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(The Raw Story)   Oklahoma restaurant won't serve 'freaks,' 'f*ggots,' the disabled and welfare recipients. . . For the last 44 years   (rawstory.com) divider line 726
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2014-02-07 01:42:19 PM
Well, that's his business model, and he's stayed in business for 44 years so... Oklahoma?
 
2014-02-07 01:44:15 PM

Calmamity: Well, that's his business model, and he's stayed in business for 44 years so... Oklahoma?


only two things come from oklahoma. and i don't see horns on him.
 
2014-02-07 01:46:08 PM
Oklahoman does the Oklahomiest thing possible, film at eleven.
 
2014-02-07 01:46:51 PM
Assholes always welcome
 
2014-02-07 01:48:25 PM
HE's a Libertarian's best friend.
 
2014-02-07 01:48:50 PM
Apparently he's not up on recent developments in the law, like say the public accomodation clause of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.   And I can just see him trying to claim he's not REALLy a racist in court and the opposing attorney producing "The restaurant's official t-shirt"  "{which} makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups. "


 I
 almost want to see that shirt now, and a picture of someone who thinks wearing it would be a good idea
 
2014-02-07 01:49:31 PM
RTFA

The official T-shirt WHAT?
 
2014-02-07 01:50:58 PM
he doesn't like "f*ggots, n*ggers, cripples and democrats." i'm guessing his CPAC invitation is on its way.

what a vile, subhuman piece of shiat. i really hope he dies a slow death from ass cancer.
 
2014-02-07 01:52:06 PM
That's a shame, your prices seem reasonable and I was really craving some fresh f*ggot with a side of country fried freak.
 
2014-02-07 01:52:11 PM
Long haired freaky people need not apply
 
2014-02-07 01:54:29 PM
ten bucks says this guy jerks himself to sleep every night thinking of terry crews in a thong.
 
2014-02-07 01:56:31 PM

Magorn: Apparently he's not up on recent developments in the law, like say the public accomodation clause of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.   And I can just see him trying to claim he's not REALLy a racist in court and the opposing attorney producing "The restaurant's official t-shirt"  "{which} makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups. "


 I almost want to see that shirt now, and a picture of someone who thinks wearing it would be a good idea


There's a few photos around 1:50 in the video.

A sit-in by a bunch of wounded and disabled veterans from Fort Sill should be good for some lulz.
 
2014-02-07 01:59:25 PM
Signs signs everywhere the signs
 
2014-02-07 02:01:16 PM
He doesn't serve Democrats either.
 
2014-02-07 02:02:52 PM
No marijuana, LSD, long shaggy hair, beads or sandals! And no makin a party out of lovin!

Around here, we still respect the college Dean.
 
2014-02-07 02:03:10 PM

FlashHarry: he doesn't like "f*ggots, n*ggers, cripples and democrats." i'm guessing his CPAC invitation is on its way.

what a vile, subhuman piece of shiat. i really hope he dies a slow death from ass cancer.


how's he feel about shiatkickers and Methodists?
 
2014-02-07 02:04:54 PM

Magorn: how's he feel about shiatkickers and Methodists?


well, he won't take the irish. that much we know.
 
2014-02-07 02:06:20 PM
"Would you call me a chink?"  said the non-chink woman.
 
2014-02-07 02:07:51 PM
They won't serve them around here, either. I don't know where to get a good french fried f*ggot sandwich with n*gger sauce anymore.
 
2014-02-07 02:08:44 PM
So he doesn't like the guy in the wheelchair cause he's on disability?

that is pretty farked up.
 
2014-02-07 02:13:46 PM
I don't make a habit of wishing for a person to soon suffer an agonizing, painful death, but I'm willing to make an exception for this asshole.
 
2014-02-07 02:18:39 PM
I'll bet money he's hoping for somebody to set fire to the place so he can retire on the sweet, sweet insurance payout.
 
2014-02-07 02:22:19 PM

Torgo_of_Manos: "Would you call me a chink?"  said the non-chink woman.


meh. she might've had a bit of chink in her.
 
2014-02-07 02:22:45 PM
I have a hunch he votes Republican, but this could be one of the deep cover DNC operatives I hear so much about.
 
2014-02-07 02:23:07 PM
That's his problem. Not mine.

Or yours.
 
2014-02-07 02:24:28 PM

brap: That's a shame, your prices seem reasonable and I was really craving some fresh f*ggot with a side of country fried freak.


The f*gcargot is simply sublime.

/This guy needs to DIAF
 
2014-02-07 02:29:58 PM
Gosh, Oklahoma must be a nice place to never visit ever.
 
2014-02-07 02:30:35 PM
Subby, I think you mean that one guy forgot to take his sign down, since everyone knows that nobody in Oklahoma does those things
 
2014-02-07 02:30:41 PM

Torgo_of_Manos: "Would you call me a chink?"  said the non-chink woman.


What, she can't call one her own damn self?

She must be a cripple.
 
2014-02-07 02:31:08 PM
And those long-haired freaky people need not apply!
 
2014-02-07 02:31:12 PM
Also, with those kind of rules, how the hell do you find restaurant workers?
 
2014-02-07 02:32:03 PM

brap: That's a shame, your prices seem reasonable and I was really craving some fresh f*ggot with a side of country fried freak.


The Blue Plate Special is only on Tuesdays.
 
2014-02-07 02:32:07 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Long haired freaky people need not apply


Damn you!
 
2014-02-07 02:32:24 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: Also, with those kind of rules, how the hell do you find restaurant workers?


Attend a local KKK rally?
 
2014-02-07 02:33:08 PM
Good for them.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-02-07 02:33:17 PM
I guess since I'm a 'big city wop-greaseball-dago' my welcome was worn out retroactively?
 
2014-02-07 02:34:11 PM
Meh, if a restaurant want's to deliberately limit it's customer base, I say let them. Maybe we need laws for special circumstances (Ex. You have to let someone use your phone in case of an emergency), but otherwise I'm OK with racist business owners running racist businesses, just don't expect me to use their services.
 
2014-02-07 02:35:02 PM
Obvious tag get refused service?  It's Oklahoma.
 
2014-02-07 02:35:05 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: That's his problem. Not mine.

Or yours.


Problems are made for correcting.
 
2014-02-07 02:35:17 PM
THANKS OBAMA
 
2014-02-07 02:35:19 PM
And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.
 
2014-02-07 02:35:27 PM

James!: Gosh, Oklahoma must be a nice place to never visit ever.


my BIL is from Oklahoma.

/It explains a lot about him.
 
2014-02-07 02:35:53 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: That's his problem. Not mine.

Or yours.


The Civil Rights Act and ADA disagree.
 
2014-02-07 02:35:57 PM
But it looks like such a quality establishment!
 
2014-02-07 02:35:59 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: Also, with those kind of rules, how the hell do you find restaurant workers?


Hang out at the prison exit?
 
2014-02-07 02:36:03 PM
A thousand ADA lawyers just licked their chops.
 
2014-02-07 02:37:10 PM

Sgt Otter: A sit-in by a bunch of wounded and disabled veterans from Fort Sill should be good for some lulz.


Better yet, some black Muslim gay wounded vets.
 
GBB [TotalFark]
2014-02-07 02:37:22 PM
Strangely, droids are OK with him.
 
2014-02-07 02:37:27 PM
1) Wait until the dinner crowd is all there.
2) Chain the doors from the outside.
3) Apply gasoline and road flares.
4) Profit!
 
2014-02-07 02:37:38 PM

Virtuoso80: Meh, if a restaurant want's to deliberately limit it's customer base, I say let them. Maybe we need laws for special circumstances (Ex. You have to let someone use your phone in case of an emergency), but otherwise I'm OK with racist business owners running racist businesses, just don't expect me to use their services.


The problem with that is that, once you open the door to discrimination in public accomodations, there is a risk of whole areas being off-limits to whatever class is being discriminated against.  The  Civil Rights Act didn't happen in a vacuum.
 
2014-02-07 02:37:47 PM
One could only hope that his business would eventually dry up... but unfortunately he is in Oklahoma, so I can see him in business for the rest of his life.
 
2014-02-07 02:38:18 PM
wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net
 
2014-02-07 02:38:30 PM
Knew this was a typical republican christian before even clicking. Useless piece of shiat.
 
2014-02-07 02:38:54 PM
Ok, I'll bite....

As this is Oklahoma we're talking about, I'm not surprised by the "freaks, 'f*****s, and welfare recipients"... but the disabled? That's ... really.... low.
 
2014-02-07 02:39:02 PM
So I put on my (legal) suit and said "imagine that?"
 
2014-02-07 02:39:03 PM
Found location for next Oklahoma FARK party.
 
2014-02-07 02:39:06 PM
As much as I disagree with this man's business practices...  I guess it's his choice to be a farking idiot.  I never even heard of this shiat hole restaurant and I live here.
 
2014-02-07 02:39:09 PM

Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.



When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?
 
2014-02-07 02:39:11 PM
What a shiathole of a restaurant. Like a gay person would even step foot in there.
 
2014-02-07 02:39:42 PM
0.tqn.com
 
2014-02-07 02:39:50 PM
Unavailable for comment, preparing a DMCA suit:

strathdee.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-07 02:40:04 PM
Why am I not surprised that it's a shiathole?
 
2014-02-07 02:40:07 PM

dwrash: One could only hope that his business would eventually dry up... but unfortunately he is in Oklahoma, so I can see him in business for the rest of his life.


I have the feeling this guy has just been flying under the radar. I have seen this story all over the media the last couple of days, and it's even on broadcast TV. We'll see how easy his life is in the spotlight.
 
2014-02-07 02:40:41 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Problems are made for correcting.


So you're the self appointed "fix other people's problems" guy eh? Good to know your house is 100% squared away.

El_Perro: The Civil Rights Act and ADA disagree.


I suppose so. Good to see that we are about to spend a bunch of money trying to change an asshole in Enid Oklahoma that you and I never knew existed before today.
 
2014-02-07 02:40:51 PM
While this guy is a USDA Grade 'AA' asshole, he is the sole proprietor of the joint and has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. However, if he remodels the joint, he'll have to damn sure make sure he'
s up to code with ADA compliance whether he allows disabled people in or not.
 
2014-02-07 02:41:05 PM
You're really missing out, libs.  Gary's Chicaro Club is the finest dining in all of Enid, Oklahoma, and you don't have to get all dressed up to go there like you do for the Sizzler.
 
2014-02-07 02:41:08 PM
James told KFOR that he's owned Gary's Chicaros for 44 years, so he "think[s] I can spot a freak or a f*ggot."
The restaurant's official t-shirt makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups.



LOL. You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it. Of course, he's probably just talking shiat from a safe place. He's in shiatkick, OK. He's not going to have many interactions with any of the people who he has "banned" from his resturant. Therefore, being financially secure, he feels that he can express these views. All I ask for is honesty. Your wish is granted, sir. I do not wish to give you any of my money any more than you apparently want to take it.
 
2014-02-07 02:41:08 PM
I also like how the dude in the wheelchair was fine with the guy's views until he got discriminated against.
 
2014-02-07 02:41:10 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What a shiathole of a restaurant. Like a gay person would even step foot in there.


Are you saying it's not a happy place?
 
2014-02-07 02:41:25 PM
Who washes the dishes?
 
2014-02-07 02:42:17 PM

Virtuoso80: Meh, if a restaurant want's to deliberately limit it's customer base, I say let them. Maybe we need laws for special circumstances (Ex. You have to let someone use your phone in case of an emergency), but otherwise I'm OK with racist business owners running racist businesses, just don't expect me to use their services.


You're OK with it. The law, on the other hand, isn't.
 
2014-02-07 02:42:18 PM
Everyone hates him, but he's not allowed to hate anyone.
 
2014-02-07 02:42:33 PM

html_007: As much as I disagree with this man's business practices...  I guess it's his choice to be a farking idiot.


Oh, he can be an idiot all he wants. He just can't run a business that's open to the public that way.
 
2014-02-07 02:42:52 PM

WTFDYW: While this guy is a USDA Grade 'AA' asshole, he is the sole proprietor of the joint and has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

images.sodahead.com

 
2014-02-07 02:43:01 PM

FlashHarry: he doesn't like "f*ggots, n*ggers, cripples and democrats." i'm guessing his CPAC invitation is on its way.

what a vile, subhuman piece of shiat. i really hope he dies a slow death from ass cancer.


fark that.  I hope people stop patronizing his restaurant, he is forced to close it down, goes fully broke, and ends up on welfare.
 
2014-02-07 02:43:07 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: Who washes the dishes?


His son/nephew.
 
2014-02-07 02:43:30 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Problems are made for correcting.

So you're the self appointed "fix other people's problems" guy eh? Good to know your house is 100% squared away.

El_Perro: The Civil Rights Act and ADA disagree.

I suppose so. Good to see that we are about to spend a bunch of money trying to change an asshole in Enid Oklahoma that you and I never knew existed before today.


Me too. Iove it when society makes examples of people who don't belong in human society. It's the same thing as the way you feel when a homeowner shoots a 13 year old black kid in the back for stealing a hubcap.
 
2014-02-07 02:43:53 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: Who washes the dishes?


Easy one...  Chinks!
 
2014-02-07 02:44:06 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Problems are made for correcting.

So you're the self appointed "fix other people's problems" guy eh? Good to know your house is 100% squared away.


Ahh yes, the good ole "You're not perfect, so stop trying to fix everyone else!" defense.

You do realize if everyone thought that way, NOTHING would ever change?
 
2014-02-07 02:44:28 PM

Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


Read the article... or at very least... read the Fark headline.

This is in Oklahoma, not "the South."
 
2014-02-07 02:44:32 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.


As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?
 
2014-02-07 02:44:53 PM
Do these articles get greened just to make Fark coastal liberals feel smug, superior?
 
2014-02-07 02:45:27 PM

give me doughnuts: thisisyourbrainonFark: Who washes the dishes?

His son/nephew.


Which, coincidentally, is the same person.
 
2014-02-07 02:45:29 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Problems are made for correcting.

So you're the self appointed "fix other people's problems" guy eh? Good to know your house is 100% squared away.



So, in your eyes, one has to be absolutely perfect before helping to solve the problems of others?  Nothing can be worked on concurrently?
 
2014-02-07 02:45:31 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Problems are made for correcting.

So you're the self appointed "fix other people's problems" guy eh? Good to know your house is 100% squared away.

El_Perro: The Civil Rights Act and ADA disagree.

I suppose so. Good to see that we are about to spend a bunch of money trying to change an asshole in Enid Oklahoma that you and I never knew existed before today.



So we shouldn't enforce laws when they're broken by "an asshole in Enid Oklahoma that you and I never knew existed before today."?  Got it.
 
2014-02-07 02:45:31 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: James told KFOR that he's owned Gary's Chicaros for 44 years, so he "think[s] I can spot a freak or a f*ggot."
The restaurant's official t-shirt makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups.


LOL. You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it. Of course, he's probably just talking shiat from a safe place. He's in shiatkick, OK. He's not going to have many interactions with any of the people who he has "banned" from his resturant. Therefore, being financially secure, he feels that he can express these views. All I ask for is honesty. Your wish is granted, sir. I do not wish to give you any of my money any more than you apparently want to take it.


Meh. It has entertainment value. The media can turn anything into a carnival fun ride - be interesting to see what they do with this guy.
 
2014-02-07 02:45:42 PM

WTFDYW: While this guy is a USDA Grade 'AA' asshole, he is the sole proprietor of the joint and has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. However, if he remodels the joint, he'll have to damn sure make sure he's up to code with ADA compliance whether he allows disabled people in or not.


You clearly don't understand the idea of a "protected class".  There's a lot of reasons that don't legally fit in "any reason", and this guy seems to have hit damn near all of them.
 
2014-02-07 02:45:59 PM
I hope a gay, Democrat, Muslim, in a wheelchair shows up to eat there. Like the Voltron of hated minorities....
 
2014-02-07 02:46:13 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Problems are made for correcting.

So you're the self appointed "fix other people's problems" guy eh? Good to know your house is 100% squared away.

El_Perro: The Civil Rights Act and ADA disagree.

I suppose so. Good to see that we are about to spend a bunch of money trying to change an asshole in Enid Oklahoma that you and I never knew existed before today.


So if we give a pass to this guy, we give a pass to everyone. Why even have the law in the first place?
 
2014-02-07 02:46:33 PM

sendtodave: Do these articles get greened just to make Fark coastal liberals feel smug, superior?


Either that or to make places stuck in the 1950s look stupid.
 
2014-02-07 02:46:39 PM

meathome: James!: Gosh, Oklahoma must be a nice place to never visit ever.

my BIL is from Oklahoma.

/It explains a lot about him.


I've lived in Oklahoma for 20 years.  Oh, the stories I can tell about the native populace.


/Can't wait to leave.
 
2014-02-07 02:46:51 PM
That place must have friggin' awesome food to want to go to a place that looks like a run-down shack and has an owner like that.
 
2014-02-07 02:46:59 PM
Dancin_In_Anson:

I suppose so. Good to see that we are about to spend a bunch of money trying to change an asshole in Enid Oklahoma that you and I never knew existed before today.


So when you discover one roach in your home you just let it be, until such a time as there are many roaches?  I like your lackadaisical approach to problem solving.
 
2014-02-07 02:47:04 PM
the last time I was in Oklahoma I recall seeing an add for a resturaunt with the initials KKK  Kountry Kitchen Krab house,   yeah, kkkh,   didn't seem like a very friendly sort of place.
 
2014-02-07 02:47:06 PM

Arumat: WTFDYW: While this guy is a USDA Grade 'AA' asshole, he is the sole proprietor of the joint and has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. However, if he remodels the joint, he'll have to damn sure make sure he's up to code with ADA compliance whether he allows disabled people in or not.

You clearly don't understand the idea of a "protected class".  There's a lot of reasons that don't legally fit in "any reason", and this guy seems to have hit damn near all of them.


To be fair, "protected classes" are a pretty recent legal fiction.  Just 50 years old, give or take.
 
2014-02-07 02:47:09 PM

sendtodave: Do these articles get greened just to make Fark coastal liberals feel smug, superior?


I already feel superior in a myriad of ways from my looks to my income.  These articles just prove me right.
 
2014-02-07 02:47:15 PM
From the linked article:

Gard said, "He doesn't like certain people of race, color, ethnicity."

Gard was a regular at Gary's Chicaros restaurant for years.


He said he turned a blind eye to the owner's choice of customers, until recently.

Gard said, "Now, he tried to find a weak excuse not to let me in with my wheelchair or the weak excuse of having loud people with me."

So, sorry for your disability.  But you're kind of an asshole, too.
 
2014-02-07 02:47:21 PM
but i thought we didn't need any kind of regulations or civil rights laws because the free market would have driven people like this out of business
 
2014-02-07 02:47:47 PM

Dragonflew: WTFDYW: While this guy is a USDA Grade 'AA' asshole, he is the sole proprietor of the joint and has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

[images.sodahead.com image 350x272]


Prove me wrong and I'll stand corrected but don't give me BS that you think you heard from someone three cubicles over.
 
2014-02-07 02:47:48 PM

Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?


img.fark.net
 
2014-02-07 02:47:51 PM

Virtuoso80: Meh, if a restaurant want's to deliberately limit it's customer base, I say let them. Maybe we need laws for special circumstances (Ex. You have to let someone use your phone in case of an emergency), but otherwise I'm OK with racist business owners running racist businesses, just don't expect me to use their services.


I kinda agree with this; free-market public shaming should be effective usually, but...

El_Perro: The problem with that is that, once you open the door to discrimination in public accomodations, there is a risk of whole areas being off-limits to whatever class is being discriminated against. The Civil Rights Act didn't happen in a vacuum.


...there is of course historical precedent for why this can be bad.

Dragonflew: Knew this was a typical republican christian before even clicking. Useless piece of shiat.


Well it was kinda obvious.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I also like how the dude in the wheelchair was fine with the guy's views until he got discriminated against.


LOL
 
2014-02-07 02:48:19 PM

darwinpolice: FlashHarry: he doesn't like "f*ggots, n*ggers, cripples and democrats." i'm guessing his CPAC invitation is on its way.

what a vile, subhuman piece of shiat. i really hope he dies a slow death from ass cancer.

fark that.  I hope people stop patronizing his restaurant, he is forced to close it down, goes fully broke, and ends up on welfare.


Give this like two weeks to gain momentum. The Intenet Chilrens brigade, a/k/a 4Chan will lay into said shiatheap with some major annoyance. Deliveries, etc.

something.

/lulz

// lulz for a farking long ass while
 
2014-02-07 02:48:19 PM
FTFV in TFA:

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-07 02:48:53 PM
Oklahoma is the only State to have its Capital stolen and moved in the middle of the night from Guthrie to Oklahoma City. Also Guthrie has an original Carnegie Library and the Largest Masonic Temple in the World. Watonga, OK has more rattle snakes than people.

Boise City, Oklahoma was the only city in the United States to be bombed in WWII. On Monday night, July 5, 1943, at 12:30 a.m., a B-17 Bomber based at Dalhart Army Air Base, Texas, dropped six practice bombs on the sleeping town, mistaking the city lights as target lights.
 
2014-02-07 02:49:03 PM
Just wait till crippletron shows up
whatculture.com
 
2014-02-07 02:49:15 PM

sendtodave: Arumat: WTFDYW: While this guy is a USDA Grade 'AA' asshole, he is the sole proprietor of the joint and has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. However, if he remodels the joint, he'll have to damn sure make sure he's up to code with ADA compliance whether he allows disabled people in or not.

You clearly don't understand the idea of a "protected class".  There's a lot of reasons that don't legally fit in "any reason", and this guy seems to have hit damn near all of them.

To be fair, "protected classes" are a pretty recent legal fiction.  Just 50 years old, give or take.


Yeah, right - you run with that.
 
2014-02-07 02:49:17 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Problems are made for correcting.

So you're the self appointed "fix other people's problems" guy eh?


Well people like you are a bit workshy, somebody has to do the job.

Good to know your house is 100% squared away.

This gentleman is free to take umbrage at my poorly manicured lawn if he likes. Won't change what he's up to.
 
2014-02-07 02:49:22 PM

Theaetetus: sendtodave: Do these articles get greened just to make Fark coastal liberals feel smug, superior?

Either that or to make places stuck in the 1950s look stupid.


Some would say that the 50s were America's best time.
 
2014-02-07 02:49:37 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: So you're the self appointed "fix other people's problems" guy eh? Good to know your house is 100% squared away.


Because there can be no middle ground. It's all or nothing, right? No problem should ever be fixed, because someone else already has a problem.

Jesus, you are a waste of skin.
 
2014-02-07 02:50:32 PM

neversubmit: Boise City, Oklahoma was the only city in the United States to be bombed in WWII


I am thinking the whole state needs to be bombed.  72 hours notice, you have to score a triple digit IQ to leave the state and be spared.
 
2014-02-07 02:50:39 PM
I tucked my hair up under my hat and went in to ask him why
 
2014-02-07 02:50:45 PM

sendtodave: Do these articles get greened just to make Fark coastal liberals feel smug, superior?


Don't forget sneering!
 
2014-02-07 02:50:53 PM

sendtodave: Theaetetus: sendtodave: Do these articles get greened just to make Fark coastal liberals feel smug, superior?

Either that or to make places stuck in the 1950s look stupid.

Some would say that the 50s were America's best time.


And are the people saying that all Christian white males over the age of 60?

/or was it because we had a top marginal tax rate of 90% back then?
 
2014-02-07 02:51:13 PM
Yeah, I read this earlier and thought about submitting it. I just couldn't think of an appropriate headline for this asshole.

Talk about a douche, and his restaurant is a total shiathole...

Especially with the cat roaming free in the kitchen there.
 
2014-02-07 02:51:17 PM

FlashHarry: he doesn't like "f*ggots, n*ggers, cripples and democrats." i'm guessing his CPAC invitation is on its way.

what a vile, subhuman piece of shiat. i really hope he dies a slow death from ass cancer.


So, your hate for him is somehow more acceptable than his hate for others?
 
2014-02-07 02:51:21 PM
I'm sure no one was ever paid under the table and all their tax filings have been legit. No need to audit them.
 
2014-02-07 02:51:31 PM

Magorn: Apparently he's not up on recent developments in the law, like say the public accomodation clause of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.   And I can just see him trying to claim he's not REALLy a racist in court and the opposing attorney producing "The restaurant's official t-shirt"  "{which} makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups. "


 I almost want to see that shirt now, and a picture of someone who thinks wearing it would be a good idea


Right now it appears that the law they can get him with would be Title III of the Americans with Disabilities Act:

Matt Gard claims that the owner of Gary's Chicaros restaurant, Gary James, banned him from the restaurant because of his wheelchair.
 
2014-02-07 02:51:44 PM
What an insufferable d*ckbag. I don't wish bad things on anyone, but maybe he will lose the ability to walk and have to collect disability.

The horror!!

Not all Okies are arseholes, I swear. Sadly, there are people here who will applaud him and he may very well see an increase in business. Fark, if she could get away with it, the Governor might show up.

/haz a sad
//this guy is a doo-doo head
 
2014-02-07 02:52:01 PM

stiletto2: Just wait till crippletron shows up


You sir, have won this thread today... Made me laugh my farking arse off
 
2014-02-07 02:52:05 PM

YouWinAgainGravity: but i thought we didn't need any kind of regulations or civil rights laws because the free market would have driven people like this out of business


I demand the right to patronize this guy's business! How dare he stop me from giving him money even though he hate me.
 
2014-02-07 02:52:12 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

[img.fark.net image 243x207]


Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!
 
2014-02-07 02:52:18 PM
Look at all this uproar...

Guys... he's cashing in on the Chic-fil-a/Duck Dynasty marketing scheme. Make a public spectacle spouting some insanely bigoted crap, cry "Freedom! (of speech)" and watch millions upon millions flock to your business "to show their support of Freedom(TM)".
 
2014-02-07 02:52:21 PM
Nor does he cotton to men wearing hats indoors or  men with all kinds of metal in their face, whatever that means.

And what in sam hill is a chicaro?

I wonder how that election he ran in turned out.
 
2014-02-07 02:52:25 PM
This story also makes me think of the song The Uneasy Rider eventhough it's the wrong region of the country.
 
2014-02-07 02:52:32 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I also like how the dude in the wheelchair was fine with the guy's views until he got discriminated against.


A page and a half until this was rightly pointed out. Fark, I am disappoint.
 
