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(KTAR Phoenix)   Interesting: Skinny Puppy was one of the bands the military used to torture inmates at Guantanamo Bay. Obvious: Now Skinny Puppy wants the the military to pay for the rights to use it. Silly: They want $666,000   (ktar.com) divider line 78
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2014-02-07 08:59:44 AM  
Good luck with that arseholes.. You probably shouldn't spend the money just yet..
 
2014-02-07 09:00:26 AM  
I thought for sure it would have been a mixture of Nickleback, Creed, and Black Sabbath
 
2014-02-07 09:01:32 AM  

jpo2269: Good luck with that arseholes.. You probably shouldn't spend the money just yet..


FTFA: While Skinny Puppy is not expecting reimbursement from the federal government, they are looking into their legal options.

Stupid is a good look for you.
 
2014-02-07 09:02:11 AM  
I'm sorry, is copyright law only for Disney characters now?
 
2014-02-07 09:03:32 AM  
Ram Jam is still waiting for their royalty checks from the US invasion of Panama. They used Black Betty to get Noriega out of his house


/hey black betty amberlamps
 
2014-02-07 09:04:47 AM  
interesting kind of notoriety. while i don't expect they should collect a cent from the government, it might be worth a bit of free publicity for them....
 
2014-02-07 09:07:34 AM  
VIVIsectVI was put in to use by the US government. The billing is appropriate.

/Welcome to the morning news.....
 
2014-02-07 09:09:08 AM  

proteus_b: interesting kind of notoriety. while i don't expect they should collect a cent from the government, it might be worth a bit of free publicity for them....


Copyright infringement is a terrible, terrible crime. It's exactly the same as stealing.
Don't you care about the law and justice and stuff?

/you wouldn't download an aircraft carrier, would you?
 
2014-02-07 09:11:59 AM  

proteus_b: interesting kind of notoriety. while i don't expect they should collect a cent from the government, it might be worth a bit of free publicity for them....


Exactly.  When's the last time Skinny Puppy got any press outside the alt-music scene? (The answer is probably the mid '90s when Dwayne Goettel died of a heroin overdose.)
 
2014-02-07 09:17:37 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: proteus_b: interesting kind of notoriety. while i don't expect they should collect a cent from the government, it might be worth a bit of free publicity for them....

Exactly.  When's the last time Skinny Puppy got any press outside the alt-music scene? (The answer is probably the mid '90s when Dwayne Goettel died of a heroin overdose.)


They had a song released a couple years ago that was about beating the shiat out of someone. Can't think of the name of it, but I used it in my track list for PvPing.

/hates the Horde
 
2014-02-07 09:19:01 AM  
Fine, but you've got to come down to Gitmo to collect.
 
2014-02-07 09:20:29 AM  
They should challenge the US government to a breakdancing competition.
 
2014-02-07 09:24:45 AM  

Wake Up Sheeple: They should challenge the US government to a breakdancing competition.


Boooo!

/That video was a friggin mistake...
 
2014-02-07 09:27:00 AM  

give me doughnuts: Fine, but you've got to come down to Gitmo to collect.


Why don't you just arrange a pick-up...oh, sorry..."rendition"?
 
2014-02-07 09:28:40 AM  
Skinny Puppy: Kings of the "T-Shirt Bands" back in the late 80's early 90's.

/swears they sold more t-shirts than albums.
//They had a few cool tracks though.
 
2014-02-07 09:29:35 AM  

Valiente: I'm sorry, is copyright law only for Disney characters now?


Pretty much, the US supreme court ruled in Price v. United States: "The United States, as [a] sovereign, 'is immune from suit save as it consents to be sued " in the labyrinthine mess that is the DMCA the US left itself a exemption for use of copyrighted materials in national defense, thus good luck to them on that suit.
 
2014-02-07 09:37:29 AM  
Hmmm...interesting.  In HS, we used to call Skinny Puppy "music to murder by".  So, apparently, it makes a good soundtrack for a slaying.
 
