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2014-02-07 06:48:58 PM

lordjupiter: Mouren: Mouren: Guys a dick but it is sorta his right.

I'd attend a sit it (or around, not actually in his place) for the lulz

Also as a preemptive comment the right to refuse exceptions only apply to "race, color, religion or place of origin". Does not explicitly apply to gays, which is the pertinent part of the story for me.

Sure there's precedent for arbitrary rules being unlawful but I doubt the judges in OK would care enough to enforce it.

FTFA:  "The restaurant's official t-shirt makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups."


Pretty sure "n-word" is a color, muslim is a religion, and immigrants are considered minority groups.  So yeah, let's not pretend what this guy is doing is legal or minor.  He's enforcing the Archie Bunker spectrum in direct violation of the law.

Amazing that this thread was trolled into 7 pages already.


Did I say I was basing his right to refuse me on color or religion? No, I said I was gay, and the law doesn't cover that. I don't give a shiat about the rest, it doesn't apply to me, I was pointing out the loophole he could use to refuse me.
 
2014-02-07 06:53:08 PM

jshine: / have a particular hatred for the Oklahoma City toll booths -- exact change only, every few miles.  You need to carry rolls of coins to drive through legally -- having sufficient cash is not enough.


Many of the toll booths have bill changers, though in locations (Kellyville being notable example) that don't have 'em, it's probably because people kept stealing them (also why you can't present a receipt for refund at Kellyville anymore; the toll plaza kept getting held up, so unless you have PIKEPASS, you're going to pay 50¢ more than it's scheduled for the trip coming from anywhere between OKC and Kellyville; the Kellyville eastbound exit tollbooth was a refund-only booth, too; the westbound entrance has a coupon dispenser to knock 50¢ off the trip westbound so you're not paying for the distance between Tulsa and Kellyville).  Creek and Kilpatrick have bill changers only at mainline toll plazas, operating only when the booths are unmanned.

Thankfully nothing seems to happen if you simply drive through the toll booth (except for a bell ringing, but there didn't appear to be any camera or other meaningful enforcement).  If I were going to get a ticket, it would have come months ago.

Some of them are photo enforced, and the PIKEPASS lanes and manned booths definitely are.  Good luck renewing your car tags and enjoy that collections agency when it comes back in arrears, OK is anal about toll enforcement.  If you can't cover the toll, there's reasonable alternate routes for every turnpike by law (so the tolls are really a fark-it tax for not having to slow down when a highway ends up on main street).  The ones I'm aware of (and have used myself)...

Joseph Turner:  OK 66 (actually a more popular option with everyone but the truckers these days because that turnpike is a godawful boring drive)
Will Rogers: Historic US 66 (it's well posted in Oklahoma)
Indian Nation: US 75
Muskogee North: OK 51B (US 64 will do it, too, if you don't need to hug the turnpike)
Muskogee South: US 64
Cimarron: US 64 (OK 51 will do it, too, and is often better if you're going to western OK and not the panhandle)
Cherokee: US 412 Alternate (I would actually recommend this if you're going the whole distance of the Cherokee Turnpike anyway, WAY more scenic; though OK 51 is better if you're heading to/from Tahlequah than either of those).
Chickasaw: OK 7/OK 3.
Creek: Local city streets within Tulsa and vicinity for local destinations, otherwise I 44.
John Kilpatrick: Memorial Road, Council Road.

Of course, if you have a GPS and you tell it fastest route without tolls, you'll probably get sent via these alternates anyway.  I try to keep OpenStreetMap aware of construction so devices and software that uses that map are aware and can recommend alternates as appropriate.

/Spends about $40/mo on tolls on-the-job.  If you can't pay the fark-it tax, deal with the alternate route.
//Be glad it's not the E 470 in Denver...no cash accepted, photo enforced
 
2014-02-07 06:54:39 PM

Mouren: lordjupiter: Mouren: Mouren: Guys a dick but it is sorta his right.