2014-02-07 02:53:08 PM

darwinpolice: fark that. I hope people stop patronizing his restaurant, he is forced to close it down, goes fully broke, and ends up on welfare.


And in a wheelchair.

/farking karma, how does it work?
 
2014-02-07 02:53:26 PM

teenytinycornteeth: DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

[img.fark.net image 243x207]

Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!


Yea, that dude is such a dick.
 
2014-02-07 02:53:33 PM
I wonder if the t-shirts will still threaten violence against minorities after whites become minorities.
 
2014-02-07 02:53:53 PM

trickymoo: Ok, I'll bite....

As this is Oklahoma we're talking about, I'm not surprised by the "freaks, 'f*****s, and welfare recipients"... but the disabled? That's ... really.... low.


He's apparently lumping them in with welfare recipients (if drawing disability checks).
 
2014-02-07 02:54:03 PM
The lesson from all of this is: You can be the most hateful person on the planet, just make sure you hate the right people.
 
2014-02-07 02:54:12 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: sendtodave: Do these articles get greened just to make Fark coastal liberals feel smug, superior?

Don't forget sneering!


Dammit!

I always forget the sneering!
 
2014-02-07 02:54:32 PM
Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.
 
2014-02-07 02:54:53 PM
There is a chain in Columbia, SC called Miyo's that I won't eat at after hearing numerous reports of the owner being a biatch to certain peoples.

A friend of my wife's said she was shooed out of the restaurant for asking about allergens- allegedly she was told "people with allergies should not eat out and arnt welcome at her restaurant."

Shame. They have quite nice food.

Then there is Maurice's BBQ where the owner used to distribute kkk pamphlets.
 
2014-02-07 02:55:07 PM

neversubmit: Oklahoma is the only State to have its Capital stolen and moved in the middle of the night from Guthrie to Oklahoma City. Also Guthrie has an original Carnegie Library and the Largest Masonic Temple in the World. Watonga, OK has more rattle snakes than people.

Boise City, Oklahoma was the only city in the United States to be bombed in WWII. On Monday night, July 5, 1943, at 12:30 a.m., a B-17 Bomber based at Dalhart Army Air Base, Texas, dropped six practice bombs on the sleeping town, mistaking the city lights as target lights.


Boise, ID approves of bombing Boise City, OK
 
2014-02-07 02:55:17 PM

sendtodave: Theaetetus: sendtodave: Do these articles get greened just to make Fark coastal liberals feel smug, superior?

Either that or to make places stuck in the 1950s look stupid.

Some would say that the 50s were America's best time.


Only straight white christian males who remember leave it to beaver and not what was actually going on at the time. Everyone else pretty much got shafted... Which explains why regressives want to "go back"...
 
2014-02-07 02:55:22 PM
No place with such a great musical named after it should be that un-fabulous.
 
2014-02-07 02:55:44 PM
I'm surprised the reporter got such clear quotes from him. The kkk hood usually muffles their words.

/and their wits.
 
2014-02-07 02:55:46 PM

teenytinycornteeth: DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

[img.fark.net image 243x207]

Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!


Lady parts aren't actually called pussies, ya know? It's slang that has taken on it's own context.
 
2014-02-07 02:55:56 PM

CeroX: Look at all this uproar...

Guys... he's cashing in on the Chic-fil-a/Duck Dynasty marketing scheme. Make a public spectacle spouting some insanely bigoted crap, cry "Freedom! (of speech)" and watch millions upon millions flock to your business "to show their support of Freedom(TM)".


Good point... while all of us far-off types are thumbing our noses and wishing him all manner of papercuts and lost business, the yokels will circle the wagons around him knowing that their way of life is under attack and he is their beacon.

It could work... just look at Duck Dynasty's ratings... oh.
 
2014-02-07 02:55:56 PM

jso2897: . Iove it when society makes examples of people who don't belong in human society.


Da fuq?

scottydoesntknow: Ahh yes, the good ole "You're not perfect, so stop trying to fix everyone else!" defense.


There are bigger fish to fry that some asshole in Enid, Oklahoma.

teenytinycornteeth: So, in your eyes, one has to be absolutely perfect before helping to solve the problems of others?


This guy is beyond "help".

El_Perro: So we shouldn't enforce laws when they're broken by "an asshole in Enid Oklahoma that you and I never knew existed before today."?


FWIW, it's bullshiat to make this guy do something on his private property that he obviously doesn't want to do.

And before all you cool kids get your knickers in a twist over that look at it like this. Where you want to spend other peoples resources to make this asshole change, I see opportunity. Hell, build next to him and advertise to those that he would turn away! What a great marketing campaign AND you might even hurt his business. It's win all the way around!
 
2014-02-07 02:55:59 PM

scottydoesntknow: teenytinycornteeth: DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

[img.fark.net image 243x207]

Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!

Yea, that dude is such a dick.


Thank you, sir.
 
2014-02-07 02:56:06 PM

Theaetetus: sendtodave: Theaetetus: sendtodave: Do these articles get greened just to make Fark coastal liberals feel smug, superior?

Either that or to make places stuck in the 1950s look stupid.

Some would say that the 50s were America's best time.

And are the people saying that all Christian white males over the age of 60?

/or was it because we had a top marginal tax rate of 90% back then?


 Greatest Generation.  Show some respect.
 
2014-02-07 02:56:15 PM

Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.


Why would you want to drink at the whites only fountain? Its the same water supply!
 
2014-02-07 02:56:32 PM

Zeppelininthesky: Why even have the law in the first place?


Good question.
 
2014-02-07 02:56:40 PM
Looks like an opportunity for someone to put up a nice wine bar across the street. Some zinfandel, some goat cheese.... Let the market decide.
 
2014-02-07 02:57:19 PM
More power to him. If you don't like it, don't go there. Apply the same logic that people use when others complain about movies and TV shows. Don't like it? Don't watch it. Bunch of over-sensitive pussies.
 
2014-02-07 02:57:22 PM
www.nashvillescene.com
the owners refused to comment further on their policies
 
2014-02-07 02:57:30 PM

Virtuoso80: Meh, if a restaurant want's to deliberately limit it's customer base, I say let them. Maybe we need laws for special circumstances (Ex. You have to let someone use your phone in case of an emergency), but otherwise I'm OK with racist business owners running racist businesses, just don't expect me to use their services.


Absolutely - some people just need to learn their place, amiright?
www.spokesmanreview.com

www.popularresistance.org
 
2014-02-07 02:57:40 PM
No-name establishment in one of the southern plains most progressive cities outs itself on regional television as a front for hate.  Knowing the differences between Portland and OKC in terms of diversity and acceptance, I'm thinking this place will close faster than that bakery in Gresham that wouldn't make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple.

Congratulations, guy, hope you saved for retirement.  Good luck with the ADA lawsuit.
 
2014-02-07 02:57:59 PM

Virtuoso80: Meh, if a restaurant want's to deliberately limit it's customer base, I say let them. Maybe we need laws for special circumstances (Ex. You have to let someone use your phone in case of an emergency), but otherwise I'm OK with racist business owners running racist businesses, just don't expect me to use their services.


Of course, it's guys like him who gripe the most about the imaginary discrimination i.e. The war on Christians/Christmas/Rednecks etc. SOS, it's the entire essence of the far right: a free pass to act any way they choose,  while crying lil' biatches if someone sings a song all un-'murican.  Someone needs to give this guy a Cleveland Steamer, post haste.
 
2014-02-07 02:58:21 PM
At 1:30 in video: Cats welcome there.
 
2014-02-07 02:58:23 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: There are bigger fish to fry that some asshole in Enid, Oklahoma.


There will ALWAYS be bigger fish to fry. But not focusing on the small fish from time to time will cause them to grow into big fish that do become a major problem. Why not stop it right now?
 
2014-02-07 02:58:32 PM

teenytinycornteeth: DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

[img.fark.net image 243x207]

Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!


She's got you there Dro, if you're going to go Tumblr Social Justice Warrior, you have go the whole 9.

/Aint no such thing as halfway Tumblrinas.
/Check your privilege
//Ok, I'll stop now.
 
2014-02-07 02:59:17 PM

Sgt Otter: A sit-in by a bunch of wounded and disabled veterans from Fort Sill should be good for some lulz.


Probably couldn't be hard to pull off, either, given that Occupy Oklahoma and Occupy Tulsa were easily the longest lasting and must entrenched camps largely because of the vets.
 
2014-02-07 02:59:18 PM
Picture of the restaurant owner...

blogs.houstonpress.com

I do not look down on n*ggers, kikes, wops or greasers. Here you are all equally worthless...
 
2014-02-07 02:59:38 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Problems are made for correcting.

So you're the self appointed "fix other people's problems" guy eh? Good to know your house is 100% squared away.


I think as long as said house doesn't have a problem with gays or gimps, stones can safely be thrown in this case.
 
2014-02-07 02:59:48 PM
static1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-02-07 02:59:49 PM

sendtodave: Do these articles get greened just to make Fark coastal liberals feel smug, superior?


You bet!  Expect a pic of Gen. Sherman with the usual caption before the thread closes.  Or if not this thread, the next one to be greened...likely within the next 15 minutes or so.

/lib from the actual south
//don't ever recall hearing anything about Oklahoma being a southern state
 
2014-02-07 02:59:57 PM

give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States
 
2014-02-07 03:00:02 PM

give me doughnuts: 1) Wait until the dinner crowd is all there.
2) Chain the doors from the outside.
3) Apply gasoline and road flares.
4) Profit!


i2.cdnds.net
 
2014-02-07 03:00:12 PM

teenytinycornteeth: DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

[img.fark.net image 243x207]

Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!


Oh for fark's sake.  "Pussy" in that context has nothing to do with the female anatomy.  That may be its origin, but in today's vernacular, it no longer refers to a vagina.  Stop your whining.
 
2014-02-07 03:00:33 PM
Time for a sit in

3dblogger.typepad.com
 
2014-02-07 03:00:41 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: scottydoesntknow: teenytinycornteeth: DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

[img.fark.net image 243x207]

Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!

Yea, that dude is such a dick.

Thank you, sir.


What an asshole.
 
2014-02-07 03:00:48 PM

FlashHarry: he doesn't like "f*ggots, n*ggers, cripples and democrats." i'm guessing his CPAC invitation is on its way.

what a vile, subhuman piece of shiat. i really hope he dies a slow death from ass cancer.


I'd like to see a disabled veteran wheel up there and beat the pi$$ out of him.
 
2014-02-07 03:00:51 PM
He's just a typical Republican.
 
2014-02-07 03:01:16 PM

Baloo Uriza: No-name establishment in one of the southern plains most progressive cities outs itself on regional television as a front for hate. Knowing the differences between Portland and OKC in terms of diversity and acceptance, I'm thinking this place will close faster than that bakery in Gresham that wouldn't make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple.


Did you not see the t-shirt? I pretty sure it wasn't a secret.
 
2014-02-07 03:01:22 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: And before all you cool kids get your knickers in a twist over that look at it like this. Where you want to spend other peoples resources to make this asshole change, I see opportunity. Hell, build next to him and advertise to those that he would turn away! What a great marketing campaign AND you might even hurt his business. It's win all the way around!


Is your house in order? Why do you want to mess with this person?
 
2014-02-07 03:01:31 PM

Baloo Uriza: No-name establishment in one of the southern plains most progressive cities outs itself on regional television as a front for hate.  Knowing the differences between Portland and OKC in terms of diversity and acceptance, I'm thinking this place will close faster than that bakery in Gresham that wouldn't make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple.

Congratulations, guy, hope you saved for retirement.  Good luck with the ADA lawsuit.


It makes me wonder how well his restaurant and views would go over in Tulsa.
 
2014-02-07 03:01:58 PM

bigpeeler: More power to him. If you don't like it, don't go there. Apply the same logic that people use when others complain about movies and TV shows. Don't like it? Don't watch it. Bunch of over-sensitive pussies.


And apply that same logic to other business owners who have been wanting to deny entry to people of different race, creed, nationality, age, etc. in a public place.

You do realize this can snowball very quickly. If they don't quash it now, it will set a precedent that it's okay to discriminate.

The similarities between this and biatching about a movie/TV show are pretty much nil.
 
2014-02-07 03:02:02 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Zeppelininthesky: Why even have the law in the first place?

Good question.


img.fark.net

That. That is why. And where was that? In the small fish city of Greensboro, North Carolina.
 
2014-02-07 03:02:07 PM

sendtodave: Theaetetus: sendtodave: Do these articles get greened just to make Fark coastal liberals feel smug, superior?

Either that or to make places stuck in the 1950s look stupid.

Some would say that the 50s were America's best time.


Some would be idiots.

It was a decent time for middle class* and wealthy white males.

* Those who didn't get drafted and sent to Korea
 
2014-02-07 03:02:33 PM

coeyagi: FTFV in TFA:

[img.fark.net image 673x377]


Aflico?  Is that for people that have AFLAC or for members of AFL-CIO?
 
2014-02-07 03:03:24 PM

James!: Gosh, Oklahoma must be a nice place to never visit ever.


This guy's actually more representative of the attitudes that drove me  to Oklahoma from Portland.  Safe to say, this asshole's in a very small minority, particularly in the big metro regions.
 
2014-02-07 03:03:29 PM

scottydoesntknow: Why not stop it right now?


You will NEVER stop it.

Bloody William: I think as long as said house doesn't have a problem with gays or gimps, stones can safely be thrown in this case.


I'm sure he has a problem with someone over something. But it's probably not a designated "someone" so it's all good right?
 
2014-02-07 03:03:40 PM

YouWinAgainGravity: but i thought we didn't need any kind of regulations or civil rights laws because the free market would have driven people like this out of business


The free market drove him to Enid, Oklahoma. Close enough. I guess this is the place.  Le Cirque it ain't.

Something tells me the Steak Bigot won't ever be as well-received as the Soup Nazi.
 
2014-02-07 03:03:44 PM

Bloody William: Dancin_In_Anson: Zeppelininthesky: Why even have the law in the first place?

Good question.

[img.fark.net image 400x332]

That. That is why. And where was that? In the small fish city of Greensboro, North Carolina.


Yeah, turns out that libertarians are farking stupid.
 
2014-02-07 03:03:44 PM
Patrick Sky had this covered 50 years ago.
 
2014-02-07 03:04:00 PM

Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States


From that article:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-07 03:04:17 PM

Magnanimous_J: The lesson from all of this is: You can be the most hateful person on the planet, just make sure you hate the right people.


The "right people" being pretty much limited to people who are evil, and do evil things.
There is no point in pretending that hating evil, harmful people is analogous to hating people because of the color of their skin, or their handicapped status. I think it's odd, and suspicious, that someone would attempt to pretend that.
 
2014-02-07 03:04:23 PM

LarryDan43: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

Why would you want to drink at the whites only fountain? Its the same water supply!


This is a far, far cry from segregated water fountains, but go ahead and hyperbole it up there, tiger.
 
2014-02-07 03:04:33 PM

Virtuoso80: (Ex. You have to let someone use your phone in case of an emergency)


Pretty sure that's already a law.
 
2014-02-07 03:04:35 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: That's his problem. Not mine.

Or yours.


So I take it you agree with Paul that the Civil Right's act is unfair and tyranny, and that discrimination based on race or gender should be allowed by businesses, yes?
 
2014-02-07 03:04:49 PM
If there truly were such a thing as a righteous and just god, this man would be struck with polio (or a car) and lose the use of his legs.  Alas, there's not.  I'm not advocating that somebody do that in his/her/its steed, but I would laugh if they did.
 
2014-02-07 03:05:07 PM

Swanji: teenytinycornteeth: DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

[img.fark.net image 243x207]

Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!

Oh for fark's sake.  "Pussy" in that context has nothing to do with the female anatomy.  That may be its origin, but in today's vernacular, it no longer refers to a vagina.  Stop your whining.


Listen, I don't give a rat's ass if he uses the term or not.  But the fact that he posted a picture of "I don't think that word means what you think it means" implies that there was no way that word could be construed as such.  When quite obviously it could since that's how the word began its life as an insult.
 
2014-02-07 03:05:34 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Dancin_In_Anson: And before all you cool kids get your knickers in a twist over that look at it like this. Where you want to spend other peoples resources to make this asshole change, I see opportunity. Hell, build next to him and advertise to those that he would turn away! What a great marketing campaign AND you might even hurt his business. It's win all the way around!

Is your house in order? Why do you want to mess with this person?


Because the vast majority of bigots are cowards and wouldn't actually do anything beyond flap their big mouths and masturbate furiously to the thought of other people paying attention to them.
 
2014-02-07 03:05:35 PM

patrick767: sendtodave: Theaetetus: sendtodave: Do these articles get greened just to make Fark coastal liberals feel smug, superior?

Either that or to make places stuck in the 1950s look stupid.

Some would say that the 50s were America's best time.

Some would be idiots.

It was a decent time for middle class* and wealthy white males.

* Those who didn't get drafted and sent to Korea


Aren't all times good for wealthy white males?

Hell, right now is totally friggen awesome for wealthy white males.  Middle class?  Not so much.
 
2014-02-07 03:05:47 PM

Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.



You're the one who is missing the point, sir. Many people have made sacrifices so that all people, no matter their race, would be treated equitably in establishments that serve the public. Its not that we all want to eat at this shiathole. The problem comes when Red Lobster or Ruth Chris decides that they should also be able to refuse service to people based on race or sexual orientation or when a private bus company decides that the seats in the front are now for whites only, again. The deal is, you get to use our public roads, fire department, and infrastructure so shut up about who you don't want to serve.

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-07 03:06:02 PM
Man turns away paying customers, losing their revenue? Sounds like he's been punished in exact proportion to the stupid crap he's pulling. I don't see a problem.
 
2014-02-07 03:06:37 PM
And this guy is considered a liberal here.
 
2014-02-07 03:07:47 PM

Felgraf: Dancin_In_Anson: That's his problem. Not mine.

Or yours.

So I take it you agree with Paul that the Civil Right's act is unfair and tyranny, and that discrimination based on race or gender should be allowed by businesses, yes?


You're not upset about discrimination based on race or gender, as long as the right people (in your opinion) are discriminated against.
 
2014-02-07 03:08:00 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: scottydoesntknow: Why not stop it right now?

You will NEVER stop it.

Bloody William: I think as long as said house doesn't have a problem with gays or gimps, stones can safely be thrown in this case.

I'm sure he has a problem with someone over something. But it's probably not a designated "someone" so it's all good right?


A problem with someone as an individual for their opinions or behavior is different than a problem with someone as an assumed characteristic of their identity. If someone has a problem with me being the sum of my actions and statements, that's a personal matter. If someone has a problem with me because of the color of my skin, the ethnicity of my parents, or the usability of my legs, that's a bigger problem. Specifically, it's a bigger problem that, if you'd acknowledge the Woolworth's counter photos in this thread, was only solved when legislation was passed to protect those designated "someones."
 
2014-02-07 03:08:01 PM
I think it is funny how all the self-proclaimed tolerant folks here are so intolerant of someone who they disagree with.
 
2014-02-07 03:08:13 PM

dragonchild: Obvious tag get refused service?  It's Oklahoma.


Obviously, you've never been here.  This guy's right on the Cheyenne-Arapaho Nation's doorstep, home of the first legally married same-sex couple in Oklahoma, thanks to cultural norms and legal situations in that Nation that really caused eyebrows to raise more on the side of "you mean nobody had done that before?" among folks in the know.  So, that's two things that totally grinds this guys gears:  indians and gays...
 
2014-02-07 03:08:15 PM

Swanji: LarryDan43: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

Why would you want to drink at the whites only fountain? Its the same water supply!

This is a far, far cry from segregated water fountains, but go ahead and hyperbole it up there, tiger.

 
2014-02-07 03:08:26 PM

jso2897: Magnanimous_J: The lesson from all of this is: You can be the most hateful person on the planet, just make sure you hate the right people.

The "right people" being pretty much limited to people who are evil, and do evil things.
There is no point in pretending that hating evil, harmful people is analogous to hating people because of the color of their skin, or their handicapped status. I think it's odd, and suspicious, that someone would attempt to pretend that.


"Evil..?"

Seriously?

Well, I guess if you are gonna be moralistic, you shouldn't half ass it.  I'm just not sure you are qualified to judge "good" or "evil" any more than that racist is.

Unless you think you are more advanced than he is.

That good ole American liberal hubris.  The rest of the world just needs to catch up to your way of thinking.
 
2014-02-07 03:08:42 PM

give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]


upload.wikimedia.org

I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.
 
2014-02-07 03:08:52 PM

bigpeeler: More power to him. If you don't like it, don't go there. Apply the same logic that people use when others complain about movies and TV shows. Don't like it? Don't watch it. Bunch of over-sensitive pussies.


Are you opposed to the Civil Rights Act or do you just not understand why we need it?
 
2014-02-07 03:09:18 PM

Grandemadaca: Sgt Otter: A sit-in by a bunch of wounded and disabled veterans from Fort Sill should be good for some lulz.

Better yet, some black Muslim gay wounded vets.


Bonus if they speak any of the tribal languages here.
 
2014-02-07 03:09:35 PM

ShawnKemp: I hope a A gay, Democrat, and a Muslim, in a wheelchair shows up in a rascist restaurant to eat there. Like the Voltron of hated minorities.... So the owner says, "Get the Fark out of here!"


Love that joke.
 
2014-02-07 03:09:42 PM
I'm hoping cosmic karma paralyzes this man from the chest down.

and he gets put in a nursing home

with a staunch wide-stancing GOP supporter as his nurse's aide


/if you know what I mean
 
2014-02-07 03:09:55 PM

Rapmaster2000: This photo from his google reviews is pretty sweet.

[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 642x404]
Looks like it's a Ben Philipi though, so this girl is doing this ironically.  Sorry, gun nerds.


She seriously needs to get some sun. A few sandwiches wouldn't hurt either.

/dude sounds like he would fit in nicely in North Korea
 
2014-02-07 03:10:12 PM

stuffy: Found location for next Oklahoma FARK party.


I'm game.  What's our backup venue?
 
2014-02-07 03:10:56 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: scottydoesntknow: Why not stop it right now?

You will NEVER stop it.

Bloody William: I think as long as said house doesn't have a problem with gays or gimps, stones can safely be thrown in this case.

I'm sure he has a problem with someone over something. But it's probably not a designated "someone" so it's all good right?


Never stop what? People being racist? That's true.

But you sure as hell CAN stop racist people from opening a public business and denying people entry simply because of their race. So why not do that?

Again, there will always be bigger fish to fry, but if you can fix a small problem right now, why not do it?
 
2014-02-07 03:10:56 PM

teenytinycornteeth: Swanji: teenytinycornteeth: DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

[img.fark.net image 243x207]

Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!

Oh for fark's sake.  "Pussy" in that context has nothing to do with the female anatomy.  That may be its origin, but in today's vernacular, it no longer refers to a vagina.  Stop your whining.

Listen, I don't give a rat's ass if he uses the term or not.  But the fact that he posted a picture of "I don't think that word means what you think it means" implies that there was no wa that word could be construed as such.  When quite obviously it could since that's how the word began its life as an insult.



I don't give a shiat about it...but I'm going to go back and forth about it because i thought i had caught him in a contradiction, but now since you say its not a contradiction I don't care anymore...but here's how its a contradiction."
 
2014-02-07 03:10:58 PM

Swanji: Felgraf: Dancin_In_Anson: That's his problem. Not mine.

Or yours.

So I take it you agree with Paul that the Civil Right's act is unfair and tyranny, and that discrimination based on race or gender should be allowed by businesses, yes?

You're not upset about discrimination based on race or gender, as long as the right people (in your opinion) are discriminated against.


Yeah - it's fine for a public accomodation to discriminate - if it is on a reasonable basis. Drunk? No shoes/shirt? Hiostory of starting fights in the establishment? Fine - discriminate.
Don't like someone's skin tone? Who they sleep with? their physical handicaps? Tough titty.
It's a matter of reasonable and unreasonable, legal and illegal.
 
2014-02-07 03:11:06 PM

Swanji: LarryDan43: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

Why would you want to drink at the whites only fountain? Its the same water supply!

This is a far, far cry from segregated water fountains, but go ahead and hyperbole it up there, tiger.


Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. "Who cares (because we're not actually in that area)" and "There are bigger fish to fry" is turning a blind eye to that injustice, letting it continue wherever it is.
 
2014-02-07 03:11:10 PM

Swanji: teenytinycornteeth: DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

[img.fark.net image 243x207]

Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!

Oh for fark's sake.  "Pussy" in that context has nothing to do with the female anatomy.  That may be its origin, but in today's vernacular, it no longer refers to a vagina.  Stop your whining.


Oh look, a Washington Redskin fan.
 
2014-02-07 03:11:35 PM

James!: Gosh, Oklahoma must be a nice place to never visit ever.


You're going to answer his challenge with prejudiced discrimination against a whole state?

/like a boss
 
2014-02-07 03:11:50 PM

teenytinycornteeth: Swanji: teenytinycornteeth: DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

[img.fark.net image 243x207]

Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!

Oh for fark's sake.  "Pussy" in that context has nothing to do with the female anatomy.  That may be its origin, but in today's vernacular, it no longer refers to a vagina.  Stop your whining.

Listen, I don't give a rat's ass if he uses the term or not.  But the fact that he posted a picture of "I don't think that word means what you think it means" implies that there was no way that word could be construed as such.  When quite obviously it could since that's how the word began its life as an insult.


The point of the picture was that "pussy" in the context used doesn't mean that any more, and therefore there is no way it could be construed as such.  So no it can't obviously, because it doesn't.
 
2014-02-07 03:11:56 PM

Swanji: LarryDan43: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

Why would you want to drink at the whites only fountain? Its the same water supply!

This is a far, far cry from segregated water fountains, but go ahead and hyperbole it up there, tiger.


It's exactly like segregated water fountains, bathrooms, pools and restaurants from the pre-civil rights south.  How is it not?
 
2014-02-07 03:12:02 PM

Baloo Uriza: No-name establishment in one of the southern plains most progressive cities outs itself on regional television as a front for hate.  Knowing the differences between Portland and OKC in terms of diversity and acceptance, I'm thinking this place will close faster than that bakery in Gresham that wouldn't make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple.

Congratulations, guy, hope you saved for retirement.  Good luck with the ADA lawsuit.


Wait a minute, Enid is a progressive city?  When did that happen?
 
