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2014-02-07 04:43:56 PM  
Know what I want to see? I want to see all this guy's most hated groups surround his place. By the thousands. Just completely encircle the place, with him in it.

Then the best speaker comes forward. "Sir, we have thought this through, and after careful debate, it has been decreed, per the Internet, that we have 'bigger fish to fry'."

And then everyone produces similarly full containers of gasoline. "But you, we'll charbroil..."
 
2014-02-07 04:44:06 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: DROxINxTHExWIND: He has accepted a social contract

You got a copy of that contract? Who wrote it?


Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.
 
2014-02-07 04:44:20 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Bloody William: Dancin_In_Anson: Potato potahto.

No, no it isn't.

Dancin_In_Anson: He owns a private establishment.

And public accommodation. That's a type of private establishment that is open to the public for people to shop or eat. It is accessible, and in that sense is not private.

Then by that definition there is no such thing as a private business.


Yes there are - lots of them. Could you please just say one thing that isn't wrong? Just say the sky is blue or something?
 
2014-02-07 04:44:23 PM  

sendtodave: Do these articles get greened just to make Fark coastal liberals feel smug, superior?


We really don't need Fark for that.
 
Ant
2014-02-07 04:45:26 PM  

Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.


So unless people in the majority start sticking up for you, a hated minority, by boycotting businesses on your behalf, business owners can continue to discriminate against you as long as the market will allow it. Is that what you're saying?
 
2014-02-07 04:45:31 PM  

dr_blasto: Dancin_In_Anson: dr_blasto: Society is under no obligation to allow business like this to exist


Who gets to decide this?

His community licenses his business and can revoke that license. That community is under no obligation to license discriminatory businesses and, since that community is part of a much larger national community, they may be obligated to distribute licenses based on national laws as well. The restaurant is also likely required to be ADA-accessible, so, he needs to make sure he is able to serve "cripples" or he's going to run into some other problems.

Enid isn't obligated to license an all-night open-air live rock club in the middle of some residential neighborhood either, so the imaginary all-night open-air live rock club needs to find an accommodating community or zoning. Just like nutty bigot guy, subject of TFA. He needs to find the appropriate community that allows his rules, if that's Belize and not the US, well, he's free to move there.


Who says so!?  That's not freedom to me.

/just preparing you for the rebuttal
 
2014-02-07 04:45:47 PM  
WTF, Yelp lists the price range as $$$$.
 
2014-02-07 04:45:53 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: James10952001: DROxINxTHExWIND: James10952001: PanicMan: Mattyb710: I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.

Discrimination damages the health and safety of a community.  The effects may not be immediate, but they can be severe, even lethal.

So does being an asshole, but how do you outlaw that?

You can't legislate morality.


But you can penalize bigots for discrimination.

Yep, you absolutely can. It's called "not patronizing their business". In other words, don't go there and don't give them your money. You even have the option of not helping them out, should they ever wind up in a position of need.


If I live in that town he's already TAKING my money every time the street lights on that block light a path to his restaurant's door. Every time the police come to his restaurant to respond to a call about a disorderly patron. Every time he dumps his greasy trap into the groundwater supply...

No one is demanding that he stay in business and serve cripples. He's more than welcome to pack his shiat up and take it to Sochi or some other place where those veiws are tolerated by the people who pay for the lights on his street.


If the people who pay for lights on his street don't patronize his business, his business will cease to exist and the problem is solved. It's not as if it's located in the middle of San Francisco with all the customers commuting in from backward redneck places.


Look I think he sounds like a real piece if shiat too, but that's his right. It's only a problem if he starts instigating harm to others.
 
2014-02-07 04:46:13 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Then by that definition there is no such thing as a private business.


There's a well established, well understood and well justified legal distinction between private property such as your house, your car, your apartment, and a public practice, service or other business, whatever semantic issues you may have with it notwithstanding. Failure to grasp this or why it exists would simply hallmark ignorance on the part of the person lacking this pretty straightforward knowledge.
 
2014-02-07 04:46:21 PM  

QU!RK1019: Dancin_In_Anson: DROxINxTHExWIND: He has accepted a social contract

You got a copy of that contract? Who wrote it?

Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.


What makes you get to decide what's blustery!?  Is your name Webster?
 
2014-02-07 04:47:05 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Bloody William: Dancin_In_Anson: Potato potahto.

No, no it isn't.

