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2014-02-06 06:39:28 PM
Operation Plowshare-an Army project that sought to determine whether nuclear bombs could be used for "peaceful," non-combat purposes. For example, why not use a bomb to carry out the excavation of a reservoir, or an open pit mine?

static3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-02-06 08:10:40 PM
That's really cool and really sad all at the same time.

Nevada looks like a greasy teenager working the fryer at McDonald's.
 
2014-02-06 08:25:27 PM
I think anyone with google maps or earth has already checked those out.
 
2014-02-06 08:57:03 PM
I want some trinitite
 
2014-02-06 09:27:56 PM
WHAR is unobtanium, WHAR?
 
2014-02-06 09:31:27 PM
I see Nevada had the Volcano burrito dinner box as too.
 
2014-02-06 10:05:43 PM
I live 90 miles from that Sedan crater and the rest of the test site. Hell if not for sage and rabbit brush the whole of this area would look like the moon minus the craters. the test site just has the craters too.
 
2014-02-06 10:11:39 PM
Just think some of those holes killed John Wayne.
 
2014-02-06 10:18:54 PM

phlegmmo: Operation Plowshare-an Army project that sought to determine whether nuclear bombs could be used for "peaceful," non-combat purposes. For example, why not use a bomb to carry out the excavation of a reservoir, or an open pit mine?

[static3.wikia.nocookie.net image 555x417]


IIRC, in the USSR, small nukes HAVE been used to clear explosive gases out of mines... and then miners were sent down the next day without being told.
 
2014-02-06 10:32:25 PM

lokisbong: I live 90 miles from that Sedan crater and the rest of the test site. Hell if not for sage and rabbit brush the whole of this area would look like the moon minus the craters. the test site just has the craters too.


Do you work for XX# or XYZ, because I think I recognize you. Seriously.
 
2014-02-06 10:36:11 PM
Mister Peejay:

IIRC, in the USSR, small nukes HAVE been used to clear explosive gases out of mines... and then miners were sent down the next day without being told.


Nice.
 
2014-02-06 10:49:13 PM

knbwhite: lokisbong: I live 90 miles from that Sedan crater and the rest of the test site. Hell if not for sage and rabbit brush the whole of this area would look like the moon minus the craters. the test site just has the craters too.

Do you work for XX# or XYZ, because I think I recognize you. Seriously.


Nope just a burger flipper.
 
2014-02-06 11:06:21 PM
It's been a few years since I stayed in town passing through to Tahoe.  Probably have eaten in every place in town that was open then.  Kinda liked Ciscos.
 
2014-02-06 11:13:14 PM

knbwhite: It's been a few years since I stayed in town passing through to Tahoe.  Probably have eaten in every place in town that was open then.  Kinda liked Ciscos.


Almost a third of the restaurants have closed in the last year or so...no McDs and the best place in town Sidewinders closed to. Ciscos will be open for a long time I think.
 
2014-02-06 11:31:11 PM
Operation Plowshare is the dumbest idea that anyone in any country at any time in history has ever had.
 
2014-02-06 11:39:04 PM
Obviously not as impressive, but in my younger days we used to often fly out of Wewak (a town in Papua New Guinea). I always enjoyed looking out the window down at the many WW2 bomb craters around the runway.
 
2014-02-06 11:59:40 PM
static4.wikia.nocookie.net
Vegas is still pretty nice, provided you have the caps.
 
2014-02-07 12:13:44 AM

Hollie Maea: Operation Plowshare is the dumbest idea that anyone in any country at any time in history has ever had.


I can't vouch for how much radiation got released at the time, but I have spent a few minutes looking over the edge of Sedan crater and it's just a big hole.  The idea of making harbors and canals and such I think are not so dumb.  They tested ideas and gained a lot of knowledge about defense from nukes too.  I don't think they ever proved if you can hug your kids with nuclear arms or not though.