2014-02-07 03:12:14 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: He's in shiatkick, OK. He's not going to have many interactions with any of the people who he has "banned" from his resturant.


412's the fastest route to Denver from Tulsa, and that goes right through Enid.
 
2014-02-07 03:12:22 PM
From Google's reviews

Best place I've ever eaten! Gary served me a huge plate of steak before asking me to come to the back and check out his other "meats". I'll definitely be going back for the "Closet Case Cake" and the famous "Obama Fries". Oh, and don't be fooled by the articles saying he discriminates. Just give him a wink or flash some chest hair and watch that silver fox jump into a leotard and lipstick faster than you can say "John Wayne".

He is not loved on the internet /smirk
 
2014-02-07 03:12:51 PM
I'd like to book a reservation online but I can't find this place on Open Table.
 
2014-02-07 03:13:05 PM

sovietski: It makes me wonder how well his restaurant and views would go over in Tulsa.


West of I-35 means no one cares about it. 

The only things of value west of I-35 is the natural gas rigs... and Fort Sill.

The US Army realizes the only thing good about western is you can lob artillery shells all over it and no one cares.
 
2014-02-07 03:14:21 PM

Baloo Uriza: DROxINxTHExWIND: He's in shiatkick, OK. He's not going to have many interactions with any of the people who he has "banned" from his resturant.

412's the fastest route to Denver from Tulsa, and that goes right through Enid.



Denver's not exactly Harlem. Its like 90% white and 5% black. NTTAWWT. Just sayin.
 
2014-02-07 03:15:30 PM
Sales at the boycotted stores dropped by a third, leading the stores' owners to abandon their segregation policies. Black employees of Greensboro's Woolworth store were the first to be served at the store's lunch counter. This event occurred on Monday, July 25, 1960. The entire Woolworth was desegregated, serving blacks and whites alike, although Woolworth lunch counters in other Tennessee cities, such as Jackson, continued to be segregated until around 1965, despite many protests.

It took legislation to finally end segregation. There's a reason the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed, and it shows a startling ignorance of American history to think that discrimination in businesses will correct itself.
 
2014-02-07 03:15:34 PM

neversubmit: Boise City, Oklahoma was the only city in the United States to be bombed in WWII. On Monday night, July 5, 1943, at 12:30 a.m., a B-17 Bomber based at Dalhart Army Air Base, Texas, dropped six practice bombs on the sleeping town, mistaking the city lights as target lights.


Good to know we're ignoring Tillamook, Oregon.
 
2014-02-07 03:15:42 PM

Agatha Crispy: Swanji: teenytinycornteeth: DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

[img.fark.net image 243x207]

Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!

Oh for fark's sake.  "Pussy" in that context has nothing to do with the female anatomy.  That may be its origin, but in today's vernacular, it no longer refers to a vagina.  Stop your whining.

Oh look, a Washington Redskin fan.


Apples and oranges.
 
2014-02-07 03:15:44 PM
While we continue to rail the owner of the restaurant let's not lose sight of the fact that he's successfully been in business for 44 years using the same business model.  Wouldn't that mean that some portion, if not the majority, of his customers are of like minds?  He alone is not the problem.
 
2014-02-07 03:16:02 PM
So what would he say if a vet missing a limb showed up at his place, they are cripple after all. What an asshat, the one good thing is at least he is honest about his ignorance and people can avoid him.
 
2014-02-07 03:16:04 PM

sendtodave: jso2897: Magnanimous_J: The lesson from all of this is: You can be the most hateful person on the planet, just make sure you hate the right people.

The "right people" being pretty much limited to people who are evil, and do evil things.
There is no point in pretending that hating evil, harmful people is analogous to hating people because of the color of their skin, or their handicapped status. I think it's odd, and suspicious, that someone would attempt to pretend that.

"Evil..?"

Seriously?

Well, I guess if you are gonna be moralistic, you shouldn't half ass it.  I'm just not sure you are qualified to judge "good" or "evil" any more than that racist is.

Unless you think you are more advanced than he is.

That good ole American liberal hubris.  The rest of the world just needs to catch up to your way of thinking.


What are you even talking about? Nobody is discriminating against this guy, and nobody is going to. Somebody may sue him, or boycott him, or publicly humiliate him - but that's not discrimination. I know you are trying to make some sort of stretched argumant from equivalence - but it just isn't there. And name-calling and blathering about "liberals" just makes you look stupid. If you can't really argue an issue, you won't fool anyone by pretending to.
 
2014-02-07 03:16:36 PM

sovietski: Not all Okies are arseholes, I swear. Sadly, there are people here who will applaud him and he may very well see an increase in business. Fark, if she could get away with it, the Governor might show up.


Well, after the last couple years, she's on borrowed time politically from both sides anyway.
 
2014-02-07 03:17:07 PM
The guy has a funny last name, he sounds like one of those dirty foreigners.  He's probably a communist too.  I won't give my business to no dirty foreigner communist bigot.
 
2014-02-07 03:17:39 PM

jso2897: sendtodave: jso2897: Magnanimous_J: The lesson from all of this is: You can be the most hateful person on the planet, just make sure you hate the right people.

The "right people" being pretty much limited to people who are evil, and do evil things.
There is no point in pretending that hating evil, harmful people is analogous to hating people because of the color of their skin, or their handicapped status. I think it's odd, and suspicious, that someone would attempt to pretend that.

"Evil..?"

Seriously?

Well, I guess if you are gonna be moralistic, you shouldn't half ass it.  I'm just not sure you are qualified to judge "good" or "evil" any more than that racist is.

Unless you think you are more advanced than he is.

That good ole American liberal hubris.  The rest of the world just needs to catch up to your way of thinking.

What are you even talking about? Nobody is discriminating against this guy, and nobody is going to. Somebody may sue him, or boycott him, or publicly humiliate him - but that's not discrimination. I know you are trying to make some sort of stretched argumant from equivalence - but it just isn't there. And name-calling and blathering about "liberals" just makes you look stupid. If you can't really argue an issue, you won't fool anyone by pretending to.


You're being intolerant of intolerance. Totes makes you a hypocrite.
 
2014-02-07 03:17:41 PM

FlashHarry: he doesn't like "f*ggots, n*ggers, cripples and democrats." i'm guessing his CPAC invitation is on its way.

what a vile, subhuman piece of shiat. i really hope he dies a slow death from ass cancer.


Dick cancer.
 
2014-02-07 03:18:00 PM

Gulper Eel: YouWinAgainGravity: but i thought we didn't need any kind of regulations or civil rights laws because the free market would have driven people like this out of business

The free market drove him to Enid, Oklahoma. Close enough. I guess this is the place.  Le Cirque it ain't.

Something tells me the Steak Bigot won't ever be as well-received as the Soup Nazi.


Looks like an abandoned cattle-auction barn.
 
2014-02-07 03:18:19 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Is your house in order?


Nope.

HotWingConspiracy: Why do you want to mess with this person?


Where did you get that impression?

Bloody William: That. That is why. And where was that? In the small fish city of Greensboro, North Carolina.


And now no one anywhere excludes anyone from their establishment any more....except this guy in Enid Oklahoma. He's the last one and he needs to be made an example of right?

What you people fail to grasp is that I don't advocate his beliefs but I do advocate his freedom to have them. He's not worth my time, effort or money. Or yours but you're more than willing to spend all 3 on him.
 
2014-02-07 03:18:51 PM

El_Perro: Virtuoso80: Meh, if a restaurant want's to deliberately limit it's customer base, I say let them. Maybe we need laws for special circumstances (Ex. You have to let someone use your phone in case of an emergency), but otherwise I'm OK with racist business owners running racist businesses, just don't expect me to use their services.

The problem with that is that, once you open the door to discrimination in public accomodations, there is a risk of whole areas being off-limits to whatever class is being discriminated against.  The  Civil Rights Act didn't happen in a vacuum.


But I've been reassured for quite a while by FARK Libertarians that if a place was run in a racist manner, that the invisible hand would shut it down 'cause of reasons.
So we don't need accommodation and anti-discrimination laws.
 
2014-02-07 03:19:03 PM

jso2897: sendtodave: jso2897: Magnanimous_J: The lesson from all of this is: You can be the most hateful person on the planet, just make sure you hate the right people.

The "right people" being pretty much limited to people who are evil, and do evil things.
There is no point in pretending that hating evil, harmful people is analogous to hating people because of the color of their skin, or their handicapped status. I think it's odd, and suspicious, that someone would attempt to pretend that.

"Evil..?"

Seriously?

Well, I guess if you are gonna be moralistic, you shouldn't half ass it.  I'm just not sure you are qualified to judge "good" or "evil" any more than that racist is.

Unless you think you are more advanced than he is.

That good ole American liberal hubris.  The rest of the world just needs to catch up to your way of thinking.

What are you even talking about? Nobody is discriminating against this guy, and nobody is going to. Somebody may sue him, or boycott him, or publicly humiliate him - but that's not discrimination. I know you are trying to make some sort of stretched argumant from equivalence - but it just isn't there. And name-calling and blathering about "liberals" just makes you look stupid. If you can't really argue an issue, you won't fool anyone by pretending to.


There are many people who honestly believe that not tolerating their discrimination means they're being discriminated against

Example: Every single religious person who tries to stop gay marriage. By telling them to shut up and stop discriminating, they believe they're being discriminated against.
 
2014-02-07 03:19:09 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.


You're the one who is missing the point, sir. Many people have made sacrifices so that all people, no matter their race, would be treated equitably in establishments that serve the public. Its not that we all want to eat at this shiathole. The problem comes when Red Lobster or Ruth Chris decides that they should also be able to refuse service to people based on race or sexual orientation or when a private bus company decides that the seats in the front are now for whites only, again. The deal is, you get to use our public roads, fire department, and infrastructure so shut up about who you don't want to serve.

[img.fark.net image 257x196]


No matter how hard you try you can not legislate the racism out of ignorant people.
Privately owned businesses should most definitely get to choose who their clientele is. If racist assholes want to be racist assholes let them. Why the fark would someone want to eat at a restaurant owned by someone that hates them and is being forced to serve them?
It's not an all or nothing deal either, like some in this thread make it out to be.
Public places, and transportation and other places like that should serve anyone and everyone, including 100% handicap access.
The most the law should be involved is if the place is unsafe, making people sick, or things along those lines.
 
2014-02-07 03:19:18 PM

farm machine: While we continue to rail the owner of the restaurant let's not lose sight of the fact that he's successfully been in business for 44 years using the same business model.  Wouldn't that mean that some portion, if not the majority, of his customers are of like minds?  He alone is not the problem.


Well, I'm not going to go down there with the ACLU and sue him* - although I'd love to point and laugh when somebody does. Who knows - now that he is in the eye of the media, anything can happen.

*And I couldn't, anyway - I'm not on any of his shiatlists.
 
2014-02-07 03:19:36 PM

coeyagi: I am thinking the whole state needs to be bombed.  72 hours notice, you have to score a triple digit IQ to leave the state and be spared.


Oh, thanks.  Just what we want.  First y'all show up from Europe and can't be bothered to pick up the language and culture, then you uproot us from our homes in the Appalachians and the south and hand that over to a bunch of hillbillies and hicks, then you move us to Indian Territory and promise us it's ours forever, then you decide you're only kidding about that and open it to European settlement anyway without asking again, and now you want to bomb us.  Thanks for thinking this one through, brainiac.
 
2014-02-07 03:20:04 PM
The problem with Oklahoma is that it's full of Oklahomans.

Fortunately, Oklahoma has a built in natural solution:

tamutimes.tamu.edu
 
2014-02-07 03:20:16 PM

Lamberts Ho Man: Swanji: LarryDan43: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

Why would you want to drink at the whites only fountain? Its the same water supply!

This is a far, far cry from segregated water fountains, but go ahead and hyperbole it up there, tiger.

It's exactly like segregated water fountains, bathrooms, pools and restaurants from the pre-civil rights south.  How is it not?


It's not, because this is one farking restaurant.  There are no segregated water fountains, bathrooms, or pools.  In fact, there aren't even any segregated restaurants, just this one guy being a piece of shiat.  So no, nowhere even close.  Put a different way, actual segregation was EVERYWHERE.  Every business and government service in every city, town, and hamlet was segregated.  Again, this is one asshole.  One restaurant, not segregation.  So, come up with a more pertinent argument.
 
2014-02-07 03:20:16 PM
This crow's nest is located in Enid, OK.  Enid backwards is Dine, btw.  The owner is a total drat kcuf .
 
2014-02-07 03:20:45 PM

Baloo Uriza: stuffy: Found location for next Oklahoma FARK party.

I'm game.  What's our backup venue?


Ha, now that would be funny... until just before the cops have to be called.
 
2014-02-07 03:20:56 PM

Baloo Uriza: 412's the fastest route to Denver from Tulsa, and that goes right through Enid.


Take 35 through Wichita, always seems faster.

From the yelp reviews:  Appalling, bigoted, discriminatory behavior is regularly displayed at this establishment. The owner, Gary James, refuses to serve wheelchair bound persons, black people, Hispanics, mixed race couples, gay people, people who wear hats, people who ask for Budweiser, liberals, men with longish hair, people wearing clothes he doesn't approve of, people with facial piercings, on and on, ad nauseum.

Coors like typing detected. I guarantee they don't have craft beer on tap.
 
2014-02-07 03:21:31 PM

jso2897: Magnanimous_J: The lesson from all of this is: You can be the most hateful person on the planet, just make sure you hate the right people.

The "right people" being pretty much limited to people who are evil, and do evil things.
There is no point in pretending that hating evil, harmful people is analogous to hating people because of the color of their skin, or their handicapped status. I think it's odd, and suspicious, that someone would attempt to pretend that.


Don't get me wrong, I think this guys is a capital asshole. But don't fool yourself into thinking that "evil" is anything more than a relative cultural construct. Civilizations have had some common ideas of what makes evil, but that doesn't make it universal, or based in anything other than everyone's mutual agreement.

50 years ago (and some places today, apparently) being gay or a socialist was seen as deliberately undermining society. It was legitimately "evil" to people then, so by your definition, it would be justified to actively hate them.

A couple thousand years ago, if you were in an army and conquered a town, you helping yourself to a couple women there would be seen as no more evil than taking a jolly rancher out of the big candy bowl at the doctor's office. Today, it's a heinous war crime.

My point being, think the way you think and do what you think is right, but it's all a matter of point of view. You probably don't think abortion is murder (and neither do I), but the red-faced people shrieking their lungs out at girls going into the clinic are just as justified in their hate as you are, by your own definition.
 
2014-02-07 03:21:33 PM

sendtodave: Do these articles get greened just to make Fark coastal liberals feel smug, superior?


No, so you can jerk off to your Romney collection of photos.
 
2014-02-07 03:21:58 PM

Mattyb710: DROxINxTHExWIND: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.


You're the one who is missing the point, sir. Many people have made sacrifices so that all people, no matter their race, would be treated equitably in establishments that serve the public. Its not that we all want to eat at this shiathole. The problem comes when Red Lobster or Ruth Chris decides that they should also be able to refuse service to people based on race or sexual orientation or when a private bus company decides that the seats in the front are now for whites only, again. The deal is, you get to use our public roads, fire department, and infrastructure so shut up about who you don't want to serve.

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No matter how hard you try you can not legislate the racism out of ignorant people.
Privately owned businesses should most definitely get to choose who their clientele is. If racist assholes want to be racist assholes let them. Why the fark would someone want to eat at a restaurant owned by someone that hates them and is being forced to serve them?
It's not an all or nothing deal either, like some in this thread make it out to be.
Public places, and transportation and other places like that should serve anyone and everyone, including 100% handicap access.
The most the law should be involved is if the place is unsafe, making people sick, or things along those lines.


No.
 
2014-02-07 03:22:22 PM

Mattyb710: Public places, and transportation and other places like that should serve anyone and everyone, including 100% handicap access.


Ummm, his restaurant IS a public place.

He could probably fix it if he turned it into a private club, but right now it's open to the public, it's a public place. You can't say "Open to the white public with jobs". It's either public or private.
 
2014-02-07 03:22:22 PM

mediablitz: HE's a Libertarian's best friend.


Probably not as it is likely he would l have no problem regulating "freaks, f*ggots,, the disabled and welfare recipients " in non-libertarian ways.

Is f*ggot the new N-word that we are not allowed to even print now?
 
2014-02-07 03:22:45 PM

Baloo Uriza: coeyagi: I am thinking the whole state needs to be bombed.  72 hours notice, you have to score a triple digit IQ to leave the state and be spared.

Oh, thanks.  Just what we want.  First y'all show up from Europe and can't be bothered to pick up the language and culture, then you uproot us from our homes in the Appalachians and the south and hand that over to a bunch of hillbillies and hicks, then you move us to Indian Territory and promise us it's ours forever, then you decide you're only kidding about that and open it to European settlement anyway without asking again, and now you want to bomb us.  Thanks for thinking this one through, brainiac.


If you thought I was serious, you already failed the IQ test and will be killed. Or since I wasn't serious, will you? Think hard, genius.
 
2014-02-07 03:23:15 PM

give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
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From the caption under that picture:
Although Oklahoma was aligned with the Confederacy, it is not shaded because at the time the region was Indian Territory, not a state.
 
2014-02-07 03:23:16 PM

GBB: Strangely, droids are OK with him.


I think the ironic cultural reference you were going for is "he's okay with droids."
 
2014-02-07 03:23:42 PM
This restaurant is not just "outside Oklahoma City," as TFA claims. It's in Enid, Oklahoma, which is about 100 miles northwest of OKC. It's like some saying that a restaurant in Philadelphia is just outside of NYC.
 
2014-02-07 03:23:43 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Did you not see the t-shirt? I pretty sure it wasn't a secret.


I'm also guessing most people stay the fark away from him and mentally thank him for wearing a warning sign.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-07 03:24:04 PM
Don't like him?  Don't go to his restaurant.  Simple.  Done.

Or blow outrage all over web forums because that's actually doing something about this.  May as well pray.
 
2014-02-07 03:24:17 PM

Baloo Uriza: neversubmit: Boise City, Oklahoma was the only city in the United States to be bombed in WWII. On Monday night, July 5, 1943, at 12:30 a.m., a B-17 Bomber based at Dalhart Army Air Base, Texas, dropped six practice bombs on the sleeping town, mistaking the city lights as target lights.

Good to know we're ignoring Tillamook, Oregon.


Maybe he meant by our side, I'm not looking it up. So there!
 
2014-02-07 03:24:33 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Is your house in order?

Nope.

HotWingConspiracy: Why do you want to mess with this person?

Where did you get that impression?


You were exploring opportunities to ruin his business. Somehow you've determined if there's a buck in it it's ok.

What you people fail to grasp is that I don't advocate his beliefs but I do advocate his freedom to have them.

He's free to believe that, he's not free to run his business in that way. The reasons why are obvious to people that don't fetishize some bizarre notion of freedom that actually works against free people. You lost that battle decades ago.

 He's not worth my time, effort or money. Or yours but you're more than willing to spend all 3 on him.

You're putting up time and effort defending-but-no-I'm-totally-not-defending him.
 
2014-02-07 03:24:35 PM

Swanji: Lamberts Ho Man: Swanji: LarryDan43: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

Why would you want to drink at the whites only fountain? Its the same water supply!

This is a far, far cry from segregated water fountains, but go ahead and hyperbole it up there, tiger.

It's exactly like segregated water fountains, bathrooms, pools and restaurants from the pre-civil rights south.  How is it not?

It's not, because this is one farking restaurant.  There are no segregated water fountains, bathrooms, or pools.  In fact, there aren't even any segregated restaurants, just this one guy being a piece of shiat.  So no, nowhere even close.  Put a different way, actual segregation was EVERYWHERE.  Every business and government service in every city, town, and hamlet was segregated.  Again, this is one asshole.  One restaurant, not segregation.  So, come up with a more pertinent argument.


I see, so if one business puts up a segregated water fountain its okay because its just one.
 
2014-02-07 03:24:50 PM
the power of fark should shiat that place up...  will have to make a stop if i am in the area...and drop off a package, and by package i mean shiat wallpaper.
 
2014-02-07 03:25:01 PM

trappedspirit: James!: Gosh, Oklahoma must be a nice place to never visit ever.

You're going to answer his challenge with prejudiced discrimination against a whole state?

/like a boss


Yeah.  Life's not fair.  Douchebags reflect poorly on their community.
 
2014-02-07 03:25:09 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: That's his problem. Not mine.

Or yours.


Oh bullshiat.  When you see injustice, big or small, whether you're directly affected or not, you do something about it.
 
2014-02-07 03:25:27 PM

FlashHarry: ten bucks says this guy jerks himself to sleep every night thinking of terry crews in a thong.


Doesn't everybody?
 
2014-02-07 03:25:45 PM

sovietski: It makes me wonder how well his restaurant and views would go over in Tulsa.


Guessing on how well Westboro Baptist's picket of the Electric Circus went on New Year's Eve, I'd say this guy's odds of staying in business longer than a free cellphone truck is somewhere between slim and none.
 
2014-02-07 03:26:11 PM
Swanji:

Daniel Snyder: Oh for fark's sake.  "Redskins" in that context has nothing to do with the Native Americans.  That may be its origin, but in today's vernacular, it no longer refers to a Native American.  Stop your whining.


Apples and oranges.


How so?
 
2014-02-07 03:26:18 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Is your house in order?

Nope.

HotWingConspiracy: Why do you want to mess with this person?

Where did you get that impression?

Bloody William: That. That is why. And where was that? In the small fish city of Greensboro, North Carolina.

And now no one anywhere excludes anyone from their establishment any more....except this guy in Enid Oklahoma. He's the last one and he needs to be made an example of right?

What you people fail to grasp is that I don't advocate his beliefs but I do advocate his freedom to have them.


You also advocate his "right" to exercise them in the conduct of running a public accomodation. the law disagrees with you, and if anyone chooses to invoke it, he will lose.
Yes, we know what you think - which is why we (mainstream society) are moving on, and leaving you behind.
With all the dwindling few others who think the same way.
 
2014-02-07 03:26:36 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: And now no one anywhere excludes anyone from their establishment any more....except this guy in Enid Oklahoma. He's the last one and he needs to be made an example of right?

What you people fail to grasp is that I don't advocate his beliefs but I do advocate his freedom to have them. He's not worth my time, effort or money. Or yours but you're more than willing to spend all 3 on him.


The last one? No. But among the last, and we can no longer turn a blind eye to bigotry in Oklahoma in 2014 than we did in North Carolina in 1960 and across the country in 1964.

What you fail to grasp is that "his freedom to have those beliefs" is a great ideal as an isolated concept, but centuries of bigotry and discrimination have shown that when having those beliefs means you express them when dealing with other people the result is a detriment to society and humanity, and inevitably a stain on our conscience that I am sickened to see is so easily faded and forgotten.

Speech is protected. Beliefs are protected. Be as much of a bigot as you want in your words and thoughts. But when that moves from speech to engaging in commerce with other Americans, there need to be some guidelines. The history of this country is proof of that.
 
2014-02-07 03:26:39 PM

Felgraf: So I take it you agree with Paul that the Civil Right's act is unfair and tyranny, and that discrimination based on race or gender should be allowed by businesses, yes?


"unfair" Meh. Life's unfair. "tyranny" no. Discrimination based on race or gender by private individuals? Sure. It happens all the time and is not exclusive to white males.. You  think that because someone MUST do business with you that he or she doesn't think in a particular fashion. If someone doesn't want my business or the business of those that I associate with, I'd prefer to know it upfront so that I don't unwittingly patronize their business.

Look at it like this. If this man is forced to serve anyone and everyone who comes in his place and he does so, will you patronize the establishment?
 
2014-02-07 03:27:30 PM

HotWingConspiracy: He's free to believe that, he's not free to run his business in that way.


I am wondering if his business is grandfathered in from the laws you cited earlier.
 
2014-02-07 03:28:51 PM

KidneyStone: Don't like him?  Don't go to his restaurant.  Simple.  Done.

Or blow outrage all over web forums because that's actually doing something about this.  May as well pray.


Speaking out against injustice is no small act.  Even if it is to those who feel the same way, it reinforces the sense of equality.  For those who may be on the fence, reading the comments of those who don't abide by evil helps to show them the light.  I won't tacitly condone intolerance.
 
2014-02-07 03:28:57 PM
So the t-shirt says that the patrons are near?
 
2014-02-07 03:30:10 PM

scottydoesntknow: Mattyb710: Public places, and transportation and other places like that should serve anyone and everyone, including 100% handicap access.

Ummm, his restaurant IS a public place.

He could probably fix it if he turned it into a private club, but right now it's open to the public, it's a public place. You can't say "Open to the white public with jobs". It's either public or private.


Unless his business is receiving money from the government or is partly owned by the county or something it is a privately owned place. I feel if something is privately owned then the owner should be able to decide how to run it.

Bane of Broone: No.


And how are you going to stop them? Make it against the law to not love everyone the same? Put them in prison or camps?
 
2014-02-07 03:30:41 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Felgraf: So I take it you agree with Paul that the Civil Right's act is unfair and tyranny, and that discrimination based on race or gender should be allowed by businesses, yes?

"unfair" Meh. Life's unfair. "tyranny" no. Discrimination based on race or gender by private individuals? Sure. It happens all the time and is not exclusive to white males.. You  think that because someone MUST do business with you that he or she doesn't think in a particular fashion. If someone doesn't want my business or the business of those that I associate with, I'd prefer to know it upfront so that I don't unwittingly patronize their business.

Look at it like this. If this man is forced to serve anyone and everyone who comes in his place and he does so, will you patronize the establishment?


Once again, I must farking repeat myself.

Bloody William: A problem with someone as an individual for their opinions or behavior is different than a problem with someone as an assumed characteristic of their identity. If someone has a problem with me being the sum of my actions and statements, that's a personal matter. If someone has a problem with me because of the color of my skin, the ethnicity of my parents, or the usability of my legs, that's a bigger problem. Specifically, it's a bigger problem that, if you'd acknowledge the Woolworth's counter photos in this thread, was only solved when legislation was passed to protect those designated "someones."


In fact, I'm repeating what I said... to you, that you ignored and continue to ignore for the sake of your bullshiat argument that preventing discrimination based on certain groups is the same as preventing any discretion on accepting customers on the part of a business.
 
2014-02-07 03:30:42 PM

HotWingConspiracy: You were exploring opportunities to ruin his business


No, I was exploring ways to serve those he won't. Go back and read the post again.

