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2014-02-07 12:59:09 PM

sendtodave: MadMonk: I had forgotten all about slashdot.  I used to go there all the time when I first started screwing around with Linux but then I realized I never really wanted to install Linux or FreeBSD on a toaster or blender, I kind of never went back.

Is this the year of the linux toaster?


Nope.  Non-compatible yeast.
 
2014-02-07 01:14:09 PM

PainInTheASP: sendtodave: MadMonk: I had forgotten all about slashdot.  I used to go there all the time when I first started screwing around with Linux but then I realized I never really wanted to install Linux or FreeBSD on a toaster or blender, I kind of never went back.

Is this the year of the linux toaster?

Nope.  Non-compatible yeast.


Curse you, Microorganism$oft!
 
2014-02-07 01:14:38 PM
Slashdot Beta has only one good feature.

The ability to switch it off and use the normal site.

Supposedly, that's going to be removed at some point, though.
 
2014-02-07 01:15:48 PM
I still read slashdot because they're a good tech/science aggregator. I wish the geek tab had half as many interesting stories.

I don't participate in the community - fark clicking to expand comments, fark voting and groupthink, fark it all. It's a shiatty system and I won't participate.

That said, beta is a steaming pile of shiat. It took everything that I liked about slashdot - the fact that you can quickly scroll through a linear list of interesting stories - and turned it into a godawful mess resembling Huffpost, brietbart, or other infotainment site.
 
2014-02-07 01:25:53 PM

Elegy: beta is a steaming pile of shiat. It took everything that I liked about slashdot - the fact that you can quickly scroll through a linear list of interesting stories - and turned it into a godawful mess resembling Huffpost, brietbart, or other infotainment site.


img.fark.net

vs

img.fark.net

...

Less functional to scroll through?  Not seeing it.
 
2014-02-07 01:47:25 PM

sendtodave: One comment put it thusly:

I've got to say that the initial post on this topic perpetuates one of the paradigms that is sticking in the craws of Slashdot users. We are not an audience. We might be users, we might be members, we most certainly are contributors. But we are not an audience.

If you persist in thinking of us that way, then you're going to get it wrong. You serve an audience differently than you serve contributing members of a community. Most of the complaints hinge on that difference.

If we were an audience, we'd be coming here for the articles. Most of the complaints are about the comment system, how difficult it is to follow a conversation, how difficult it is leave a comment, etc. I come here, most of us come here, to read what my/our fellow slashdotters have to say. The value here is the community, and the most important contributors are other members, not the site or the editors.

If you don't get that straight, then you aren't going to "get" why we're upset, so there's no chance that you'll deliver us something that we can live with. And that community is going to vanish, leaving you with nothing of value.
You can take suggestions and maybe reduce the implosion, but unless you understand *why* we're upset, you're going to be heading in fundamentally the wrong direction.

Which is funny, because I stopped reading Slashdot when I got tired of the  "community."  I'm a human being, in the business of IT, not some basement dwelling linux zealot.

If slashdot is retooled into a IT news aggregator, instead of a whiny nerd circlejerk, I might just stop by again.

If I never have to read M$ again, I'll be happy.


Ironically, I found Fark through Slashdot.  The thing that instantly struck me about Fark was they the comment were often as (if not more) insightful than the original article.

Slashdot was usually the opposite.

Furthermore, perhaps Slashdot wants to grow past its current "user" base and has to decide if its worth risking the loss of a few of those users in exchange for  better overall user experience.
 
2014-02-07 01:57:19 PM
Slashdot has sucked since the mid 2000's anyways.  That site is still around?
 
2014-02-07 02:24:31 PM

sendtodave: Elegy: beta is a steaming pile of shiat. It took everything that I liked about slashdot - the fact that you can quickly scroll through a linear list of interesting stories - and turned it into a godawful mess resembling Huffpost, brietbart, or other infotainment site.

[img.fark.net image 793x460]

vs

[img.fark.net image 793x460]

...

Less functional to scroll through?  Not seeing it.


Have you tried being a pedantic, change-hating whiner? Seems to be a pre-requisite.
 
2014-02-07 03:26:39 PM
I thought Slashdot was already a site for betas?

/No Linux distro is more aptly named than "Fedora".
 
2014-02-07 03:43:19 PM

sendtodave: Elegy: beta is a steaming pile of shiat. It took everything that I liked about slashdot - the fact that you can quickly scroll through a linear list of interesting stories - and turned it into a godawful mess resembling Huffpost, brietbart, or other infotainment site.

[img.fark.net image 793x460]

vs

[img.fark.net image 793x460]

...

Less functional to scroll through?  Not seeing it.


