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2014-02-07 03:24:33 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Is your house in order?

Nope.

HotWingConspiracy: Why do you want to mess with this person?

Where did you get that impression?


You were exploring opportunities to ruin his business. Somehow you've determined if there's a buck in it it's ok.

What you people fail to grasp is that I don't advocate his beliefs but I do advocate his freedom to have them.

He's free to believe that, he's not free to run his business in that way. The reasons why are obvious to people that don't fetishize some bizarre notion of freedom that actually works against free people. You lost that battle decades ago.

 He's not worth my time, effort or money. Or yours but you're more than willing to spend all 3 on him.

You're putting up time and effort defending-but-no-I'm-totally-not-defending him.
 
2014-02-07 03:24:35 PM

Swanji: Lamberts Ho Man: Swanji: LarryDan43: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

Why would you want to drink at the whites only fountain? Its the same water supply!

This is a far, far cry from segregated water fountains, but go ahead and hyperbole it up there, tiger.

It's exactly like segregated water fountains, bathrooms, pools and restaurants from the pre-civil rights south.  How is it not?

It's not, because this is one farking restaurant.  There are no segregated water fountains, bathrooms, or pools.  In fact, there aren't even any segregated restaurants, just this one guy being a piece of shiat.  So no, nowhere even close.  Put a different way, actual segregation was EVERYWHERE.  Every business and government service in every city, town, and hamlet was segregated.  Again, this is one asshole.  One restaurant, not segregation.  So, come up with a more pertinent argument.


I see, so if one business puts up a segregated water fountain its okay because its just one.
 
2014-02-07 03:24:50 PM
the power of fark should shiat that place up...  will have to make a stop if i am in the area...and drop off a package, and by package i mean shiat wallpaper.
 
2014-02-07 03:25:01 PM

trappedspirit: James!: Gosh, Oklahoma must be a nice place to never visit ever.

You're going to answer his challenge with prejudiced discrimination against a whole state?

/like a boss


Yeah.  Life's not fair.  Douchebags reflect poorly on their community.
 
2014-02-07 03:25:09 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: That's his problem. Not mine.

Or yours.


Oh bullshiat.  When you see injustice, big or small, whether you're directly affected or not, you do something about it.
 
2014-02-07 03:25:27 PM

FlashHarry: ten bucks says this guy jerks himself to sleep every night thinking of terry crews in a thong.


Doesn't everybody?
 
2014-02-07 03:25:45 PM

sovietski: It makes me wonder how well his restaurant and views would go over in Tulsa.


Guessing on how well Westboro Baptist's picket of the Electric Circus went on New Year's Eve, I'd say this guy's odds of staying in business longer than a free cellphone truck is somewhere between slim and none.
 
2014-02-07 03:26:11 PM
Swanji:

Daniel Snyder: Oh for fark's sake.  "Redskins" in that context has nothing to do with the Native Americans.  That may be its origin, but in today's vernacular, it no longer refers to a Native American.  Stop your whining.


Apples and oranges.


How so?
 
2014-02-07 03:26:18 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Is your house in order?

Nope.

HotWingConspiracy: Why do you want to mess with this person?

Where did you get that impression?

Bloody William: That. That is why. And where was that? In the small fish city of Greensboro, North Carolina.

And now no one anywhere excludes anyone from their establishment any more....except this guy in Enid Oklahoma. He's the last one and he needs to be made an example of right?

What you people fail to grasp is that I don't advocate his beliefs but I do advocate his freedom to have them.


You also advocate his "right" to exercise them in the conduct of running a public accomodation. the law disagrees with you, and if anyone chooses to invoke it, he will lose.
Yes, we know what you think - which is why we (mainstream society) are moving on, and leaving you behind.
With all the dwindling few others who think the same way.
 
2014-02-07 03:26:36 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: And now no one anywhere excludes anyone from their establishment any more....except this guy in Enid Oklahoma. He's the last one and he needs to be made an example of right?