HotWingConspiracy: You're putting up time and effort defending-but-no-I'm-totally-not-defending him.


I'm defending his right to be an asshole. Whatever happened to "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." ?

Bloody William: The last one? No.


More especially the last one.
 
2014-02-07 03:30:43 PM

LarryDan43: Swanji: Lamberts Ho Man: Swanji: LarryDan43: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

Why would you want to drink at the whites only fountain? Its the same water supply!

This is a far, far cry from segregated water fountains, but go ahead and hyperbole it up there, tiger.

It's exactly like segregated water fountains, bathrooms, pools and restaurants from the pre-civil rights south.  How is it not?

It's not, because this is one farking restaurant.  There are no segregated water fountains, bathrooms, or pools.  In fact, there aren't even any segregated restaurants, just this one guy being a piece of shiat.  So no, nowhere even close.  Put a different way, actual segregation was EVERYWHERE.  Every business and government service in every city, town, and hamlet was segregated.  Again, this is one asshole.  One restaurant, not segregation.  So, come up with a more pertinent argument.

I see, so if one business puts up a segregated water fountain its okay because its just one.


Nicely put.

And by permitting such things to happen - it will not inspire like minded bigots. It will forever be that one.
 
2014-02-07 03:31:34 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: What you people fail to grasp is that I don't advocate his beliefs but I do advocate his freedom to have them. He's not worth my time, effort or money. Or yours but you're more than willing to spend all 3 on him.


I personally feel it's worth lots of my time and money, and the government's money, to fight discriminatory practices based on ignorance. Seems to me working for continual improvement on all levels is an important thing for people, governments and countries alike. Social justice is just a part of that. If we ignore such fools, we're implicitly suggesting such behavior is a-ok. And it's not. Although, one could argue that a perhaps more effective solution would to be think long term and more broadly  - education and acceptance programs rather than legal actions or public shaming - but such things would come with a bevy of political baggage of their own.
 
2014-02-07 03:31:49 PM

coeyagi: FTFV in TFA:

img.fark.net


Corrupt LEOs.

/So that would be between 10% and 90% of them.  I wonder how he tells them apart.
 
2014-02-07 03:32:07 PM
Oh, it gets better. He ran for a local office five years ago.

http://www.news9.com/story/9764682/enid-business-owner-catches-heat- fo r-discrimination


And, best of all he actually used the "I'm not racist, but" defence.


James said he isn't homophobic or racist. He just refuses to allow anyone who makes him or his customers uneasy inside his business.


What an abject tosser.
 
2014-02-07 03:32:12 PM

thehobbes: sovietski: It makes me wonder how well his restaurant and views would go over in Tulsa.

West of I-35 means no one cares about it. 

The only things of value west of I-35 is the natural gas rigs... and Fort Sill.

The US Army realizes the only thing good about western is you can lob artillery shells all over it and no one cares.


I lol'd.

I am also ok with this location being the site of the Oklahoma FARK party. I can bring my friend, who's gay, and his brother, who walks with cane (car accident) and has long hair!!

I could dress like a "freak" and wear my cubicle mate's College Democrats button on my shirt.

/let's make this happen
 
2014-02-07 03:32:28 PM

Mattyb710: scottydoesntknow: Mattyb710: Public places, and transportation and other places like that should serve anyone and everyone, including 100% handicap access.

Ummm, his restaurant IS a public place.

He could probably fix it if he turned it into a private club, but right now it's open to the public, it's a public place. You can't say "Open to the white public with jobs". It's either public or private.

Unless his business is receiving money from the government or is partly owned by the county or something it is a privately owned place. I feel if something is privately owned then the owner should be able to decide how to run it.

Bane of Broone: No.

And how are you going to stop them? Make it against the law to not love everyone the same? Put them in prison or camps?


The law disagrees with you.
 
2014-02-07 03:32:38 PM

OKObserver: And this guy is considered a liberal here.


Really?  Seems like when I registered to vote as Socialist at the Sapulpa Tag Agency, they said, "Wow, we've been seeing a lot of that lately."
 
2014-02-07 03:33:32 PM
Look at the bright side:  Every business within ten miles has a really easy way to silently toss out job applicants just by asking them what they think of the place.
 
2014-02-07 03:33:36 PM

QU!RK1019: KidneyStone: Don't like him?  Don't go to his restaurant.  Simple.  Done.

Or blow outrage all over web forums because that's actually doing something about this.  May as well pray.

Speaking out against injustice is no small act.  Even if it is to those who feel the same way, it reinforces the sense of equality.  For those who may be on the fence, reading the comments of those who don't abide by evil helps to show them the light.  I won't tacitly condone intolerance.


Speaking out against this guy is exactly the right thing to do. Protest outside his building. Publish pictures of everyone who comes out of his restaurant in the newspaper and label them as supporting a bigot.
Shame the people who eat there so much they stop eating there and he goes out of business.

What I don't agree with is having a law that forces someone to do something with their privately owned business that they don't want to.
 
2014-02-07 03:33:50 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: I'm defending his right to be an asshole. Whatever happened to "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." ?


It's right up there with "Look, this is a free country and it's totally fine if you talk about how much you hate black people, but if you run a business you need to serve them just like you'd serve anyone else. If you want to make money here by offering a public accommodation, it better actually be public so your shiatty ideas, while protected, won't come back as the disgusting systematic discrimination of people based solely on the color of their skin that we saw half a century ago."
 
2014-02-07 03:33:59 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Zeppelininthesky: Why even have the law in the first place?

Good question.


The laws are in place for a reason. Idiots like this are the very reason the laws were made. I hope this guy gets sued until his business goes away. Maybe the national attention will start the ball rolling.
 
2014-02-07 03:34:03 PM

Magnanimous_J: jso2897: Magnanimous_J: The lesson from all of this is: You can be the most hateful person on the planet, just make sure you hate the right people.

The "right people" being pretty much limited to people who are evil, and do evil things.
There is no point in pretending that hating evil, harmful people is analogous to hating people because of the color of their skin, or their handicapped status. I think it's odd, and suspicious, that someone would attempt to pretend that.

Don't get me wrong, I think this guys is a capital asshole. But don't fool yourself into thinking that "evil" is anything more than a relative cultural construct. Civilizations have had some common ideas of what makes evil, but that doesn't make it universal, or based in anything other than everyone's mutual agreement.

50 years ago (and some places today, apparently) being gay or a socialist was seen as deliberately undermining society. It was legitimately "evil" to people then, so by your definition, it would be justified to actively hate them.

A couple thousand years ago, if you were in an army and conquered a town, you helping yourself to a couple women there would be seen as no more evil than taking a jolly rancher out of the big candy bowl at the doctor's office. Today, it's a heinous war crime.

My point being, think the way you think and do what you think is right, but it's all a matter of point of view. You probably don't think abortion is murder (and neither do I), but the red-faced people shrieking their lungs out at girls going into the clinic are just as justified in their hate as you are, by your own definition.


You are quite right, in the abstract - but we don't live in the panorama of history - we live now, and we do what most men do - attempt to move society forward incrementally. A hundred and fifty years ago, we had to fight a war to establish that men are not property.
70 years ago, people marched and demonstrated and were arrested and beaten and firehosed and bit by police dogs and murdered on dark country roads to establish, among other things, that people can't do what he is doing.
A hundred years from now, we will be struggling to advance mankind beyond some other stupidity.
There IS a right side and a wrong one - a good one and a bad one.
I, by the way, feel no hate for anyone - I have not been victimized, and have had an easy, pleasant, spoiled, white boy's life. I've got no business hating anybody. But I do know an asshole when I see one, and I would prefer, all things considered, to see assholes lose every fight they get in.
 
2014-02-07 03:34:27 PM

Baloo Uriza: sovietski: It makes me wonder how well his restaurant and views would go over in Tulsa.

Guessing on how well Westboro Baptist's picket of the Electric Circus went on New Year's Eve, I'd say this guy's odds of staying in business longer than a free cellphone truck is somewhere between slim and none.


Lolwut? How did I miss this?

/to the Google
 
2014-02-07 03:34:35 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: That's his problem. Not mine.

Or yours.


I have yet to see you post anything worth reading. Please shut up.

Also, for the sake of the gene pool, please stop reproducing. Two is more than enough of your contamination.
 
2014-02-07 03:35:40 PM

SansNeural: Wait a minute, Enid is a progressive city?  When did that happen?


I initially missed the Enid part and assumed OKC given that it was KFOR reporting, also forgetting that KFOR is the second-rate regional station in roughly the same huge-ass area that News9 handles.
 
2014-02-07 03:36:02 PM

Bontesla: LarryDan43: Swanji: Lamberts Ho Man: Swanji: LarryDan43: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

Why would you want to drink at the whites only fountain? Its the same water supply!

This is a far, far cry from segregated water fountains, but go ahead and hyperbole it up there, tiger.

It's exactly like segregated water fountains, bathrooms, pools and restaurants from the pre-civil rights south.  How is it not?

It's not, because this is one farking restaurant.  There are no segregated water fountains, bathrooms, or pools.  In fact, there aren't even any segregated restaurants, just this one guy being a piece of shiat.  So no, nowhere even close.  Put a different way, actual segregation was EVERYWHERE.  Every business and government service in every city, town, and hamlet was segregated.  Again, this is one asshole.  One restaurant, not segregation.  So, come up with a more pertinent argument.

I see, so if one business puts up a segregated water fountain its okay because its just one.

Nicely put.

And by permitting such things to happen - it will not inspire like minded bigots. It will forever be that one.


Like minded bigots don't need inspiration, and as long as they are not actually hurting anyone, they are free to do as they please.  At least in this country.  Why do you think the KKK still exists?
 
2014-02-07 03:36:03 PM

Mattyb710: What I don't agree with is having a law that forces someone to do something with their privately owned business that they don't want to.


Civil Rights Act of 1964. This isn't a new law. This isn't a new concept. This isn't being butthurt about someone's wacky opinion. This is preventing the systematic discrimination of people based on matters beyond their control become the norm again.
 
2014-02-07 03:36:11 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Felgraf: So I take it you agree with Paul that the Civil Right's act is unfair and tyranny, and that discrimination based on race or gender should be allowed by businesses, yes?

"unfair" Meh. Life's unfair. "tyranny" no. Discrimination based on race or gender by private individuals? Sure. It happens all the time and is not exclusive to white males.. You  think that because someone MUST do business with you that he or she doesn't think in a particular fashion. If someone doesn't want my business or the business of those that I associate with, I'd prefer to know it upfront so that I don't unwittingly patronize their business.

Look at it like this. If this man is forced to serve anyone and everyone who comes in his place and he does so, will you patronize the establishment?


He will not be forced to do that. He will only be forced to serve those he has no reasonable, lawful cause to refuse.
Drunks, deadbeats, undesirables? he will never have to serve them. Let's not lie .
 
2014-02-07 03:36:21 PM

QU!RK1019: KidneyStone: Don't like him?  Don't go to his restaurant.  Simple.  Done.

Or blow outrage all over web forums because that's actually doing something about this.  May as well pray.

Speaking out against injustice is no small act.


On Fark? Haha.

Even if it is to those who feel the same way, it reinforces the sense of equality.

Funny, I'd call that an "echo chamber".

 For those who may be on the fence, reading the comments of those who don't abide by evil helps to show them the light.

Let's get something straight: this man might have repugnant views, but in no way does that render him "evil". Your label is immoral and un-American.

I won't tacitly condone intolerance.

Here, put this big red S on for me, so we can all identify you properly as you leap over buildings in a single bound.
 
2014-02-07 03:36:27 PM
Gary's Chicaros restaurant

What's up with a True Christian White American Freedom English Jesus Fetus Guns Patriot® using an Hispanic word in his diner's name?
 
2014-02-07 03:37:09 PM

Swanji: Like minded bigots don't need inspiration, and as long as they are not actually hurting anyone, they are free to do as they please.  At least in this country.  Why do you think the KKK still exists?


Because speech is free and protected, but if you want to run a business as a public accommodation, you have to follow some rules.
 
2014-02-07 03:37:25 PM

Mattyb710: scottydoesntknow: Mattyb710: Public places, and transportation and other places like that should serve anyone and everyone, including 100% handicap access.

Ummm, his restaurant IS a public place.

He could probably fix it if he turned it into a private club, but right now it's open to the public, it's a public place. You can't say "Open to the white public with jobs". It's either public or private.

Unless his business is receiving money from the government or is partly owned by the county or something it is a privately owned place. I feel if something is privately owned then the owner should be able to decide how to run it.


No, it isn't. You really need to brush up on the difference between private and public. A privately owned business that is open to the public is subject to anti-discrimination laws. Simple as that. What you think, and what the law says, are two entirely different things here.

Privately-owned/operated businesses and buildings. Privately-owned businesses and facilities that offer certain goods or services to the public -- including food, lodging, gasoline, and entertainment -- are considered public accommodations for purposes of federal and state anti-discrimination laws. For purposes of disability discrimination, the definition of a "public accommodation" is even more broad, encompassing most businesses that are open to the public (regardless of type).
 
2014-02-07 03:37:38 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Baloo Uriza: DROxINxTHExWIND: He's in shiatkick, OK. He's not going to have many interactions with any of the people who he has "banned" from his resturant.

412's the fastest route to Denver from Tulsa, and that goes right through Enid.

Denver's not exactly Harlem. Its like 90% white and 5% black. NTTAWWT. Just sayin.


No, it's not.  But it's adjacent to ski areas and they also have hockey, weed, gridiron and lager.  So save for the rather whitebred nature of Denver, it's got all the creature comforts of Tulsa and then some.
 
2014-02-07 03:37:46 PM

Lamberts Ho Man: Virtuoso80: Meh, if a restaurant want's to deliberately limit it's customer base, I say let them. Maybe we need laws for special circumstances (Ex. You have to let someone use your phone in case of an emergency), but otherwise I'm OK with racist business owners running racist businesses, just don't expect me to use their services.

Absolutely - some people just need to learn their place, amiright?
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there's definitely some people on the far-right who would like those days to return, IMHO....

/ far too many worms in the GOP encourage people like them as well....
 
2014-02-07 03:37:49 PM

Bloody William: In fact, I'm repeating what I said... to you, that you ignored and continue to ignore for the sake of your bullshiat argument that preventing discrimination based on certain groups is the same as preventing any discretion on accepting customers on the part of a business.


So great. Now blacks can eat at the lunch counter at Woolworths. Why in Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora Duncan's name would they even want to at that point? Why would YOU? You have changed nothing about the people involved, you have not changed any minds or hearts. But now everyone can give Woolworth their money and Woolworth will begrudgingly take it. I think you and I have the same goal in mind just a different view of how to accomplish it.
 
2014-02-07 03:38:15 PM

jso2897: sendtodave: jso2897: Magnanimous_J: The lesson from all of this is: You can be the most hateful person on the planet, just make sure you hate the right people.

The "right people" being pretty much limited to people who are evil, and do evil things.
There is no point in pretending that hating evil, harmful people is analogous to hating people because of the color of their skin, or their handicapped status. I think it's odd, and suspicious, that someone would attempt to pretend that.

"Evil..?"

Seriously?

Well, I guess if you are gonna be moralistic, you shouldn't half ass it.  I'm just not sure you are qualified to judge "good" or "evil" any more than that racist is.

Unless you think you are more advanced than he is.

That good ole American liberal hubris.  The rest of the world just needs to catch up to your way of thinking.

What are you even talking about? Nobody is discriminating against this guy, and nobody is going to. Somebody may sue him, or boycott him, or publicly humiliate him - but that's not discrimination. I know you are trying to make some sort of stretched argumant from equivalence - but it just isn't there. And name-calling and blathering about "liberals" just makes you look stupid. If you can't really argue an issue, you won't fool anyone by pretending to.


Iunno, seems a couple people think I have an actual argument, other than general nipple tweaking.
 
2014-02-07 03:38:32 PM

Baloo Uriza: I'm also guessing most people stay the fark away from him and mentally thank him for wearing a warning sign.


He's been in business for 44 years, so you are probably incorrect.
 
2014-02-07 03:38:46 PM

gja: I guess since I'm a 'big city wop-greaseball-dago' my welcome was worn out retroactively?


Well, let me tell you something, my kraut-mick friend........
 
2014-02-07 03:39:29 PM

Bloody William: Mattyb710: What I don't agree with is having a law that forces someone to do something with their privately owned business that they don't want to.

Civil Rights Act of 1964. This isn't a new law. This isn't a new concept. This isn't being butthurt about someone's wacky opinion. This is preventing the systematic discrimination of people based on matters beyond their control become the norm again.


Yes, but Matty "feels" otherwise. Why can't you be a real liberal and be open-minded enough to support him in his efforts promote racism?
 
2014-02-07 03:39:30 PM

jso2897: He will only be forced to serve those he has no reasonable, lawful cause to refuse.


WHY THE FARK WOULD YOU WANT TO BE SERVED BY THIS ASSHOLE?
 
2014-02-07 03:39:49 PM
Sounds like a typical conservative to me.
 
2014-02-07 03:39:54 PM

Mattyb710: scottydoesntknow: Mattyb710: Public places, and transportation and other places like that should serve anyone and everyone, including 100% handicap access.

Ummm, his restaurant IS a public place.

He could probably fix it if he turned it into a private club, but right now it's open to the public, it's a public place. You can't say "Open to the white public with jobs". It's either public or private.

Unless his business is receiving money from the government or is partly owned by the county or something it is a privately owned place. I feel if something is privately owned then the owner should be able to decide how to run it.

Bane of Broone: No.

And how are you going to stop them? Make it against the law to not love everyone the same? Put them in prison or camps?


Their business license is granted by the community and can be revoked by the same.
 
2014-02-07 03:40:13 PM

Zeppelininthesky: Dancin_In_Anson: Zeppelininthesky: Why even have the law in the first place?

Good question.

The laws are in place for a reason. Idiots like this are the very reason the laws were made. I hope this guy gets sued until his business goes away. Maybe the national attention will start the ball rolling.


What I see DIA saying is that he wants to go back to a time where "public" facilities could discriminate.   Because, as many have said here, he can discriminate if he wants... become a private club.   Augusta Country Club still discriminates in who it allows "in".... so, this guy just needs to create $1 "memberships" to his "Club restaurant", and he can be a dictator.   But, if you are a public business, serving the public, you cannot discriminate... case closed.

Honestly, the bar is not set that high to discriminate... but, people want to have their "Open door to the public" cake and eat the "but I want to be able to not serve anyone I want" too.
 
2014-02-07 03:40:36 PM

Bane of Broone: Bloody William: Mattyb710: What I don't agree with is having a law that forces someone to do something with their privately owned business that they don't want to.

Civil Rights Act of 1964. This isn't a new law. This isn't a new concept. This isn't being butthurt about someone's wacky opinion. This is preventing the systematic discrimination of people based on matters beyond their control become the norm again.

Yes, but Matty "feels" otherwise. Why can't you be a real liberal and be open-minded enough to support him in his efforts to promote racism?


FTFM
 
2014-02-07 03:41:15 PM

FlashHarry: he doesn't like "f*ggots, n*ggers, cripples and democrats." i'm guessing his CPAC invitation is on its way.

what a vile, subhuman piece of shiat. i really hope he dies a slow death from ass cancer.


How progressive of you.
 
2014-02-07 03:41:18 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: So great. Now blacks can eat at the lunch counter at Woolworths. Why in Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora Duncan's name would they even want to at that point? Why would YOU? You have changed nothing about the people involved, you have not changed any minds or hearts. But now everyone can give Woolworth their money and Woolworth will begrudgingly take it. I think you and I have the same goal in mind just a different view of how to accomplish it.


Because they live there. Because there will always be small fish towns where there are only a handful of minorities. Because there will always be places where people are looked down upon but live there anyway because that's where they live, that's where they come from, and they couldn't move if they wanted to. Because a black man should be able to eat at a lunch counter in North Carolina with as much certainty and safety as a deli in New York. Because injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

If we cannot change minds or hearts, we can at least change actions so those minds and hearts don't hurt people who, unlike those minds and hearts, can't change who or what they are.
 
2014-02-07 03:42:52 PM

James!: trappedspirit: James!: Gosh, Oklahoma must be a nice place to never visit ever.

You're going to answer his challenge with prejudiced discrimination against a whole state?

/like a boss

Yeah.  Life's not fair.  Douchebags reflect poorly on their community.


Are we still talking about your response or did we switch back?
 
2014-02-07 03:43:05 PM

Swanji: Bontesla: LarryDan43: Swanji: Lamberts Ho Man: Swanji: LarryDan43: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

Why would you want to drink at the whites only fountain? Its the same water supply!

This is a far, far cry from segregated water fountains, but go ahead and hyperbole it up there, tiger.

It's exactly like segregated water fountains, bathrooms, pools and restaurants from the pre-civil rights south.  How is it not?

It's not, because this is one farking restaurant.  There are no segregated water fountains, bathrooms, or pools.  In fact, there aren't even any segregated restaurants, just this one guy being a piece of shiat.  So no, nowhere even close.  Put a different way, actual segregation was EVERYWHERE.  Every business and government service in every city, town, and hamlet was segregated.  Again, this is one asshole.  One restaurant, not segregation.  So, come up with a more pertinent argument.

I see, so if one business puts up a segregated water fountain its okay because its just one.

Nicely put.

And by permitting such things to happen - it will not inspire like minded bigots. It will forever be that one.

Like minded bigots don't need inspiration, and as long as they are not actually hurting anyone, they are free to do as they please.  At least in this country.  Why do you think the KKK still exists?


No.

Like minded bigots, like many other groups, will model their plans after successful examples.

By allowing this type of illegal discrimination to continue, once publicly exposed, means the public is less protected. The law is less reliable because its enforcement is lacking.

It wasn't so long ago that politicians visited segregated dinners - an action that inherently restricted access by minorities to political candidates.
 
2014-02-07 03:43:18 PM
fark me, after that last post I'm feeling cartoonishly, after school specially, winners don't do drugs-y dramatic. I think I'm gonna go get hooked on caffiene pills in a very special episode.
 
2014-02-07 03:43:20 PM
Fox News would of given this the "HERO" tag.
 
2014-02-07 03:44:09 PM

WTFDYW: Dragonflew: WTFDYW: While this guy is a USDA Grade 'AA' asshole, he is the sole proprietor of the joint and has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

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Prove me wrong and I'll stand corrected but don't give me BS that you think you heard from someone three cubicles over.


Oh my god, seriously?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Civil_Rights_Act
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/restaurants-right-to-r ef use-service.html

But I am only on page 2 of 6 in the thread right now, I imagine you've been sufficiently embarrassed by now.
 
2014-02-07 03:44:17 PM

Bloody William: Swanji: LarryDan43: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

Why would you want to drink at the whites only fountain? Its the same water supply!

This is a far, far cry from segregated water fountains, but go ahead and hyperbole it up there, tiger.

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. "Who cares (because we're not actually in that area)" and "There are bigger fish to fry" is turning a blind eye to that injustice, letting it continue wherever it is.


Wait, so now "injustice" is defined as any time someone is a little mean to someone else, and hurts their feelings?  This is "injustice" because black, crippled, and poor people aren't allowed to eat at a privately owned restaurant that is owned by a man who hates black, crippled, and poor people?  Good lord, how to you make it through the line at the DMV without having an oppression induced nervous breakdown?
 
2014-02-07 03:44:34 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I also like how the dude in the wheelchair was fine with the guy's views until he got discriminated against.


That's the he fundamental principle of modern American conservatism.
 
2014-02-07 03:44:44 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Look at it like this. If this man is forced to serve anyone and everyone who comes in his place and he does so, will you patronize the establishment?


Aggressive, ignorant, bigoted discrimination is socially destructive and hurts both the community and humanity in general. It's a terrible, disgusting thing and any intelligent, ethical person is going to speak out against it, in any instance. This can and should electing to refuse considering patronizing his business.

Were he to end this horrible behavior, he would reset to the normal condition, which is if presented with an opportunity to eat at his establishment, I'd consider it just like any other institution and accept or reject it based on the normal criteria I apply.

Or, to make it easier for you to comprehend, although I shouldn't have to because this is really easy stuff to understand, my criteria for patronizing businesses includes, but is not limited to, not patronizing establishments that engage in horrible, bigoted behavior, because it's irrational, unethical and socially destructive. Now, why is that hard for you to comprehend?
 
2014-02-07 03:44:46 PM

give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
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but you also have this:

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(map of the "Bible Belt")

/ speculation: many Oklahomans are probably descended from people who came from the South....
 
2014-02-07 03:45:02 PM

Bloody William: Dancin_In_Anson: So great. Now blacks can eat at the lunch counter at Woolworths. Why in Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora Duncan's name would they even want to at that point? Why would YOU? You have changed nothing about the people involved, you have not changed any minds or hearts. But now everyone can give Woolworth their money and Woolworth will begrudgingly take it. I think you and I have the same goal in mind just a different view of how to accomplish it.

Because they live there. Because there will always be small fish towns where there are only a handful of minorities. Because there will always be places where people are looked down upon but live there anyway because that's where they live, that's where they come from, and they couldn't move if they wanted to. Because a black man should be able to eat at a lunch counter in North Carolina with as much certainty and safety as a deli in New York. Because injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

If we cannot change minds or hearts, we can at least change actions so those minds and hearts don't hurt people who, unlike those minds and hearts, can't change who or what they are.


That murderer will never feel bad so what's the point of a trial.  What's the point if you cannot change his mind or heart.  Suck it, lib.
 
2014-02-07 03:45:15 PM

Dragonflew: Oh my god, seriously?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Civil_Rights_Act
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/restaurants-right-to-r ef use-service.html

But I am only on page 2 of 6 in the thread right now, I imagine you've been sufficiently embarrassed by now.


Oh Christ it gets worse.

Swanji: Wait, so now "injustice" is defined as any time someone is a little mean to someone else, and hurts their feelings?  This is "injustice" because black, crippled, and poor people aren't allowed to eat at a privately owned restaurant that is owned by a man who hates black, crippled, and poor people?  Good lord, how to you make it through the line at the DMV without having an oppression induced nervous breakdown?


See what I mean?
 
2014-02-07 03:45:21 PM
F*ck that guy.
 
2014-02-07 03:45:23 PM

duffblue: FlashHarry: he doesn't like "f*ggots, n*ggers, cripples and democrats." i'm guessing his CPAC invitation is on its way.

what a vile, subhuman piece of shiat. i really hope he dies a slow death from ass cancer.