I'd attend a sit it (or around, not actually in his place) for the lulz

Also as a preemptive comment the right to refuse exceptions only apply to "race, color, religion or place of origin". Does not explicitly apply to gays, which is the pertinent part of the story for me.

Sure there's precedent for arbitrary rules being unlawful but I doubt the judges in OK would care enough to enforce it.

FTFA:  "The restaurant's official t-shirt makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups."


Pretty sure "n-word" is a color, muslim is a religion, and immigrants are considered minority groups.  So yeah, let's not pretend what this guy is doing is legal or minor.  He's enforcing the Archie Bunker spectrum in direct violation of the law.

Amazing that this thread was trolled into 7 pages already.

Did I say I was basing his right to refuse me on color or religion? No, I said I was gay, and the law doesn't cover that. I don't give a shiat about the rest, it doesn't apply to me, I was pointing out the loophole he could use to refuse me.


I'm sorry I didn't know it was all about you.
 
2014-02-07 07:00:05 PM

lordjupiter: Mouren: lordjupiter: Mouren: Mouren: Guys a dick but it is sorta his right.

I'd attend a sit it (or around, not actually in his place) for the lulz

Also as a preemptive comment the right to refuse exceptions only apply to "race, color, religion or place of origin". Does not explicitly apply to gays, which is the pertinent part of the story for me.

Sure there's precedent for arbitrary rules being unlawful but I doubt the judges in OK would care enough to enforce it.

FTFA:  "The restaurant's official t-shirt makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups."


Pretty sure "n-word" is a color, muslim is a religion, and immigrants are considered minority groups.  So yeah, let's not pretend what this guy is doing is legal or minor.  He's enforcing the Archie Bunker spectrum in direct violation of the law.

Amazing that this thread was trolled into 7 pages already.

Did I say I was basing his right to refuse me on color or religion? No, I said I was gay, and the law doesn't cover that. I don't give a shiat about the rest, it doesn't apply to me, I was pointing out the loophole he could use to refuse me.

I'm sorry I didn't know it was all about you.


If you had read my second comment (the part about "pertinent part to me") you might have figured that the comment was about me.
 
2014-02-07 07:00:33 PM

meathome: James!: Gosh, Oklahoma must be a nice place to never visit ever.

my BIL is from Oklahoma.

/It explains a lot about him.


We're not all like that. I make Democrat and Republican heads spin.

/pro Second Amendment
/pro choice
/LGBT rights supporter
/marriage equality supporter
 
2014-02-07 07:00:51 PM
NSFW warning, but it looks like someone defaced his Yelp page (click on the map and look at the picture associated with the marker)
 
2014-02-07 07:01:45 PM

Warlordtrooper: Please explain how womans only gysm avoid the public accomidation clause of the Civil Rights act.  If a gym can restrict its patrons based on gender then a business can restrict its patrons based on anything.


Gyms typically operate as private clubs.
 
2014-02-07 07:03:13 PM

Baloo Uriza: sovietski: Not all Okies are arseholes, I swear. Sadly, there are people here who will applaud him and he may very well see an increase in business. Fark, if she could get away with it, the Governor might show up.

Well, after the last couple years, she's on borrowed time politically from both sides anyway.


Yeah, she's gone full derp.
 
2014-02-07 07:03:35 PM
How about that.  A Republican.  How surprising.
 
2014-02-07 07:07:20 PM

Mouren: lordjupiter: Mouren: lordjupiter: Mouren: Mouren: Guys a dick but it is sorta his right.

I'd attend a sit it (or around, not actually in his place) for the lulz

Also as a preemptive comment the right to refuse exceptions only apply to "race, color, religion or place of origin". Does not explicitly apply to gays, which is the pertinent part of the story for me.

Sure there's precedent for arbitrary rules being unlawful but I doubt the judges in OK would care enough to enforce it.

FTFA:  "The restaurant's official t-shirt makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups."


Pretty sure "n-word" is a color, muslim is a religion, and immigrants are considered minority groups.  So yeah, let's not pretend what this guy is doing is legal or minor.  He's enforcing the Archie Bunker spectrum in direct violation of the law.