FWIW, I know several guys who worked at the test site for years and some are still working in their 70s.
 
2014-02-07 12:16:06 AM

knbwhite: Hollie Maea: Operation Plowshare is the dumbest idea that anyone in any country at any time in history has ever had.

I can't vouch for how much radiation got released at the time, but I have spent a few minutes looking over the edge of Sedan crater and it's just a big hole.  The idea of making harbors and canals and such I think are not so dumb.  They tested ideas and gained a lot of knowledge about defense from nukes too.  I don't think they ever proved if you can hug your kids with nuclear arms or not though.

FWIW, I know several guys who worked at the test site for years and some are still working in their 70s.


Dude, they wanted to blast a canal through the Rockies. It would have been tens of thousands of bombs.
 
2014-02-07 12:19:00 AM
On one of those tests they had the shaft capped with a metal plate. There's a single frame of the very high-speed film they took of the blast...they estimated the cap was going faster than orbital escape velocity and likely melted before going very far.
 
2014-02-07 12:34:45 AM

Sergeant Grumbles: [static4.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x531]
Vegas is still pretty nice, provided you have the caps.


I was so disappointed that there wasn't a DLC that took you to the test site or to the Yucca Mountain facility.  They even had a few lines in there about people hearing something massive moving in the depths of the Yucca Mountain tunnels.  I always wanted to find out what it was and shoot it, repeatedly.
 
2014-02-07 12:49:44 AM

yukichigai: I was so disappointed that there wasn't a DLC that took you to the test site or to the Yucca Mountain facility. They even had a few lines in there about people hearing something massive moving in the depths of the Yucca Mountain tunnels. I always wanted to find out what it was and shoot it, repeatedly.


I missed those references. Just picked it up on a Steam sale over Christmas and have finally gotten around to playing it.
I'm kinda pissed Gun Runner's Arsenal just seems to be a bunch of guns with (GRA) after them that makes weapon modding exceedingly tedious.

Are there companions better than ED-E and Boone? Spotter and Sensors is just so frickin' useful, especially now that I have a bunch of scoped rifles.
 
2014-02-07 12:51:22 AM

twistedmetal: I think anyone with google maps or earth has already checked those out.


I hadn't, but don't be too hard on yourself. We all make mistakes.
 
2014-02-07 01:05:35 AM

yukichigai: Sergeant Grumbles: [static4.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x531]
Vegas is still pretty nice, provided you have the caps.

I was so disappointed that there wasn't a DLC that took you to the test site or to the Yucca Mountain facility.  They even had a few lines in there about people hearing something massive moving in the depths of the Yucca Mountain tunnels.  I always wanted to find out what it was and shoot it, repeatedly.


Probably a huge farking cazador
 
2014-02-07 01:24:00 AM

Sergeant Grumbles: yukichigai: I was so disappointed that there wasn't a DLC that took you to the test site or to the Yucca Mountain facility. They even had a few lines in there about people hearing something massive moving in the depths of the Yucca Mountain tunnels. I always wanted to find out what it was and shoot it, repeatedly.

I missed those references. Just picked it up on a Steam sale over Christmas and have finally gotten around to playing it.
I'm kinda pissed Gun Runner's Arsenal just seems to be a bunch of guns with (GRA) after them that makes weapon modding exceedingly tedious.

Are there companions better than ED-E and Boone? Spotter and Sensors is just so frickin' useful, especially now that I have a bunch of scoped rifles.


Cass is a veritable powerhouse of damage, outdoing even Boone in terms of what she can dish out if you complete her companion quest so she has the Hand of Vengeance perk (ups her Guns-skill damage).  There's also a glitch where you can get her BOTH companion perks, boosting her health by 50 points AND giving her the +15% Gun Damage.  Combine that with surplus rounds for any guns you give her (companion-held weapons don't degrade) and she can destroy nearly anything.  Atop that, having her as a companion removes all negative effects of all alcohols, including addiction, and turns Whiskey into a temporary DT boost item, one which scales the higher your Survival skill is and stacks with most other DT boost effects.

