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(CNN)   Joe Biden compares New York's LaGuardia Airport to a Third-World country. He's not wrong, of course, but what does that make Logan Airport? The First Circle of Hell?   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 71
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2014-02-07 08:11:31 AM
You've never been to ATL
 
2014-02-07 08:16:50 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You've never been to ATL


I do despise ATL, but that's mainly because of Delta's constant presence. Logan, though, really is a special kind of focused anarchy. I particularly enjoy the times that one has to leave security after landing, find another building, and then pass through security again to make a connection. Fun times.
 
2014-02-07 09:02:05 AM
Have they ever managed to get rid of all the Hare Krishna beggars from the Miami airport?
 
2014-02-07 09:25:15 AM
Logan's godawful for domestic flights but their international terminal's pretty decent.
 
2014-02-07 09:26:13 AM
No, hell is switching from the inter-island terminal to an overseas terminal in Honolulu.
 
2014-02-07 09:37:28 AM
Love that his comments were made during one of his many promotions for Amtrak, which is a shiatshow of epic proportions in its own right.

Hey Joe, how about instead of wasting all that money on yet another (inevitable) failed campaign for the presidency, you take that money and throw it at improving public transportation? Better yet: helping out the trainwreck that is Newark, DE?
 
2014-02-07 09:39:07 AM
Welcome to Philadelphia.  It's only a 3 mile walk to the rental car pickup.  Try not to follow the signs.  They will not help you.
 
2014-02-07 09:39:34 AM
8 years ago I was in Maui, and they gave us the opportunity to take the earlier puddle-jumper for a layover in Honolulu. Figuring it would eliminate the possibility of us missing our Honolulu flight to San Fran, we went. There was a 10-hour layover; we had a red-eye flight that left like 11pm Hawaii time. Now, Maui introduced me to mai tais, and there was a bar just across from our terminal... they served those lovely mai tais in very tall glasses. About three of those later I was feeling pleasantly sloshed, and I found that I couldn't solve any more of the crossword puzzle that I was working. Needless to say the return flight involved me sleeping until about 30 minutes outside San Fran.

/hate flying over water
//mmmm mai tais
 
2014-02-07 09:42:14 AM
You've never been to satanic Indian burial grounds Denver
 
2014-02-07 09:42:34 AM
I've been to LaGuardia, it's a short drive from here. It's a freakin hell hole.
 
2014-02-07 09:42:59 AM
I pay extra just to avoid LaGuardia.

/fark that airport.
 
2014-02-07 09:43:18 AM
LaGuardia feels like a small Midwest airport.  Akron/Canton feels bigger.
 
2014-02-07 09:45:47 AM
EAST BOSTON IS NOT A CIRCLE OF HELL
 
2014-02-07 09:47:46 AM
No, Hell is still having to use the "Mobile Lounges" at Dulles Airport for some gates.

"Look at me, I'm rolling down the taxiway. Hey plane, GTFO my way. Haters gonna hate"
www.cardinalpeak.com
 
2014-02-07 09:48:28 AM
I had to fly from Boston to Newark weekly for a year and a half for work.  Hell #1, meet Hell #2, and vice versa.  I live in ATL now and what boggles my mind is you have the busiest airport in the world, and while you have the tram, no moving sidewalks in the terminals.  If my gate is all the way to the end I feel like I should have brought some of my hockey gear with me to run the gauntlet.
 
2014-02-07 09:50:21 AM

Pocket Ninja: The Stealth Hippopotamus: You've never been to ATL

I do despise ATL, but that's mainly because of Delta's constant presence. Logan, though, really is a special kind of focused anarchy. I particularly enjoy the times that one has to leave security after landing, find another building, and then pass through security again to make a connection. Fun times.


Yeah, ages ago I (briefly) worked for a livery service that did a lot of Logan work, so I got to know the place inside and out, to the point where friends and family will go out of their way to have me drive them if they're flying into / out of Boston. Even with hours and hours logged driving through there, I STILL think the planners of that place were out of their ever loving minds. And truestory: 3 months before 9/11, I flew out of Logan with a 25' spool of CAT5, my Leatherman and all my network tools, and not once, not ONCE was I even remotely questioned by security. Flying back, out of Baltimore, I wound up with a circle of very, very intense looking men with hands on their weapons. When I told them I'd flown out of Boston with all that stuff they flat out didn't believe me.