Amazing that this thread was trolled into 7 pages already.

Did I say I was basing his right to refuse me on color or religion? No, I said I was gay, and the law doesn't cover that. I don't give a shiat about the rest, it doesn't apply to me, I was pointing out the loophole he could use to refuse me.

I'm sorry I didn't know it was all about you.

If you had read my second comment (the part about "pertinent part to me") you might have figured that the comment was about me.


Right.  Because saying that isn't commonly interpreted as a general expression of interest, and is the same as saying "I'm gay and I'm only talking about how this would affect me personally".  Very clear.

You were also 100% wrong in your other comments, specifically that it was his right to discriminate.  It's not.  So maybe the problem isn't everyone else failing to read your comments.  Maybe it's your comments.
 
2014-02-07 07:09:00 PM

Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?


oh for farks sake
 
2014-02-07 07:09:41 PM

Aigoo: give me doughnuts: suburbanguy: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
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I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.

You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?

You cling to your definition of "the South", Kentucky, Times change and Oklahoma is now a southern state.

Call it that all you want, it's still a Western state.

[img.fark.net image 350x230]

No, it's not.


What's the criteria? Is it geography? Is it historical? What sets your dividing lines?

If you want to go with the strictly geographical, then you'll have to use the geopraphical center of the contiguous US. That puts almost all of Kansas, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, and California in the southern half of the country, as well as all of Arizona and New Mexico.
If you want historical (meaning the Confederacy), then your own map is incorrect as it includes Missouri and Kentucky (neither of which seceded), and does include West Virginia (which only came into being by their refusal to go along with secession).

Incidentally, the center of the contiguous states in only six minutes of latitude north of the Mason-Dixon line.

Geographically, I think we're considered part of the Midwest, actually. But I still consider Oklahoma part of the South--but not deep south, because you actually have to go father south than Oklahoma City to hit Texas-style derp (like, close to the Texas border). Oklahoma City and the surrounding area is actually pretty liberal--despite the jackhole in the article and our dipshiat governor and legislature. And despite Jim Lankford, but we try to pretend he doesn't exist (I'm voting for ...


Texas will never fall into the sea because Oklahomo sucks.
 
2014-02-07 07:12:42 PM

SansNeural: If someone from from southeast oklahoma, like Idabel, self-identifies as being Southern, I guess I wouldn't be too surprised.  Most other places in OK, it might raise an eyebrow.


Yeah, I'd be willing to include parts of Oklahoma part of the Arklatexoma area as being southern.  IIRC, basketball considers us northwestern in all three pro leagues (NBA, NBA-D, WNBA).  It's in the Central and East Coast Hockey Leagues (though, to be fair, Anchorage is in this league, too, IIRC).  The largest locally owned department store bills itself as carrying "north, south, east and western wear."  And there's at least six different locations near the Kansas/Oklahoma border bearing signs of varying degrees of inaccuracy billing itself as the center of the US.

I think I'm going to have to go with the description that appears on a home-made billboard on US 412 about halfway between Tulsa and the west end of the Cherokee Turnpike:  "Welcome to Oklahoma, where Colorado meets Arkansas"
 
2014-02-07 07:15:04 PM

Revek: Sounds like he needs a 4chan enema.


That's...the best use of 4chan I've ever heard ever.
 
2014-02-07 07:21:37 PM

someonelse: WTF, Yelp lists the price range as $$$$.


Not all costs are monetary if you have dignity.
 
2014-02-07 07:33:23 PM

Warlordtrooper: Please explain how womans only gysm avoid the public accomidation clause of the Civil Rights act.


This is my favorite typo of the evening so far.
 
2014-02-07 07:38:23 PM

Baloo Uriza: Many of the toll booths have bill changers, though in locations (Kellyville being notable example) that don't have 'em, it's probably because people kept stealing them (also why you can't present a receipt for refund at Kellyville anymore; the toll plaza kept getting held up, so unless you have PIKEPASS,


Sadly, having gone with the 'frequent barrier' structure 60 years back, the Oklahoma turnpikes can't readily do what other states do... take credit cards in the automated booths.  I mean, they could, but the fees on $1.50 tolls would be murder.