2014-02-07 09:49:59 AM  
Now paging brap, please report to thread 8132962...
 
2014-02-07 09:50:58 AM  
If we're going to be assholes to everyone else about copyright, then we have to be consistent.
 
2014-02-07 09:57:14 AM  
They could've used this instead:

ytims.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-07 09:58:33 AM  
Now is the only thing tha's real.
 
2014-02-07 09:59:37 AM  
The article is pretty information-free.
What alleged copyright violations took place?
Is the band claiming that the songs played at the Guantanamo Bay prison were unlawfully downloaded?
Are they claiming there is an implied obligation that their musin not be played at an unwilling audience?

What harm did Skinny Puppy suffer that needs to be redressed?
 
2014-02-07 10:11:00 AM  

give me doughnuts: The article is pretty information-free.
What alleged copyright violations took place?
Is the band claiming that the songs played at the Guantanamo Bay prison were unlawfully downloaded?
Are they claiming there is an implied obligation that their musin not be played at an unwilling audience?

What harm did Skinny Puppy suffer that needs to be redressed?


Linky

Even more detail from link within.
 
2014-02-07 10:19:02 AM  
arab's crash fixation
alleging mass destruction
interrogation without guilt

mosque erection
bombs away
fighter jets round the skies
how wrong

Iraqis thrashed
ethics vacant
stress positions
CIA role play 

down to the shores of Gitmo
down to the shores of Gitmo
 
2014-02-07 10:20:12 AM  

Your Hind Brain: give me doughnuts: The article is pretty information-free.
What alleged copyright violations took place?
Is the band claiming that the songs played at the Guantanamo Bay prison were unlawfully downloaded?
Are they claiming there is an implied obligation that their musin not be played at an unwilling audience?

What harm did Skinny Puppy suffer that needs to be redressed?
Linky
Even more detail from link within.


So Gitmo is open to the public, free for others to gather at?

Themoreyouknow.jpg
 
2014-02-07 10:25:23 AM  

legion_of_doo: Your Hind Brain: give me doughnuts: The article is pretty information-free.
What alleged copyright violations took place?
Is the band claiming that the songs played at the Guantanamo Bay prison were unlawfully downloaded?
Are they claiming there is an implied obligation that their musin not be played at an unwilling audience?

What harm did Skinny Puppy suffer that needs to be redressed?
Linky
Even more detail from link within.

So Gitmo is open to the public, free for others to gather at?

Themoreyouknow.jpg


Oh yeah, you're right.

No additional license is required to privately view a movie or other copyrighted work with a few friends and family or in certain narrowly defined face-to-face teaching activities.
 
2014-02-07 10:44:37 AM  

Your Hind Brain: They could've used this instead:

[ytims.files.wordpress.com image 297x300]


Bad idea.  That album was recorded with the intention of summoning demons.  God only knows what would have happened.
 
2014-02-07 10:45:30 AM  
Who's Laughing Now?
 
2014-02-07 10:46:04 AM  
That's ironic in so many ways. I'm not sure I could disentangle the ironies in a book.

The biggest irony may be that copyright is being used against torturers, not ten year olds who download a song they'll love for a couple of weeks but wouldn't and couldn't buy in a thousand years. The US Government is certainly guilty of aiding and abetting copyright trolls and squatters, while torture violates the letter and the spirit of the Constitution, the laws, and the stated principles of every US government.

Read the CIA website for children and they will tell you that they never do assassinations, overthrow elected governments, or torture or other international and domestic crimes. Perhaps there are dim children who would believe this if they ever visited the CIA website.

Well, I'm off to listen to some electro-industrial. Maybe Skinny Puppy has something worth 99 cents.
 
2014-02-07 10:58:36 AM  

NutWrench: proteus_b: interesting kind of notoriety. while i don't expect they should collect a cent from the government, it might be worth a bit of free publicity for them....

Copyright infringement is a terrible, terrible crime. It's exactly the same as stealing.
Don't you care about the law and justice and stuff?

/you wouldn't download an aircraft carrier, would you?