Now? yeeeesh.... And the place is just slow, mismanaged and completely insane, but driving through and picking up (while navigating all the signs) is absurdity.
 
2014-02-07 09:51:47 AM
Isn't the first circle of hell an "almost paradise" just outside heaven where the unbaptized greats of the past (like Cicero and Aristotle) hang out? I guess I'm flying out of Logan from now on ...
 
2014-02-07 09:52:44 AM

Pocket Ninja: The Stealth Hippopotamus: You've never been to ATL

I do despise ATL, but that's mainly because of Delta's constant presence. Logan, though, really is a special kind of focused anarchy. I particularly enjoy the times that one has to leave security after landing, find another building, and then pass through security again to make a connection. Fun times.


I've only ever flown through ATL, and even then only on international flights, so I don't have any experience with driving, parking, check-in, security, etc. there.  But insofar as I have experienced ATL, I actually think it's pretty good as airports go.  Yes, it's huge, but it's at least laid out logically and you can get from terminal to terminal quickly, and customs seemed reasonably organized the last few times I was there.  About the exact opposite my experience flying into New York - going through customs and changing terminals in JFK is about as fun as having a tattoo removed with a belt sander.

I'd probably have to say that MSP is my preferred airport to fly through when I'm going to the States, because while the terminals are very wpread out, their customs and passport control is the only one in the US I've yet experienced that seemed worthy of a first-world nation.  I understand DTW isn't bad, but I've not yet had reason to fly through Detroit.
 
2014-02-07 09:54:06 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You've never been to ATL


I think people hate ATL because it's big and because they're forced to go through there.  It's pretty functional from a hub standpoint.  Charlotte, O'Hare, and Minneapolis all do a much worse job at the same thing.

Does anyone remember when Cincinnati was a hub?  "Get on this bus.  We'll take you to a warehouse where you can wait for your plane.  Thank you for flying Delta."
 
2014-02-07 09:55:22 AM
Compared to EWR and JFK, yes, LGA is a decrept little dump of an airport.  But I've been in plenty of regional airports that wish they could have the style and amenities of LaGuardia.
 
2014-02-07 09:58:36 AM
I flew out of (and back to) LGA a few weeks ago.  It was my first flight in many years (at least 13) and I thought the "new" Delta terminal was rather nice.  They have iPads at bar stool-type seating with free internet access and delivered drinks to our table.  That may be standard these days, but I was pretty impressed at the changes since the last time I had flown.
 
2014-02-07 10:05:01 AM

Pocket Ninja: then pass through security again to make a connection. Fun times.


I fly out of Atl alot, but I only fly Delta and I wasn't aware that you had to go through security to get from North to South buildings.  That would be a major pain.  They designed the new international terminal with no transportation between the E and F buildings for arrivals, so it is a 20 minute walk to get to security and luggage if you are unlucky to land at the E gates.
 
2014-02-07 10:08:37 AM

poot_rootbeer: Compared to EWR and JFK, yes, LGA is a decrept little dump of an airport.  But I've been in plenty of regional airports that wish they could have the style and amenities of LaGuardia.


What he said, And having just moved to Astoria in the last year, there is much to be said for having a major airport literally within walking distance should one choose to walk.

LGA definitely could use a sprucing up though.
 
2014-02-07 10:12:35 AM
I was flying out of LGA once and there was luggage piled about 8ft high in one corner of the terminal. Between that and people fighting over position in line I spent my layover imagining I was fleeing some third world country and we were all fighting to get on the last plane out.

Also, why the hell doesn't the subway or train connect to the damn airport?
 
2014-02-07 10:14:54 AM

Hilarity_N_Sues: poot_rootbeer: Compared to EWR and JFK, yes, LGA is a decrept little dump of an airport.  But I've been in plenty of regional airports that wish they could have the style and amenities of LaGuardia.

What he said, And having just moved to Astoria in the last year, there is much to be said for having a major airport literally within walking distance should one choose to walk.

LGA definitely could use a sprucing up though.



Welcome to the neighborhood!  We love it here!
 
2014-02-07 10:22:12 AM

oldernell: Pocket Ninja: then pass through security again to make a connection. Fun times.

I fly out of Atl alot, but I only fly Delta and I wasn't aware that you had to go through security to get from North to South buildings.  That would be a major pain.  They designed the new international terminal with no transportation between the E and F buildings for arrivals, so it is a 20 minute walk to get to security and luggage if you are unlucky to land at the E gates.