The painfully dumb thing to me is that the Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Colorado turnpikes can't make tag interoperation work.  They all use the exact same technology (as does Florida and some others).  It's different tech from the northeast's EZ-PASS system, but it's pure dumb politics that keep them from working with each other.
 
2014-02-07 07:42:58 PM

QU!RK1019: Dancin_In_Anson: QU!RK1019: Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.

I guess it's safe to assume that you have no answer for this question. Hell even DRO answered...it was an infantile answer but at least it was an answer.

An answer?  To "Who wrote the social contract?"  You might as well have asked "Who wrote the book of love?"


The concept undoubtedly predated him by centuries if not millennia, but if you're looking for the earliest known writing about the social contract, Plato is one of their earliest known to have written on the topic.
 
2014-02-07 07:43:15 PM
I always thought that one of the best things about Americans "Freedom of Speech" is that it makes it that much easier to avoid the idiots and just go on having a nice day.
 
2014-02-07 07:46:05 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: QU!RK1019: An answer? To "Who wrote the social contract?" You might as well have asked "Who wrote the book of love?"

So it's more of an arbitrary set of rules conceived on feelings and enforced by law.


In the same way rules against murder are, yes.
 
2014-02-07 07:46:07 PM

rogue49: Yes, Oklahoma can be like this...but Oklahoma City can be a damn great place to party.

Can find a hot date in 2 seconds flat in a 7/11.


Oklahoma City hits me as a little foreign.  The street layout "feels" more like Portland thanks to the way Northwest Expressway and I 40 are relative to downtown (heck, there's even a Portland neighborhood in OKC), yet it's in Oklahoma, and there's 7-Elevens and no QuikTrips...
 
2014-02-07 07:46:35 PM

TheTurtle: Looks like an abandoned cattle-auction barn.


You may be the only other one on this entire thread that actually looked at the establishment that's caused all this hubbub.

The one building at that intersection doesn't look like a restaurant, like you said - not from the street, and not from above.

Is there even any restaurant there or is this guy the amazingest troll ever?
 
2014-02-07 07:49:22 PM

sovietski: My town needs a Hideaway pizza.


I really get the feeling it's owned by the same folks as Pizza Schmizza given pretty much everything about the two places down to the recipes, product mix and even their advertising slogan (One Planet, One Pizza).  Which is nice, because I like Schmizza.  Just wished they delivered this far over (by TIA) since the last thing I want to do right now is drive Memorial.  The pavement's shiat, half of it's dug up, and idiots love to go lawnmower racing on it (especially if a Fast and Furious sequel has recently or is about to hit theaters or DVD).
 
2014-02-07 07:50:03 PM

udhq: James10952001: udhq: Bit'O'Gristle: As much as this guy is an asshole, and he is, its his farking restaurant. He has the right to refuse service to anyone. Granted, he's still an asshole. Did i mention that he's an asshole?

I don't know where this idea ever came from, but no, you do not have a "right to refuse service to anyone".  If that were true, no restaurants would voluntarily undergo the effort and expense of installing wheelchair ramps.

I see signs in a lot of restaurants stating that they have the right to refuse service to anyone, and this is in a very liberal suburb of Seattle, so that's likely where any confusion comes from. They don't specify any specific classes of people. I always figured it was so if someone is a dick they can be asked to leave.

Yeah, that's like those "not responsible for theft" signs in parking garages or the EULA clauses that state you waive your right to sue; they're of ZERO legal merit, and they're only there to make you think you have no recourse.

If you could just post a sign to exempt yourself from any law you wanted to, why wouldn't everyone be doing that?


So on a serious note, are those signs illegal? If not, is it illegal to have a sign posted saying No even though it is not legally binding?
 
