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(Deadspin)   The last thing the NBA needs is yet a another statistical measure. Wait... this one is actually pretty cool   (regressing.deadspin.com) divider line 56
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2014-02-07 04:19:22 PM  

rickythepenguin: damn yanks: The stat rewards players who are physically limited and technically skilled, while devaluing athleticism.


well, that's just because those guys, the physically limited guys, they're also high motor guys, high basketball IQ, gym rats, they are just better human beings than the naturally talented athletes.  Even the well-spoken naturally talented athletes.  Those high motor guys, they see the game within the game.  Very heady guys.  They may not be the most naturally gifted, but you can't outwork them.  They get the most out of their limited ability, unlike the naturally athletic guy.  They're just special, special guys.  Lots of heart.  Gym rats.


Well obviously pysically limited is a relative term, but I am taking the bottom 10 to sweep the Decathlon.
 
2014-02-07 04:49:24 PM  

damn yanks: The stat measures offensive decision making as far as I can tell. I feel it does not compensate well enough for when athletic advantage trumps the logical decision to be considered an overall offensive rating. Everyone  in the bottom 10 except Rivers is considered an exceptional NBA athlete, and players often considered to be the most efficient on the offensive end are not in the top 10, with above average athletic talent being a common trait among the players not in the top 10 but considered by other measure to be the best almost universally.


A stat that measures offensive decision-making is flawed because it penalizes guys for making bad decisions that work out because they're athletic? Okay.

/as for your assessment of the top 10/bottom 10...if that's what you believe, no amount of logic is going to help you
 
2014-02-07 06:01:44 PM  

ladodger34: doubled99: And, while you might say 7th in the West (29-20) isn't exactly Moneyball, keep in mind in preseason, Vegas had the Suns o/u for wins at something like 17.5, maybe 18.5.  EIGHTY TWO GAME SEASON, FOLKS.   we were picked to be absolute dogs.  whether it was Mcdonough's alleged metrics, rookie coach what's his nuts (hornacek, just came to me), a combination thereof, or maybe just good ol fashioned dumbassery by the bookmakers, something good is happening in the Six Oh Deuce.

we've almost doubled the preseason win prediction before the ASG.

wow. This rambling bit of speculation is closer to supporting my view than yours.

Do advanced stats effect your enjoyment of the watching the sport right now?

These guys are so fringe that fringe might be too generous of a description.

I mean in baseball, advanced stats say that Jeter can't field worth a lick. For a Yankees fan that has watched him throughout his career and counts the rings, have advanced stats hurt the product?


Advanced stats have almost zero effect on the enjoyment of the game for fans. They are good for front office personnel, scouts, managers, and sports talk radio hosts that try too hard to sound like the smartest person in the room.
 
2014-02-07 06:30:02 PM  

JSam21: ladodger34: doubled99: And, while you might say 7th in the West (29-20) isn't exactly Moneyball, keep in mind in preseason, Vegas had the Suns o/u for wins at something like 17.5, maybe 18.5.  EIGHTY TWO GAME SEASON, FOLKS.   we were picked to be absolute dogs.  whether it was Mcdonough's alleged metrics, rookie coach what's his nuts (hornacek, just came to me), a combination thereof, or maybe just good ol fashioned dumbassery by the bookmakers, something good is happening in the Six Oh Deuce.

we've almost doubled the preseason win prediction before the ASG.

wow. This rambling bit of speculation is closer to supporting my view than yours.

Do advanced stats effect your enjoyment of the watching the sport right now?

These guys are so fringe that fringe might be too generous of a description.

I mean in baseball, advanced stats say that Jeter can't field worth a lick. For a Yankees fan that has watched him throughout his career and counts the rings, have advanced stats hurt the product?

Advanced stats have almost zero effect on the enjoyment of the game for fans. They are good for front office personnel, scouts, managers, and sports talk radio hosts that try too hard to sound like the smartest person in the room.


I know, it just amazes me that people rant against advanced metrics. I get it maybe in a Trout-Miggy mvp debate thread or something like that because Trout supporters use advanced metrics to make their case while Miggy folks use more traditional stats.

But on game day, none of that stuff matters (for the most part). Most fans are still cheering for their favorite team to win regardless of OPS or WAR.
 
2014-02-07 09:31:12 PM  
Oh, yeah, this is great. Ranks right up there with 'batting average on Wednesday afternoons on 70 degree days with a 50% chance of rain' stats.
 
2014-02-07 11:31:55 PM  

John Buck 41: Oh, yeah, this is great. Ranks right up there with 'batting average on Wednesday afternoons on 70 degree days with a 50% chance of rain' stats.


FFS, advanced stats have nothing to do with that. Those are factoids that announcers use to fill airtime.
 
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