I think he was talking about Logan.  The North and South terminals are separated by about 50 yards.  The designation is only for where to park/dropoff to be closest to check-in.  All of the gates are shared by both terminals.
 
2014-02-07 10:28:35 AM
Not true. You can find cheap food in third world countries.
 
2014-02-07 10:34:29 AM
I love the underground "rave cave" at Detroit.
 
2014-02-07 10:36:08 AM

Walker: No, Hell is still having to use the "Mobile Lounges" at Dulles Airport for some gates.

"Look at me, I'm rolling down the taxiway. Hey plane, GTFO my way. Haters gonna hate"
[www.cardinalpeak.com image 500x365]


So true! Every time I am on one of those I think "This is the time we get hit." I love flying but I hate the airlines and airports. The only ones I have never had any problems at are the small commuter airports or private airstrips.
 
2014-02-07 10:37:19 AM
Haven't been there lately, but JFK used to be a special kind of Blade Runner depressing.  I was there on a rainy day, and water was pouring onto the floor everywhere from holes in the soaring, majestic Saarinen roof
 
2014-02-07 10:38:00 AM

Rapmaster2000: All of the gates are shared by both terminals.


That's what I thought, but you can never tell for sure here.
 
2014-02-07 10:44:51 AM
This man is going to run for President, and it's going to be awesome. I know he won't make it past the primaries, but at least once Joe needs to roll out in the "Presidential Corvette."
 
2014-02-07 10:45:37 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: I was flying out of LGA once and there was luggage piled about 8ft high in one corner of the terminal. Between that and people fighting over position in line I spent my layover imagining I was fleeing some third world country and we were all fighting to get on the last plane out.

Also, why the hell doesn't the subway or train connect to the damn airport?


Robert Moses, most likely.  The man had a true hate-boner for public transportation.
 
2014-02-07 10:59:46 AM
LGA is simply too small for handling New York traffic.  It's not that bad on its own, just overcrowded.  In the shuttle terminal (Delta, I think) down to D.C. there's some fantastic WPA art and design.
 
2014-02-07 11:04:40 AM

Robo Beat: To The Escape Zeppelin!: I was flying out of LGA once and there was luggage piled about 8ft high in one corner of the terminal. Between that and people fighting over position in line I spent my layover imagining I was fleeing some third world country and we were all fighting to get on the last plane out.

Also, why the hell doesn't the subway or train connect to the damn airport?

Robert Moses, most likely.  The man had a true hate-boner for public transportation.


I will agree that JFK's and LGA's relative inaccessibility by quick rail or subway service is scandalous to me.
 
2014-02-07 11:20:16 AM
Logan ain't beautiful or logical, but I have very low standards for airports. As long as there aren't donkeys on the runway, chickens in the passenger compartment, and the plane takes off on time, I'm okay.
 
2014-02-07 11:20:28 AM
Eh, never had any problems at Logan, other than getting through road construction at times.  I kind of like Atlanta, it's spread out, but the people movers are predictable, and everything is labeled/signed appropriately.  Maybe it's just familiarity and I've figured them out.

While I have travelers attention.  If you stand within a foot of the baggage carousel, you're a complete and total idiot tying up valuable space and blocking everyone's view for no reason at all.  Airports should install an electric fence and shock anyone who lingers within 15 feet of the carousel for more than 20 seconds.
 
2014-02-07 11:22:05 AM

Robo Beat: Robert Moses, most likely. The man had a true hate-boner for public transportation.


You can lay the responsibility for much of the urban difficulties in the last 50 years squarely on Robert Moses' grave.
 
2014-02-07 11:32:26 AM
LGA... I hope you like Au Bon Pain and Auntie Ann's.
 
2014-02-07 11:35:01 AM
If I had a few weeks to live I'd move to ATL because every moment there is like a farking eternity!
 
2014-02-07 11:35:54 AM
I love the  implication here: Authoritarian regimes gave grand, flashy facilities built on the backs of their oppressed citizens. Why can't we have that?
 
2014-02-07 11:47:59 AM
My only experience with Logan had to do with chasing a sack of 2nd Class US Mail out of Denver to Boston's Bulk Mailing Center. A printing snafu and my Publisher demanded  every copy returned.