What you people fail to grasp is that I don't advocate his beliefs but I do advocate his freedom to have them. He's not worth my time, effort or money. Or yours but you're more than willing to spend all 3 on him.


The last one? No. But among the last, and we can no longer turn a blind eye to bigotry in Oklahoma in 2014 than we did in North Carolina in 1960 and across the country in 1964.

What you fail to grasp is that "his freedom to have those beliefs" is a great ideal as an isolated concept, but centuries of bigotry and discrimination have shown that when having those beliefs means you express them when dealing with other people the result is a detriment to society and humanity, and inevitably a stain on our conscience that I am sickened to see is so easily faded and forgotten.

Speech is protected. Beliefs are protected. Be as much of a bigot as you want in your words and thoughts. But when that moves from speech to engaging in commerce with other Americans, there need to be some guidelines. The history of this country is proof of that.
 
2014-02-07 03:26:39 PM

Felgraf: So I take it you agree with Paul that the Civil Right's act is unfair and tyranny, and that discrimination based on race or gender should be allowed by businesses, yes?


"unfair" Meh. Life's unfair. "tyranny" no. Discrimination based on race or gender by private individuals? Sure. It happens all the time and is not exclusive to white males.. You  think that because someone MUST do business with you that he or she doesn't think in a particular fashion. If someone doesn't want my business or the business of those that I associate with, I'd prefer to know it upfront so that I don't unwittingly patronize their business.

Look at it like this. If this man is forced to serve anyone and everyone who comes in his place and he does so, will you patronize the establishment?
 
2014-02-07 03:27:30 PM

HotWingConspiracy: He's free to believe that, he's not free to run his business in that way.


I am wondering if his business is grandfathered in from the laws you cited earlier.
 
2014-02-07 03:28:51 PM

KidneyStone: Don't like him?  Don't go to his restaurant.  Simple.  Done.

Or blow outrage all over web forums because that's actually doing something about this.  May as well pray.


Speaking out against injustice is no small act.  Even if it is to those who feel the same way, it reinforces the sense of equality.  For those who may be on the fence, reading the comments of those who don't abide by evil helps to show them the light.  I won't tacitly condone intolerance.
 
2014-02-07 03:28:57 PM
So the t-shirt says that the patrons are near?
 
2014-02-07 03:30:10 PM

scottydoesntknow: Mattyb710: Public places, and transportation and other places like that should serve anyone and everyone, including 100% handicap access.

Ummm, his restaurant IS a public place.

He could probably fix it if he turned it into a private club, but right now it's open to the public, it's a public place. You can't say "Open to the white public with jobs". It's either public or private.


Unless his business is receiving money from the government or is partly owned by the county or something it is a privately owned place. I feel if something is privately owned then the owner should be able to decide how to run it.

Bane of Broone: No.


And how are you going to stop them? Make it against the law to not love everyone the same? Put them in prison or camps?
 
2014-02-07 03:30:41 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Felgraf: So I take it you agree with Paul that the Civil Right's act is unfair and tyranny, and that discrimination based on race or gender should be allowed by businesses, yes?

"unfair" Meh. Life's unfair. "tyranny" no. Discrimination based on race or gender by private individuals? Sure. It happens all the time and is not exclusive to white males.. You  think that because someone MUST do business with you that he or she doesn't think in a particular fashion. If someone doesn't want my business or the business of those that I associate with, I'd prefer to know it upfront so that I don't unwittingly patronize their business.

Look at it like this. If this man is forced to serve anyone and everyone who comes in his place and he does so, will you patronize the establishment?


Once again, I must farking repeat myself.

Bloody William: A problem with someone as an individual for their opinions or behavior is different than a problem with someone as an assumed characteristic of their identity. If someone has a problem with me being the sum of my actions and statements, that's a personal matter. If someone has a problem with me because of the color of my skin, the ethnicity of my parents, or the usability of my legs, that's a bigger problem. Specifically, it's a bigger problem that, if you'd acknowledge the Woolworth's counter photos in this thread, was only solved when legislation was passed to protect those designated "someones."