The funny part is, Cass was supposed to be even more brokenly OP: unlike every other companion, originally her three tag skills were all combat skills (guns, explosives, melee).  I can't even imagine what she'd be like backing me up with a Grenade Launcher and the like.

As far as ED-E vs. Rex though, ED-E wins hands down just in the base game.  Then you add in Lonesome Road, which gives him the ability to function as a mobile crafting station AND energy ammo source and the comparison isn't even fair.  Compare that to Rex, who loses his shiat if you don't take off any headwear before trying to interact with him, and whose "highlight containers with stuff in them" perk triggers on things holding hidden items you can't pick up, e.g. hidden weapons for creatures.

Anyway, a final note: there are several mods on the New Vegas Nexus which remove the retarded "GRA" tag from weapons and the like added by Gun Runner's Arsenal, along with more that go so far as to integrating them into the main game and merging them with their base game versions.  You might look at that... and while you're there, pick up the bug fix compilation I maintain (it's called YUP).
 
2014-02-07 01:26:16 AM

theorellior: Just think some of those holes killed John Wayne.


And probably Richard Feynman and Robert Heinlein. Just think, if there had been some paranoia about fall out these people would still be dead.

/It'll never get better if you keep picking at it.
 
2014-02-07 01:37:03 AM

Hollie Maea: knbwhite: Hollie Maea: Operation Plowshare is the dumbest idea that anyone in any country at any time in history has ever had.

I can't vouch for how much radiation got released at the time, but I have spent a few minutes looking over the edge of Sedan crater and it's just a big hole.  The idea of making harbors and canals and such I think are not so dumb.  They tested ideas and gained a lot of knowledge about defense from nukes too.  I don't think they ever proved if you can hug your kids with nuclear arms or not though.

FWIW, I know several guys who worked at the test site for years and some are still working in their 70s.

Dude, they wanted to blast a canal through the Rockies. It would have been tens of thousands of bombs.


But you'd be able to get H2O all the way from the great lakes to LA
 
2014-02-07 01:39:51 AM

phlegmmo: Operation Plowshare-an Army project that sought to determine whether nuclear bombs could be used for "peaceful," non-combat purposes. For example, why not use a bomb to carry out the excavation of a reservoir, or an open pit mine?


The biggest problem with something like that is do you REALLY want private companies without the resources of the Imperial Federal govt having thier hands on NUKES? I mean picture if Tim McViegh had a stolen Fat Man in a Ryder truck instead of Amonium Nitrate?
 
2014-02-07 03:01:47 AM

Practical_Draconian: yukichigai: Sergeant Grumbles: [static4.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x531]
Vegas is still pretty nice, provided you have the caps.

I was so disappointed that there wasn't a DLC that took you to the test site or to the Yucca Mountain facility.  They even had a few lines in there about people hearing something massive moving in the depths of the Yucca Mountain tunnels.  I always wanted to find out what it was and shoot it, repeatedly.

Probably a huge farking cazador


Gah, fark those things so hard.  The re-vitalized truly OP Deathclaws were deadly enough, but to have something MORE deadly than Deathclaws hovering just a few seconds trek from Startville is awful.  That atop the "good luck hitting us" movement speed that forces you to use VATS.
 
2014-02-07 03:03:29 AM

Mister Peejay: phlegmmo: Operation Plowshare-an Army project that sought to determine whether nuclear bombs could be used for "peaceful," non-combat purposes. For example, why not use a bomb to carry out the excavation of a reservoir, or an open pit mine?

[static3.wikia.nocookie.net image 555x417]

IIRC, in the USSR, small nukes HAVE been used to clear explosive gases out of mines... and then miners were sent down the next day without being told.