How progressive of you.


We already covered the "intolerant of intolerance" bit. Please try to keep up. You'll see quite a few others that are better than you at being edgy on the internet.
 
2014-02-07 03:45:29 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: jso2897: He will only be forced to serve those he has no reasonable, lawful cause to refuse.

WHY THE FARK WOULD YOU WANT TO BE SERVED BY THIS ASSHOLE?


To make him serve me - and show him what the rules of the society he depends upon for survival are - just like I would a car thief or a child molester. Putting one of those in jail doesn't benefit me personally in any way either - in fact, it cosst me money - should I not support it for that reason?
 
2014-02-07 03:45:31 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: jso2897: He will only be forced to serve those he has no reasonable, lawful cause to refuse.

WHY THE FARK WOULD YOU WANT TO BE SERVED BY THIS ASSHOLE?


Or better yet, WHY WOULD YOU WANT THIS ASSHOLE IN CONTROL OF THE FOOD YOU'RE ABOUT TO EAT!!
 
2014-02-07 03:46:09 PM

Bloody William: fark me, after that last post I'm feeling cartoonishly, after school specially, winners don't do drugs-y dramatic. I think I'm gonna go get hooked on caffiene pills in a very special episode.


It's alright, Mark-Paul Gosselaar will hug the problems away

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-07 03:46:38 PM

sendtodave: Iunno, seems a couple people think I have an actual argument, other than general nipple tweaking.


A couple isn't enough. In the context of this society, you lost this debate before you were born.
 
2014-02-07 03:46:39 PM
Well, at least now, Fred Phelps knows where to take the WBC clan after an Oklahoma demonstration.
 
2014-02-07 03:46:41 PM

jso2897: You also advocate his "right" to exercise them in the conduct of running a public accomodation. the law disagrees with you, and if anyone chooses to invoke it, he will lose.


In OK he is free to refuse service to gays and freaks.
 
2014-02-07 03:46:42 PM

Mattyb710: QU!RK1019: KidneyStone: Don't like him?  Don't go to his restaurant.  Simple.  Done.

Or blow outrage all over web forums because that's actually doing something about this.  May as well pray.

Speaking out against injustice is no small act.  Even if it is to those who feel the same way, it reinforces the sense of equality.  For those who may be on the fence, reading the comments of those who don't abide by evil helps to show them the light.  I won't tacitly condone intolerance.

Speaking out against this guy is exactly the right thing to do. Protest outside his building. Publish pictures of everyone who comes out of his restaurant in the newspaper and label them as supporting a bigot.
Shame the people who eat there so much they stop eating there and he goes out of business.

What I don't agree with is having a law that forces someone to do something with their privately owned business that they don't want to.


Again, you really need to brush up on what a "privately-owned business" actually means.

If you want to discriminate against people, opening a business is the wrong way to go about it.
 
2014-02-07 03:47:17 PM

Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
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I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.


You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?
 
2014-02-07 03:48:12 PM

DrewCurtisJr: jso2897: You also advocate his "right" to exercise them in the conduct of running a public accomodation. the law disagrees with you, and if anyone chooses to invoke it, he will lose.

In OK he is free to refuse service to gays and freaks.


What if they're handicapped atheists?
 
2014-02-07 03:48:27 PM

dletter: What I see DIA saying is that he wants to go back to a time where "public" facilities could discriminate.


Wrong.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or better yet, WHY WOULD YOU WANT THIS ASSHOLE IN CONTROL OF THE FOOD YOU'RE ABOUT TO EAT!!


EXACTLY!
 
2014-02-07 03:48:51 PM

PanicMan: F*ck that guy.


Hey, I aint no f*ggot. You f*ck him but then you don't get any food service after.
 
2014-02-07 03:49:20 PM
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Would be disappointed he couldn't this fine establishment.
 
2014-02-07 03:49:30 PM

give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.

You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?


You cling to your definition of "the South", Kentucky, Times change and Oklahoma is now a southern state.
 
2014-02-07 03:49:36 PM

ChipNASA: THANKS OBAMA


Alright. That finally did it. You will now look good in Green 5...
 
2014-02-07 03:50:06 PM

Cat Food Sandwiches: So, your hate for him is somehow more acceptable than his hate for others?


i hate him for the content of his character, not for the color of his skin.

so in a word, "yes."
 
2014-02-07 03:50:08 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Bloody William: In fact, I'm repeating what I said... to you, that you ignored and continue to ignore for the sake of your bullshiat argument that preventing discrimination based on certain groups is the same as preventing any discretion on accepting customers on the part of a business.

So great. Now blacks can eat at the lunch counter at Woolworths. Why in Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora Duncan's name would they even want to at that point? Why would YOU? You have changed nothing about the people involved, you have not changed any minds or hearts. But now everyone can give Woolworth their money and Woolworth will begrudgingly take it. I think you and I have the same goal in mind just a different view of how to accomplish it.


Nobody is trying to change a racist or stop him/her from having racist feelings. I don't know why that's so hard to understand. The owner can be as racist as a watermelon in a noose and still provide equally adequate customer service to a black person. You know, I knid of LIKE going out to eat without checking the farking Yelp page to see if the resturant I'm headed to acceots Negros. I know you just can't grasp why that might be a good thing to me, but it is.
 
2014-02-07 03:51:03 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Bloody William: In fact, I'm repeating what I said... to you, that you ignored and continue to ignore for the sake of your bullshiat argument that preventing discrimination based on certain groups is the same as preventing any discretion on accepting customers on the part of a business.

So great. Now blacks can eat at the lunch counter at Woolworths. Why in Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora Duncan's name would they even want to at that point? Why would YOU? You have changed nothing about the people involved, you have not changed any minds or hearts.


Actually, we have.  Segregated facilities was the norm and that perpetuated racism.  Children growing up in those towns learned that segregation was the way things were, it was the social norm.  Your father and your grandfather told you that those people should be discriminated against and you saw confirmation of that everywhere.  What else would you believe??

If you asked white people in Birmingham in in 1960 if segregation was right and proper, I'm sure a large fraction would say it was.  If you go back and ask that same question in the same place today, enormously fewer people would agree and most that did would be over the age 60.

What happened?  We didn't impinge on people's right to hold those views, or even on their right to express them.  But the world changed, and it changed because we changed the environment and people can't look to the nearest "whites only" sign for confirmation of their prejudices and because they now had to interact with "those people" and learned that they really are human.
 
2014-02-07 03:51:09 PM

free_xenu: Would be disappointed he couldn't this fine establishment.


well, GG allin was famous for eating shiat. i'm guessing he'd have been right at home at this "restaurant."
 
2014-02-07 03:51:45 PM

FlashHarry: Cat Food Sandwiches: So, your hate for him is somehow more acceptable than his hate for others?

i hate him for the content of his character, not for the color of his skin.

so in a word, "yes."


Well said.
 
2014-02-07 03:51:45 PM
You can't make this shiat up. Or, maybe you can, who the hell knows.
 
2014-02-07 03:52:03 PM

scottydoesntknow: Mattyb710: scottydoesntknow: Mattyb710: Public places, and transportation and other places like that should serve anyone and everyone, including 100% handicap access.

Ummm, his restaurant IS a public place.

He could probably fix it if he turned it into a private club, but right now it's open to the public, it's a public place. You can't say "Open to the white public with jobs". It's either public or private.

Unless his business is receiving money from the government or is partly owned by the county or something it is a privately owned place. I feel if something is privately owned then the owner should be able to decide how to run it.

No, it isn't. You really need to brush up on the difference between private and public. A privately owned business that is open to the public is subject to anti-discrimination laws. Simple as that. What you think, and what the law says, are two entirely different things here.

Privately-owned/operated businesses and buildings. Privately-owned businesses and facilities that offer certain goods or services to the public -- including food, lodging, gasoline, and entertainment -- are considered public accommodations for purposes of federal and state anti-discrimination laws. For purposes of disability discrimination, the definition of a "public accommodation" is even more broad, encompassing most businesses that are open to the public (regardless of type).


Thank you for pasting something everyone in this thread already knows. Let me spell it out a little more, since you don't seem to get what I'm saying. I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.

Bane of Broone: Bane of Broone: Bloody William: Mattyb710: What I don't agree with is having a law that forces someone to do something with their privately owned business that they don't want to.

Civil Rights Act of 1964. This isn't a new law. This isn't a new concept. This isn't being butthurt about someone's wacky opinion. This is preventing the systematic discrimination of people based on matters beyond their control become the norm again.

Yes, but Matty "feels" otherwise. Why can't you be a real liberal and be open-minded enough to support him in his efforts to promote racism?

FTFM


Strawman much? I'm not supporting his right to promote racism (and he's a prejudiced bigot, if we want to be accurate.) The people who continue to eat there are promoting his farked up views. I wouldn't piss on this guy if he was on fire. I think the guy is an ignorant farktard. I'm supporting his right to do as he pleases with private property. Obviously the law disagrees. I don't agree with that law. Maybe you should petition to have a bill signed into law that makes it illegal to disagree with any laws.
 
2014-02-07 03:52:35 PM

jso2897: You are quite right, in the abstract - but we don't live in the panorama of history - we live now, and we do what most men do - attempt to move society forward incrementally. A hundred and fifty years ago, we had to fight a war to establish that men are not property.
70 years ago, people marched and demonstrated and were arrested and beaten and firehosed and bit by police dogs and murdered on dark country roads to establish, among other things, that people can't do what he is doing.
A hundred years from now, we will be struggling to advance mankind beyond some other stupidity.
There IS a right side and a wrong one - a good one and a bad one.
I, by the way, feel no hate for anyone - I have not been victimized, and have had an easy, pleasant, spoiled, white boy's life. I've got no business hating anybody. But I do know an asshole when I see one, and I would prefer, all things considered, to see assholes lose every fight they get in.



See, you're doing it again. You are imposing absolutes on relative things. The real difference between the right side and the wrong side is who wins and who loses. You see the progress of social values and you see it as good, because the winners of these social struggles say it is good. Not only are you being myopic, you are being incredibly Eurocentric. The progression of social values that you see is really only what happened to Western Civ over the last couple thousand years. Not only are you discounting the cultural progression of other societies, but you are also discounting the 100,000 some odd years of human history that's been lost to us.

By the way, this is all purely academic. While I believe that all morality is completely relative in a philosophical sense, only a total sociopath lives that way. I think that's an important distinction.
 
2014-02-07 03:53:11 PM

sovietski: I am also ok with this location being the site of the Oklahoma FARK party. I can bring my friend, who's gay, and his brother, who walks with cane (car accident) and has long hair!!I could dress like a "freak" and wear my cubicle mate's College Democrats button on my shirt./let's make this happen


Damn, I may need to make a road trip...

/carry on, you magnificent bastards.
 
2014-02-07 03:53:14 PM

Bloody William: If we cannot change minds or hearts, we can at least change actions so those minds and hearts don't hurt people who, unlike those minds and hearts, can't change who or what they are.


Well, I  tell you what. Let's make this guy serve whoever walks in the door. You and I can go and you wear a shirt that says something like "I Love (whatever this guy hates)". Then you order a burger from him and eat the whole thing. I'll have a beer instead. You in?

Oh and you can pay as I think I have made my policy on who is worthy of my hard earned dollars.
 
2014-02-07 03:53:21 PM

Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.

You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?

You cling to your definition of "the South", Kentucky, Times change and Oklahoma is now a southern state.


Call it that all you want, it's still a Western state.
 
2014-02-07 03:53:51 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Bloody William: In fact, I'm repeating what I said... to you, that you ignored and continue to ignore for the sake of your bullshiat argument that preventing discrimination based on certain groups is the same as preventing any discretion on accepting customers on the part of a business.

So great. Now blacks can eat at the lunch counter at Woolworths. Why in Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora Duncan's name would they even want to at that point? Why would YOU? You have changed nothing about the people involved, you have not changed any minds or hearts. But now everyone can give Woolworth their money and Woolworth will begrudgingly take it. I think you and I have the same goal in mind just a different view of how to accomplish it.


Historically, discrimination like this limited access in the political process.

It also limited your ability to network which leads to things like employment.

There's also the argument that we shouldn't tolerate this absurdity because it's wrong.
 
2014-02-07 03:54:05 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: The owner can be as racist as a watermelon in a noose and still provide equally adequate customer service to a black person.


My offer above applies to you as well.
 
2014-02-07 03:54:20 PM

TheGogmagog: coeyagi: FTFV in TFA:

[img.fark.net image 673x377]

Corrupt LEOs.

/So that would be between 10% and 90% of them.  I wonder how he tells them apart.


Did he spell AFL-CIO wrong?

How do you do that?.  It's an acronym.  It's spelled the way it's pronounced.

Me thinks that's not the only error on that shirt.
 
2014-02-07 03:54:29 PM

free_xenu: [cps-static.rovicorp.com image 500x498]

Would be disappointed he couldn't this fine establishment.


Familiar.

Somehow I dont think Allin would have found his way to Oklahoma. Coulda been a good one though.
 
2014-02-07 03:54:40 PM
Oklahomos
 
2014-02-07 03:56:44 PM

trappedspirit: James!: trappedspirit: James!: Gosh, Oklahoma must be a nice place to never visit ever.

You're going to answer his challenge with prejudiced discrimination against a whole state?

/like a boss

Yeah.  Life's not fair.  Douchebags reflect poorly on their community.

Are we still talking about your response or did we switch back?


If you keep clutching your pearls so hard you'll break them.
 
2014-02-07 03:57:48 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: DROxINxTHExWIND: The owner can be as racist as a watermelon in a noose and still provide equally adequate customer service to a black person.

My offer above applies to you as well.



You mean the goalposts that you moved from, "he shouldn't have to serve you" to "why would you want him to serve you if he hates you"?
 
2014-02-07 03:57:53 PM

Mattyb710: scottydoesntknow: Mattyb710: scottydoesntknow: Mattyb710: Public places, and transportation and other places like that should serve anyone and everyone, including 100% handicap access.

Ummm, his restaurant IS a public place.

He could probably fix it if he turned it into a private club, but right now it's open to the public, it's a public place. You can't say "Open to the white public with jobs". It's either public or private.

Unless his business is receiving money from the government or is partly owned by the county or something it is a privately owned place. I feel if something is privately owned then the owner should be able to decide how to run it.

No, it isn't. You really need to brush up on the difference between private and public. A privately owned business that is open to the public is subject to anti-discrimination laws. Simple as that. What you think, and what the law says, are two entirely different things here.

Privately-owned/operated businesses and buildings. Privately-owned businesses and facilities that offer certain goods or services to the public -- including food, lodging, gasoline, and entertainment -- are considered public accommodations for purposes of federal and state anti-discrimination laws. For purposes of disability discrimination, the definition of a "public accommodation" is even more broad, encompassing most businesses that are open to the public (regardless of type).

Thank you for pasting something everyone in this thread already knows. Let me spell it out a little more, since you don't seem to get what I'm saying. I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.

Bane of Broone: Bane of Broone: Bloody William: Mattyb710: What I don't agree with is having a law that forces someone to do something with their privately owned business that they don't want to.

Civil Rights Act of 1964. This isn't a new law. This isn't a new c ...


Disagree all you want. Not only does the law not agree with you, but you don't agree with what private property really is either (as shown before). You have to create your own reality to support your beliefs. "I don't agree with this law or that definition.. It should be what I say it is!", lol. Think and believe whatever you like. Reality says otherwise. No wonder Florida has it's own tag. XD
 
2014-02-07 03:57:58 PM

Premeditated_Road_Rage: Well, at least now, Fred Phelps knows where to take the WBC clan after an Oklahoma demonstration.


Nope. The Phelps brood claims, hilariously, to be democrats.
 
2014-02-07 03:58:03 PM
Eh, cripples are a hassle with all the ramps and cripply paraphernalia. The deaf are assholes though. F*ck the deaf.
 
2014-02-07 03:58:18 PM

Mattyb710: Thank you for pasting something everyone in this thread already knows. Let me spell it out a little more, since you don't seem to get what I'm saying. I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.


We do understand that you think that. What you don't understand is that you cannot live by that any more in this society, any more than you could keep slaves or forbid your sister to vote. You may THINK that you ought to be able to do those things still - but you can't.  It's not an opinion to be seriously entertained - no matter how plausible it seems to you.
far smarter men than you have argued what you are arguing, all the way to the highest courts in the land. Smarter men argued against them, proved them wrong, and they lost. It is morally, ethically, philosophically and legally OVER.
 
2014-02-07 03:59:08 PM
As an Oklahoman I say, "fark that guy"

Also: Enid is nowhere near Oklahoma City.
 
2014-02-07 03:59:09 PM
media2.s-nbcnews.com
 
2014-02-07 03:59:37 PM

give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.

You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?

You cling to your definition of "the South", Kentucky, Times change and Oklahoma is now a southern state.

Call it that all you want, it's still a Western state.


img.fark.net

No, it's not.
 
2014-02-07 03:59:41 PM

Shryke: QU!RK1019: KidneyStone: Don't like him?  Don't go to his restaurant.  Simple.  Done.

Or blow outrage all over web forums because that's actually doing something about this.  May as well pray.

Speaking out against injustice is no small act.

On Fark? Haha.

Even if it is to those who feel the same way, it reinforces the sense of equality.

Funny, I'd call that an "echo chamber".

 For those who may be on the fence, reading the comments of those who don't abide by evil helps to show them the light.

Let's get something straight: this man might have repugnant views, but in no way does that render him "evil". Your label is immoral and un-American.

I won't tacitly condone intolerance.

Here, put this big red S on for me, so we can all identify you properly as you leap over buildings in a single bound.


Belittle me all you want, it won't change my mind that it's the right thing to do.
 
2014-02-07 04:00:06 PM

Mattyb710: Thank you for pasting something everyone in this thread already knows. Let me spell it out a little more, since you don't seem to get what I'm saying. I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.


I get exactly what you're saying.

Thankfully your opinion, and the law, disagree entirely.

If you want to open a business, you will be subject to anti-discrimination laws.

In your mind, it's just one guy. But it was NOT like that 5 decades ago. That's why these laws were created. By letting him get away with it, you set a precedent that it's okay to do so.

So what happens when all the gas stations decide they don't want to give gas to black people? What happens when all the grocery stores decide they don't want Mexicans shopping there?

When is it okay for one business to discriminate, but not another?
 
2014-02-07 04:00:07 PM
White waitress: "Hey... we don't serve n*ggers here!"
Black diner: "Well that's fine 'cause I don't eat those motherf*ckers!"
/too dry and stringy
//gimme a plump juicy w*tb*ck instead
///hope he dies of bunghole cancer
 
2014-02-07 04:00:28 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Dancin_In_Anson: DROxINxTHExWIND: The owner can be as racist as a watermelon in a noose and still provide equally adequate customer service to a black person.

My offer above applies to you as well.


You mean the goalposts that you moved from, "he shouldn't have to serve you" to "why would you want him to serve you if he hates you"?


The point is nobody is forcing you to hire John Wayne Gacy to make balloon animals at your kids birthday party.

I don't believe that just because someone breaks the law that they should be punished by the law.  Is that so hard to understand?
 
2014-02-07 04:00:34 PM

Mattyb710: Strawman much? I'm not supporting his right to promote racism (and he's a prejudiced bigot, if we want to be accurate.) The people who continue to eat there are promoting his farked up views. I wouldn't piss on this guy if he was on fire. I think the guy is an ignorant farktard. I'm supporting his right to do as he pleases with private property. Obviously the law disagrees. I don't agree with that law. Maybe you should petition to have a bill signed into law that makes it illegal to disagree with any laws.


Publicly accessible businesses aren't the same as "private property" nor should it be. Nor should businesses be able to discriminate in this manner. Here is why, and again, it's really irritating that people can't figure this out on their own because it's really simple and obvious.

Say you're a black family in a small town. Discrimination against blacks is institutionalized. The local grocer won't serve you. Nor will any diners. The dentist won't service you. The schools won't take your children. You can't just set up competing businesses. You lack the capital and how can your small, underfunded business compete, only managing to serve the poor, underprivileged minority community that can't get served at the superior alternatives. You can't just move; just hiking your family around randomly is expensive and detrimental and the other communities may be as bad or worse in their discrimination. A significant segment of your society is now severely disenfranchised, such that it threatens their health, destroys their livelihood and even threatens their future, as opportunities for education are threatened. This is horrific for any society, but most significantly for those discriminated against. No sane society should want this, and no sane society would allow it. Laws against this are every bit as important as laws against just randomly murdering strangers. 

What you support is wrong. It would be terrible for society and there is absolutely no good reason to want it. It's time for you and a lot of people to get it through your heads that, "I should be able to do whatever I want no matter how stupid and nobody should be able to tell me not to," is a stupid philosophy that should guide neither the law nor your own life. It's just childish stubbornness.
 
2014-02-07 04:00:37 PM

Bloody William: Dancin_In_Anson: So great. Now blacks can eat at the lunch counter at Woolworths. Why in Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora Duncan's name would they even want to at that point? Why would YOU? You have changed nothing about the people involved, you have not changed any minds or hearts. But now everyone can give Woolworth their money and Woolworth will begrudgingly take it. I think you and I have the same goal in mind just a different view of how to accomplish it.

Because they live there. Because there will always be small fish towns where there are only a handful of minorities. Because there will always be places where people are looked down upon but live there anyway because that's where they live, that's where they come from, and they couldn't move if they wanted to. Because a black man should be able to eat at a lunch counter in North Carolina with as much certainty and safety as a deli in New York. Because injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

If we cannot change minds or hearts, we can at least change actions so those minds and hearts don't hurt people who, unlike those minds and hearts, can't change who or what they are.


I'll never be treated equally in China, no matter how long I live there.

That's a lotta racism and injustice!

Much more efficient to give farks about that, instead of one hick in nowheresville, no?

Unless "anywhere" just means " within the us?"

Heck, this hick is probably even less racist than your average racist Asian. And there are billions of racist Asians.

"Haha but that has no bearing!"

Ok. So...Cultural relativism. Is it a thing? If so, nowheresville hick shouldn't have to change. Racism is part of his culture.

If not, billions of people around the world need to "catch up" to coastal liberal sensibilities.
 
2014-02-07 04:01:13 PM
Somebody is going to get sued
 
2014-02-07 04:01:43 PM

thehobbes: Take 35 through Wichita, always seems faster.


It's not.  I've done it both ways.  It takes about the same amount of time both directions, but taking 412 into Boise City and then OK 3 west (actually north) into Colorado is a farkton less boring.
 
2014-02-07 04:01:49 PM

suburbanguy: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.

You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?

You cling to your definition of "the South", Kentucky, Times change and Oklahoma is now a southern state.

Call it that all you want, it's still a Western state.

[img.fark.net image 350x230]

No, it's not.


Damn, those pesky facts always get in the way.
 
2014-02-07 04:02:18 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Well, I  tell you what. Let's make this guy serve whoever walks in the door. You and I can go and you wear a shirt that says something like "I Love (whatever this guy hates)". Then you order a burger from him and eat the whole thing. I'll have a beer instead. You in?


And I'll repeat myself again.

Bloody William: A problem with someone as an individual for their opinions or behavior is different than a problem with someone as an assumed characteristic of their identity. If someone has a problem with me being the sum of my actions and statements, that's a personal matter. If someone has a problem with me because of the color of my skin, the ethnicity of my parents, or the usability of my legs, that's a bigger problem. Specifically, it's a bigger problem that, if you'd acknowledge the Woolworth's counter photos in this thread, was only solved when legislation was passed to protect those designated "someones."


So no. I won't make this guy serve whoever walks in. I will, however, make him serve whoever walks in who does not disrupt the establishment and is able to pay for his services. As a business owner, he has the right to refuse serving people. He doesn't have the right to refuse serving "types" of people.

Here's a link on the legal options he has in refusing service.

What I'm trying to say is stop making this into a situation of extremes where he's absolutely forced to serve anyone who walks through his door. That isn't the case, and you either know that's the case or you are willfully ignorant of the current state of the law.

Translation: The terms you give are wrong, and I won't play your game because they are wrong.
 
Ant
2014-02-07 04:02:24 PM

James!: Gosh, Oklahoma must be a nice place to never visit ever.


It's not all like that. I mean, one of the most hippy-ish bands in the world is from there, The Flaming Lips, so it can't be all bad. You're having a bout of confirmation bias here.
 
2014-02-07 04:02:25 PM

Shryke: HotWingConspiracy: He's free to believe that, he's not free to run his business in that way.

I am wondering if his business is grandfathered in from the laws you cited earlier.


The Civil Rights Act doesn't work that way.
 
2014-02-07 04:02:27 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Bloody William: In fact, I'm repeating what I said... to you, that you ignored and continue to ignore for the sake of your bullshiat argument that preventing discrimination based on certain groups is the same as preventing any discretion on accepting customers on the part of a business.

So great. Now blacks can eat at the lunch counter at Woolworths. Why in Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora Duncan's name would they even want to at that point? Why would YOU? You have changed nothing about the people involved, you have not changed any minds or hearts. But now everyone can give Woolworth their money and Woolworth will begrudgingly take it. I think you and I have the same goal in mind just a different view of how to accomplish it.


Your right, you do have a different view and the same goals.

Here's the difference between the two:  you argue it shouldn't be necessary from ideals, and he demonstrates it is factually necessary from history.  Why should anyone trust your idealism over empirical fact?
 
2014-02-07 04:02:40 PM

Magnanimous_J: jso2897: You are quite right, in the abstract - but we don't live in the panorama of history - we live now, and we do what most men do - attempt to move society forward incrementally. A hundred and fifty years ago, we had to fight a war to establish that men are not property.
70 years ago, people marched and demonstrated and were arrested and beaten and firehosed and bit by police dogs and murdered on dark country roads to establish, among other things, that people can't do what he is doing.
A hundred years from now, we will be struggling to advance mankind beyond some other stupidity.
There IS a right side and a wrong one - a good one and a bad one.
I, by the way, feel no hate for anyone - I have not been victimized, and have had an easy, pleasant, spoiled, white boy's life. I've got no business hating anybody. But I do know an asshole when I see one, and I would prefer, all things considered, to see assholes lose every fight they get in.