Dancin_In_Anson: He owns a private establishment.

And public accommodation. That's a type of private establishment that is open to the public for people to shop or eat. It is accessible, and in that sense is not private.

Then by that definition there is no such thing as a private business.


Yes, exactly.

It's a privately-OWNED business. That only means he owns it, not shareholders or other people. What you're thinking of is a private membership club. They can exclude whoever they want, but that also comes with certain conditions.

This guy's business is privately-owned, not a private membership club.
 
2014-02-07 04:47:32 PM  

James10952001: DROxINxTHExWIND: James10952001: DROxINxTHExWIND: James10952001: PanicMan: Mattyb710: I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.

Discrimination damages the health and safety of a community.  The effects may not be immediate, but they can be severe, even lethal.

So does being an asshole, but how do you outlaw that?

You can't legislate morality.


But you can penalize bigots for discrimination.

Yep, you absolutely can. It's called "not patronizing their business". In other words, don't go there and don't give them your money. You even have the option of not helping them out, should they ever wind up in a position of need.


If I live in that town he's already TAKING my money every time the street lights on that block light a path to his restaurant's door. Every time the police come to his restaurant to respond to a call about a disorderly patron. Every time he dumps his greasy trap into the groundwater supply...

No one is demanding that he stay in business and serve cripples. He's more than welcome to pack his shiat up and take it to Sochi or some other place where those veiws are tolerated by the people who pay for the lights on his street.

If the people who pay for lights on his street don't patronize his business, his business will cease to exist and the problem is solved. It's not as if it's located in the middle of San Francisco with all the customers commuting in from backward redneck places.


Look I think he sounds like a real piece if shiat too, but that's his right. It's only a problem if he starts instigating harm to others.


I think you should go to the Supreme Court and argue this airtight case.  They'd probably agree.
 
2014-02-07 04:47:34 PM  

Bloody William: And public accommodation.


Warlordtrooper: Then by that definition there is no such thing as a private business.


I guess so eh?

El_Perro: Because if this asshole has the right to refuse serve me based on my race, ethnicity, disability, etc., then any asshole has the right to refuse to serve me based on my race, ethnicity, disability, etc


Yeah ok.

El_Perro: And if any asshole has the right to do so, then EVERY business owner in a given area has the right to do so.


Yeah, ok.

El_Perro: That would leave members of the discriminated-against class with few/no options for food, gas, etc. (e.g., those things classified as "public accomodations") when travelling to (or through) areas where all/most business owners discriminated


Yeah, ok.

El_Perro: That, in turn, effectively limits the ability of the discriminated-against class to travel to or through such areas.


Well, I for one do want to go where I am not welcome. Your mileage may vary.

dr_blasto: His community licenses his business and can revoke that license.


Fair 'nuff. And if they choose not to you're cool with that.
 
2014-02-07 04:47:38 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Bloody William: Dancin_In_Anson: Potato potahto.

No, no it isn't.

Dancin_In_Anson: He owns a private establishment.

And public accommodation. That's a type of private establishment that is open to the public for people to shop or eat. It is accessible, and in that sense is not private.

Then by that definition there is no such thing as a private business.


Um... no.

Private business: Privately  held company where ownership is kept to a few individuals or a small number of shareholders. It is not owned by the government and it is not a non-profit organization.

Public accommodation: Any privately or publicly owned facility that is open to the public. Specifically, any such facility where people go to "be" for any reason or length of time, rather than to simply perform a transaction in exchange for goods.

As defined in the Civil RIghts Act of 1964, Title II, Sec. 201:

(b) Each of the following establishments which serves the public is a place of public accommodation within the meaning of this title if its operations affect commerce, or if discrimination or segregation by it is supported by State action:
(1) any inn, hotel, motel, or other establishment which provides lodging to transient guests, other than an establishment located within a building which contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire and which is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as his residence;
(2) any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda fountain, or other facility principally engaged in selling food for consumption on the premises, including, but not limited to, any such facility located on the premises of any retail establishment; or any gasoline station;
(3) any motion picture house, theater, concert hall, sports arena, stadium or other place of exhibition or entertainment; and
(4) any establishment (A)(i) which is physically located within the premises of any establishment otherwise covered by this subsection, or (ii) within the premises of which is physically located any such covered establishment, and (B) which holds itself out as serving patrons of such covered establishment.
 