The Soviets had their own version of Operation Plowshare, and in the most well-known detonation of the program, Chagan, they dammed a river using an atomic bomb. Granted, no one could use the new reservoir due to the radiation emitted, so let's call it a draw.

This is one plan the US considered:
upload.wikimedia.org

/Hell, Canada considered using atomic weapons to exploit the Athabasca Tar Sands
//where they'd get them is an entirely separate issue
 
2014-02-07 03:05:27 AM

phlegmmo: Operation Plowshare-an Army project that sought to determine whether nuclear bombs could be used for "peaceful," non-combat purposes. For example, why not use a bomb to carry out the excavation of a reservoir, or an open pit mine?

[static3.wikia.nocookie.net image 555x417]


The official name for this concept: Peaceful Nuclear Explosions (PNEs).
 
2014-02-07 03:22:33 AM

yukichigai: Practical_Draconian: yukichigai: Sergeant Grumbles: [static4.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x531]
Vegas is still pretty nice, provided you have the caps.

I was so disappointed that there wasn't a DLC that took you to the test site or to the Yucca Mountain facility.  They even had a few lines in there about people hearing something massive moving in the depths of the Yucca Mountain tunnels.  I always wanted to find out what it was and shoot it, repeatedly.

Probably a huge farking cazador

Gah, fark those things so hard.  The re-vitalized truly OP Deathclaws were deadly enough, but to have something MORE deadly than Deathclaws hovering just a few seconds trek from Startville is awful.  That atop the "good luck hitting us" movement speed that forces you to use VATS.


Energy weapons, that perk that causes chain explosions on crits and kills, and something with rapid fire. Just keep distance.

Also, don't have Arcade Gannon waste railgun ammo on them, mistake I made while undertaking his quest.
 
2014-02-07 04:02:39 AM

Hollie Maea: knbwhite: Hollie Maea: Operation Plowshare is the dumbest idea that anyone in any country at any time in history has ever had.

I can't vouch for how much radiation got released at the time, but I have spent a few minutes looking over the edge of Sedan crater and it's just a big hole.  The idea of making harbors and canals and such I think are not so dumb.  They tested ideas and gained a lot of knowledge about defense from nukes too.  I don't think they ever proved if you can hug your kids with nuclear arms or not though.

FWIW, I know several guys who worked at the test site for years and some are still working in their 70s.

Dude, they wanted to blast a canal through the Rockies. It would have been tens of thousands of bombs.


In the early eighties some nut job running for mayor of Anchorage wanted to use nukes to melt glaciers so you could build a highway to Juneau.
 
2014-02-07 04:42:29 AM

Practical_Draconian: yukichigai: Practical_Draconian: yukichigai: Sergeant Grumbles: [static4.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x531]
Vegas is still pretty nice, provided you have the caps.

I was so disappointed that there wasn't a DLC that took you to the test site or to the Yucca Mountain facility.  They even had a few lines in there about people hearing something massive moving in the depths of the Yucca Mountain tunnels.  I always wanted to find out what it was and shoot it, repeatedly.

Probably a huge farking cazador

Gah, fark those things so hard.  The re-vitalized truly OP Deathclaws were deadly enough, but to have something MORE deadly than Deathclaws hovering just a few seconds trek from Startville is awful.  That atop the "good luck hitting us" movement speed that forces you to use VATS.

Energy weapons, that perk that causes chain explosions on crits and kills, and something with rapid fire. Just keep distance.

Also, don't have Arcade Gannon waste railgun ammo on them, mistake I made while undertaking his quest.


I usually just find something with a limb damage modifier and take out their wings from afar while my companion du jour tears into them with something loaded with surplus rounds (extra 15% damage).  At least until I get my hands on a Gauss Rifle, the Your Console Sucks, or something loaded with .45-70 Gov't.

They still suck though.  Their movement speed is too damn fast for an FPS, at least in the numbers they appear in.
 
2014-02-07 06:09:53 AM

Prey4reign: WHAR is unobtanium, WHAR?