In fact, I'm repeating what I said... to you, that you ignored and continue to ignore for the sake of your bullshiat argument that preventing discrimination based on certain groups is the same as preventing any discretion on accepting customers on the part of a business.
 
2014-02-07 03:30:42 PM

HotWingConspiracy: You were exploring opportunities to ruin his business


No, I was exploring ways to serve those he won't. Go back and read the post again.

HotWingConspiracy: You're putting up time and effort defending-but-no-I'm-totally-not-defending him.


I'm defending his right to be an asshole. Whatever happened to "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." ?

Bloody William: The last one? No.


More especially the last one.
 
2014-02-07 03:30:43 PM

LarryDan43: Swanji: Lamberts Ho Man: Swanji: LarryDan43: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

Why would you want to drink at the whites only fountain? Its the same water supply!

This is a far, far cry from segregated water fountains, but go ahead and hyperbole it up there, tiger.

It's exactly like segregated water fountains, bathrooms, pools and restaurants from the pre-civil rights south.  How is it not?

It's not, because this is one farking restaurant.  There are no segregated water fountains, bathrooms, or pools.  In fact, there aren't even any segregated restaurants, just this one guy being a piece of shiat.  So no, nowhere even close.  Put a different way, actual segregation was EVERYWHERE.  Every business and government service in every city, town, and hamlet was segregated.  Again, this is one asshole.  One restaurant, not segregation.  So, come up with a more pertinent argument.

I see, so if one business puts up a segregated water fountain its okay because its just one.


Nicely put.

And by permitting such things to happen - it will not inspire like minded bigots. It will forever be that one.
 
2014-02-07 03:31:34 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: What you people fail to grasp is that I don't advocate his beliefs but I do advocate his freedom to have them. He's not worth my time, effort or money. Or yours but you're more than willing to spend all 3 on him.


I personally feel it's worth lots of my time and money, and the government's money, to fight discriminatory practices based on ignorance. Seems to me working for continual improvement on all levels is an important thing for people, governments and countries alike. Social justice is just a part of that. If we ignore such fools, we're implicitly suggesting such behavior is a-ok. And it's not. Although, one could argue that a perhaps more effective solution would to be think long term and more broadly  - education and acceptance programs rather than legal actions or public shaming - but such things would come with a bevy of political baggage of their own.
 
2014-02-07 03:31:49 PM

coeyagi: FTFV in TFA:

img.fark.net


Corrupt LEOs.

/So that would be between 10% and 90% of them.  I wonder how he tells them apart.
 
2014-02-07 03:32:07 PM
Oh, it gets better. He ran for a local office five years ago.

http://www.news9.com/story/9764682/enid-business-owner-catches-heat- fo r-discrimination


And, best of all he actually used the "I'm not racist, but" defence.


James said he isn't homophobic or racist. He just refuses to allow anyone who makes him or his customers uneasy inside his business.


What an abject tosser.
 
2014-02-07 03:32:12 PM

thehobbes: sovietski: It makes me wonder how well his restaurant and views would go over in Tulsa.

West of I-35 means no one cares about it. 

The only things of value west of I-35 is the natural gas rigs... and Fort Sill.

The US Army realizes the only thing good about western is you can lob artillery shells all over it and no one cares.


I lol'd.

I am also ok with this location being the site of the Oklahoma FARK party. I can bring my friend, who's gay, and his brother, who walks with cane (car accident) and has long hair!!

I could dress like a "freak" and wear my cubicle mate's College Democrats button on my shirt.

/let's make this happen
 
2014-02-07 03:32:28 PM

Mattyb710: scottydoesntknow: Mattyb710: Public places, and transportation and other places like that should serve anyone and everyone, including 100% handicap access.

Ummm, his restaurant IS a public place.