2014-02-07 07:54:08 PM

James10952001: QU!RK1019: James10952001: I'm still curious how many of the people flipping out over this would be happy to serve the racist asshole if he walked into their business.

If he walked in, I wouldn't refuse him service based on his skin color, sexual orientation, employment status, or any other thing I think I could tell "just by looking at him."

Now, if he started causing trouble, I would exercise my right to refuse him service.

Does that clear it up for you?

What if he were acting politely but wearing a tshirt that says what his sign says, or something equally offensive?


Where I work, I'm usually only with one patient at a time, so I'd just let sleeping dogs lie. But if I was running a business where many clients could see him, I would probably ask him to cover up. Same as if someone came in with a shirt with any other cuss words all over it.
 
2014-02-07 07:54:16 PM

farkmedown: meathome: James!: Gosh, Oklahoma must be a nice place to never visit ever.

my BIL is from Oklahoma.

/It explains a lot about him.

We're not all like that. I make Democrat and Republican heads spin.

/pro Second Amendment
/pro choice
/LGBT rights supporter
/marriage equality supporter


Me too. There's really no political party for me. I'd go with libertarian except I support reasonable environmental regulations and a progressive tax on capital gains along with some other odds & ends so that pretty much rules that out too.
 
2014-02-07 08:31:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqgdNrGDo78

/has nothign to do with tfa but its awesome youre welcome
 
2014-02-07 08:46:04 PM

El_Perro: Dancin_In_Anson: Well, I for one do want to go where I am not welcome. Your mileage may vary.

See ciberido's post about the Green Book.  Prior to the Civil Rights Act, there were large swaths of the country "where [black people were] not welcome."  This made travelling extraordinarily difficult, because even if people were welcome at their points of departure and arrival, there may not be anywhere to stop (for food, gas, or even auto repair) in between.  A significant purpose of the Civil Rights Act was to ease/lift this de facto restriction on mobility.  Again, are people (read: you) so f*cking ignorant of American history that you didn't know this, or are you willfully ignoring the past?


Well said it's disgusting how many people what to to a blind eye to bigotry of any form.

Sure it's been said but those business owners need a license, and are able to operate safely because they have access to road, police, fie, and other EMS. Also there bigot asses are talking away from customers that will obey the law and operate in the system. So ya close them down sue them sic the AG on them whatever.
 
2014-02-07 09:15:32 PM

Baloo Uriza: //Be glad it's not the E 470 in Denver...no cash accepted, photo enforced


E470 does it right. They only charge via mail so you never need any change. If you're from out of state, you get a bill for your toll in the mail and you never have to stop. If your state doesn't provide license plate info to the toll people, you're off scott free.
 
2014-02-07 09:16:05 PM

James10952001: I'm still curious how many of the people flipping out over this would be happy to serve the racist asshole if he walked into their business.


Being a racist asshole is a choice.  Being a minority isn't.
 
2014-02-07 09:27:14 PM

James10952001: I'm from Portland originally and have always found Oregon to be a nice place in general. Never been anywhere near Kansas and don't see much similarity there.


Oregon's passive-aggressively racist and homophobic.  Kansas at least has the decency to say it to your face.

/Grew up on MLK in Portland
//Pulled over for driving while redskin more times than I can count
///Assaulted twice for holding my boyfriend's hand on the MAX.  Police didn't care.
////Didn't know that wasn't normal until I left.
 
2014-02-07 09:30:46 PM

James10952001: farkmedown: meathome: James!: Gosh, Oklahoma must be a nice place to never visit ever.

my BIL is from Oklahoma.

/It explains a lot about him.

We're not all like that. I make Democrat and Republican heads spin.

/pro Second Amendment
/pro choice
/LGBT rights supporter
/marriage equality supporter

Me too. There's really no political party for me. I'd go with libertarian except I support reasonable environmental regulations and a progressive tax on capital gains along with some other odds & ends so that pretty much rules that out too.


shiat, I'm a socailist (mostly) from Wyoming.
 