I'm 3D printing the USS Carl Vinson right now.
 
2014-02-07 11:13:07 AM  

Walt_Jizzney: Skinny Puppy: Kings of the "T-Shirt Bands" back in the late 80's early 90's.

/swears they sold more t-shirts than albums.
//They had a few cool tracks though.


I saw them here in Atlanta on Tuesday, and ALL of the shirts at the merch booth were sold out.

You might be on to something.
 
Ant
2014-02-07 11:15:07 AM  
This brings back some good memories, but I can see how it might be torture for someone who's not a fan.

Assimilate (Live 1986)
 
2014-02-07 11:15:24 AM  

brantgoose: That's ironic in so many ways. I'm not sure I could disentangle the ironies in a book.

The biggest irony may be that copyright is being used against torturers, not ten year olds who download a song they'll love for a couple of weeks but wouldn't and couldn't buy in a thousand years. The US Government is certainly guilty of aiding and abetting copyright trolls and squatters, while torture violates the letter and the spirit of the Constitution, the laws, and the stated principles of every US government.

Read the CIA website for children and they will tell you that they never do assassinations, overthrow elected governments, or torture or other international and domestic crimes. Perhaps there are dim children who would believe this if they ever visited the CIA website.

Well, I'm off to listen to some electro-industrial. Maybe Skinny Puppy has something worth 99 cents.




Skinny Puppy - Worlock
 
2014-02-07 11:18:31 AM  
I taught the killing game first. FIRST. First.
 
2014-02-07 11:18:48 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Your Hind Brain: They could've used this instead:

[ytims.files.wordpress.com image 297x300]

Bad idea.  That album was recorded with the intention of summoning demons.  God only knows what would have happened.


Maybe that's what went wrong with me. I feel asleep to it quite often.
 
2014-02-07 11:20:18 AM  

Your Hind Brain: Rev. Skarekroe: Your Hind Brain: They could've used this instead:

[ytims.files.wordpress.com image 297x300]

Bad idea.  That album was recorded with the intention of summoning demons.  God only knows what would have happened.

Maybe that's what went wrong with me. I feel asleep to it quite often.


"fell"

Yep, that's what happened.
 
Ant
2014-02-07 11:20:42 AM  

Walt_Jizzney: Skinny Puppy: Kings of the "T-Shirt Bands" back in the late 80's early 90's.

/swears they sold more t-shirts than albums.
//They had a few cool tracks though.


I thought that was Einstürzende Neubauten. They had some pretty cool shirts, but their 'music' sucked.

/was a Skinny Puppy fanatic in the 80s - early 90s
 
2014-02-07 11:26:13 AM  
Seeing them in Vancouver on the 28th.
 
2014-02-07 11:40:52 AM  
He's seeing Monsters. He's losing his mind and he feels it going.
 
2014-02-07 11:41:17 AM  

pxlboy: brantgoose: That's ironic in so many ways. I'm not sure I could disentangle the ironies in a book.

The biggest irony may be that copyright is being used against torturers, not ten year olds who download a song they'll love for a couple of weeks but wouldn't and couldn't buy in a thousand years. The US Government is certainly guilty of aiding and abetting copyright trolls and squatters, while torture violates the letter and the spirit of the Constitution, the laws, and the stated principles of every US government.

Read the CIA website for children and they will tell you that they never do assassinations, overthrow elected governments, or torture or other international and domestic crimes. Perhaps there are dim children who would believe this if they ever visited the CIA website.

Well, I'm off to listen to some electro-industrial. Maybe Skinny Puppy has something worth 99 cents.

Skinny Puppy - Worlock



Skinny Puppy's best video
 
2014-02-07 11:51:42 AM  
FTFA...

Canadian industrial band ...

All I needed to see to know that this is outside the bounds of the Geneva Convention.
 
2014-02-07 11:56:27 AM  
Sarah McLachlan wouldn't have been as effective unles it was one of those animal cruelty commecials.
 