Here I am. Sorry I'm late.
 
2014-02-07 06:26:31 AM
This film is probably TL;DW for many of us (10 minutes).  Go up to around 3:15 and watch the numbers before the Partial Test Ban Treaty in late 1963. Not nearly as many took place before the full Test Ban in teh 1990's
 
2014-02-07 07:09:55 AM

phlegmmo: Operation Plowshare-an Army project that sought to determine whether nuclear bombs could be used for "peaceful," non-combat purposes. For example, why not use a bomb to carry out the excavation of a reservoir, or an open pit mine?

[static3.wikia.nocookie.net image 555x417]


In the late 40's on up into the 50's no one had a real idea of where nuclear weapons would fit in. Even in warfare where their power was demonstrated in Japan planners simply had no idea of what to do with them. This debate was especially prominent in the Soviet chain of command where, because of their large conventional army, they sought to use Atomic weapons in an offensive capacity. This would lead to the Totskoye test, which was.....lets just say bad for anyone under the rank of general. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totskoye_nuclear_exercise
 
2014-02-07 07:16:35 AM

Hollie Maea: Operation Plowshare is the dumbest idea that anyone in any country at any time in history has ever had.


Not even close
 
2014-02-07 07:48:58 AM
Paris1127:
/Hell, Canada considered using atomic weapons to exploit the Athabasca Tar Sands
//where they'd get them is an entirely separate issue


Why do you assume they wouldn't just build them?  The CANDU, makes beautiful weapons grade material.  Or at least my Indian friends say so...

/Materials, ability, manufacturing, engineering.  Canada's got all they need.
 
2014-02-07 08:26:45 AM
FTA: It spewed 12 million tons of dust into the atmosphere, creating a 300-foot-deep hole and shooting two separate plums of nuclear fallout thousands of feet into the air.

img.izismile.com
 
2014-02-07 09:20:50 AM

yukichigai: Practical_Draconian: yukichigai: Practical_Draconian: yukichigai: Sergeant Grumbles: [static4.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x531]
Vegas is still pretty nice, provided you have the caps.

I was so disappointed that there wasn't a DLC that took you to the test site or to the Yucca Mountain facility.  They even had a few lines in there about people hearing something massive moving in the depths of the Yucca Mountain tunnels.  I always wanted to find out what it was and shoot it, repeatedly.

Probably a huge farking cazador

Gah, fark those things so hard.  The re-vitalized truly OP Deathclaws were deadly enough, but to have something MORE deadly than Deathclaws hovering just a few seconds trek from Startville is awful.  That atop the "good luck hitting us" movement speed that forces you to use VATS.

Energy weapons, that perk that causes chain explosions on crits and kills, and something with rapid fire. Just keep distance.

Also, don't have Arcade Gannon waste railgun ammo on them, mistake I made while undertaking his quest.

I usually just find something with a limb damage modifier and take out their wings from afar while my companion du jour tears into them with something loaded with surplus rounds (extra 15% damage).  At least until I get my hands on a Gauss Rifle, the Your Console Sucks, or something loaded with .45-70 Gov't.

They still suck though.  Their movement speed is too damn fast for an FPS, at least in the numbers they appear in.


Dinner Bell loaded with 4/0 Magnum Hand Load. Aim for the wings, then when they go to ground and start skittering, aim for the head. Or the Brush Gun loaded with .45/70 SWC.
 
2014-02-07 10:45:08 AM

Driedsponge: Hollie Maea: Operation Plowshare is the dumbest idea that anyone in any country at any time in history has ever had.

Not even close


Holy fark. I knew there were all sorts of batshiat crazy ideas tossed about during the Cold War, but a nuclear ramjet cruise missile takes the cake.
 
2014-02-07 11:25:05 AM
SILLY ASSES

by Issac Asimov
1957 Columbia Publications, Inc.