2014-02-07 09:44:21 PM

sendtodave: Greatest Generation. Show some respect.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-07 10:20:45 PM

Nabb1: You don't actually have to do anything of course.


To be fair, what can one do short of raging about it on the internet? The internet raging is pretty good for catharsis and relatively harmless, so I don't see it as a bad thing at all.

/Seriously, though, what do you expect us to do? Go to Enid, Oklahoma and beat this guy up or something?
 
2014-02-07 10:34:16 PM

obamadidcoke: Texas will never fall into the sea because Oklahomo sucks.


Texas blows and Kansas sucks.  We're landbound except for the Arkansas River due to vapor-lock
 
2014-02-07 11:14:21 PM
I'll volunteer to be the injun cripple, I got a bad leg. Now I need to find a gay nword democrat and we'll road trip on down there to order some quiche while wearing rainbow shirts to ensure our lawsuit. Any takers?
 
2014-02-07 11:16:51 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: El_Perro: Dancin_In_Anson: Well, I for one do want to go where I am not welcome. Your mileage may vary.

See ciberido's post about the Green Book.  Prior to the Civil Rights Act, there were large swaths of the country "where [black people were] not welcome."  This made travelling extraordinarily difficult, because even if people were welcome at their points of departure and arrival, there may not be anywhere to stop (for food, gas, or even auto repair) in between.  A significant purpose of the Civil Rights Act was to ease/lift this de facto restriction on mobility.  Again, are people (read: you) so f*cking ignorant of American history that you didn't know this, or are you willfully ignoring the past?

Well said it's disgusting how many people what to to a blind eye to bigotry of any form.

Sure it's been said but those business owners need a license, and are able to operate safely because they have access to road, police, fie, and other EMS. Also there bigot asses are talking away from customers that will obey the law and operate in the system. So ya close them down sue them sic the AG on them whatever.


They pay taxes too.  You benefit from his taxes, at least federal, as much as he benefits from yours.  They're free to be assholes and so are you.

From where I sit, your intolerance of him and ready willingness to use the government to push your own views makes you not only an asshole but a much bigger asshole than this guy.
 
2014-02-07 11:39:31 PM

Sgt Otter: Magorn: Apparently he's not up on recent developments in the law, like say the public accomodation clause of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.   And I can just see him trying to claim he's not REALLy a racist in court and the opposing attorney producing "The restaurant's official t-shirt"  "{which} makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups. "


 I almost want to see that shirt now, and a picture of someone who thinks wearing it would be a good idea

There's a few photos around 1:50 in the video.

A sit-in by a bunch of wounded and disabled veterans from Fort Sill should be good for some lulz.


Watching said disabled vets beat this guy's ass would provide even more.
 
2014-02-07 11:55:09 PM

Baloo Uriza: James10952001: I'm from Portland originally and have always found Oregon to be a nice place in general. Never been anywhere near Kansas and don't see much similarity there.

Oregon's passive-aggressively racist and homophobic.  Kansas at least has the decency to say it to your face.

/Grew up on MLK in Portland
//Pulled over for driving while redskin more times than I can count
///Assaulted twice for holding my boyfriend's hand on the MAX.  Police didn't care.
////Didn't know that wasn't normal until I left.


I'm guessing you're Creek, though who knows with the way folks move these days.  Where I live in OK now, I know more Pawnee, Ponca and Wa-sha-she Natives.  I grew up (until about 15) in Alfalfa county - no blacks, few "injuns" out there at the time.  Fewer people out there in general, now.  The people of that area where I grew up were generally good, though culturally inexperienced and I reckon that hasn't changed.
 
2014-02-07 11:59:38 PM
Oklahoma isn't OK.
 
2014-02-08 12:02:33 AM

Baloo Uriza: James10952001: I'm still curious how many of the people flipping out over this would be happy to serve the racist asshole if he walked into their business.

Being a racist asshole is a choice.  Being a minority isn't.