See, you're doing it again. You are imposing absolutes on relative things. The real difference between the right side and the wrong side is who wins and who loses. You see the progress of social values and you see it as good, because the winners of these social struggles say it is good. Not only are you being myopic, you are being incredibly Eurocentric. The progression of social values that you see is really only what happened to Western Civ over the last couple thousand years. Not only are you discounting the cultural progression of other societies, but you are also discounting the 100,000 some odd years of human history that's been lost to us.

By the way, this is all purely academic. While I believe that all morality is completely relative in a philosophical sense, only a total sociopath lives that way. I think that's an important distinction.


I don't mean this as snark - I honestly haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about, or how it would relate to anything I think about anything. Sorry. Maybe it has to do withthe fact that the "purely academic" has never held much interest for me - i'm a pragmatist, not an abstract thinker. And in my view, that which causes harm to innocent people is objectively wrong - as a practical matter.
 
2014-02-07 04:03:00 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: You're putting up time and effort defending-but-no-I'm-totally-not-defending him.

I'm defending his right to be an asshole.


Yes, but this requires you to support his discrimination. He can't run his business like that, and you have a problem with it.

Whatever happened to "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." ?

He's obviously doing more than talking.
 
2014-02-07 04:03:38 PM

scottydoesntknow: Mattyb710: Thank you for pasting something everyone in this thread already knows. Let me spell it out a little more, since you don't seem to get what I'm saying. I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.


I get exactly what you're saying.

Thankfully your opinion, and the law, disagree entirely.


...

"I don't believe that there should be discrimination laws."
"Well, the law disagrees with you!"

wat
 
2014-02-07 04:04:00 PM
Magnanimous_J:  While I believe that all morality is completely relative in a philosophical sense, only a total sociopath lives that way. I think that's an important distinction.

As is the subtler distinction between the total sociopath, on the one hand, and the many good and noble folks with mild to severe sociopathic tendencies, a/k/a the inhabitants of Fark.
 
2014-02-07 04:04:02 PM

sovietski: I am also ok with this location being the site of the Oklahoma FARK party. I can bring my friend, who's gay, and his brother, who walks with cane (car accident) and has long hair!!

I could dress like a "freak" and wear my cubicle mate's College Democrats button on my shirt.


I'll bring my fursuit and I wouldn't mind if someone put a bear pride shirt on it.
 
2014-02-07 04:04:07 PM

meathome: James!: Gosh, Oklahoma must be a nice place to never visit ever.

my BIL is from Oklahoma.

/It explains a lot about him.


I'm from Oklahoma. It's a good place to be from.
 
2014-02-07 04:04:34 PM
I live in Tulsa but I have to be in Enid next week for work.  Hmm......

/Probably get thrown out for wearing a suit.
 
2014-02-07 04:04:50 PM
I should have known this would be the big Friday thread.
 
2014-02-07 04:05:47 PM

suburbanguy: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.

You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?

You cling to your definition of "the South", Kentucky, Times change and Oklahoma is now a southern state.

Call it that all you want, it's still a Western state.

[img.fark.net image 350x230]

No, it's not.


The important takeaway here:  nobody wants Oklahoma.
 
2014-02-07 04:06:01 PM
sendtodave: words

I'm willing to hear your point of view, but could you phrase it in a way that doesn't sound like beat poetry as expressed through tweets? There doesn't seem to be any substance in whatever you just said. Please elaborate, using sentences combined into paragraphs to express a complex opinion.
 
2014-02-07 04:06:05 PM

sovietski: Lolwut? How did I miss this?


They were in front of the Rib Crib across from the Electric Circus, pretty much caused RC to close for the night to avoid dealing with 'em.  Which is a bummer because RC was doing bang-up business before they showed up.
 
2014-02-07 04:06:58 PM

Swanji: teenytinycornteeth: Swanji: teenytinycornteeth: DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

[img.fark.net image 243x207]

Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!

Oh for fark's sake.  "Pussy" in that context has nothing to do with the female anatomy.  That may be its origin, but in today's vernacular, it no longer refers to a vagina.  Stop your whining.

Listen, I don't give a rat's ass if he uses the term or not.  But the fact that he posted a picture of "I don't think that word means what you think it means" implies that there was no way that word could be construed as such.  When quite obviously it could since that's how the word began its life as an insult.

The point of the picture was that "pussy" in the context used doesn't mean that any more, and therefore there is no way it could be construed as such.  So no it can't obviously, because it doesn't.


Yeah, his complaint is totally gay. He should get the sand out of his vagina, amirite?
 
2014-02-07 04:07:15 PM
Bloody William:

If we cannot change minds or hearts, we can at least change actions so those minds and hearts don't hurt people who, unlike those minds and hearts, can't change who or what they are.

I like the fairytale we tell ourselves about how much more enlightened we've become. If equal rights laws were to disappear, we'd be back to segregation by the end of the week. Everyone is a racist bigot to some degree and laws don't change that.
 
2014-02-07 04:07:31 PM

haemaker: Oklahoman does the Oklahomiest thing possible, film at eleven.


I think I need to go down there, with my VA ID card and indefinite expiration military ID in hand, and see if he serves me and my two friends who happen to be a lesbian couple that are engaged. If he does, then I'll pronounce--loudly--that even though I became disabled while protecting his absolute right to be a complete supporter of Russia and its laws, I prefer to spend his tax money that I earned by bleeding in defense of his right to be an ass and in defense of gays, 'freaks', Muslims, and disabled peoples rights to be who they are somewhere that respects the everyone's Constitutional rights.
 
2014-02-07 04:07:33 PM

DrewCurtisJr: He's been in business for 44 years, so you are probably incorrect.


I mean outside of the walls of his establishment.
 
2014-02-07 04:07:43 PM

sendtodave: scottydoesntknow: Mattyb710: Thank you for pasting something everyone in this thread already knows. Let me spell it out a little more, since you don't seem to get what I'm saying. I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.


I get exactly what you're saying.

Thankfully your opinion, and the law, disagree entirely.

...

"I don't believe that there should be discrimination laws."
"Well, the law disagrees with you!"

wat


Says the dumbfark who thinks China actually has something to do with this conversation.
 
2014-02-07 04:07:46 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I also like how the dude in the wheelchair was fine with the guy's views until he got discriminated against.


Yeah he said he went there for years and turned a blind eye until it happened to him...Wheelchair guy is just as bad as the owner is.
 
2014-02-07 04:07:49 PM

Rapmaster2000: The important takeaway here:  nobody wants Oklahoma.


That's OK.
 
2014-02-07 04:07:49 PM

give me doughnuts: When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?


I have a hard time really considering it anything else.  Culturally, it's  deep South, imho.
 
2014-02-07 04:07:58 PM

4tehsnowflakes: Magnanimous_J:  While I believe that all morality is completely relative in a philosophical sense, only a total sociopath lives that way. I think that's an important distinction.

As is the subtler distinction between the total sociopath, on the one hand, and the many good and noble folks with mild to severe sociopathic tendencies, a/k/a the inhabitants of Fark.


It's not my fault.  I'm a Randian Superhero with mild autism.
 
2014-02-07 04:08:49 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: dletter: What I see DIA saying is that he wants to go back to a time where "public" facilities could discriminate.

Wrong.


Can you elaborate?

Are you claiming that he doesn't run a public establishment?
Are you claiming you haven't been saying he has the right to refuse service because someone is black, gay, a "moocher", or any other number of things he says he will (and has shown to) deny service for (maybe you are not saying that, but, appears that you have been, clarify if I am wrong there)?
 
2014-02-07 04:09:06 PM

scottydoesntknow: sendtodave: scottydoesntknow: Mattyb710: Thank you for pasting something everyone in this thread already knows. Let me spell it out a little more, since you don't seem to get what I'm saying. I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.


I get exactly what you're saying.

Thankfully your opinion, and the law, disagree entirely.

...

"I don't believe that there should be discrimination laws."
"Well, the law disagrees with you!"

wat

Says the dumbfark who thinks China actually has something to do with this conversation.


Racism is racism, right?
 
2014-02-07 04:10:26 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: many Oklahomans are probably descended from people who came from the South....


Well, yeah, where do you think the Trail of Tears  started and  went to?
 
2014-02-07 04:11:01 PM
So, is it a dick move if I eat there and don't tip? Ooh! Or what if I don't tip, but I leave a nasty note detailing how I don't tip bigots?
 
2014-02-07 04:11:06 PM

suburbanguy: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.

You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?

You cling to your definition of "the South", Kentucky, Times change and Oklahoma is now a southern state.

Call it that all you want, it's still a Western state.

[img.fark.net image 350x230]

No, it's not.



What's the criteria? Is it geography? Is it historical? What sets your dividing lines?

If you want to go with the strictly geographical, then you'll have to use the geopraphical center of the contiguous US. That puts almost all of Kansas, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, and California in the southern half of the country, as well as all of Arizona and New Mexico.
If you want historical (meaning the Confederacy), then your own map is incorrect as it includes Missouri and Kentucky (neither of which seceded), and does include West Virginia (which only came into being by their refusal to go along with secession).

Incidentally, the center of the contiguous states in only six minutes of latitude north of the Mason-Dixon line.
 
2014-02-07 04:12:01 PM

Lawnchair: give me doughnuts: When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

I have a hard time really considering it anything else.  Culturally, it's  deep South, imho.


What about the disproportionately large Native American population compared to other deep South states, second only to Alaska in percentage of Native American residents?
 
Ant
2014-02-07 04:12:06 PM

Diogenes: From the linked article:

Gard said, "He doesn't like certain people of race, color, ethnicity."

Gard was a regular at Gary's Chicaros restaurant for years.

He said he turned a blind eye to the owner's choice of customers, until recently.

Gard said, "Now, he tried to find a weak excuse not to let me in with my wheelchair or the weak excuse of having loud people with me."

So, sorry for your disability.  But you're kind of an asshole, too.


This seems to be standard operating practice for far too many people. They don't see anything wrong until it affects them personally.

/see conservative politician with gay child, etc, etc...
 
2014-02-07 04:12:23 PM

CleanAndPure: There is a chain in Columbia, SC called Miyo's that I won't eat at after hearing numerous reports of the owner being a biatch to certain peoples.

A friend of my wife's said she was shooed out of the restaurant for asking about allergens- allegedly she was told "people with allergies should not eat out and arnt welcome at her restaurant."

Shame. They have quite nice food.

Then there is Maurice's BBQ where the owner used to distribute kkk pamphlets.


Actually he went to the Supreme Court to keep blacks out of his restaurants.

He basically used to refuse to serve anybody from out of state, and only used local companies - reason being is that if we wasn't engaged in interstate commerce, the federal government and federal civil rights laws would not apply.

Can't find the link to the case at the minute, but the court's reasoning that he was engaged in interstate commerce wasn't really all that sound. Even though the verdict achieved a good outcome (integration), I really don't care for the leaps and logic used to achieve the end goal.
 
2014-02-07 04:12:23 PM
Basically, are civil rights laws like "don't be racist" just good sense governmental protections, or are they moral imperatives that...  sensitive people should start crusades over?
 
2014-02-07 04:12:54 PM

Lawnchair: give me doughnuts: When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

I have a hard time really considering it anything else.  Culturally, it's  deep South, imho.


Have you even been to Oklahoma?
 
2014-02-07 04:12:57 PM
how the fark is this thread nearly 400 comments long? is there actually some debate as to whether or not this racist piece of filth has the right to deny service to people based on their skin color or sexual orientation?
 
2014-02-07 04:13:33 PM

sendtodave: "I don't believe that there should be discrimination laws."
"Well, the law disagrees with you!"

wat


Funny Rand Paul ran with this as part of his platform. He does not feel businesses should be required to serve people regardless of their color, ethnicity etc...
 
2014-02-07 04:14:22 PM

Mattyb710: I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.


Discrimination damages the health and safety of a community.  The effects may not be immediate, but they can be severe, even lethal.
 
2014-02-07 04:14:37 PM

FlashHarry: how the fark is this thread nearly 400 comments long? is there actually some debate as to whether or not this racist piece of filth has the right to deny service to people based on their skin color or sexual orientation?


To answer your question, yes. To answer your question correctly, imagine I am taking an exasperated sigh and rolling my eyes as I say yes.
 
2014-02-07 04:14:44 PM
give me doughnuts:


What's the criteria? Is it geography? Is it historical? What sets your dividing lines?

If you want to go with the strictly geographical, then you'll have to use the geopraphical center of the contiguous US. That puts almost all of Kansas, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, and California in the southern half of the country, as well as all of Arizona and New Mexico.
If you want historical (meaning the Confederacy), then your own map is incorrect as it includes Missouri and Kentucky (neither of which seceded), and does include West Virginia (which only came into being by their refusal to go along with secession).

Incidentally, the center of the contiguous states in only six minutes of latitude north of the Mason-Dixon line.


I live in GA and don't feel OK is Southern at all.  Let's just call that whole strip "the plains".  Give East Texas to the South and West Texas to the West.  South Florida goes to the Caribbean.

Missouri gets nothing because nobody likes Missouri.
 
2014-02-07 04:15:05 PM
Do they have big salads?
 
2014-02-07 04:15:14 PM

Bloody William: FlashHarry: how the fark is this thread nearly 400 comments long? is there actually some debate as to whether or not this racist piece of filth has the right to deny service to people based on their skin color or sexual orientation?

To answer your question, yes. To answer your question correctly, imagine I am taking an exasperated sigh and rolling my eyes as I say yes.


Welcome to Fark.
 
2014-02-07 04:15:30 PM

FlashHarry: how the fark is this thread nearly 400 comments long? is there actually some debate as to whether or not this racist piece of filth has the right to deny service to people based on their skin color or sexual orientation?


Lol, I came in here wondering the same thing.  I think they're now discussing whether or not Oklahoma is part of "The South".
 
2014-02-07 04:15:34 PM

Clever Neologism: Dancin_In_Anson: Bloody William: In fact, I'm repeating what I said... to you, that you ignored and continue to ignore for the sake of your bullshiat argument that preventing discrimination based on certain groups is the same as preventing any discretion on accepting customers on the part of a business.

So great. Now blacks can eat at the lunch counter at Woolworths. Why in Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora Duncan's name would they even want to at that point? Why would YOU? You have changed nothing about the people involved, you have not changed any minds or hearts. But now everyone can give Woolworth their money and Woolworth will begrudgingly take it. I think you and I have the same goal in mind just a different view of how to accomplish it.

Your right, you do have a different view and the same goals.

Here's the difference between the two:  you argue it shouldn't be necessary from ideals, and he demonstrates it is factually necessary from history.  Why should anyone trust your idealism over empirical fact?



Because freedom?
 
2014-02-07 04:15:40 PM
What if a veteren who lost limbs in a war came in, would he refuse to serve them then?
/ fark this guy.
 
2014-02-07 04:15:51 PM

I Like Shiny Things: Do they have big salads?


I think so, but you can't get them tossed.
 
2014-02-07 04:16:03 PM

free_xenu: [cps-static.rovicorp.com image 500x498]

Would be disappointed he couldn't this fine establishment.


Came for this.  Leaving this troll convention naked, bloody and covered in poo.
 
2014-02-07 04:16:06 PM

Bontesla: Dancin_In_Anson: Bloody William: In fact, I'm repeating what I said... to you, that you ignored and continue to ignore for the sake of your bullshiat argument that preventing discrimination based on certain groups is the same as preventing any discretion on accepting customers on the part of a business.

So great. Now blacks can eat at the lunch counter at Woolworths. Why in Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora Duncan's name would they even want to at that point? Why would YOU? You have changed nothing about the people involved, you have not changed any minds or hearts. But now everyone can give Woolworth their money and Woolworth will begrudgingly take it. I think you and I have the same goal in mind just a different view of how to accomplish it.

Historically, discrimination like this limited access in the political process.

It also limited your ability to network which leads to things like employment.

There's also the argument that we shouldn't tolerate this absurdity because it's wrong.


Sometimes there's an advantage to allowing the shiatbags like this to publicly fly their hate. It emboldens others who might otherwise hide their bullshiat.

I do think, though, it's better to just deal with them when they pop up. Society is under no obligation to allow business like this to exist, let alone prosper. It reflects poorly on everyone and contributes to decay.
 
2014-02-07 04:16:45 PM
Well it's their right to refuse service to anyone they choose, an my right to not go there despite not falling into any of the forbidden categories.

I bet they've served a lot more gays and freaks than they realize though.
 
2014-02-07 04:17:33 PM
Oklahoma restaurant won't serve 'freaks,' 'f*ggots,' the disabled and welfare recipients. . .


That's okay -- they're probably all tough & gamey anyway.
 
2014-02-07 04:17:47 PM

James10952001: Well it's their right to refuse service to anyone they choose, an my right to not go there despite not falling into any of the forbidden categories.

I bet they've served a lot more gays and freaks than they realize though.


But you can't openly say " no crippled, n*ggers, or f*ggots"
 
Ant
2014-02-07 04:18:02 PM

Cat Food Sandwiches: FlashHarry: he doesn't like "f*ggots, n*ggers, cripples and democrats." i'm guessing his CPAC invitation is on its way.

what a vile, subhuman piece of shiat. i really hope he dies a slow death from ass cancer.

So, your hate for him is somehow more acceptable than his hate for others?


Yes. Intolerance of intolerance is tolerated.
 
2014-02-07 04:18:43 PM

InterruptingQuirk: What about the disproportionately large Native American population compared to other deep South states, second only to Alaska in percentage of Native American residents?


An unique feature of the state, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't really change the dominant cultural trend (pentacostal redneck-and-proud in sprawling burbs). Voting, religion, and cultural touchstones... it's part of the ever-growing South.  If you want to argue that Oklahoma is distinct from any other state because of its Native population (or that OK, SD, and AK are a 'region' because they share that), fine.
 
2014-02-07 04:19:57 PM

skybreaker: Good for them.


1/10 minimal effort, no originality.  Sad, frankly.
 
2014-02-07 04:20:23 PM

James!: Gosh, Oklahoma must be a nice place to never visit ever.


A good friend of mine is from there. He's said Oklahoma is a great place to be *from*. I've also heard that it looks the nicest in your rearview mirror.

I'm sure there are some nice parts, but it's never been real high on my list of places to go.
 
2014-02-07 04:20:27 PM

give me doughnuts: suburbanguy: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.

You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?

You cling to your definition of "the South", Kentucky, Times change and Oklahoma is now a southern state.

Call it that all you want, it's still a Western state.

[img.fark.net image 350x230]

No, it's not.


What's the criteria? Is it geography? Is it historical? What sets your dividing lines?

If you want to go with the strictly geographical, then you'll have to use the geopraphical center of the contiguous US. That puts almost all of Kansas, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, and California in the southern half of the country, as well as all of Arizona and New Mexico.
If you want historical (meaning the Confederacy), then your own map is incorrect as it includes Missouri and Kentucky (neither of which seceded), and does include West Virginia (which only came into being by their refusal to go along with secession).

Incidentally, the center of the contiguous states in only six minutes of latitude north of the Mason-Dixon line.


Objection overruled!  You opened the Wikipedia door yourself, counselor.

Bane of Boone showed you a map of what was generally considered the south.  (From Wikipedia)  You tried (unsuccessfully) to quote that same article for support of your theory.  (If you RTFCaption of the picture you posted, Oklahoma is considered southern because it was in the confederacy.  It's not shaded in that picture because it was a territory as opposed to a state.)  You argued it was a western state.  According to Wikipedia, it's not.
 
2014-02-07 04:20:42 PM

Kiwimann: FlashHarry: how the fark is this thread nearly 400 comments long? is there actually some debate as to whether or not this racist piece of filth has the right to deny service to people based on their skin color or sexual orientation?

Lol, I came in here wondering the same thing.  I think they're now discussing whether or not Oklahoma is part of "The South".


I'm arguing that fark progressives do seem to think that everyone else should progress to their enlightened way of thinking ("racists are filth!" Everyone knows that!"), and how that really is a form of cultural imperialism.

Because I'm very, very bored, and fark progressives are easily offended.
 
2014-02-07 04:20:53 PM

Theaetetus: give me doughnuts: thisisyourbrainonFark: Who washes the dishes?

His son/nephew.

Which, coincidentally, is the same person.


I LOL'd.
 
2014-02-07 04:21:01 PM

Ant: Cat Food Sandwiches: FlashHarry: he doesn't like "f*ggots, n*ggers, cripples and democrats." i'm guessing his CPAC invitation is on its way.

what a vile, subhuman piece of shiat. i really hope he dies a slow death from ass cancer.

So, your hate for him is somehow more acceptable than his hate for others?

Yes. Intolerance of intolerance is tolerated.


He already responded to that.  Quite well, in fact:

i hate him for the content of his character, not for the color of his skin.

so in a word, "yes."
 
2014-02-07 04:21:55 PM

PanicMan: Mattyb710: I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.

Discrimination damages the health and safety of a community.  The effects may not be immediate, but they can be severe, even lethal.


So does being an asshole, but how do you outlaw that?

You can't legislate morality.
 
2014-02-07 04:22:07 PM

teenytinycornteeth: Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Problems are made for correcting.

So you're the self appointed "fix other people's problems" guy eh? Good to know your house is 100% squared away.


So, in your eyes, one has to be absolutely perfect before helping to solve the problems of others?  Nothing can be worked on concurrently?


The disconnect here is the difference between "I have a problem, please help me with it" and "You have a problem, and I'm going to help you with it whether you see it as a problem or not".
 
2014-02-07 04:22:13 PM
sendtodave:
I'm arguing that fark progressives do seem to think that everyone else should progress to their enlightened way of thinking ("racists are filth!" Everyone knows that!"), and how that really is a form of cultural imperialism.

Sweet.  I'm culturally imperial.  Keep the compliments coming, bro.
 
2014-02-07 04:22:26 PM

sendtodave: Kiwimann: FlashHarry: how the fark is this thread nearly 400 comments long? is there actually some debate as to whether or not this racist piece of filth has the right to deny service to people based on their skin color or sexual orientation?

Lol, I came in here wondering the same thing.  I think they're now discussing whether or not Oklahoma is part of "The South".

I'm arguing that fark progressives do seem to think that everyone else should progress to their enlightened way of thinking ("racists are filth!" Everyone knows that!"), and how that really is a form of cultural imperialism.

Because I'm very, very bored, and fark progressives are easily offended.


Soeday, you need to come out of your head and meet some real people.
 
2014-02-07 04:22:34 PM

James10952001: PanicMan: Mattyb710: I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.

Discrimination damages the health and safety of a community.  The effects may not be immediate, but they can be severe, even lethal.

So does being an asshole, but how do you outlaw that?

You can't legislate morality.



But you can penalize bigots for discrimination.
 
2014-02-07 04:23:23 PM

jso2897: sendtodave: Kiwimann: FlashHarry: how the fark is this thread nearly 400 comments long? is there actually some debate as to whether or not this racist piece of filth has the right to deny service to people based on their skin color or sexual orientation?

Lol, I came in here wondering the same thing.  I think they're now discussing whether or not Oklahoma is part of "The South".

I'm arguing that fark progressives do seem to think that everyone else should progress to their enlightened way of thinking ("racists are filth!" Everyone knows that!"), and how that really is a form of cultural imperialism.

Because I'm very, very bored, and fark progressives are easily offended.

Soeday, you need to come out of your head and meet some real people.


Screw that, I have to deal with real people every day!
 
2014-02-07 04:23:28 PM

James10952001: PanicMan: Mattyb710: I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.

Discrimination damages the health and safety of a community.  The effects may not be immediate, but they can be severe, even lethal.

So does being an asshole, but how do you outlaw that?

You can't legislate morality.


No, but you can legislate how businesses work and make sure they cannot deny customers for the color of their skin or country of origin. And we did that in 1964, and through various states in the last 60 years we've been doing that with sexual orientation and other characteristics.
 
2014-02-07 04:23:35 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

but you also have this:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 572x371]

(map of the "Bible Belt")

/ speculation: many Oklahomans are probably descended from people who came from the South....


So what's next, brainiac?  We're all black people now?
 
2014-02-07 04:23:50 PM

Calmamity: Well, that's his business model, and he's stayed in business for 44 years so... Oklahoma?


Normally I defend it as their right to ban whoever they choose but this guy sounds like a complete prick so fark him.
 
2014-02-07 04:23:54 PM

James10952001: James!: Gosh, Oklahoma must be a nice place to never visit ever.

A good friend of mine is from there. He's said Oklahoma is a great place to be *from*. I've also heard that it looks the nicest in your rearview mirror.

I'm sure there are some nice parts, but it's never been real high on my list of places to go.


I've driven across it a few times.  If there are nice parts, I have yet to encounter them.

/ have a particular hatred for the Oklahoma City toll booths -- exact change only, every few miles.  You need to carry rolls of coins to drive through legally -- having sufficient cash is not enough.  Thankfully nothing seems to happen if you simply drive through the toll booth (except for a bell ringing, but there didn't appear to be any camera or other meaningful enforcement).  If I were going to get a ticket, it would have come months ago.
 
2014-02-07 04:24:06 PM

Lawnchair: InterruptingQuirk: What about the disproportionately large Native American population compared to other deep South states, second only to Alaska in percentage of Native American residents?

An unique feature of the state, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't really change the dominant cultural trend (pentacostal redneck-and-proud in sprawling burbs). Voting, religion, and cultural touchstones... it's part of the ever-growing South.  If you want to argue that Oklahoma is distinct from any other state because of its Native population (or that OK, SD, and AK are a 'region' because they share that), fine.


Actually, the Pentecostals account for the lowest number of Christian adherents in Oklahoma: The state's largest church memberships are in the Southern Baptist Convention with 886,394 members, the United Methodist Church, with 282,347 members, the Roman Catholic Church, with 17,430, and the Assemblies of God, with 85,926.
 
2014-02-07 04:24:09 PM
About the last thing I would want to do is eat next to a cripple. Although, the cripple bath rooms are better than those real people have to use
 
2014-02-07 04:24:14 PM

Rapmaster2000: sendtodave:
I'm arguing that fark progressives do seem to think that everyone else should progress to their enlightened way of thinking ("racists are filth!" Everyone knows that!"), and how that really is a form of cultural imperialism.

Sweet.  I'm culturally imperial.  Keep the compliments coming, bro.


See?  It's so easy.
 
2014-02-07 04:24:32 PM

teenytinycornteeth: Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Problems are made for correcting.

So you're the self appointed "fix other people's problems" guy eh? Good to know your house is 100% squared away.


So, in your eyes, one has to be absolutely perfect before helping to solve the problems of others?  Nothing can be worked on concurrently?


No, he's just too cowardly to admit he approves of the guy's policy.
 
