have been lucky to make the playoffs, much less the Owl. We get it, the Hawks are obviously a better team.

//Relax, your attempt to make the Hawks the Patriots West is on schedule.
 
2014-02-07 05:03:31 PM  

Shame Us: jst3p: Mikey1969: Thanks guys... Not as bad as the headline states, but still overmatched. Although I think it was more that Seattle was able to keep Peyton off guard the whole time that set everything.

This was the biggest factor. When Manning has time he finds someplace to go with the ball. He had no time all game aside from the one drive where Seattle may have been feeling sorry for us.

It sounds like, from the people who have looked at the All-22 tape, that there were open receivers deep for Manning, but the defense wasn't all that concerned about downfield shots and instead cheated toward the short passes and screens. I guess they were right.


Which is pretty much exactly what the Broncos did to Brady the game before.  Brady had some open recievers deep and and he took some shots but couldn't hit them.  A lot of that has to do with pressure though.  If you make a QB nervous they over default to short routes, usually crosses.  Even the elitist of the elite.
 
2014-02-07 05:09:35 PM  

rjakobi: They got a nose tackle named Pork Chop. They're okay.


I know his nickname is really Pot Roast but me and my nephews are big fans of Fensler Films so we always yell...

media.steampowered.com
 
2014-02-07 05:09:58 PM  

IAmRight: sotua: However, (an unexpectedly, I might say) Wilson torched them a few new assholes.

Perhaps some day people will notice that the Seahawks have a good passing offense - they just don't gun it 40x/game like other teams.


Oh, they do, and I really like Wilson as a passer, but during the playoff run they'd been a lot more reliant on the run game. Perhaps Denver focused too much on stopping Lynch and never saw it coming.
 
2014-02-07 05:15:49 PM  

sotua: IAmRight: sotua: However, (an unexpectedly, I might say) Wilson torched them a few new assholes.

Perhaps some day people will notice that the Seahawks have a good passing offense - they just don't gun it 40x/game like other teams.

Oh, they do, and I really like Wilson as a passer, but during the playoff run they'd been a lot more reliant on the run game. Perhaps Denver focused too much on stopping Lynch and never saw it coming.


Which, BTW, was awesome to watch. I know most people like a more contested game, but I do enjoy a clinical dismantling every now and then.
 
2014-02-07 05:20:08 PM  

Killer Cars: I'm actually not sure why Denver's defense has gotten as much heat as it has in the Super Bowl aftermath.

They were basically a league-average unit AND missing some key players, and when you combine that with watching your all-world offense completely sh*t yourselves and be unable to maintain drives, yeah, I'd eventually break down too.


Plus, you gotta give Wilson some credit.  He made some great throws to keep drives alive on third-and-longs, even with two or three defenders in his face.
 
2014-02-07 05:44:26 PM  

bighairyguy: He'll still be jobbing to Batista though.


well i'm glad that was taken care of fast
 
2014-02-07 05:59:10 PM  

Shame Us: whizbangthedirtfarmer: IAmRight: sotua: However, (an unexpectedly, I might say) Wilson torched them a few new assholes.

Perhaps some day people will notice that the Seahawks have a good passing offense - they just don't gun it 40x/game like other teams.

If I remember correctly, Seattle had the best offense in the "big play" categories, with gains of 15 or 20+ yards.  And we've seen it all season: if you give Wilson time (or if he creates his own time), and you keep focusing on Lynch, then he WILL burn you, and then some.  If you drop back to defend the pass, Lynch WILL burn you.  It's very much a pick your poison that forces the opposing defense to play well in all aspects on its game and never make a mistake.

It helped that Champ Bailey was really off his game too is old. He got burned a few times.


FTFY
 
2014-02-07 06:08:44 PM  

Arkanaut: Killer Cars: I'm actually not sure why Denver's defense has gotten as much heat as it has in the Super Bowl aftermath.

They were basically a league-average unit AND missing some key players, and when you combine that with watching your all-world offense completely sh*t yourselves and be unable to maintain drives, yeah, I'd eventually break down too.

Plus, you gotta give Wilson some credit.  He made some great throws to keep drives alive on third-and-longs, even with two or three defenders in his face.


I thought the damage he did with his legs when he scrambled for firsts on a couple key 3rd downs was even more devastating.  But either way that dick can seriously ball.
 