Unless you relocate
 
2014-02-08 12:03:38 AM

Baloo Uriza: SansNeural: If someone from from southeast oklahoma, like Idabel, self-identifies as being Southern, I guess I wouldn't be too surprised.  Most other places in OK, it might raise an eyebrow.

Yeah, I'd be willing to include parts of Oklahoma part of the Arklatexoma area as being southern.  IIRC, basketball considers us northwestern in all three pro leagues (NBA, NBA-D, WNBA).  It's in the Central and East Coast Hockey Leagues (though, to be fair, Anchorage is in this league, too, IIRC).  The largest locally owned department store bills itself as carrying "north, south, east and western wear."  And there's at least six different locations near the Kansas/Oklahoma border bearing signs of varying degrees of inaccuracy billing itself as the center of the US.

I think I'm going to have to go with the description that appears on a home-made billboard on US 412 about halfway between Tulsa and the west end of the Cherokee Turnpike:  "Welcome to Oklahoma, where Colorado meets Arkansas"


Motherfarker in Arkansas does that shiat to much and a brother will waste a whole clip on his ass down here.  Now up there in hillbilly land not so much.  As to the sign I'm sure they are just glad they are leaving texass.
 
2014-02-08 12:08:40 AM

Bucky Katt: Oklahoma isn't OK.


Says the Farker who's profile includes (1) "SW Fla" and (2) a map that indicates "never been to Oklahoma"

But I can accept your judgement that Oklahoma is not completely OK, if you can agree that Florida is also not OK and that every other state is also not OK, understanding that there are assholes like the guy in the FA in every state.
 
2014-02-08 12:15:01 AM

Revek: Motherfarker in Arkansas does that shiat to much and a brother will waste a whole clip on his ass down here. Now up there in hillbilly land not so much. As to the sign I'm sure they are just glad they are leaving texass.


WTF are you talking about?

My best advice, ease off on the 'shine about now and camp down with the old lady and sleep it off.
 
2014-02-08 12:15:59 AM

Lawnchair: Sadly, having gone with the 'frequent barrier' structure 60 years back, the Oklahoma turnpikes can't readily do what other states do... take credit cards in the automated booths.  I mean, they could, but the fees on $1.50 tolls would be murder.


Yeah, and $1.50 is an exceptionally expensive toll plaza.  There's still a  lot of 25/50/75¢ exit/entry plazas, and they're often in high-volume spots.  Especially on discounted local connection segments (everyone entering or exiting at US 75 onto the Creek Turnpike only pay 25¢ to Sapulpa and 50¢ to Kellyville going west, and 25¢ between 75 and the Jenks mainline toll plaza (75¢ covering all tolls between Jenks and the Pearl Harbor Freeway eastbound).  Biggest complaint cash customers have with the Creek Turnpike is that the exit ramps between a mainline toll plaza and the equidistant point to the next mainline plaza do not have refund booths, though PIKEPASS customers do get credited for traveling less than the full fare; to which I just gotta say, if you're taking the Creek enough to make that a problem, stop by the PIKEPASS Center (convenient parking on the Turner Turnpike if you're going out of town, or by toll-free street if you're not heading west) and get a PIKEPASS already; the tag's free but you do have to put credit on it).  Cost per mile, OTA has the among the cheapest toll routes on the continent (by land or sea; I think Amtrak Autotrain might beat OTA by a lot), and you can use it to pay for parking at Tulsa Airport without waiting in line, too.

The painfully dumb thing to me is that the Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Colorado turnpikes can't make tag interoperation work.  They all use the exact same technology (as does Florida and some others).  It's different tech from the northeast's EZ-PASS system, but it's pure dumb politics that keep them from working with each other.

As far as I'm aware, Colorado doesn't use tags (there wasn't obvious evidence of it on the E 470; just cameras photographing plates and I got a bill in the mail two  years later).  The OTA feels your pain, and upon realizing that they're using the same readers as the NTTA and KTA, went to the ISO standard ETC tag, and is in talks with the NTTA and KTA to allow interoperability with both soon.  PIKEPASS and TxTag should be interoperable sometime this summer, while PIKEPASS and K-Tag will be interoparable by next winter.  However, as far as I can tell, you still won't be able to use a KTA K-tag in North Texas or a NTTA TxTag on the KTA road.  But, if you got an Okie PIKEPASS...you win like PK Hunder losing his phone on the big-air at last year's X-Games.
 