He could probably fix it if he turned it into a private club, but right now it's open to the public, it's a public place. You can't say "Open to the white public with jobs". It's either public or private.

Unless his business is receiving money from the government or is partly owned by the county or something it is a privately owned place. I feel if something is privately owned then the owner should be able to decide how to run it.

Bane of Broone: No.

And how are you going to stop them? Make it against the law to not love everyone the same? Put them in prison or camps?


The law disagrees with you.
 
2014-02-07 03:32:38 PM

OKObserver: And this guy is considered a liberal here.


Really?  Seems like when I registered to vote as Socialist at the Sapulpa Tag Agency, they said, "Wow, we've been seeing a lot of that lately."
 
2014-02-07 03:33:32 PM
Look at the bright side:  Every business within ten miles has a really easy way to silently toss out job applicants just by asking them what they think of the place.
 
2014-02-07 03:33:36 PM

QU!RK1019: KidneyStone: Don't like him?  Don't go to his restaurant.  Simple.  Done.

Or blow outrage all over web forums because that's actually doing something about this.  May as well pray.

Speaking out against injustice is no small act.  Even if it is to those who feel the same way, it reinforces the sense of equality.  For those who may be on the fence, reading the comments of those who don't abide by evil helps to show them the light.  I won't tacitly condone intolerance.


Speaking out against this guy is exactly the right thing to do. Protest outside his building. Publish pictures of everyone who comes out of his restaurant in the newspaper and label them as supporting a bigot.
Shame the people who eat there so much they stop eating there and he goes out of business.

What I don't agree with is having a law that forces someone to do something with their privately owned business that they don't want to.
 
2014-02-07 03:33:50 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: I'm defending his right to be an asshole. Whatever happened to "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." ?


It's right up there with "Look, this is a free country and it's totally fine if you talk about how much you hate black people, but if you run a business you need to serve them just like you'd serve anyone else. If you want to make money here by offering a public accommodation, it better actually be public so your shiatty ideas, while protected, won't come back as the disgusting systematic discrimination of people based solely on the color of their skin that we saw half a century ago."
 
2014-02-07 03:33:59 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Zeppelininthesky: Why even have the law in the first place?

Good question.


The laws are in place for a reason. Idiots like this are the very reason the laws were made. I hope this guy gets sued until his business goes away. Maybe the national attention will start the ball rolling.
 
2014-02-07 03:34:03 PM

Magnanimous_J: jso2897: Magnanimous_J: The lesson from all of this is: You can be the most hateful person on the planet, just make sure you hate the right people.

The "right people" being pretty much limited to people who are evil, and do evil things.
There is no point in pretending that hating evil, harmful people is analogous to hating people because of the color of their skin, or their handicapped status. I think it's odd, and suspicious, that someone would attempt to pretend that.

Don't get me wrong, I think this guys is a capital asshole. But don't fool yourself into thinking that "evil" is anything more than a relative cultural construct. Civilizations have had some common ideas of what makes evil, but that doesn't make it universal, or based in anything other than everyone's mutual agreement.

50 years ago (and some places today, apparently) being gay or a socialist was seen as deliberately undermining society. It was legitimately "evil" to people then, so by your definition, it would be justified to actively hate them.

A couple thousand years ago, if you were in an army and conquered a town, you helping yourself to a couple women there would be seen as no more evil than taking a jolly rancher out of the big candy bowl at the doctor's office. Today, it's a heinous war crime.

My point being, think the way you think and do what you think is right, but it's all a matter of point of view. You probably don't think abortion is murder (and neither do I), but the red-faced people shrieking their lungs out at girls going into the clinic are just as justified in their hate as you are, by your own definition.