2014-02-07 04:47:44 PM  

James10952001: DROxINxTHExWIND: James10952001: DROxINxTHExWIND: James10952001: PanicMan: Mattyb710: I do not believe there should be laws that control what an individual does with their privately owned property, except in cases of public health and safety.

Discrimination damages the health and safety of a community.  The effects may not be immediate, but they can be severe, even lethal.

So does being an asshole, but how do you outlaw that?

You can't legislate morality.


But you can penalize bigots for discrimination.

Yep, you absolutely can. It's called "not patronizing their business". In other words, don't go there and don't give them your money. You even have the option of not helping them out, should they ever wind up in a position of need.


If I live in that town he's already TAKING my money every time the street lights on that block light a path to his restaurant's door. Every time the police come to his restaurant to respond to a call about a disorderly patron. Every time he dumps his greasy trap into the groundwater supply...

No one is demanding that he stay in business and serve cripples. He's more than welcome to pack his shiat up and take it to Sochi or some other place where those veiws are tolerated by the people who pay for the lights on his street.

If the people who pay for lights on his street don't patronize his business, his business will cease to exist and the problem is solved. It's not as if it's located in the middle of San Francisco with all the customers commuting in from backward redneck places.


Look I think he sounds like a real piece if shiat too, but that's his right. It's only a problem if he starts instigating harm to others.


No it's not. Stop ignoring laws because of your personal beliefs.
 
2014-02-07 04:48:03 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: He doesn't serve Democrats either.


Have you ever tried to clean one of those things?
 
2014-02-07 04:48:03 PM  

umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: teenytinycornteeth: Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Problems are made for correcting.

So you're the self appointed "fix other people's problems" guy eh? Good to know your house is 100% squared away.


So, in your eyes, one has to be absolutely perfect before helping to solve the problems of others?  Nothing can be worked on concurrently?

The disconnect here is the difference between "I have a problem, please help me with it" and "You have a problem, and I'm going to help you with it whether you see it as a problem or not".


Stop focusing on the business owner. Its not about him. He has accepted a social contract and part of that contract states that if you use OUR infrastructure and you operate a business that serves the public, you can't discriminate. Period. No one CARES who this shiatkicker likes or does not like. He's welcome to bring my burger out and then retreat to the back for a miniature cross-burning using a peice of pound cake and two toothpicks. No one gives a shiat about changing him. He can't use MY money getting the potholes in front of his restaurant fixed and then deny me service. Its not that difficult a concept.

I wasn't focusing on the business owner or defending him in any way. So go fark yourself.



Well, THAT escalated quickly. LOL.


/Whatever it was from a past thread...get over it.
 
2014-02-07 04:48:15 PM  

Bane of Broone: MBooda: suburbanguy: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.

You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?

You cling to your definition of "the South", Kentucky, Times change and Oklahoma is now a southern state.

Call it that all you want, it's still a Western state.

[img.fark.net image 350x230]

No, it's not.

South, West, what the fark do you guys care?  Anything south or west of the Christie end of the GW Bridge is Banjo Country as far as you're concerned.  Admit it.

[dialectblog.com image 800x495]

You couldn't use a map from the last Presidential election?


Again, what difference does it make?  You really think Nevada is a dependable blue state?
 
2014-02-07 04:48:18 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: DROxINxTHExWIND: He has accepted a social contract

You got a copy of that contract? Who wrote it?


Are you going to argue that we don't? WTF do we have countries, cities or any societies for if we're not going to have some farking standards? You want to put your shingle up and hook up to the sewers on main street without having to meet some basic requirements?
 
2014-02-07 04:48:23 PM  

CleanAndPure: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.

Read the article... or at very least... read the Fark headline.

This is in Oklahoma, not "the South."


Ehh.  All you white people look alike.
 
2014-02-07 04:48:34 PM  
Awesome. Every business should be able to cater only to those they want to. No issues here.
 
2014-02-07 04:48:43 PM  

Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.

You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?

You cling to your definition of "the South", Kentucky, Times change and Oklahoma is now a southern state.


No one in the South considers Oklahoma Southern. Heck. Texas isn't really "the south" either but we sometimes get lumped in with them.

Only a damn Yankee would call Oklahoma "the south".
 
2014-02-07 04:48:46 PM  

El_Perro: Dancin_In_Anson: jso2897: He will only be forced to serve those he has no reasonable, lawful cause to refuse.