Flew in to Logan, got the mess sorted out, called my older brother who lived just off Harvard Square (Chestnut Street?) and asked to crash for the night. He said no, hung up and when I tried to find a room in a hotel discovered a massive convention was in town and the nearest rooms were in Maine or some damn thing. This was in January, mind you and I ended up sleeping (sort of) in a baggage carousel until the first flight out back to Denver.

FU Boston.
 
2014-02-07 11:48:35 AM
Houston's pretty awful.
 
2014-02-07 11:50:30 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You've never been to ATL


There is absolutely nothing wrong with Hartsfield, as long as you don't have to connect flights on a day that there might be thunderstorms in Atlanta. Then, you're farked, but it has nothing to do with the design or amenities of the airport. I've noticed it getting progressively spiffier over the last couple years. The new international terminal is downright swanky.

LaGuardia looks like a Greyhound station in Paterson, N.J.
 
2014-02-07 11:51:27 AM
Try getting a taxi or shuttle at DFW after 10:00 PM - total anarchy.
 
2014-02-07 11:55:08 AM

theorellior: Robo Beat: Robert Moses, most likely. The man had a true hate-boner for public transportation.

You can lay the responsibility for much of the urban difficulties in the last 50 years squarely on Robert Moses' grave.


Although you can take the M60 bus to LGA from Manhattan, if you're so inclined. I have a co-worker who refuses to take cabs, so he always goes by bus.


FDR Jones: LGA... I hope you like Au Bon Pain and Auntie Ann's.


I can't remember the name of the place, now, but there was actually a decent sit-down eatery right past security, in the new Delta terminal (which is also quite nice). I had a great omelette for breakfast instead of a crappy breakfast sandwich from the concession next door.
 
2014-02-07 11:56:45 AM
LaGuardia has that hideous design flaw that you find in a lot of airports, which is if you mistakenly get let off at the wrong terminal, you're screwed. One thing Atlanta has going for it, there's only one place for ground transportation to take you (OK, two now that they have an international-only terminal), and the underground train between terminals is fast and efficient. You may have a bit of a hike if you're at Gate 3 or 36, but hey, exercise is good for you.

Worse airport design in terms of connecting to another flight, hands down, is Charles De Gaulle. French architect: "We must make it beautiful, with a womanly profile, so there is no room for internal passenger flow. Just have buses drive around the outside."
 
2014-02-07 11:57:19 AM

mbillips: The Stealth Hippopotamus: You've never been to ATL

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Hartsfield, as long as you don't have to connect flights on a day that there might be thunderstorms in Atlanta.


O'Hare might be worse for weather delays, I think.  Chicago weather during over the late autumn/winter/early spring stretch is pretty bad to begin with, but one would think that the runways had been laid out so as to maximize the intensity and frequency of crosswinds.  I have never had more and longer flight delays as when I'm flying into/out of Chicago.
 
2014-02-07 11:57:36 AM

Lydia_C: theorellior: Robo Beat: Robert Moses, most likely. The man had a true hate-boner for public transportation.

You can lay the responsibility for much of the urban difficulties in the last 50 years squarely on Robert Moses' grave.

Although you can take the M60 bus to LGA from Manhattan, if you're so inclined. I have a co-worker who refuses to take cabs, so he always goes by bus.


FDR Jones: LGA... I hope you like Au Bon Pain and Auntie Ann's.

I can't remember the name of the place, now, but there was actually a decent sit-down eatery right past security, in the new Delta terminal (which is also quite nice). I had a great omelette for breakfast instead of a crappy breakfast sandwich from the concession next door.


Yes, my slagging on LGA doesn't apply to the new Delta terminal. Unfortunately, I tend to get sent there on AirTran.
 
2014-02-07 12:02:00 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Robo Beat: To The Escape Zeppelin!: I was flying out of LGA once and there was luggage piled about 8ft high in one corner of the terminal. Between that and people fighting over position in line I spent my layover imagining I was fleeing some third world country and we were all fighting to get on the last plane out.

Also, why the hell doesn't the subway or train connect to the damn airport?

Robert Moses, most likely.  The man had a true hate-boner for public transportation.

I will agree that JFK's and LGA's relative inaccessibility by quick rail or subway service is scandalous to me.


There's a dedicated rail connection from the subway to JFK now, but you have to take the Q33 bus to LGA from the Jackson Heights stop. It's not that hard to do, but they really don't publicize that route in the airport. Probably cab company lobbyists have something to do with it.
 
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