You are quite right, in the abstract - but we don't live in the panorama of history - we live now, and we do what most men do - attempt to move society forward incrementally. A hundred and fifty years ago, we had to fight a war to establish that men are not property.
70 years ago, people marched and demonstrated and were arrested and beaten and firehosed and bit by police dogs and murdered on dark country roads to establish, among other things, that people can't do what he is doing.
A hundred years from now, we will be struggling to advance mankind beyond some other stupidity.
There IS a right side and a wrong one - a good one and a bad one.
I, by the way, feel no hate for anyone - I have not been victimized, and have had an easy, pleasant, spoiled, white boy's life. I've got no business hating anybody. But I do know an asshole when I see one, and I would prefer, all things considered, to see assholes lose every fight they get in.
 
2014-02-07 03:34:27 PM

Baloo Uriza: sovietski: It makes me wonder how well his restaurant and views would go over in Tulsa.

Guessing on how well Westboro Baptist's picket of the Electric Circus went on New Year's Eve, I'd say this guy's odds of staying in business longer than a free cellphone truck is somewhere between slim and none.


Lolwut? How did I miss this?

/to the Google
 
2014-02-07 03:34:35 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: That's his problem. Not mine.

Or yours.


I have yet to see you post anything worth reading. Please shut up.

Also, for the sake of the gene pool, please stop reproducing. Two is more than enough of your contamination.
 
2014-02-07 03:35:40 PM

SansNeural: Wait a minute, Enid is a progressive city?  When did that happen?


I initially missed the Enid part and assumed OKC given that it was KFOR reporting, also forgetting that KFOR is the second-rate regional station in roughly the same huge-ass area that News9 handles.
 
2014-02-07 03:36:02 PM

Bontesla: LarryDan43: Swanji: Lamberts Ho Man: Swanji: LarryDan43: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole?  Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway?  Seems like people are missing the point.  If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist?  Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass?  The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

Why would you want to drink at the whites only fountain? Its the same water supply!

This is a far, far cry from segregated water fountains, but go ahead and hyperbole it up there, tiger.

It's exactly like segregated water fountains, bathrooms, pools and restaurants from the pre-civil rights south.  How is it not?

It's not, because this is one farking restaurant.  There are no segregated water fountains, bathrooms, or pools.  In fact, there aren't even any segregated restaurants, just this one guy being a piece of shiat.  So no, nowhere even close.  Put a different way, actual segregation was EVERYWHERE.  Every business and government service in every city, town, and hamlet was segregated.  Again, this is one asshole.  One restaurant, not segregation.  So, come up with a more pertinent argument.

I see, so if one business puts up a segregated water fountain its okay because its just one.

Nicely put.

And by permitting such things to happen - it will not inspire like minded bigots. It will forever be that one.


Like minded bigots don't need inspiration, and as long as they are not actually hurting anyone, they are free to do as they please.  At least in this country.  Why do you think the KKK still exists?
 
2014-02-07 03:36:03 PM

Mattyb710: What I don't agree with is having a law that forces someone to do something with their privately owned business that they don't want to.


Civil Rights Act of 1964. This isn't a new law. This isn't a new concept. This isn't being butthurt about someone's wacky opinion. This is preventing the systematic discrimination of people based on matters beyond their control become the norm again.
 
2014-02-07 03:36:11 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Felgraf: So I take it you agree with Paul that the Civil Right's act is unfair and tyranny, and that discrimination based on race or gender should be allowed by businesses, yes?

"unfair" Meh. Life's unfair. "tyranny" no. Discrimination based on race or gender by private individuals? Sure. It happens all the time and is not exclusive to white males.. You  think that because someone MUST do business with you that he or she doesn't think in a particular fashion. If someone doesn't want my business or the business of those that I associate with, I'd prefer to know it upfront so that I don't unwittingly patronize their business.

Look at it like this. If this man is forced to serve anyone and everyone who comes in his place and he does so, will you patronize the establishment?


He will not be forced to do that. He will only be forced to serve those he has no reasonable, lawful cause to refuse.
Drunks, deadbeats, undesirables? he will never have to serve them. Let's not lie .
 
2014-02-07 03:36:21 PM

QU!RK1019: KidneyStone: Don't like him?  Don't go to his restaurant.  Simple.  Done.