Here's what I'm seeing.  Two stories with summaries AND a big ass whimpering "we hear you" box on the regular site, versus one story and just six lines of text on the Beta site even WITHOUT the whimpering box.  FAR FAR less information density.  Right before I refreshed there was one story and about 15 lines of text on the classic site.  (No idea why the top story is different on each; I refreshed both.)

img.fark.net

vs.


img.fark.net
I just lurk at Slashdot (much as I did here until very recently), but the Beta site is terrible and the user revolt in all the threads is somewhat glorious to behold.

As to the "M$" stuff, that seems to be largely a thing of the past -- I've seen many pro-Microsoft posts with +5 ratings.

Slashdot is not a good news aggregator site, because the summaries stink and the editors have ALWAYS been bloody awful at their jobs (typos, duplicates, etc.).  But as the biatchfesters say, its strength was in the high quality of discussion, and driving away good users is not a good move.  Some of them have pointed to Fark as an example (among many) of what happens when a site disregards its core audience.

/10 posts per thread the new normal
 
2014-02-07 04:05:02 PM
Do they have a place where I can rage and demand a full refund of my $5?
 
2014-02-07 04:17:23 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Do they have a place where I can rage and demand a full refund of my $5?


Everything's about money, right dummy?
 
2014-02-07 04:40:16 PM
Actually, it's better than it used to be
farm1.staticflickr.com
 
2014-02-07 04:56:43 PM
I never once saw the beta, and when I saw the threads turning into "WTF!"-fests, I decided not to even try the beta mode. That being said, Fark is a lot more fun.

impaler: I can't stand that "threading" format for comments.


That's been the most annoying thing. On web forums, I prefer linear comments. The only system where I ever really appreciated threading was Usenet with a proper newsreader like tin or trn.
 
2014-02-07 05:00:32 PM

Fubegra: I never once saw the beta, and when I saw the threads turning into "WTF!"-fests, I decided not to even try the beta mode. That being said, Fark is a lot more fun.

impaler: I can't stand that "threading" format for comments.

That's been the most annoying thing. On web forums, I prefer linear comments. The only system where I ever really appreciated threading was Usenet with a proper newsreader like tin or trn.


Threading is farking awful almost everywhere.  It's infested almost all e-mail clients too.  (I had to hunt a bit to turn it off in the new version of K-9 Mail on Android -- threading was on by default!)

I can't understand how people can tolerate Reddit, let alone the bizarre travesties of places like Gawker.  It's actually still painful trying to read comments on Gawker sites.
 
2014-02-07 05:19:06 PM

Geotpf: I must say I am always in the "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" group.  Now, if it's actually broken, or what you are doing is clearly superior, that's different.  But change for change's sake usually results in an inferior product.

Great example: Windows 8.  Windows 7's user interface was nearly pefect 17 years old, so let's completely change everything about it, since tablets and touch devices are all the rageMorons.


FIFY

And morons are the ones who don't know how to get back to the desktop interface.
 
2014-02-07 05:30:11 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Actually, it's better than it used to be


Haha, I actually remember that front page. Takes me back, makes me want to see a GNAA or a Beowulf cluster comment here.
 
2014-02-07 05:30:37 PM

peterthx: Geotpf: I must say I am always in the "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" group.  Now, if it's actually broken, or what you are doing is clearly superior, that's different.  But change for change's sake usually results in an inferior product.

Great example: Windows 8. Klingon Street Signage And Green Means Stop.  English Street Signs and Green Means Go  user interface was nearly pefect 17 150 years old, so let's completely change everything about it, since tablets and touch devices science fiction and paradigm breaking are all the rage.  Morons.

FIFY

And morons are the ones who don't know how to use a Klingon dictionary and drive backwards while yelling out the window to get home.  get back to the desktop interface<


/but really, this shiat again?

 
2014-02-07 05:34:50 PM
Forcing javascripted threaded discussion is what made me stop hanging out there.

Give me flat HTML or give me , errr somehing dramatic but not death

/and I had a user number under 4096 too
 
2014-02-07 05:44:39 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Forcing javascripted threaded discussion is what made me stop hanging out there.

Give me flat HTML or give me , errr somehing dramatic but not death

/and I had a user number under 4096 too


At one point you could have sold that for some serious money.  But there may be a fire sale on 4 digit accounts if they keep up with the shiny shiny WordPress clone.

/I like WordPress
/but not for forums
 
2014-02-07 05:44:46 PM
Years and years ago, it had insightful posts and discussions on technology. The "M$ sucks!" camp was just the beginning of the downward spiral. Today, it's the geek equivalent of the politics tab. Just a bunch of useless posturing by crazy people who shouldn't be let anywhere near a computer, with the occasional funny post. Even when interesting topics get posted, there's almost no discussion about the actual technology.
 