WHY THE FARK WOULD YOU WANT TO BE SERVED BY THIS ASSHOLE?

Because if this asshole has the right to refuse serve me based on my race, ethnicity, disability, etc., then any asshole has the right to refuse to serve me based on my race, ethnicity, disability, etc.  And if any asshole has the right to do so, then EVERY business owner in a given area has the right to do so.  That would leave members of the discriminated-against class with few/no options for food, gas, etc. (e.g., those things classified as "public accomodations") when travelling to (or through) areas where all/most business owners discriminated.  That, in turn, effectively limits the ability of the discriminated-against class to travel to or through such areas.

This is not some sort of baseless slippery slope argument - it is the history of the Civil Rights Act.  Are people this f*cking ignorant of American history?


If you owned a restaurant, would you serve the racist piece of shiat if he came in? Would you provide him with the same quality of food and service as you'd provide anyone else?
 
2014-02-07 04:49:00 PM  

Bloody William: Warlordtrooper: Bloody William: Dancin_In_Anson: Potato potahto.

No, no it isn't.

Dancin_In_Anson: He owns a private establishment.

And public accommodation. That's a type of private establishment that is open to the public for people to shop or eat. It is accessible, and in that sense is not private.

Then by that definition there is no such thing as a private business.

Um... no.

Private business: Privately  held company where ownership is kept to a few individuals or a small number of shareholders. It is not owned by the government and it is not a non-profit organization.

Public accommodation: Any privately or publicly owned facility that is open to the public. Specifically, any such facility where people go to "be" for any reason or length of time, rather than to simply perform a transaction in exchange for goods.

As defined in the Civil RIghts Act of 1964, Title II, Sec. 201:

(b) Each of the following establishments which serves the public is a place of public accommodation within the meaning of this title if its operations affect commerce, or if discrimination or segregation by it is supported by State action:
(1) any inn, hotel, motel, or other establishment which provides lodging to transient guests, other than an establishment located within a building which contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire and which is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as his residence;
(2) any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda fountain, or other facility principally engaged in selling food for consumption on the premises, including, but not limited to, any such facility located on the premises of any retail establishment; or any gasoline station;
(3) any motion picture house, theater, concert hall, sports arena, stadium or other place of exhibition or entertainment; and
(4) any establishment (A)(i) which is physically located within the premises of any establishment otherwise covered by this subsection, or (ii) within th ...


Who got to decide that!?  I don't remember being asked what I think.
 
2014-02-07 04:49:23 PM  

QU!RK1019: Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.


I guess it's safe to assume that you have no answer for this question. Hell even DRO answered...it was an infantile answer but at least it was an answer.
 
2014-02-07 04:49:28 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: I guess so eh?


Not really, no. As has been explained above. And which I helpfully further explained below your previous post!
 
2014-02-07 04:49:38 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Well, I for one do want to go where I am not welcome.


Your presence here proves otherwise.
 
2014-02-07 04:50:13 PM  
imageshack.com
Nope, not racist at all.
 
2014-02-07 04:50:42 PM  

QU!RK1019: Dancin_In_Anson: Well, I for one do want to go where I am not welcome.

Your presence here proves otherwise.


gifrific.com
 
2014-02-07 04:51:04 PM  

Rapmaster2000: dr_blasto: Dancin_In_Anson: dr_blasto: Society is under no obligation to allow business like this to exist


Who gets to decide this?

His community licenses his business and can revoke that license. That community is under no obligation to license discriminatory businesses and, since that community is part of a much larger national community, they may be obligated to distribute licenses based on national laws as well. The restaurant is also likely required to be ADA-accessible, so, he needs to make sure he is able to serve "cripples" or he's going to run into some other problems.

Enid isn't obligated to license an all-night open-air live rock club in the middle of some residential neighborhood either, so the imaginary all-night open-air live rock club needs to find an accommodating community or zoning. Just like nutty bigot guy, subject of TFA. He needs to find the appropriate community that allows his rules, if that's Belize and not the US, well, he's free to move there.

Who says so!?  That's not freedom to me.

/just preparing you for the rebuttal


I wonder if he'd be mad if someone started a pig farm next door to him and city hall didn't allow cranky white libertarians in.
 
2014-02-07 04:51:24 PM  

give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]


um, fta, specifically, the caption to the pic you posted:
Although Oklahoma was aligned with the Confederacy, it is not shaded because at the time the region was Indian Territory, not a state.


durrrr...
 