Or blow outrage all over web forums because that's actually doing something about this.  May as well pray.

Speaking out against injustice is no small act.


On Fark? Haha.

Even if it is to those who feel the same way, it reinforces the sense of equality.

Funny, I'd call that an "echo chamber".

 For those who may be on the fence, reading the comments of those who don't abide by evil helps to show them the light.

Let's get something straight: this man might have repugnant views, but in no way does that render him "evil". Your label is immoral and un-American.

I won't tacitly condone intolerance.

Here, put this big red S on for me, so we can all identify you properly as you leap over buildings in a single bound.
 
2014-02-07 03:36:27 PM
Gary's Chicaros restaurant

What's up with a True Christian White American Freedom English Jesus Fetus Guns Patriot® using an Hispanic word in his diner's name?
 
2014-02-07 03:37:09 PM

Swanji: Like minded bigots don't need inspiration, and as long as they are not actually hurting anyone, they are free to do as they please.  At least in this country.  Why do you think the KKK still exists?


Because speech is free and protected, but if you want to run a business as a public accommodation, you have to follow some rules.
 
2014-02-07 03:37:25 PM

Mattyb710: scottydoesntknow: Mattyb710: Public places, and transportation and other places like that should serve anyone and everyone, including 100% handicap access.

Ummm, his restaurant IS a public place.

He could probably fix it if he turned it into a private club, but right now it's open to the public, it's a public place. You can't say "Open to the white public with jobs". It's either public or private.

Unless his business is receiving money from the government or is partly owned by the county or something it is a privately owned place. I feel if something is privately owned then the owner should be able to decide how to run it.


No, it isn't. You really need to brush up on the difference between private and public. A privately owned business that is open to the public is subject to anti-discrimination laws. Simple as that. What you think, and what the law says, are two entirely different things here.

Privately-owned/operated businesses and buildings. Privately-owned businesses and facilities that offer certain goods or services to the public -- including food, lodging, gasoline, and entertainment -- are considered public accommodations for purposes of federal and state anti-discrimination laws. For purposes of disability discrimination, the definition of a "public accommodation" is even more broad, encompassing most businesses that are open to the public (regardless of type).
 
2014-02-07 03:37:38 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Baloo Uriza: DROxINxTHExWIND: He's in shiatkick, OK. He's not going to have many interactions with any of the people who he has "banned" from his resturant.

412's the fastest route to Denver from Tulsa, and that goes right through Enid.

Denver's not exactly Harlem. Its like 90% white and 5% black. NTTAWWT. Just sayin.


No, it's not.  But it's adjacent to ski areas and they also have hockey, weed, gridiron and lager.  So save for the rather whitebred nature of Denver, it's got all the creature comforts of Tulsa and then some.
 
2014-02-07 03:37:46 PM

Lamberts Ho Man: Virtuoso80: Meh, if a restaurant want's to deliberately limit it's customer base, I say let them. Maybe we need laws for special circumstances (Ex. You have to let someone use your phone in case of an emergency), but otherwise I'm OK with racist business owners running racist businesses, just don't expect me to use their services.

Absolutely - some people just need to learn their place, amiright?
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there's definitely some people on the far-right who would like those days to return, IMHO....

/ far too many worms in the GOP encourage people like them as well....
 
2014-02-07 03:37:49 PM

Bloody William: In fact, I'm repeating what I said... to you, that you ignored and continue to ignore for the sake of your bullshiat argument that preventing discrimination based on certain groups is the same as preventing any discretion on accepting customers on the part of a business.


So great. Now blacks can eat at the lunch counter at Woolworths. Why in Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora Duncan's name would they even want to at that point? Why would YOU? You have changed nothing about the people involved, you have not changed any minds or hearts. But now everyone can give Woolworth their money and Woolworth will begrudgingly take it. I think you and I have the same goal in mind just a different view of how to accomplish it.
 