2014-02-07 04:25:12 PM

trappedspirit: So what's next, brainiac? We're all black people now?


In the dark, yes.
 
2014-02-07 04:25:23 PM

soupafi: James10952001: Well it's their right to refuse service to anyone they choose, an my right to not go there despite not falling into any of the forbidden categories.

I bet they've served a lot more gays and freaks than they realize though.

But you can't openly say " no crippled, n*ggers, or f*ggots"


Why can't you? Is that not covered by the 1st amendment? That's not to say the community shouldn't call him out on it, but it shouldn't be against the law.
 
2014-02-07 04:25:32 PM

sendtodave: jso2897: sendtodave: Kiwimann: FlashHarry: how the fark is this thread nearly 400 comments long? is there actually some debate as to whether or not this racist piece of filth has the right to deny service to people based on their skin color or sexual orientation?

Lol, I came in here wondering the same thing.  I think they're now discussing whether or not Oklahoma is part of "The South".

I'm arguing that fark progressives do seem to think that everyone else should progress to their enlightened way of thinking ("racists are filth!" Everyone knows that!"), and how that really is a form of cultural imperialism.

Because I'm very, very bored, and fark progressives are easily offended.

Soeday, you need to come out of your head and meet some real people.

Screw that, I have to deal with real people every day!


Well, I realize that they are a lot harder to win arguments with than the imaginary folks in your head. Real people are actually more fun to argue with than imaginary constructs of what you erroneously suppose a "liberal" to be, though - so you're really just cheating yourself.
 
2014-02-07 04:26:24 PM

steamingpile: Calmamity: Well, that's his business model, and he's stayed in business for 44 years so... Oklahoma?

Normally I defend it as their right to ban whoever they choose but this guy sounds like a complete prick so fark him.


Good idea, since theres no such right.
 
2014-02-07 04:26:26 PM

elkraf: About the last thing I would want to do is eat next to a cripple.


static4.wikia.nocookie.net

/ Cheryl?  Is that you?
 
2014-02-07 04:26:30 PM
Anyhoo, is "racism shouldn't exist" an absolute?

If so, does that only apply to the within the US?
 
2014-02-07 04:26:44 PM

sendtodave: Rapmaster2000: sendtodave:
I'm arguing that fark progressives do seem to think that everyone else should progress to their enlightened way of thinking ("racists are filth!" Everyone knows that!"), and how that really is a form of cultural imperialism.

Sweet.  I'm culturally imperial.  Keep the compliments coming, bro.

See?  It's so easy.


I'm also physically imperial.  Been really bulking up on the creatine.  I'm about to blow this thread and blast my quads.
 
2014-02-07 04:26:55 PM

James10952001: Why can't you? Is that not covered by the 1st amendment? That's not to say the community shouldn't call him out on it, but it shouldn't be against the law.


Since it's how a business owner runs a public accommodation, no, it is not covered by the 1st amendments.

soupafi misspoke. You can openly say "no crippled, n*ggers, or f*ggots," but you can't say "no crippled, n*ggers, or f*ggots will be served in this publicly open dining establishment or other place of business."
 
2014-02-07 04:27:04 PM

James10952001: PanicMan: Mattyb710: I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.

Discrimination damages the health and safety of a community.  The effects may not be immediate, but they can be severe, even lethal.

So does being an asshole, but how do you outlaw that?

You can't legislate morality.


"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams
 
2014-02-07 04:27:09 PM

Magorn: Apparently he's not up on recent developments in the law, like say the public accomodation clause of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.   And I can just see him trying to claim he's not REALLy a racist in court and the opposing attorney producing "The restaurant's official t-shirt"  "{which} makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups. "


 I almost want to see that shirt now, and a picture of someone who thinks wearing it would be a good idea


Please explain how womans only gysm avoid the public accomidation clause of the Civil Rights act.  If a gym can restrict its patrons based on gender then a business can restrict its patrons based on anything.
 
2014-02-07 04:27:31 PM

jso2897: sendtodave: jso2897: sendtodave: Kiwimann: FlashHarry: how the fark is this thread nearly 400 comments long? is there actually some debate as to whether or not this racist piece of filth has the right to deny service to people based on their skin color or sexual orientation?

Lol, I came in here wondering the same thing.  I think they're now discussing whether or not Oklahoma is part of "The South".

I'm arguing that fark progressives do seem to think that everyone else should progress to their enlightened way of thinking ("racists are filth!" Everyone knows that!"), and how that really is a form of cultural imperialism.

Because I'm very, very bored, and fark progressives are easily offended.

Soeday, you need to come out of your head and meet some real people.

Screw that, I have to deal with real people every day!

Well, I realize that they are a lot harder to win arguments with than the imaginary folks in your head. Real people are actually more fun to argue with than imaginary constructs of what you erroneously suppose a "liberal" to be, though - so you're really just cheating yourself.


Real people are only fun with I'm drinking.

Arguments are about the same.
 
2014-02-07 04:28:15 PM

sendtodave: jso2897: sendtodave: jso2897: sendtodave: Kiwimann: FlashHarry: how the fark is this thread nearly 400 comments long? is there actually some debate as to whether or not this racist piece of filth has the right to deny service to people based on their skin color or sexual orientation?

Lol, I came in here wondering the same thing.  I think they're now discussing whether or not Oklahoma is part of "The South".

I'm arguing that fark progressives do seem to think that everyone else should progress to their enlightened way of thinking ("racists are filth!" Everyone knows that!"), and how that really is a form of cultural imperialism.

Because I'm very, very bored, and fark progressives are easily offended.

Soeday, you need to come out of your head and meet some real people.

Screw that, I have to deal with real people every day!

Well, I realize that they are a lot harder to win arguments with than the imaginary folks in your head. Real people are actually more fun to argue with than imaginary constructs of what you erroneously suppose a "liberal" to be, though - so you're really just cheating yourself.

Real people are only fun with I'm drinking.

Arguments are about the same.


Fair enough - carry on.
 
2014-02-07 04:28:26 PM

Baloo Uriza: Lawnchair: give me doughnuts: When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

I have a hard time really considering it anything else.  Culturally, it's  deep South, imho.

Have you even been to Oklahoma?


If someone from from southeast oklahoma, like Idabel, self-identifies as being Southern, I guess I wouldn't be too surprised.  Most other places in OK, it might raise an eyebrow.
 
2014-02-07 04:28:40 PM

suburbanguy: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.

You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?

You cling to your definition of "the South", Kentucky, Times change and Oklahoma is now a southern state.

Call it that all you want, it's still a Western state.

[img.fark.net image 350x230]

No, it's not.


South, West, what the fark do you guys care?  Anything south or west of the Christie end of the GW Bridge is Banjo Country as far as you're concerned.  Admit it.

dialectblog.com
 
2014-02-07 04:28:52 PM

umad: teenytinycornteeth: Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Problems are made for correcting.

So you're the self appointed "fix other people's problems" guy eh? Good to know your house is 100% squared away.


So, in your eyes, one has to be absolutely perfect before helping to solve the problems of others?  Nothing can be worked on concurrently?

The disconnect here is the difference between "I have a problem, please help me with it" and "You have a problem, and I'm going to help you with it whether you see it as a problem or not".



Stop focusing on the business owner. Its not about him. He has accepted a social contract and part of that contract states that if you use OUR infrastructure and you operate a business that serves the public, you can't discriminate. Period. No one CARES who this shiatkicker likes or does not like. He's welcome to bring my burger out and then retreat to the back for a miniature cross-burning using a peice of pound cake and two toothpicks. No one gives a shiat about changing him. He can't use MY money getting the potholes in front of his restaurant fixed and then deny me service. Its not that difficult a concept.
 
2014-02-07 04:29:37 PM

jso2897: Fair enough - carry on.


Anyhoo, is "racism shouldn't exist" an absolute?

If so, does that only apply to the within the US?
 
2014-02-07 04:29:42 PM

sendtodave: Real people are only fun with I'm drinking.


You're saying you're making these piss-poor troll attempts when  sober? Man, I'm depressed now.
 
2014-02-07 04:29:44 PM

Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.


The point isn't to hurt this guy so much as make an example of him so other people won't try to pull the same crap.
 
2014-02-07 04:29:55 PM

Warlordtrooper: Magorn: Apparently he's not up on recent developments in the law, like say the public accomodation clause of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.   And I can just see him trying to claim he's not REALLy a racist in court and the opposing attorney producing "The restaurant's official t-shirt"  "{which} makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups. "


 I almost want to see that shirt now, and a picture of someone who thinks wearing it would be a good idea

Please explain how womans only gysm avoid the public accomidation clause of the Civil Rights act.  If a gym can restrict its patrons based on gender then a business can restrict its patrons based on anything.


You are aware that men-only gyms and bathhouses are also legal, I presume?
 
2014-02-07 04:30:30 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: James10952001: PanicMan: Mattyb710: I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.

Discrimination damages the health and safety of a community.  The effects may not be immediate, but they can be severe, even lethal.

So does being an asshole, but how do you outlaw that?

You can't legislate morality.


But you can penalize bigots for discrimination.


Yep, you absolutely can. It's called "not patronizing their business". In other words, don't go there and don't give them your money. You even have the option of not helping them out, should they ever wind up in a position of need.
 
2014-02-07 04:30:36 PM

suburbanguy: give me doughnuts: suburbanguy: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.

You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?

You cling to your definition of "the South", Kentucky, Times change and Oklahoma is now a southern state.

Call it that all you want, it's still a Western state.

[img.fark.net image 350x230]

No, it's not.


What's the criteria? Is it geography? Is it historical? What sets your dividing lines?

If you want to go with the strictly geographical, then you'll have to use the geopraphical center of the contiguous US. That puts almost all of Kansas, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, and California in the southern half of the country, as well as all of Arizona and New Mexico.
If you want historical (meaning the Confederacy), then your own map is incorrect as it includes Missouri and Kentucky (neither of which seceded), and does include West Virginia (which only came into being by their refusal to go along with secession).

Incidentally, the center of the contiguous states in only six minutes of latitude north of the Mason-Dixon line.

Objection overruled!  You opened the Wikipedia door yourself, counselor.

Bane of Boone showed you a map of what was generally considered the south.  (From Wikipedia)  You tried (unsuccessfully) to quote that same article for support of your theory.  (If you RTFCaption of the picture you posted, Oklahoma is considered southern because it was in the confederacy.  It's not shaded in that picture because it was a territory as opposed to a state.)  You argued it was a western state.  Accor ...



Sorry, but the original map shown was also from wikipedia.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-07 04:30:55 PM

jso2897: Warlordtrooper: Magorn: Apparently he's not up on recent developments in the law, like say the public accomodation clause of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.   And I can just see him trying to claim he's not REALLy a racist in court and the opposing attorney producing "The restaurant's official t-shirt"  "{which} makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups. "


 I almost want to see that shirt now, and a picture of someone who thinks wearing it would be a good idea

Please explain how womans only gysm avoid the public accomidation clause of the Civil Rights act.  If a gym can restrict its patrons based on gender then a business can restrict its patrons based on anything.

You are aware that men-only gyms and bathhouses are also legal, I presume?


Also, in several states women-only gyms have, actually, been ruled illegal. It's a very fuzzy point of law that's being shaken out as we speak.
 
2014-02-07 04:31:26 PM

HotWingConspiracy: teenytinycornteeth: DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

[img.fark.net image 243x207]

Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!

Lady parts aren't actually called pussies, ya know? It's slang that has taken on it's own context.


I've also heard that if you spell an insult "ghey" that magically makes it no longer homophobic.
 
2014-02-07 04:31:30 PM

MBooda: suburbanguy: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.

You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?

You cling to your definition of "the South", Kentucky, Times change and Oklahoma is now a southern state.

Call it that all you want, it's still a Western state.

[img.fark.net image 350x230]

No, it's not.

South, West, what the fark do you guys care?  Anything south or west of the Christie end of the GW Bridge is Banjo Country as far as you're concerned.  Admit it.


Um, you just put me (NE OH) in there, so...no.
 
2014-02-07 04:31:42 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND:You mean the goalposts that you moved from, "he shouldn't have to serve you" to "why would you want him to serve you if he hates you"?

Do whut?

Bloody William: I won't make this guy serve whoever walks in. I will, however, make him serve whoever walks in who does not disrupt the establishment and is able to pay for his services


Potato potahto.

dletter: Can you elaborate?


You said 'public' not 'private'.

dletter: Are you claiming that he doesn't run a public establishment?


He owns a private establishment.

dr_blasto: Society is under no obligation to allow business like this to exist


Who gets to decide this?
 
2014-02-07 04:31:44 PM

trappedspirit: Forbidden Doughnut: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

but you also have this:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 572x371]

(map of the "Bible Belt")

/ speculation: many Oklahomans are probably descended from people who came from the South....

So what's next, brainiac?  We're all black people now?



You wish.
 
2014-02-07 04:32:28 PM
"Well if you work, you own a business, pay your taxes, you're more than welcome here," he told KFOR.

So not Jesus then.
 
2014-02-07 04:32:30 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Stop focusing on the business owner. Its not about him. He has accepted a social contract and part of that contract states that if you use OUR infrastructure and you operate a business that serves the public, you can't discriminate. Period.


Yeah, see, this.

We have good sense laws, anti-descrimination in the US.  They're designed for the greater good.

They're not moral obligations. They're just laws.

If we want to go on about the morality of racism, there's a whole huge racist world out there.  One that doesn't agree with our version morality on many, many issues.
 
2014-02-07 04:32:30 PM
If my restaurant looked like it would fail the code inspection required for a tin shack in a South American slum I'd be pretty angry too.
 
2014-02-07 04:32:30 PM

sendtodave: jso2897: Fair enough - carry on.

Anyhoo, is "racism shouldn't exist" an absolute?

If so, does that only apply to the within the US?


I don't know - it is just a random statement you made. I don't hold it to be an absolute, or anything else - except some meaningless words that just came out of your mouth. So no - it's not an absolute - it isn't anything at all.
 
2014-02-07 04:32:43 PM
Funniest part was all the dumbass comments about the guy must be republican cause blah blah. Pretty much doing the same thing he is doing, but if you direct it to members of a political party its somehow not bad. God this country is full of stupid.
 
2014-02-07 04:33:06 PM

jso2897: Warlordtrooper: Magorn: Apparently he's not up on recent developments in the law, like say the public accomodation clause of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.   And I can just see him trying to claim he's not REALLy a racist in court and the opposing attorney producing "The restaurant's official t-shirt"  "{which} makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups. "


 I almost want to see that shirt now, and a picture of someone who thinks wearing it would be a good idea

Please explain how womans only gysm avoid the public accomidation clause of the Civil Rights act.  If a gym can restrict its patrons based on gender then a business can restrict its patrons based on anything.

You are aware that men-only gyms and bathhouses are also legal, I presume?


Yes but every time somebody tries to start a male only club it becomes a huge issue with feminists screaming discrimination across the entire internet.
 
2014-02-07 04:33:17 PM
I think that businesses should be able to serve whoever they want on their own private property.

Checkmate, Heart of Atlanta Motel v. United States.  Checkmate.
 
2014-02-07 04:34:25 PM

NicktheSmoker: Funniest part was all the dumbass comments about the guy must be republican cause blah blah. Pretty much doing the same thing he is doing, but if you direct it to members of a political party its somehow not bad. God this country is full of stupid.


Criticizing someone for something they choose (e.g., political affiliation) = acceptable
Criticizing someone for something they cannot choose (e.g., skin color, etc.) = unacceptable

It's not rocket surgery.
 
2014-02-07 04:34:45 PM

Warlordtrooper: jso2897: Warlordtrooper: Magorn: Apparently he's not up on recent developments in the law, like say the public accomodation clause of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.   And I can just see him trying to claim he's not REALLy a racist in court and the opposing attorney producing "The restaurant's official t-shirt"  "{which} makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups. "


 I almost want to see that shirt now, and a picture of someone who thinks wearing it would be a good idea

Please explain how womans only gysm avoid the public accomidation clause of the Civil Rights act.  If a gym can restrict its patrons based on gender then a business can restrict its patrons based on anything.

You are aware that men-only gyms and bathhouses are also legal, I presume?

Yes but every time somebody tries to start a male only club it becomes a huge issue with feminists screaming discrimination across the entire internet.


You should come check out my Men's Rights subreddit.  It's about time we stood up to the rampant discrimination guys like us face every day.  I haven't had a date in five years!
 
2014-02-07 04:34:47 PM

jso2897: sendtodave: jso2897: Fair enough - carry on.

Anyhoo, is "racism shouldn't exist" an absolute?

If so, does that only apply to the within the US?

I don't know - it is just a random statement you made. I don't hold it to be an absolute, or anything else - except some meaningless words that just came out of your mouth. So no - it's not an absolute - it isn't anything at all.


I really don't think people would be so worked up about some shiatheal racist unless they felt this was a moral argument, and not a legal one, do you?
 
2014-02-07 04:34:52 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: He has accepted a social contract


You got a copy of that contract? Who wrote it?
 
2014-02-07 04:34:55 PM
Sounds like he needs a 4chan enema.
 
2014-02-07 04:34:58 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Potato potahto.


No, no it isn't.

Dancin_In_Anson: He owns a private establishment.


And public accommodation. That's a type of private establishment that is open to the public for people to shop or eat. It is accessible, and in that sense is not private.
 
2014-02-07 04:35:08 PM

NicktheSmoker: Funniest part was all the dumbass comments about the guy must be republican cause blah blah. Pretty much doing the same thing he is doing, but if you direct it to members of a political party its somehow not bad. God this country is full of stupid.


People choose to be republicans.
 
2014-02-07 04:35:12 PM

Baloo Uriza: Have you even been to Oklahoma?


All the time. I grew up in southern Kansas, so perhaps trying too hard to see the difference.  But, to me, the red on  this map (religions) corresponds very well with my (admittedly personal) view of the new-expanded-cultural-South.  Some of Texas is, some isn't. Most of Missouri except STL/KC is now (northern MO used to be more like Iowa and Nebraska... it's become much more southern in the last 30 years).  It even gets Florida pretty much right.
 
2014-02-07 04:35:56 PM

Bloody William: sendtodave: Real people are only fun with I'm drinking.

You're saying you're making these piss-poor troll attempts when  sober? Man, I'm depressed now.


Eh.  Been a long day.
 
2014-02-07 04:36:07 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: He owns a private establishment.


He operates a "public accommodation" under the law. The fact that it is privately owned has no relevance whatsoever.
 
2014-02-07 04:36:50 PM

James10952001: DROxINxTHExWIND: James10952001: PanicMan: Mattyb710: I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.

Discrimination damages the health and safety of a community.  The effects may not be immediate, but they can be severe, even lethal.

So does being an asshole, but how do you outlaw that?

You can't legislate morality.


But you can penalize bigots for discrimination.

Yep, you absolutely can. It's called "not patronizing their business". In other words, don't go there and don't give them your money. You even have the option of not helping them out, should they ever wind up in a position of need.



If I live in that town he's already TAKING my money every time the street lights on that block light a path to his restaurant's door. Every time the police come to his restaurant to respond to a call about a disorderly patron. Every time he dumps his greasy trap into the groundwater supply...

No one is demanding that he stay in business and serve cripples. He's more than welcome to pack his shiat up and take it to Sochi or some other place where those veiws are tolerated by the people who pay for the lights on his street.
 
2014-02-07 04:36:52 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: jso2897: He will only be forced to serve those he has no reasonable, lawful cause to refuse.

WHY THE FARK WOULD YOU WANT TO BE SERVED BY THIS ASSHOLE?


Because if this asshole has the right to refuse serve me based on my race, ethnicity, disability, etc., then any asshole has the right to refuse to serve me based on my race, ethnicity, disability, etc.  And if any asshole has the right to do so, then EVERY business owner in a given area has the right to do so.  That would leave members of the discriminated-against class with few/no options for food, gas, etc. (e.g., those things classified as "public accomodations") when travelling to (or through) areas where all/most business owners discriminated.  That, in turn, effectively limits the ability of the discriminated-against class to travel to or through such areas.

This is not some sort of baseless slippery slope argument - it is the history of the Civil Rights Act.  Are people this f*cking ignorant of American history?
 
2014-02-07 04:37:04 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: trappedspirit: Forbidden Doughnut: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

but you also have this:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 572x371]

(map of the "Bible Belt")

/ speculation: many Oklahomans are probably descended from people who came from the South....

So what's next, brainiac?  We're all black people now?


You wish.


If so, I would be less likely to burst into flames when exposed to direct sunlight for more than a few minutes.
 
2014-02-07 04:37:09 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: dr_blasto: Society is under no obligation to allow business like this to exist

Who gets to decide this?


Under the Civil Rights Act? The Attorney General is authorized to file suit against the business.
 
2014-02-07 04:37:17 PM

Warlordtrooper: jso2897: Warlordtrooper: Magorn: Apparently he's not up on recent developments in the law, like say the public accomodation clause of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.   And I can just see him trying to claim he's not REALLy a racist in court and the opposing attorney producing "The restaurant's official t-shirt"  "{which} makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups. "


 I almost want to see that shirt now, and a picture of someone who thinks wearing it would be a good idea

Please explain how womans only gysm avoid the public accomidation clause of the Civil Rights act.  If a gym can restrict its patrons based on gender then a business can restrict its patrons based on anything.

You are aware that men-only gyms and bathhouses are also legal, I presume?

Yes but every time somebody tries to start a male only club it becomes a huge issue with feminists screaming discrimination across the entire internet.


That is your opinion - not a fact of law - means nothing to an adult. Only peter pan man boys are afraid of "feminists".
 
2014-02-07 04:37:35 PM

Swanji: LarryDan43: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

Why would you want to drink at the whites only fountain? Its the same water supply!

This is a far, far cry from segregated water fountains, but go ahead and hyperbole it up there, tiger.


How so?
 
2014-02-07 04:37:54 PM

jso2897: Dancin_In_Anson: He owns a private establishment.

He operates a "public accommodation" under the law. The fact that it is privately owned has no relevance whatsoever.


Could he just turn his grease pit into a private "club?"
 
2014-02-07 04:37:54 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: teenytinycornteeth: Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Problems are made for correcting.

So you're the self appointed "fix other people's problems" guy eh? Good to know your house is 100% squared away.


So, in your eyes, one has to be absolutely perfect before helping to solve the problems of others?  Nothing can be worked on concurrently?

The disconnect here is the difference between "I have a problem, please help me with it" and "You have a problem, and I'm going to help you with it whether you see it as a problem or not".


Stop focusing on the business owner. Its not about him. He has accepted a social contract and part of that contract states that if you use OUR infrastructure and you operate a business that serves the public, you can't discriminate. Period. No one CARES who this shiatkicker likes or does not like. He's welcome to bring my burger out and then retreat to the back for a miniature cross-burning using a peice of pound cake and two toothpicks. No one gives a shiat about changing him. He can't use MY money getting the potholes in front of his restaurant fixed and then deny me service. Its not that difficult a concept.


I wasn't focusing on the business owner or defending him in any way. So go fark yourself.
 
2014-02-07 04:37:59 PM

Rapmaster2000: 4tehsnowflakes: Magnanimous_J:  While I believe that all morality is completely relative in a philosophical sense, only a total sociopath lives that way. I think that's an important distinction.

As is the subtler distinction between the total sociopath, on the one hand, and the many good and noble folks with mild to severe sociopathic tendencies, a/k/a the inhabitants of Fark.

It's not my fault.  I'm a Randian Superhero with mild autism.


i1277.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-07 04:38:47 PM

RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: dr_blasto: Society is under no obligation to allow business like this to exist

Who gets to decide this?

Under the Civil Rights Act? The Attorney General is authorized to file suit against the business.


A private individual can also sue when they are the target of the discrimination.
 
2014-02-07 04:38:50 PM

MBooda: suburbanguy: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.

You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?

You cling to your definition of "the South", Kentucky, Times change and Oklahoma is now a southern state.

Call it that all you want, it's still a Western state.

[img.fark.net image 350x230]

No, it's not.

South, West, what the fark do you guys care?  Anything south or west of the Christie end of the GW Bridge is Banjo Country as far as you're concerned.  Admit it.

[dialectblog.com image 800x495]


You couldn't use a map from the last Presidential election?
 
2014-02-07 04:39:38 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: He's more than welcome to pack his shiat up and take it to Sochi or some other place where those veiws are tolerated by the people who pay for the lights on his street.


You understand social contract, and that civil rights are civil, not natural.

I like you.
 
2014-02-07 04:40:17 PM
Bravo to whomever:

imageshack.com
 
2014-02-07 04:40:38 PM

James10952001: soupafi: James10952001: Well it's their right to refuse service to anyone they choose, an my right to not go there despite not falling into any of the forbidden categories.

I bet they've served a lot more gays and freaks than they realize though.

But you can't openly say " no crippled, n*ggers, or f*ggots"

Why can't you? Is that not covered by the 1st amendment? That's not to say the community shouldn't call him out on it, but it shouldn't be against the law.


The civil rights act of 1964 says you can't.
 
2014-02-07 04:41:26 PM

Bloody William: Dancin_In_Anson: Potato potahto.

No, no it isn't.

Dancin_In_Anson: He owns a private establishment.

And public accommodation. That's a type of private establishment that is open to the public for people to shop or eat. It is accessible, and in that sense is not private.


Then by that definition there is no such thing as a private business.
 
2014-02-07 04:41:35 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: dr_blasto: Society is under no obligation to allow business like this to exist


Who gets to decide this?


His community licenses his business and can revoke that license. That community is under no obligation to license discriminatory businesses and, since that community is part of a much larger national community, they may be obligated to distribute licenses based on national laws as well. The restaurant is also likely required to be ADA-accessible, so, he needs to make sure he is able to serve "cripples" or he's going to run into some other problems.

Enid isn't obligated to license an all-night open-air live rock club in the middle of some residential neighborhood either, so the imaginary all-night open-air live rock club needs to find an accommodating community or zoning. Just like nutty bigot guy, subject of TFA. He needs to find the appropriate community that allows his rules, if that's Belize and not the US, well, he's free to move there.
 
2014-02-07 04:41:42 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: DROxINxTHExWIND: He has accepted a social contract

You got a copy of that contract? Who wrote it?



Yo mamma.
 
2014-02-07 04:42:13 PM
img.fark.net

I wouldn't want any non-Asian who is that yellow to touch my food.
 