2014-02-07 05:48:22 PM
Slashdot was dying - Dice's quarterly report wrote down the entire division as worthless. They had to increase ad sales or the site would just be closed or become some ridiculous husk of its former self (worse than this).

The modern web is funded by annoying its readers. If web sites didn't annoy their readers, the ads wouldn't get seen, and the sites would go bankrupt.
 
2014-02-07 05:53:15 PM

Far Cough: Vlad_the_Inaner: Forcing javascripted threaded discussion is what made me stop hanging out there.

Give me flat HTML or give me , errr somehing dramatic but not death

/and I had a user number under 4096 too

At one point you could have sold that for some serious money.  But there may be a fire sale on 4 digit accounts if they keep up with the shiny shiny WordPress clone.

/I like WordPress
/but not for forums


It has my real name on it.  Not sure it'd be wise to sell with that, even if I had an offer
 
2014-02-07 05:54:02 PM

Myria: Slashdot was dying - Dice's quarterly report wrote down the entire division as worthless. They had to increase ad sales or the site would just be closed or become some ridiculous husk of its former self (worse than this).


Except that "this" isn't there yet.  This is far from the worst of it.  Once they push the new interface to 100% of visitors instead of the current 25% of visitors, all the core geeks will have gone.  (That's happening now really.)

So they'll have a tech news site without any tech audience.  Worse than CNet or the Fark Geek tab.

The only other decent place around is ArsTechnica, which isn't what it used to be either (and I don't love their forums).

Seems like there are a few pushes for a Slashdot replacement (one is altslashdot.org or altslash.org) but nothing's really there yet.

Any suggestions for a decent tech news site?
 
2014-02-07 06:00:03 PM

Far Cough: Seems like there are a few pushes for a Slashdot replacement (one is altslashdot.org or altslash.org) but nothing's really there yet.


Well, now that custom TLDs are for sale, I was thinking it should become slashdot.dot.
 
2014-02-07 06:06:25 PM

Far Cough: Myria: Slashdot was dying - Dice's quarterly report wrote down the entire division as worthless. They had to increase ad sales or the site would just be closed or become some ridiculous husk of its former self (worse than this).

Except that "this" isn't there yet.  This is far from the worst of it.  Once they push the new interface to 100% of visitors instead of the current 25% of visitors, all the core geeks will have gone.  (That's happening now really.)

So they'll have a tech news site without any tech audience.  Worse than CNet or the Fark Geek tab.

The only other decent place around is ArsTechnica, which isn't what it used to be either (and I don't love their forums).

Seems like there are a few pushes for a Slashdot replacement (one is altslashdot.org or altslash.org) but nothing's really there yet.

Any suggestions for a decent tech news site?

No all of them have some kind of bias against some company or the other.
/The Verge takes top spot with bias and slow loading video.
 
2014-02-07 06:12:24 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Far Cough: Seems like there are a few pushes for a Slashdot replacement (one is altslashdot.org or altslash.org) but nothing's really there yet.

Well, now that custom TLDs are for sale, I was thinking it should become slashdot.dot.


I think you mean .slashdot ?

drjekel_mrhyde: Far Cough: Myria: Slashdot was dying - Dice's quarterly report wrote down the entire division as worthless. They had to increase ad sales or the site would just be closed or become some ridiculous husk of its former self (worse than this).

Except that "this" isn't there yet.  This is far from the worst of it.  Once they push the new interface to 100% of visitors instead of the current 25% of visitors, all the core geeks will have gone.  (That's happening now really.)

So they'll have a tech news site without any tech audience.  Worse than CNet or the Fark Geek tab.

The only other decent place around is ArsTechnica, which isn't what it used to be either (and I don't love their forums).

Seems like there are a few pushes for a Slashdot replacement (one is altslashdot.org or altslash.org) but nothing's really there yet.

Any suggestions for a decent tech news site?
No all of them have some kind of bias against some company or the other.
/The Verge takes top spot with bias and slow loading video.


Yeah, the TWiT guys seem to like it but if you visit it with a computer or device more than a year old it's like waiting for Tom Sawyer to finish painting in a fence.  I've actively avoided it after trying it once or twice.

Every once in a while I see a link to a decent ExtremeTech article, which is surprising to me, considering its origins.
 
2014-02-07 06:15:35 PM

poot_rootbeer: I thought Slashdot was already a site for betas?


Does that explain your posts there?
 