2014-02-07 11:58:34 AM  
www.1057thexrocks.com

... and it's true (good tune, too)
 
2014-02-07 11:59:55 AM  
And damn right too. Every other useless piece of equipment used by the military is so completely mind bogglingly overpriced that I`m sure the price there is in line with that pricing scale.
 
2014-02-07 12:16:26 PM  
I SAID THIS IN THE LAST THREAD!!!!
 
2014-02-07 12:20:42 PM  

Sasquach: I SAID THIS IN THE LAST THREAD!!!!


That was on a Wednesday. This is a Friday. There's a difference.
 
2014-02-07 12:39:11 PM  
I am a big fan of music, but Skinny Puppy is terrible.  I have a bad association with it though.  An ex roommate who decided it was more important to drop acid and listen to that shiat than pay rent was a big fan.  He was also an asshole.  kinda taints the whole mess.
 
2014-02-07 12:52:26 PM  

jpo2269: Good luck with that arseholes.. You probably shouldn't spend the money just yet..


(Joker burning cash.jpg)

"It's not about the money, it's about sending a message."

Skinny Puppy are rightfully pissed that their art was used to brutalize political prisoners in a Gulag run by the world's most powerful "democracy".
 
2014-02-07 12:53:40 PM  
Asshole tainted mess?
 
2014-02-07 01:03:44 PM  

No Such Agency: jpo2269: Good luck with that arseholes.. You probably shouldn't spend the money just yet..

(Joker burning cash.jpg)

"It's not about the money, it's about sending a message."

Skinny Puppy are rightfully pissed that their art was used to brutalize political prisoners in a Gulag run by the world's most powerful "democracy".


Maybe next time someone decides to filibuster, the building could be locked and have Anger played repeatedly for 36 hours.
 
2014-02-07 01:17:12 PM  
If they really want to torture someone they should have used Morrissey.
 
2014-02-07 01:32:01 PM  
What the military's response to Skinny Puppy's suit might look like...

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-07 01:32:52 PM  

give me doughnuts: The article is pretty information-free.
What alleged copyright violations took place?
Is the band claiming that the songs played at the Guantanamo Bay prison were unlawfully downloaded?
Are they claiming there is an implied obligation that their musin not be played at an unwilling audience?

What harm did Skinny Puppy suffer that needs to be redressed?


Their music was used in a manner that had ethical and moral connotations. Since none of the band members were asked for permission or compensated, this does actually violate the implied obligation to not use other people's stuff to violate what may be their ethical or moral lines in the sand.

In other words: Don't use people's art, even shiatty art, to hurt people. This is definitely an implied rule, and the government needs its ass kicked for violating it.
 
Ant
2014-02-07 01:47:21 PM  

Evil Mackerel: If they really want to torture someone they should have used Morrissey.


♫Allah knows I'm miserable now♫
 
2014-02-07 01:55:10 PM  

Ant: Evil Mackerel: If they really want to torture someone they should have used Morrissey.

♫Allah knows I'm miserable now♫


Stop me if you think you've heard this one before...

/Over and over and over and over....
 
2014-02-07 02:20:48 PM  

NutWrench: proteus_b: interesting kind of notoriety. while i don't expect they should collect a cent from the government, it might be worth a bit of free publicity for them....

Copyright infringement is a terrible, terrible crime. It's exactly the same as stealing.
Don't you care about the law and justice and stuff?

/you wouldn't download an aircraft carrier, would you?


I tried but all I got was that stupid Battleship movie!
 
2014-02-07 02:22:23 PM  
There's a lot of metal bands that would love to have this sort of reputation for their music.

Ulver's probably not one of them, but I'm thinking Nattens Madrigal would be a better sonic weapon:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57pPK9LIa34&list=PL907E3EBEBB6A295A
 
2014-02-07 02:40:17 PM  

Green Smoke: There's a lot of metal bands that would love to have this sort of reputation for their music.


Deicide was quite proud of it. There was a big banner at the top of their myspace page (yes, this story is that old) declaring "The US military uses our music to torture prisoners."
 