2014-02-07 04:51:59 PM  

James10952001: Look I think he sounds like a real piece if shiat too, but that's his right.


No, it isn't , and won't be if you say it a million times. Do you think that if you keep saying it, the bigot fairey will come down and wave his magic wand and make it so? IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
 
2014-02-07 04:52:04 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: QU!RK1019: Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.

I guess it's safe to assume that you have no answer for this question. Hell even DRO answered...it was an infantile answer but at least it was an answer.



I just put the same amout of effort into the answer that you put into the question.
 
2014-02-07 04:52:34 PM  

MBooda: Bane of Broone: MBooda: suburbanguy: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: give me doughnuts: Bane of Broone: And people wonder why the South is ridiculed.


When did Oklahoma become part of "the South"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

From that article:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 566x365]

I'm pretty sure the guy in the article would enjoy living in the past as well.

You do realize that the Confederacy didn't annex any states after the Civil War?

You cling to your definition of "the South", Kentucky, Times change and Oklahoma is now a southern state.

Call it that all you want, it's still a Western state.

[img.fark.net image 350x230]

No, it's not.

South, West, what the fark do you guys care?  Anything south or west of the Christie end of the GW Bridge is Banjo Country as far as you're concerned.  Admit it.

[dialectblog.com image 800x495]

You couldn't use a map from the last Presidential election?

Again, what difference does it make?  You really think Nevada is a dependable blue state?


5-string or 4-string?
 
2014-02-07 04:52:47 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Who got to decide that!?  I don't remember being asked what I think.


Congress in 1964 after seeing that there was a pretty huge trend of people with dark-colored skin not being served and often being met with outright violence at such accommodations.

Dancin_In_Anson: QU!RK1019: Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.

I guess it's safe to assume that you have no answer for this question. Hell even DRO answered...it was an infantile answer but at least it was an answer.


It was an infantile question. The social contract is by definition not a legal contract but the assumed balance of responsibilities and benefits any individual within a larger society accepts by remaining an actor within that society. If you have neighbors, if you use roads, if you in any way interact with the outside world and the people within it, you are part of the social contract. To not be part of it, you would have to divorce yourself from any and all use of resources shared or distributed by society in any form.
 
2014-02-07 04:52:54 PM  

QU!RK1019: Dancin_In_Anson: Well, I for one do want to go where I am not welcome.

Your presence here proves otherwise.


www.myhealthtips.in
 
2014-02-07 04:53:06 PM  

dr_blasto: Are you going to argue that we don't?


We who? We The People? A democratic majority? Dangerous ground my friend.
 
2014-02-07 04:53:11 PM  

dr_blasto: Dancin_In_Anson: dr_blasto: Society is under no obligation to allow business like this to exist


Who gets to decide this?

His community licenses his business and can revoke that license. That community is under no obligation to license discriminatory businesses and, since that community is part of a much larger national community, they may be obligated to distribute licenses based on national laws as well. The restaurant is also likely required to be ADA-accessible, so, he needs to make sure he is able to serve "cripples" or he's going to run into some other problems.

Enid isn't obligated to license an all-night open-air live rock club in the middle of some residential neighborhood either, so the imaginary all-night open-air live rock club needs to find an accommodating community or zoning. Just like nutty bigot guy, subject of TFA. He needs to find the appropriate community that allows his rules, if that's Belize and not the US, well, he's free to move there.


Sounds like he's already found it assuming he's got customers. This is Oklahoma we're talking about. Everyone can vote with their wallet. It's the most powerful language there is to a business. Don't go there an the business will go away.
 
Ant
2014-02-07 04:53:17 PM  

ssbob: I think it is funny how all the self-proclaimed tolerant folks here are so intolerant of someone who they disagree with.


Swanji: You're not upset about discrimination based on race or gender, as long as the right people (in your opinion) are discriminated against.


I will quote someone from upthread who said it very well:

jso2897: There is no point in pretending that hating evil, harmful people is analogous to hating people because of the color of their skin, or their handicapped status. I think it's odd, and suspicious, that someone would attempt to pretend that.
 
2014-02-07 04:54:23 PM  

QU!RK1019: Dancin_In_Anson: Well, I for one do want to go where I am not welcome.

Your presence here proves otherwise.


ohsnapflowchart.bmp
 
2014-02-07 04:54:35 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Dancin_In_Anson: QU!RK1019: Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.