2014-02-08 12:17:27 AM

Rapmaster2000: give me doughnuts:


What's the criteria? Is it geography? Is it historical? What sets your dividing lines?

If you want to go with the strictly geographical, then you'll have to use the geopraphical center of the contiguous US. That puts almost all of Kansas, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, and California in the southern half of the country, as well as all of Arizona and New Mexico.
If you want historical (meaning the Confederacy), then your own map is incorrect as it includes Missouri and Kentucky (neither of which seceded), and does include West Virginia (which only came into being by their refusal to go along with secession).

Incidentally, the center of the contiguous states in only six minutes of latitude north of the Mason-Dixon line.

I live in GA and don't feel OK is Southern at all.  Let's just call that whole strip "the plains".  Give East Texas to the South and West Texas to the West.  South Florida goes to the Caribbean.

Missouri gets nothing because nobody likes Missouri.


Go look at the Federal census for Oklahoma, available online through 1940 via Ancestry.com. Most of the people who were living there in the early- to-mid 20th century were either born in Southern states, or their parents were. Mostly Tennessee, Arkansas, Kentucky, Texas. All Confederate states. Okies overwhelmingly had a Southern heritage.
 
2014-02-08 12:21:22 AM

Critical Cool: tinfoil-hat maggie: El_Perro: Dancin_In_Anson: Well, I for one do want to go where I am not welcome. Your mileage may vary.

See ciberido's post about the Green Book.  Prior to the Civil Rights Act, there were large swaths of the country "where [black people were] not welcome."  This made travelling extraordinarily difficult, because even if people were welcome at their points of departure and arrival, there may not be anywhere to stop (for food, gas, or even auto repair) in between.  A significant purpose of the Civil Rights Act was to ease/lift this de facto restriction on mobility.  Again, are people (read: you) so f*cking ignorant of American history that you didn't know this, or are you willfully ignoring the past?

Well said it's disgusting how many people what to to a blind eye to bigotry of any form.

Sure it's been said but those business owners need a license, and are able to operate safely because they have access to road, police, fie, and other EMS. Also there bigot asses are talking away from customers that will obey the law and operate in the system. So ya close them down sue them sic the AG on them whatever.

They pay taxes too.  You benefit from his taxes, at least federal, as much as he benefits from yours.  They're free to be assholes and so are you.

From where I sit, your intolerance of him and ready willingness to use the government to push your own views makes you not only an asshole but a much bigger asshole than this guy.


Yea his taxes cover police, fire, EMS, roads. You sir are dishonest or well....
 
2014-02-08 12:34:48 AM

Huggermugger: Most of the people who were living there in the early- to-mid 20th century were either born in Southern states, or their parents were. Mostly Tennessee, Arkansas, Kentucky, Texas. All Confederate states. Okies overwhelmingly had a Southern heritage.


On my mother's side, her parents were from TN and KY, though I think they missed the land runs.  On my dad's side, pure Welsh immigrants who first settled in Riley county, KS and then homesteaded in OK in the last land run.

Now... my own family bears a recognisably Welsh family name, but includes a Chinese wife and two very bright kids who catch no flack at school for their mixed race heritage.

Oh, My, God.  What is Oklahoma coming to?!
 
2014-02-08 12:37:56 AM

SansNeural: My best advice, ease off on the 'shine about now and camp down with the old lady and sleep it off.


I know this wasnt meant for me but I'll take it, its great advice. Gonna pour the rest of my drink out down the sink.and She's be all warm and soft under the covers in there good call!
 
2014-02-08 02:50:00 AM

Critical Cool: your intolerance of him


Ah yes, the old "you're the intolerant one for not tolerating intolerance"
 
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