2014-02-07 02:57:24 PM  

Valiente: I'm sorry, is copyright law only for Disney characters now?


This.  Maybe if the Gummint gets held up for "commercial use" of music without permission, then it will start to take the matter seriously when the rest of us get butt-farked by similar circumstances.
 
2014-02-07 03:50:26 PM  

jigger: Green Smoke: There's a lot of metal bands that would love to have this sort of reputation for their music.

Deicide was quite proud of it. There was a big banner at the top of their myspace page (yes, this story is that old) declaring "The US military uses our music to torture prisoners."


Skinny Puppy never had any love for the right wing in America. You can tell even as far back as the 80's sampling Reagan in a "not good overtone". They didn't support either Iraq war during the Bush I and II years and were quite vocal/visual about it live.
 
2014-02-07 04:15:48 PM  

No Such Agency: jpo2269: Good luck with that arseholes.. You probably shouldn't spend the money just yet..

(Joker burning cash.jpg)

"It's not about the money, it's about sending a message."

Skinny Puppy are rightfully pissed that their art was used to brutalize political prisoners in a Gulag run by the world's most powerful "democracy".


Seriously. And how the hell does that make Skinny Puppy the "arseholes"?

Man, some people just love the taste of boot.
 
2014-02-07 04:20:25 PM  
Skinny Puppy have been vigorously ANTI-TORTURE (and anti-animal testing) for, like, well, ever since they existed.

So yeah, having their music used to TORTURE would not sit right at all with them.

/second the 'Anger' comment above
// or "The Mourn".... pretty much anything short off of 'Cleanse, Fold, Manipulate'
 
2014-02-07 04:23:33 PM  

pxlboy: Walt_Jizzney: Skinny Puppy: Kings of the "T-Shirt Bands" back in the late 80's early 90's.

/swears they sold more t-shirts than albums.
//They had a few cool tracks though.

I saw them here in Atlanta on Tuesday, and ALL of the shirts at the merch booth were sold out.

You might be on to something.


The Residents claimed that The Rolling Stones were the best T-Shirt salesmen on the planet.
 
2014-02-07 04:38:16 PM  
Who?
 
2014-02-07 05:11:59 PM  

ObscureNameHere: Skinny Puppy have been vigorously ANTI-TORTURE (and anti-animal testing) for, like, well, ever since they existed.

So yeah, having their music used to TORTURE would not sit right at all with them.

/second the 'Anger' comment above
// or "The Mourn".... pretty much anything short off of 'Cleanse, Fold, Manipulate'


Shiat, we used CFaM to clear out the record store before closing.

/Lawn. Off.
 
2014-02-07 05:47:20 PM  

Anastacya: Rev. Skarekroe: proteus_b: interesting kind of notoriety. while i don't expect they should collect a cent from the government, it might be worth a bit of free publicity for them....

Exactly.  When's the last time Skinny Puppy got any press outside the alt-music scene? (The answer is probably the mid '90s when Dwayne Goettel died of a heroin overdose.)

They had a song released a couple years ago that was about beating the shiat out of someone. Can't think of the name of it, but I used it in my track list for PvPing.

/hates the Horde


Blasphemous Alliance scum ;P
 
2014-02-07 05:56:29 PM  
 
2014-02-07 05:57:19 PM  
Now everyone will remember that there was a band named Skinny Puppy  .
 
2014-02-07 06:12:04 PM  

ShadowWolf: Rodent Remix


Strange, I just picked up Wild Planet for .99. This week.
 
2014-02-07 06:32:26 PM  

Aigoo: Anastacya: Rev. Skarekroe: proteus_b: interesting kind of notoriety. while i don't expect they should collect a cent from the government, it might be worth a bit of free publicity for them....

Exactly.  When's the last time Skinny Puppy got any press outside the alt-music scene? (The answer is probably the mid '90s when Dwayne Goettel died of a heroin overdose.)

They had a song released a couple years ago that was about beating the shiat out of someone. Can't think of the name of it, but I used it in my track list for PvPing.