2014-02-07 06:17:50 PM  

AdamK: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Ow! That was my feelings!: rjakobi: They got a nose tackle named Pork Chop. Pot Roast They're okay.

The Broncos certainly need more D talent, but they didn't get whacked because of it. They got whacked because they can't/don't/won't run the damn ball and honestly, they choked. The moment was too big for them.

Congrats Hawks fans, that was an impressive beatdown.

Broncos fans should watch the NFL SFX presentation of the Super Bowl.  From the very start, the Broncos had absolutely no desire to win, and once Seattle challenged them, they just fell apart.  Seattle exposed a lot of their weaknesses, and all the Broncs could do was sit back and watch.  Hell, even John Fox was like ....uhhhhh... sometime around the second quarter.

\pretty sure the top 4 NFC teams would've thumped Denver
\\SF probably would have been high scoring

i wasn't surprised, the Broncos never played grind-it-out football this year, they weren't mentally or physically conditioned to handle that kind of adversity for 4 quarters... the Seahawks have been playing that brand of football for years and snuffed out that offense quickly... the Bronco defense still played fine, they only allowed 13 points in the first half which isn't a blowout, but when the offense and special teams are -15 points in a matter of seconds there's not much point in fighting the inevitable


The Broncos running game never got on track this year.  We lost one of the best left tackles in the league and 2 or 3 centers right off the bat and our younger running backs had really bad situational fumbilitis.  Knowshon put in a great effort this year but he's not a work-horse back that you can just ride like for entire stretches of the game like Lynch for example.  I think it's key we get that going.  We have a old ass quarterback and we should start saving him some wear and tear even if he is PFM and just had his best year.
 
2014-02-07 07:46:38 PM  
If Denver is going to get their as pounded in New Jersey they should hire Snooky instead
 
2014-02-07 07:57:16 PM  

Killer Cars: I'm actually not sure why Denver's defense has gotten as much heat as it has in the Super Bowl aftermath.

They were basically a league-average unit AND missing some key players, and when you combine that with watching your all-world offense completely sh*t yourselves and be unable to maintain drives, yeah, I'd eventually break down too.


Because they're not Peyton.
 
2014-02-07 08:09:46 PM  
Dude needs to bring back the leather jacket.
 
2014-02-07 08:56:57 PM  

IAmRight: Anyway, Denver's defense is decent but it'd probably help if they had Harris and Miller healthy. Or if they had the extra $20 million or so that the Seahawks do because of the QB pay differential.


None of that helped. With a healthy defense I would have given us* a better chance, but likely a final score of 20-14 or 17-14 in the Seahawks' favor. As it was, I expected something akin to the Colts-Saints SB (albeit less in doubt). Good, close game with a late turnover by the Broncos sealing it for the Seahawks at 24-14 or so. I did not expect a boring blowout, but the better team showed just how much better they were.

*Yes, I know the writing conventions that certain farkers hold about using possessives with regards to teams, especially professional ones. I kindly say, fark off.
 
2014-02-07 10:02:12 PM  
There is no shame in losing to a far superior team in the Super Bowl.

/Charger fan.
//Been there.
///Once, I guess.
 
2014-02-07 11:53:08 PM  

Slackfumasta: Mikey1969: OK, I know Denver had the #1 Offense and Seattle the #1 Defense going into the game. What was Denver's overall defense rating for the season?

It doesn't matter; with a good enough offense you can easily win a Super Bowl.


Greatest show on turf, anyone?
 
2014-02-08 12:35:46 AM  
How to beat an amazing wide-open offense in the Superbowl:

Pressure the QB consistently with only four rushers, and rough up the receivers.  It's how the Giants beat the Pats in '07 and it's how Seattle beat the Broncos this year.

/easier said than done of course, but that seems to be the blueprint.
 
2014-02-08 05:03:14 AM  

Super Chronic: The Seahawks used to have a guy nicknamed Pork Chop (Floyd Womack), and for this reason alone I wish he were still there. Pork Chop blocking Pot Roast.


pixel.nymag.com
 
2014-02-08 02:35:39 PM  

Brokenseas: How to beat an amazing wide-open offense in the Superbowl:

Pressure the QB consistently with only four rushers, and rough up the receivers.  It's how the Giants beat the Pats in '07 and it's how Seattle beat the Broncos this year.

/easier said than done of course, but that seems to be the blueprint.


it's also how the Pats beat the Rams
 
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