2014-02-07 06:17:06 PM

peterthx: Geotpf: I must say I am always in the "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" group.  Now, if it's actually broken, or what you are doing is clearly superior, that's different.  But change for change's sake usually results in an inferior product.

Great example: Windows 8.  Windows 7's user interface was nearly pefect 17 years old, so let's completely change everything about it, since tablets and touch devices are all the rage.  Morons.

FIFY

And morons are the ones who don't know how to get back to the desktop interface.


Ok, so where's the Start menu?  (And don't say download an additional program-subtracting features isn't an improvement.)

Windows 8 would be like a car where the car maker decided to make it so that you can steer with your feet, although if you pull a lever every time you start it you can go back to steering with your hands-but the speedometer is gone, although you can buy one on the aftermarket if you must have one.
 
2014-02-07 06:39:37 PM

Far Cough: Vlad_the_Inaner: Far Cough: Seems like there are a few pushes for a Slashdot replacement (one is altslashdot.org or altslash.org) but nothing's really there yet.

Well, now that custom TLDs are for sale, I was thinking it should become slashdot.dot.

I think you mean .slashdot ?


No, not what I intended , the site's name is a joke when pronounced aloud.  The URL is

Aych tee tee pee colon slash slash slash dot  dot org.

My suggestion would make it even more confusing

Aych tee tee pee colon slash slash slash dot dot dot

/now http://slashdot.slashdot does have potential, but I like the seeming ellipsis at the end of mine, and the alliteration with "dash dash dash dot dot dot"
 
2014-02-07 06:39:56 PM

Handsome B. Wonderful: Does that explain your posts there?



Don't dredge up those memories.  The ponytail to my ass and the giant tinted glasses, oh god.

/ clean since 2009
// left when it became clear an admin was withholding moderator privs from me for publicly calling him out on abuses of power
/// and when I got a haircut and a girlfriend
 
2014-02-07 06:42:18 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Far Cough: Vlad_the_Inaner: Far Cough: Seems like there are a few pushes for a Slashdot replacement (one is altslashdot.org or altslash.org) but nothing's really there yet.

Well, now that custom TLDs are for sale, I was thinking it should become slashdot.dot.

I think you mean .slashdot ?

No, not what I intended , the site's name is a joke when pronounced aloud.  The URL is

Aych tee tee pee colon slash slash slash dot  dot org.

My suggestion would make it even more confusing

Aych tee tee pee colon slash slash slash dot dot dot

/now http://slashdot.slashdot does have potential, but I like the seeming ellipsis at the end of mine, and the alliteration with "dash dash dash dot dot dot"


I knew the first part, but I think you just proved why you're worthy of a 4 digit Slashdot UID.  :)
 
2014-02-07 07:41:25 PM
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

It should look more like this.
 
2014-02-07 07:50:08 PM
Weird to see all the hate here. the comments are still great and well moderated. There is a big difference if you are logged in and have carefully tweaked your settings. The whole point is flexibility, so you customize the comments to be how you'd like them.

The moderation system though is what makes slashdot great, I wish something more like it was on more sites.
 
2014-02-07 08:45:42 PM
The problem with Slashdot isn't the HTML or the comments, it's the lack of vetting for stories. Some seriously stupid shiat gets through.

Ars is a better site for tech news anyway.
 
2014-02-07 09:07:32 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Actually, it's better than it used to be
[farm1.staticflickr.com image 850x564]


i.imgur.com

I dunno about that.
/it was April Fool's Day 2006, how does she do that?!
 
2014-02-07 09:22:00 PM

Far Cough: Threading is farking awful almost everywhere. It's infested almost all e-mail clients too. (I had to hunt a bit to turn it off in the new version of K-9 Mail on Android -- threading was on by default!)


You are *so* lucky you are too young to remember Usenet.
 
2014-02-07 10:13:03 PM
 <0)
 (  \
  x
8===D
 
2014-02-08 01:49:21 AM

Ivo Shandor:
<0)
 (  \
  x
8===D


Incident with the bird,
BSD Netcraft confirmed,
Stephen King is still alive,
Natalie is petrified!

We didn't start the fire,
It was always trollin' since Slashdot was rollin'...
 
2014-02-08 02:01:39 AM

llamalarity: Far Cough: Threading is farking awful almost everywhere. It's infested almost all e-mail clients too. (I had to hunt a bit to turn it off in the new version of K-9 Mail on Android -- threading was on by default!)

You are *so* lucky you are too young to remember Usenet.


go ahead, tell him about the evil that is 'top posting'
 
2014-02-08 04:14:52 AM
Dozens of people must be outraged.
 