/hates the Horde

Blasphemous Alliance scum ;P


Haha!!!
 
2014-02-07 07:15:05 PM  

Salmon: Seeing them in Vancouver on the 28th.


Seattle on the 1st

/for my birthday
//it's like an omen
///made of tin
 
2014-02-07 07:57:40 PM  
I'll lift a pint for you.

Neknomination to Smothered Hopes.
 
2014-02-08 01:15:11 AM  
Skinny Puppy fan of 20 years here!
It'd make sense, because many of their songs are against military violence ('VX Gas Attack' comes to mind) and about all sorts of atrocities of the time. It just stuns me that SP is actually in a news headline here, and that the military would use their music to torture people (well, considering that radical Muslim extremists would definitely see it as music coming straight out of the devil's mouth) is a trip in and of itself.

They did this with Deicide's music years back, and all Glen Benton said was 'Awesome!'.

PS, anyone else hear heard SP's 'Weapon' album?
 
2014-02-08 01:44:31 AM  

kling_klang_bed: Skinny Puppy fan of 20 years here!
It'd make sense, because many of their songs are against military violence ('VX Gas Attack' comes to mind) and about all sorts of atrocities of the time. It just stuns me that SP is actually in a news headline here, and that the military would use their music to torture people (well, considering that radical Muslim extremists would definitely see it as music coming straight out of the devil's mouth) is a trip in and of itself.

They did this with Deicide's music years back, and all Glen Benton said was 'Awesome!'.

PS, anyone else hear heard SP's 'Weapon' album?


Great album! Missed them due to work commitments on January 31 here in Dallas, I've seen them plenty of times though, always a fun show, that assaults one's eardrums.
 
2014-02-08 01:59:24 AM  

skyshooter: kling_klang_bed: Skinny Puppy fan of 20 years here!
It'd make sense, because many of their songs are against military violence ('VX Gas Attack' comes to mind) and about all sorts of atrocities of the time. It just stuns me that SP is actually in a news headline here, and that the military would use their music to torture people (well, considering that radical Muslim extremists would definitely see it as music coming straight out of the devil's mouth) is a trip in and of itself.

They did this with Deicide's music years back, and all Glen Benton said was 'Awesome!'.

PS, anyone else hear heard SP's 'Weapon' album?

Great album! Missed them due to work commitments on January 31 here in Dallas, I've seen them plenty of times though, always a fun show, that assaults one's eardrums.


I still remember back in '97, I got 'Ain't It Dead' on my girlfriend's suggestion. Wooooooooooooah............. that album went way beyond what I thought music was and could be. And thus a months long spree of getting all their CD's! (hey, I had enough allowance to get one CD a week, and DLing was unheard of at that time).
Had the chance to interview Cevin Key about 'The Dragon Experience' CD, but sadly (and unsadly), by the time I got the questions to him, SP was a few days away from touring for 'Greater Wrong Of The Right'.

Sadly, never seen them live. :-(
 
2014-02-08 02:21:17 AM  

Wake Up Sheeple: They should challenge the US government to a breakdancing competiti

give me doughnuts: The article is pretty information-free.
What alleged copyright violations took place?
Is the band claiming that the songs played at the Guantanamo Bay prison were unlawfully downloaded?
Are they claiming there is an implied obligation that their musin not be played at an unwilling audience?

What harm did Skinny Puppy suffer that needs to be redressed?


Eh, it's publicity, I think the number amount says that much. It'd be so ridiculously expensive to try to go through with a federal lawsuit. Couldn't the US government send Bieber and Carlie Ray Simon off to Canada (and soon send them off into the Northern parts of the Bellary Islands), and we get Skinny Puppy, Rush, Into Eternity, Anvil, Frontline Assembly, and good maple syrup in return?
 
2014-02-08 03:14:46 AM  
I'm seeing them when they come to Denver in a couple of weeks.  The 24th I think, need to check the tix.
 
2014-02-08 12:51:51 PM  
Did the military steal the CD or MP3?

No?

Then EFF Off!
 
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