2014-02-07 04:42:27 PM
F that guy in the wheelchair in the video. You were a loyal customer and had no problem with that place until you became crippled and got the same treatment. What an a-hole.
 
2014-02-07 04:42:30 PM

sendtodave: jso2897: Dancin_In_Anson: He owns a private establishment.

He operates a "public accommodation" under the law. The fact that it is privately owned has no relevance whatsoever.

Could he just turn his grease pit into a private "club?"


No. This all happened sixty years ago - all the stupid racist trick thinkable of have already been thought of and shot down.
 
2014-02-07 04:43:41 PM

soupafi: James10952001: soupafi: James10952001: Well it's their right to refuse service to anyone they choose, an my right to not go there despite not falling into any of the forbidden categories.

I bet they've served a lot more gays and freaks than they realize though.

But you can't openly say " no crippled, n*ggers, or f*ggots"

Why can't you? Is that not covered by the 1st amendment? That's not to say the community shouldn't call him out on it, but it shouldn't be against the law.

The civil rights act of 1964 says you can't.


I'm really amazed at how many people must live sheltered, privileged lives. How do people not know this?
 
2014-02-07 04:43:56 PM
Know what I want to see? I want to see all this guy's most hated groups surround his place. By the thousands. Just completely encircle the place, with him in it.

Then the best speaker comes forward. "Sir, we have thought this through, and after careful debate, it has been decreed, per the Internet, that we have 'bigger fish to fry'."

And then everyone produces similarly full containers of gasoline. "But you, we'll charbroil..."
 
2014-02-07 04:44:06 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: DROxINxTHExWIND: He has accepted a social contract

You got a copy of that contract? Who wrote it?


Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.
 
2014-02-07 04:44:20 PM

Warlordtrooper: Bloody William: Dancin_In_Anson: Potato potahto.

No, no it isn't.

Dancin_In_Anson: He owns a private establishment.

And public accommodation. That's a type of private establishment that is open to the public for people to shop or eat. It is accessible, and in that sense is not private.

Then by that definition there is no such thing as a private business.


Yes there are - lots of them. Could you please just say one thing that isn't wrong? Just say the sky is blue or something?
 
2014-02-07 04:44:23 PM

sendtodave: Do these articles get greened just to make Fark coastal liberals feel smug, superior?


We really don't need Fark for that.
 
Ant
2014-02-07 04:45:26 PM

Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.


So unless people in the majority start sticking up for you, a hated minority, by boycotting businesses on your behalf, business owners can continue to discriminate against you as long as the market will allow it. Is that what you're saying?
 
2014-02-07 04:45:31 PM

dr_blasto: Dancin_In_Anson: dr_blasto: Society is under no obligation to allow business like this to exist


Who gets to decide this?

His community licenses his business and can revoke that license. That community is under no obligation to license discriminatory businesses and, since that community is part of a much larger national community, they may be obligated to distribute licenses based on national laws as well. The restaurant is also likely required to be ADA-accessible, so, he needs to make sure he is able to serve "cripples" or he's going to run into some other problems.

Enid isn't obligated to license an all-night open-air live rock club in the middle of some residential neighborhood either, so the imaginary all-night open-air live rock club needs to find an accommodating community or zoning. Just like nutty bigot guy, subject of TFA. He needs to find the appropriate community that allows his rules, if that's Belize and not the US, well, he's free to move there.


Who says so!?  That's not freedom to me.

/just preparing you for the rebuttal
 
2014-02-07 04:45:47 PM
WTF, Yelp lists the price range as $$$$.
 
2014-02-07 04:45:53 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: James10952001: DROxINxTHExWIND: James10952001: PanicMan: Mattyb710: I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.

Discrimination damages the health and safety of a community.  The effects may not be immediate, but they can be severe, even lethal.

So does being an asshole, but how do you outlaw that?

You can't legislate morality.


But you can penalize bigots for discrimination.

Yep, you absolutely can. It's called "not patronizing their business". In other words, don't go there and don't give them your money. You even have the option of not helping them out, should they ever wind up in a position of need.


If I live in that town he's already TAKING my money every time the street lights on that block light a path to his restaurant's door. Every time the police come to his restaurant to respond to a call about a disorderly patron. Every time he dumps his greasy trap into the groundwater supply...

No one is demanding that he stay in business and serve cripples. He's more than welcome to pack his shiat up and take it to Sochi or some other place where those veiws are tolerated by the people who pay for the lights on his street.


If the people who pay for lights on his street don't patronize his business, his business will cease to exist and the problem is solved. It's not as if it's located in the middle of San Francisco with all the customers commuting in from backward redneck places.


Look I think he sounds like a real piece if shiat too, but that's his right. It's only a problem if he starts instigating harm to others.
 
2014-02-07 04:46:13 PM

Warlordtrooper: Then by that definition there is no such thing as a private business.


There's a well established, well understood and well justified legal distinction between private property such as your house, your car, your apartment, and a public practice, service or other business, whatever semantic issues you may have with it notwithstanding. Failure to grasp this or why it exists would simply hallmark ignorance on the part of the person lacking this pretty straightforward knowledge.
 
2014-02-07 04:46:21 PM

QU!RK1019: Dancin_In_Anson: DROxINxTHExWIND: He has accepted a social contract

You got a copy of that contract? Who wrote it?

Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.


What makes you get to decide what's blustery!?  Is your name Webster?
 
2014-02-07 04:47:05 PM

Warlordtrooper: Bloody William: Dancin_In_Anson: Potato potahto.

No, no it isn't.

Dancin_In_Anson: He owns a private establishment.

And public accommodation. That's a type of private establishment that is open to the public for people to shop or eat. It is accessible, and in that sense is not private.

Then by that definition there is no such thing as a private business.


Yes, exactly.

It's a privately-OWNED business. That only means he owns it, not shareholders or other people. What you're thinking of is a private membership club. They can exclude whoever they want, but that also comes with certain conditions.

This guy's business is privately-owned, not a private membership club.
 
2014-02-07 04:47:32 PM

James10952001: DROxINxTHExWIND: James10952001: DROxINxTHExWIND: James10952001: PanicMan: Mattyb710: I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.

Discrimination damages the health and safety of a community.  The effects may not be immediate, but they can be severe, even lethal.

So does being an asshole, but how do you outlaw that?

You can't legislate morality.


But you can penalize bigots for discrimination.

Yep, you absolutely can. It's called "not patronizing their business". In other words, don't go there and don't give them your money. You even have the option of not helping them out, should they ever wind up in a position of need.


If I live in that town he's already TAKING my money every time the street lights on that block light a path to his restaurant's door. Every time the police come to his restaurant to respond to a call about a disorderly patron. Every time he dumps his greasy trap into the groundwater supply...

No one is demanding that he stay in business and serve cripples. He's more than welcome to pack his shiat up and take it to Sochi or some other place where those veiws are tolerated by the people who pay for the lights on his street.

If the people who pay for lights on his street don't patronize his business, his business will cease to exist and the problem is solved. It's not as if it's located in the middle of San Francisco with all the customers commuting in from backward redneck places.


Look I think he sounds like a real piece if shiat too, but that's his right. It's only a problem if he starts instigating harm to others.


I think you should go to the Supreme Court and argue this airtight case.  They'd probably agree.
 
2014-02-07 04:47:34 PM

Bloody William: And public accommodation.


Warlordtrooper: Then by that definition there is no such thing as a private business.


I guess so eh?

El_Perro: Because if this asshole has the right to refuse serve me based on my race, ethnicity, disability, etc., then any asshole has the right to refuse to serve me based on my race, ethnicity, disability, etc


Yeah ok.

El_Perro: And if any asshole has the right to do so, then EVERY business owner in a given area has the right to do so.


Yeah, ok.

El_Perro: That would leave members of the discriminated-against class with few/no options for food, gas, etc. (e.g., those things classified as "public accomodations") when travelling to (or through) areas where all/most business owners discriminated


Yeah, ok.

El_Perro: That, in turn, effectively limits the ability of the discriminated-against class to travel to or through such areas.


Well, I for one do want to go where I am not welcome. Your mileage may vary.

dr_blasto: His community licenses his business and can revoke that license.


Fair 'nuff. And if they choose not to you're cool with that.
 
2014-02-07 04:47:38 PM

Warlordtrooper: Bloody William: Dancin_In_Anson: Potato potahto.

No, no it isn't.

Dancin_In_Anson: He owns a private establishment.

And public accommodation. That's a type of private establishment that is open to the public for people to shop or eat. It is accessible, and in that sense is not private.

Then by that definition there is no such thing as a private business.


Um... no.

Private business: Privately  held company where ownership is kept to a few individuals or a small number of shareholders. It is not owned by the government and it is not a non-profit organization.

Public accommodation: Any privately or publicly owned facility that is open to the public. Specifically, any such facility where people go to "be" for any reason or length of time, rather than to simply perform a transaction in exchange for goods.

As defined in the Civil RIghts Act of 1964, Title II, Sec. 201:

(b) Each of the following establishments which serves the public is a place of public accommodation within the meaning of this title if its operations affect commerce, or if discrimination or segregation by it is supported by State action:
(1) any inn, hotel, motel, or other establishment which provides lodging to transient guests, other than an establishment located within a building which contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire and which is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as his residence;
(2) any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda fountain, or other facility principally engaged in selling food for consumption on the premises, including, but not limited to, any such facility located on the premises of any retail establishment; or any gasoline station;
(3) any motion picture house, theater, concert hall, sports arena, stadium or other place of exhibition or entertainment; and
(4) any establishment (A)(i) which is physically located within the premises of any establishment otherwise covered by this subsection, or (ii) within the premises of which is physically located any such covered establishment, and (B) which holds itself out as serving patrons of such covered establishment.
 
2014-02-07 04:47:44 PM

James10952001: DROxINxTHExWIND: James10952001: DROxINxTHExWIND: James10952001: PanicMan: Mattyb710: I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.

Discrimination damages the health and safety of a community.  The effects may not be immediate, but they can be severe, even lethal.

So does being an asshole, but how do you outlaw that?

You can't legislate morality.


But you can penalize bigots for discrimination.

Yep, you absolutely can. It's called "not patronizing their business". In other words, don't go there and don't give them your money. You even have the option of not helping them out, should they ever wind up in a position of need.


If I live in that town he's already TAKING my money every time the street lights on that block light a path to his restaurant's door. Every time the police come to his restaurant to respond to a call about a disorderly patron. Every time he dumps his greasy trap into the groundwater supply...

No one is demanding that he stay in business and serve cripples. He's more than welcome to pack his shiat up and take it to Sochi or some other place where those veiws are tolerated by the people who pay for the lights on his street.

If the people who pay for lights on his street don't patronize his business, his business will cease to exist and the problem is solved. It's not as if it's located in the middle of San Francisco with all the customers commuting in from backward redneck places.


Look I think he sounds like a real piece if shiat too, but that's his right. It's only a problem if he starts instigating harm to others.


No it's not. Stop ignoring laws because of your personal beliefs.
 
2014-02-07 04:48:03 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: He doesn't serve Democrats either.


Have you ever tried to clean one of those things?
 
2014-02-07 04:48:03 PM

umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: teenytinycornteeth: Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Problems are made for correcting.

So you're the self appointed "fix other people's problems" guy eh? Good to know your house is 100% squared away.


So, in your eyes, one has to be absolutely perfect before helping to solve the problems of others?  Nothing can be worked on concurrently?

The disconnect here is the difference between "I have a problem, please help me with it" and "You have a problem, and I'm going to help you with it whether you see it as a problem or not".


Stop focusing on the business owner. Its not about him. He has accepted a social contract and part of that contract states that if you use OUR infrastructure and you operate a business that serves the public, you can't discriminate. Period. No one CARES who this shiatkicker likes or does not like. He's welcome to bring my burger out and then retreat to the back for a miniature cross-burning using a peice of pound cake and two toothpicks. No one gives a shiat about changing him. He can't use MY money getting the potholes in front of his restaurant fixed and then deny me service. Its not that difficult a concept.

I wasn't focusing on the business owner or defending him in any way. So go fark yourself.



Well, THAT escalated quickly. LOL.


/Whatever it was from a past thread...get over it.
 
2014-02-07 04:48:15 PM

Bane of Broone: MBooda: suburbanguy: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.

You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?

You cling to your definition of "the South", Kentucky, Times change and Oklahoma is now a southern state.

Call it that all you want, it's still a Western state.

[img.fark.net image 350x230]

No, it's not.

South, West, what the fark do you guys care?  Anything south or west of the Christie end of the GW Bridge is Banjo Country as far as you're concerned.  Admit it.

[dialectblog.com image 800x495]

You couldn't use a map from the last Presidential election?


Again, what difference does it make?  You really think Nevada is a dependable blue state?
 
2014-02-07 04:48:18 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: DROxINxTHExWIND: He has accepted a social contract

You got a copy of that contract? Who wrote it?


Are you going to argue that we don't? WTF do we have countries, cities or any societies for if we're not going to have some farking standards? You want to put your shingle up and hook up to the sewers on main street without having to meet some basic requirements?
 
2014-02-07 04:48:23 PM

CleanAndPure: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.

Read the article... or at very least... read the Fark headline.

This is in Oklahoma, not "the South."


Ehh.  All you white people look alike.
 
2014-02-07 04:48:34 PM
Awesome. Every business should be able to cater only to those they want to. No issues here.
 
2014-02-07 04:48:43 PM

Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.

You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?

You cling to your definition of "the South", Kentucky, Times change and Oklahoma is now a southern state.


No one in the South considers Oklahoma Southern. Heck. Texas isn't really "the south" either but we sometimes get lumped in with them.

Only a damn Yankee would call Oklahoma "the south".
 
2014-02-07 04:48:46 PM

El_Perro: Dancin_In_Anson: jso2897: He will only be forced to serve those he has no reasonable, lawful cause to refuse.

WHY THE FARK WOULD YOU WANT TO BE SERVED BY THIS ASSHOLE?

Because if this asshole has the right to refuse serve me based on my race, ethnicity, disability, etc., then any asshole has the right to refuse to serve me based on my race, ethnicity, disability, etc.  And if any asshole has the right to do so, then EVERY business owner in a given area has the right to do so.  That would leave members of the discriminated-against class with few/no options for food, gas, etc. (e.g., those things classified as "public accomodations") when travelling to (or through) areas where all/most business owners discriminated.  That, in turn, effectively limits the ability of the discriminated-against class to travel to or through such areas.

This is not some sort of baseless slippery slope argument - it is the history of the Civil Rights Act.  Are people this f*cking ignorant of American history?


If you owned a restaurant, would you serve the racist piece of shiat if he came in? Would you provide him with the same quality of food and service as you'd provide anyone else?
 
2014-02-07 04:49:00 PM

Bloody William: Warlordtrooper: Bloody William: Dancin_In_Anson: Potato potahto.

No, no it isn't.

Dancin_In_Anson: He owns a private establishment.

And public accommodation. That's a type of private establishment that is open to the public for people to shop or eat. It is accessible, and in that sense is not private.

Then by that definition there is no such thing as a private business.

Um... no.

Private business: Privately  held company where ownership is kept to a few individuals or a small number of shareholders. It is not owned by the government and it is not a non-profit organization.

Public accommodation: Any privately or publicly owned facility that is open to the public. Specifically, any such facility where people go to "be" for any reason or length of time, rather than to simply perform a transaction in exchange for goods.

As defined in the Civil RIghts Act of 1964, Title II, Sec. 201:

(b) Each of the following establishments which serves the public is a place of public accommodation within the meaning of this title if its operations affect commerce, or if discrimination or segregation by it is supported by State action:
(1) any inn, hotel, motel, or other establishment which provides lodging to transient guests, other than an establishment located within a building which contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire and which is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as his residence;
(2) any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda fountain, or other facility principally engaged in selling food for consumption on the premises, including, but not limited to, any such facility located on the premises of any retail establishment; or any gasoline station;
(3) any motion picture house, theater, concert hall, sports arena, stadium or other place of exhibition or entertainment; and
(4) any establishment (A)(i) which is physically located within the premises of any establishment otherwise covered by this subsection, or (ii) within th ...


Who got to decide that!?  I don't remember being asked what I think.
 
2014-02-07 04:49:23 PM

QU!RK1019: Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.


I guess it's safe to assume that you have no answer for this question. Hell even DRO answered...it was an infantile answer but at least it was an answer.
 
2014-02-07 04:49:28 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: I guess so eh?


Not really, no. As has been explained above. And which I helpfully further explained below your previous post!
 
2014-02-07 04:49:38 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Well, I for one do want to go where I am not welcome.


Your presence here proves otherwise.
 
2014-02-07 04:50:13 PM
imageshack.com
Nope, not racist at all.
 
2014-02-07 04:50:42 PM

QU!RK1019: Dancin_In_Anson: Well, I for one do want to go where I am not welcome.

Your presence here proves otherwise.


gifrific.com
 
2014-02-07 04:51:04 PM

Rapmaster2000: dr_blasto: Dancin_In_Anson: dr_blasto: Society is under no obligation to allow business like this to exist


Who gets to decide this?

His community licenses his business and can revoke that license. That community is under no obligation to license discriminatory businesses and, since that community is part of a much larger national community, they may be obligated to distribute licenses based on national laws as well. The restaurant is also likely required to be ADA-accessible, so, he needs to make sure he is able to serve "cripples" or he's going to run into some other problems.

Enid isn't obligated to license an all-night open-air live rock club in the middle of some residential neighborhood either, so the imaginary all-night open-air live rock club needs to find an accommodating community or zoning. Just like nutty bigot guy, subject of TFA. He needs to find the appropriate community that allows his rules, if that's Belize and not the US, well, he's free to move there.

Who says so!?  That's not freedom to me.

/just preparing you for the rebuttal


I wonder if he'd be mad if someone started a pig farm next door to him and city hall didn't allow cranky white libertarians in.
 
2014-02-07 04:51:24 PM

give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]


um, fta, specifically, the caption to the pic you posted:
Although Oklahoma was aligned with the Confederacy, it is not shaded because at the time the region was Indian Territory, not a state.


durrrr...
 
2014-02-07 04:51:59 PM

James10952001: Look I think he sounds like a real piece if shiat too, but that's his right.


No, it isn't , and won't be if you say it a million times. Do you think that if you keep saying it, the bigot fairey will come down and wave his magic wand and make it so? IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
 
2014-02-07 04:52:04 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: QU!RK1019: Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.

I guess it's safe to assume that you have no answer for this question. Hell even DRO answered...it was an infantile answer but at least it was an answer.



I just put the same amout of effort into the answer that you put into the question.
 
2014-02-07 04:52:34 PM

MBooda: Bane of Broone: MBooda: suburbanguy: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.

You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?

You cling to your definition of "the South", Kentucky, Times change and Oklahoma is now a southern state.

Call it that all you want, it's still a Western state.

[img.fark.net image 350x230]

No, it's not.

South, West, what the fark do you guys care?  Anything south or west of the Christie end of the GW Bridge is Banjo Country as far as you're concerned.  Admit it.

[dialectblog.com image 800x495]

You couldn't use a map from the last Presidential election?

Again, what difference does it make?  You really think Nevada is a dependable blue state?


5-string or 4-string?
 
2014-02-07 04:52:47 PM

Rapmaster2000: Who got to decide that!?  I don't remember being asked what I think.


Congress in 1964 after seeing that there was a pretty huge trend of people with dark-colored skin not being served and often being met with outright violence at such accommodations.

Dancin_In_Anson: QU!RK1019: Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.

I guess it's safe to assume that you have no answer for this question. Hell even DRO answered...it was an infantile answer but at least it was an answer.


It was an infantile question. The social contract is by definition not a legal contract but the assumed balance of responsibilities and benefits any individual within a larger society accepts by remaining an actor within that society. If you have neighbors, if you use roads, if you in any way interact with the outside world and the people within it, you are part of the social contract. To not be part of it, you would have to divorce yourself from any and all use of resources shared or distributed by society in any form.
 
2014-02-07 04:52:54 PM

QU!RK1019: Dancin_In_Anson: Well, I for one do want to go where I am not welcome.

Your presence here proves otherwise.


www.myhealthtips.in
 
2014-02-07 04:53:06 PM

dr_blasto: Are you going to argue that we don't?


We who? We The People? A democratic majority? Dangerous ground my friend.
 
2014-02-07 04:53:11 PM

dr_blasto: Dancin_In_Anson: dr_blasto: Society is under no obligation to allow business like this to exist


Who gets to decide this?

His community licenses his business and can revoke that license. That community is under no obligation to license discriminatory businesses and, since that community is part of a much larger national community, they may be obligated to distribute licenses based on national laws as well. The restaurant is also likely required to be ADA-accessible, so, he needs to make sure he is able to serve "cripples" or he's going to run into some other problems.

Enid isn't obligated to license an all-night open-air live rock club in the middle of some residential neighborhood either, so the imaginary all-night open-air live rock club needs to find an accommodating community or zoning. Just like nutty bigot guy, subject of TFA. He needs to find the appropriate community that allows his rules, if that's Belize and not the US, well, he's free to move there.


Sounds like he's already found it assuming he's got customers. This is Oklahoma we're talking about. Everyone can vote with their wallet. It's the most powerful language there is to a business. Don't go there an the business will go away.
 
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2014-02-07 04:53:17 PM

ssbob: I think it is funny how all the self-proclaimed tolerant folks here are so intolerant of someone who they disagree with.


Swanji: You're not upset about discrimination based on race or gender, as long as the right people (in your opinion) are discriminated against.


I will quote someone from upthread who said it very well:

jso2897: There is no point in pretending that hating evil, harmful people is analogous to hating people because of the color of their skin, or their handicapped status. I think it's odd, and suspicious, that someone would attempt to pretend that.
 
2014-02-07 04:54:23 PM

QU!RK1019: Dancin_In_Anson: Well, I for one do want to go where I am not welcome.

Your presence here proves otherwise.


ohsnapflowchart.bmp
 
2014-02-07 04:54:35 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Dancin_In_Anson: QU!RK1019: Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.

I guess it's safe to assume that you have no answer for this question. Hell even DRO answered...it was an infantile answer but at least it was an answer.


I just put the same amout of effort into the answer that you put into the question.


DIA just called you "Infantile". I hope you're wearing your irony-proof underwear.
 
2014-02-07 04:54:58 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: QU!RK1019: Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.

I guess it's safe to assume that you have no answer for this question. Hell even DRO answered...it was an infantile answer but at least it was an answer.


An answer?  To "Who wrote the social contract?"  You might as well have asked "Who wrote the book of love?"
 
2014-02-07 04:54:59 PM

QU!RK1019: Your presence here proves otherwise.


When the man that owns the place tells me I'm not welcome then you might be on to something.

Bloody William: The social contract is by definition not a legal contract


And yet you want to bind people to it with laws.
 
2014-02-07 04:55:07 PM

FlashHarry: ten bucks says this guy jerks himself to sleep every night thinking of terry crews in a thong.


Who doesn't?
 
2014-02-07 04:55:44 PM

suburbanguy: MBooda:

South, West, what the fark do you guys care?  Anything south or west of the Christie end of the GW Bridge is Banjo Country as far as you're concerned.  Admit it.

Um, you just put me (NE OH) in there, so...no.


I got news for you.  Those folks about seventy, eighty miles away from you, in New York?  They think you play the banjo, have twelve toes and voted for Kasich.
 
2014-02-07 04:56:18 PM

Diogenes: From the linked article:

Gard said, "He doesn't like certain people of race, color, ethnicity."

Gard was a regular at Gary's Chicaros restaurant for years.

He said he turned a blind eye to the owner's choice of customers, until recently.

Gard said, "Now, he tried to find a weak excuse not to let me in with my wheelchair or the weak excuse of having loud people with me."

So, sorry for your disability.  But you're kind of an asshole, too.


"First, Gary's Chicaros restaurant discriminated against the gays, and I did not speak out--because I was not gay;
Then Gary's Chicaros restaurant discriminated against the blacks, and I did not speak out--because I was not black;
Then Gary's Chicaros restaurant discriminated against the welfare recipients, and I did not speak out--because I was not a welfare recipient;


.....Then Gary's Chicaros restaurant discriminated against me for being a disabled person--and there was no one left to speak out for me."
 
2014-02-07 04:56:41 PM

QU!RK1019: Dancin_In_Anson: QU!RK1019: Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.

I guess it's safe to assume that you have no answer for this question. Hell even DRO answered...it was an infantile answer but at least it was an answer.

An answer?  To "Who wrote the social contract?"  You might as well have asked "Who wrote the book of love?"



Barry White. I'm pretty sure it was Barry White.
 
2014-02-07 04:56:42 PM

Bloody William: Rapmaster2000: Who got to decide that!?  I don't remember being asked what I think.

Congress in 1964 after seeing that there was a pretty huge trend of people with dark-colored skin not being served and often being met with outright violence at such accommodations.

Dancin_In_Anson: QU!RK1019: Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.

I guess it's safe to assume that you have no answer for this question. Hell even DRO answered...it was an infantile answer but at least it was an answer.

It was an infantile question. The social contract is by definition not a legal contract but the assumed balance of responsibilities and benefits any individual within a larger society accepts by remaining an actor within that society. If you have neighbors, if you use roads, if you in any way interact with the outside world and the people within it, you are part of the social contract. To not be part of it, you would have to divorce yourself from any and all use of resources shared or distributed by society in any form.


And it is actually a feature of law, since courts materially rule on the balance between individual rights and society's collective interests every day.
 
2014-02-07 04:57:02 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Bloody William: The social contract is by definition not a legal contract


And yet you want to bind people to it with laws.


Again, no.

There are certain aspects of the social contract that work well as the behavior of society- de facto. There are other aspects that require the interjection of law- de jure. As the Woolworth's counter sit-in and the events leading up to it and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 show, the latter is needed in regards to ensuring businesses treat people equally barring specific, legitimate reasons to refuse service.
 
2014-02-07 04:57:08 PM

QU!RK1019: An answer? To "Who wrote the social contract?" You might as well have asked "Who wrote the book of love?"


So it's more of an arbitrary set of rules conceived on feelings and enforced by law.
 
2014-02-07 04:57:51 PM
fark me, am I getting into an argument with someone who thinks the social contract is a literal legal document? It's 5:00 on a Friday, I've said my peace, I have shiat to do.
 
2014-02-07 04:58:39 PM

Bloody William: Again, no.


Again, yes. To wit:

Bloody William: the Civil Rights Act of 1964