2014-02-08 04:16:55 AM
God, I hated top posting

Vlad_the_Inaner:
go ahead, tell him about the evil that is 'top posting'

 llamalarity:

You are *so* lucky you are too young to remember Usenet.
Far Cough: Threading is farking awful almost everywhere. It's infested almost all e-mail clients too. (I had to hunt a bit to turn it off in the new version of K-9 Mail on Android -- threading was on by default!)
 
2014-02-08 06:00:47 AM
Vlad_the_Inaner:
go ahead, tell him about the evil that is 'top posting'

Bottom posting (with out snipping) is far worse! The reason people /think/ it is correct is that in a short exchange interspersed resembles bottom posting.

/dash, dash, space, enter
//nice addition
///did not have slashies in the old days
 
2014-02-08 06:00:57 AM
I might be a bit behind the times but i feel like i haven't seen a slashdot link in many years.  What does Dice have to do with anything?
 
2014-02-08 06:41:38 AM

Twilight Farkle: Fark's present design burns about 2" of space on the right column


http://m.fark.com/comments/8133044?from_page=geek#new
 
2014-02-08 11:56:59 AM

Far Cough: Myria: Slashdot was dying - Dice's quarterly report wrote down the entire division as worthless. They had to increase ad sales or the site would just be closed or become some ridiculous husk of its former self (worse than this).

Except that "this" isn't there yet.  This is far from the worst of it.  Once they push the new interface to 100% of visitors instead of the current 25% of visitors, all the core geeks will have gone.  (That's happening now really.)

So they'll have a tech news site without any tech audience.  Worse than CNet or the Fark Geek tab.

The only other decent place around is ArsTechnica, which isn't what it used to be either (and I don't love their forums).

Seems like there are a few pushes for a Slashdot replacement (one is altslashdot.org or altslash.org) but nothing's really there yet.

Any suggestions for a decent tech news site?


There is something in the works springing from the not yet cold corpse of slashdot --> http://www.altslashdot.org
 
2014-02-08 12:40:09 PM
I keep hoping the staff at slashdot will take a moment to listen to Joe's discussion and analysis of the "You'll get over it" redesign, in which - after learning that lesson the hard way - he details precisely the ways that slashdot/dice is farking up right now.

That talk was posted in 2011 and was given at NOTACON 8, so really, they should understand these lessons already. Of course, the staff over there has been ignoring any reasoned response, so I doubt they'll take the time to watch the talk. *sigh*
 
2014-02-08 01:09:34 PM
everyone complained just as much the last time it was re-designed. Whining and impotent nerd rage is a slashdot specialty.
 
2014-02-08 01:26:45 PM

InterruptingQuirk: Far Cough: Myria: Slashdot was dying - Dice's quarterly report wrote down the entire division as worthless. They had to increase ad sales or the site would just be closed or become some ridiculous husk of its former self (worse than this).

Except that "this" isn't there yet.  This is far from the worst of it.  Once they push the new interface to 100% of visitors instead of the current 25% of visitors, all the core geeks will have gone.  (That's happening now really.)

So they'll have a tech news site without any tech audience.  Worse than CNet or the Fark Geek tab.

The only other decent place around is ArsTechnica, which isn't what it used to be either (and I don't love their forums).

Seems like there are a few pushes for a Slashdot replacement (one is altslashdot.org or altslash.org) but nothing's really there yet.

Any suggestions for a decent tech news site?

There is something in the works springing from the not yet cold corpse of slashdot --> http://www.altslashdot.org


Um, yeah, I mentioned it in the post you quoted, but thanks. Unfortunately there's no there there, yet. And yeah I know/knew Usenet.
 
2014-02-08 01:36:51 PM

Far Cough: InterruptingQuirk: Far Cough: Myria: Slashdot was dying - Dice's quarterly report wrote down the entire division as worthless. They had to increase ad sales or the site would just be closed or become some ridiculous husk of its former self (worse than this).

Except that "this" isn't there yet.  This is far from the worst of it.  Once they push the new interface to 100% of visitors instead of the current 25% of visitors, all the core geeks will have gone.  (That's happening now really.)

So they'll have a tech news site without any tech audience.  Worse than CNet or the Fark Geek tab.

The only other decent place around is ArsTechnica, which isn't what it used to be either (and I don't love their forums).

Seems like there are a few pushes for a Slashdot replacement (one is altslashdot.org or altslash.org) but nothing's really there yet.

Any suggestions for a decent tech news site?

There is something in the works springing from the not yet cold corpse of slashdot --> http://www.altslashdot.org

Um, yeah, I mentioned it in the post you quoted, but thanks. Unfortunately there's no there there, yet. And yeah I know/knew Usenet.


Sorry, I skimmed and didn't see hyperlink colors.
 
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