2014-02-07 03:38:15 PM

jso2897: sendtodave: jso2897: Magnanimous_J: The lesson from all of this is: You can be the most hateful person on the planet, just make sure you hate the right people.

The "right people" being pretty much limited to people who are evil, and do evil things.
There is no point in pretending that hating evil, harmful people is analogous to hating people because of the color of their skin, or their handicapped status. I think it's odd, and suspicious, that someone would attempt to pretend that.

"Evil..?"

Seriously?

Well, I guess if you are gonna be moralistic, you shouldn't half ass it.  I'm just not sure you are qualified to judge "good" or "evil" any more than that racist is.

Unless you think you are more advanced than he is.

That good ole American liberal hubris.  The rest of the world just needs to catch up to your way of thinking.

What are you even talking about? Nobody is discriminating against this guy, and nobody is going to. Somebody may sue him, or boycott him, or publicly humiliate him - but that's not discrimination. I know you are trying to make some sort of stretched argumant from equivalence - but it just isn't there. And name-calling and blathering about "liberals" just makes you look stupid. If you can't really argue an issue, you won't fool anyone by pretending to.


Iunno, seems a couple people think I have an actual argument, other than general nipple tweaking.
 
2014-02-07 03:38:32 PM

Baloo Uriza: I'm also guessing most people stay the fark away from him and mentally thank him for wearing a warning sign.


He's been in business for 44 years, so you are probably incorrect.
 
2014-02-07 03:38:46 PM

gja: I guess since I'm a 'big city wop-greaseball-dago' my welcome was worn out retroactively?


Well, let me tell you something, my kraut-mick friend........
 
2014-02-07 03:39:29 PM

Bloody William: Mattyb710: What I don't agree with is having a law that forces someone to do something with their privately owned business that they don't want to.

Civil Rights Act of 1964. This isn't a new law. This isn't a new concept. This isn't being butthurt about someone's wacky opinion. This is preventing the systematic discrimination of people based on matters beyond their control become the norm again.


Yes, but Matty "feels" otherwise. Why can't you be a real liberal and be open-minded enough to support him in his efforts promote racism?
 
2014-02-07 03:39:30 PM

jso2897: He will only be forced to serve those he has no reasonable, lawful cause to refuse.


WHY THE FARK WOULD YOU WANT TO BE SERVED BY THIS ASSHOLE?
 
2014-02-07 03:39:49 PM
Sounds like a typical conservative to me.
 
2014-02-07 03:39:54 PM

Mattyb710: scottydoesntknow: Mattyb710: Public places, and transportation and other places like that should serve anyone and everyone, including 100% handicap access.

Ummm, his restaurant IS a public place.

He could probably fix it if he turned it into a private club, but right now it's open to the public, it's a public place. You can't say "Open to the white public with jobs". It's either public or private.

Unless his business is receiving money from the government or is partly owned by the county or something it is a privately owned place. I feel if something is privately owned then the owner should be able to decide how to run it.

Bane of Broone: No.

And how are you going to stop them? Make it against the law to not love everyone the same? Put them in prison or camps?


Their business license is granted by the community and can be revoked by the same.
 
2014-02-07 03:40:13 PM

Zeppelininthesky: Dancin_In_Anson: Zeppelininthesky: Why even have the law in the first place?

Good question.

The laws are in place for a reason. Idiots like this are the very reason the laws were made. I hope this guy gets sued until his business goes away. Maybe the national attention will start the ball rolling.


What I see DIA saying is that he wants to go back to a time where "public" facilities could discriminate.   Because, as many have said here, he can discriminate if he wants... become a private club.   Augusta Country Club still discriminates in who it allows "in".... so, this guy just needs to create $1 "memberships" to his "Club restaurant", and he can be a dictator.   But, if you are a public business, serving the public, you cannot discriminate... case closed.

Honestly, the bar is not set that high to discriminate... but, people want to have their "Open door to the public" cake and eat the "but I want to be able to not serve anyone I want" too.
 
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