I guess it's safe to assume that you have no answer for this question. Hell even DRO answered...it was an infantile answer but at least it was an answer.


I just put the same amout of effort into the answer that you put into the question.


DIA just called you "Infantile". I hope you're wearing your irony-proof underwear.
 
2014-02-07 04:54:58 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: QU!RK1019: Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.

I guess it's safe to assume that you have no answer for this question. Hell even DRO answered...it was an infantile answer but at least it was an answer.


An answer?  To "Who wrote the social contract?"  You might as well have asked "Who wrote the book of love?"
 
2014-02-07 04:54:59 PM  

QU!RK1019: Your presence here proves otherwise.


When the man that owns the place tells me I'm not welcome then you might be on to something.

Bloody William: The social contract is by definition not a legal contract


And yet you want to bind people to it with laws.
 
2014-02-07 04:55:07 PM  

FlashHarry: ten bucks says this guy jerks himself to sleep every night thinking of terry crews in a thong.


Who doesn't?
 
2014-02-07 04:55:44 PM  

suburbanguy: MBooda:

South, West, what the fark do you guys care?  Anything south or west of the Christie end of the GW Bridge is Banjo Country as far as you're concerned.  Admit it.

Um, you just put me (NE OH) in there, so...no.


I got news for you.  Those folks about seventy, eighty miles away from you, in New York?  They think you play the banjo, have twelve toes and voted for Kasich.
 
2014-02-07 04:56:18 PM  

Diogenes: From the linked article:

Gard said, "He doesn't like certain people of race, color, ethnicity."

Gard was a regular at Gary's Chicaros restaurant for years.

He said he turned a blind eye to the owner's choice of customers, until recently.

Gard said, "Now, he tried to find a weak excuse not to let me in with my wheelchair or the weak excuse of having loud people with me."

So, sorry for your disability.  But you're kind of an asshole, too.


"First, Gary's Chicaros restaurant discriminated against the gays, and I did not speak out--because I was not gay;
Then Gary's Chicaros restaurant discriminated against the blacks, and I did not speak out--because I was not black;
Then Gary's Chicaros restaurant discriminated against the welfare recipients, and I did not speak out--because I was not a welfare recipient;


.....Then Gary's Chicaros restaurant discriminated against me for being a disabled person--and there was no one left to speak out for me."
 
2014-02-07 04:56:41 PM  

QU!RK1019: Dancin_In_Anson: QU!RK1019: Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.

I guess it's safe to assume that you have no answer for this question. Hell even DRO answered...it was an infantile answer but at least it was an answer.

An answer?  To "Who wrote the social contract?"  You might as well have asked "Who wrote the book of love?"



Barry White. I'm pretty sure it was Barry White.
 
2014-02-07 04:56:42 PM  

Bloody William: Rapmaster2000: Who got to decide that!?  I don't remember being asked what I think.

Congress in 1964 after seeing that there was a pretty huge trend of people with dark-colored skin not being served and often being met with outright violence at such accommodations.

Dancin_In_Anson: QU!RK1019: Blustery and obtuse is no way to go through life, son.

I guess it's safe to assume that you have no answer for this question. Hell even DRO answered...it was an infantile answer but at least it was an answer.

It was an infantile question. The social contract is by definition not a legal contract but the assumed balance of responsibilities and benefits any individual within a larger society accepts by remaining an actor within that society. If you have neighbors, if you use roads, if you in any way interact with the outside world and the people within it, you are part of the social contract. To not be part of it, you would have to divorce yourself from any and all use of resources shared or distributed by society in any form.


And it is actually a feature of law, since courts materially rule on the balance between individual rights and society's collective interests every day.
 
2014-02-07 04:57:02 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Bloody William: The social contract is by definition not a legal contract


And yet you want to bind people to it with laws.


Again, no.

There are certain aspects of the social contract that work well as the behavior of society- de facto. There are other aspects that require the interjection of law- de jure. As the Woolworth's counter sit-in and the events leading up to it and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 show, the latter is needed in regards to ensuring businesses treat people equally barring specific, legitimate reasons to refuse service.
 
2014-02-07 04:57:08 PM  

QU!RK1019: An answer? To "Who wrote the social contract?" You might as well have asked "Who wrote the book of love?"


So it's more of an arbitrary set of rules conceived on feelings and enforced by law.
 
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