Naron of the long-lived Rigellian race was the fourth of his line to keep the galactic records.
He had a large book which contained the list of the numerous races throughout the galaxies that had developed intelligence, and the much smaller book that listed those races that had reached maturity and had qualified for the Galactic Federation. In the first book, a number of those listed were crossed out; those that, for one reason or another, had failed. Misfortune, biochemical or biophysical shortcomings, social maladjustment took their toll. In the smaller book, however, no member listed had yet blanked out.
And now Naron, large and incredibly ancient, looked up as a messenger approached.
Naron, said the messenger. Great One!
Well, well, what is it? Less ceremony.
Another group of organisms has attained maturity.
Excellent. Excellent. They are coming up quickly now. Scarcely a year passes without a new one. And who are these?
The messenger gave the code number of the galaxy and the coordinates of the world within it.
Ah, yes, said Naron. I know the world. And in flowing script he noted it in the first book and transferred its name into the second, using, as was customary, the name by which the planet was known to the largest fraction of its populace. He wrote: Earth.
He said, These new creatures have set a record. No other group has passed from intelligence to maturity so quickly. No mistake, I hope.
None, sir, said the messenger.
They have attained to thermonuclear power, have they?
Yes, sir.
Well, thats the criterion. Naron chuckled. And soon their ships will probe out and contact the Federation.
Actually, Great One, said the messenger, reluctantly, the Observers tell us they have yet penetrated space.
Naron was astonished. Not at all? Not even a space station?
Not yet, sir.
But if they have thermonuclear power, where do they conduct the tests and detonations?
On their own planet, sir.
Naron rose to his full twenty feet of height and thundered, On their own planet?
Yes, sir.
Slowly Naron drew out his stylus and passed a line through the latest addition in the small book. It was an unprecedented act, but, then, Naron was very wise and could see the inevitable as well as anyone in the galaxy.
Silly asses, he muttered.
 
2014-02-07 12:06:58 PM

twistedmetal: I think anyone with google maps or earth has already checked those out.


Yup. I'm a Google Earth tourist.
 
2014-02-07 12:53:20 PM

wildcardjack: theorellior: Just think some of those holes killed John Wayne.

And probably Richard Feynman and Robert Heinlein.


Not ever case of cancer is due to radiation, you know.  (And Heinlein died of a heart attack.)
 
2014-02-07 03:26:35 PM

Hollie Maea: Operation Plowshare is the dumbest idea that anyone in any country at any time in history has ever had.


In hindsight? Perhaps, but at the time, Not really.
 
2014-02-07 03:37:47 PM

phlegmmo: Operation Plowshare-an Army project that sought to determine whether nuclear bombs could be used for "peaceful," non-combat purposes. For example, why not use a bomb to carry out the excavation of a reservoir, or an open pit mine?


My father-in-law was active in OP, and actually discussed using a large nuclear bomb to create deep water harbors round Hawaii and along the coasts of the US in the 50's.

Discussed, never did any of it, because the fallout was determined to be too large over populated areas.
/The blast would have been OK though.
 
2014-02-07 04:11:51 PM

Cerebral Knievel: Hollie Maea: Operation Plowshare is the dumbest idea that anyone in any country at any time in history has ever had.

In hindsight? Perhaps, but at the time, Not really.


What does this even mean?  You can't count an idea as dumb if the people who came up with it thought it was a good idea at the time?  Then there are no "dumb ideas".

And yes, there was enough information available at the time to label it a dumb idea.
 
2014-02-07 08:12:03 PM

Ambitwistor: wildcardjack: theorellior: Just think some of those holes killed John Wayne.

And probably Richard Feynman and Robert Heinlein.

Not ever case of cancer is due to radiation, you know.  (And Heinlein died of a heart attack.)


Ah, I thought Heinlein had a blood disease ala Leukemia as the reason he was interested in the rare blood disease foundation.

Feynman wrote about watching Trinity through the glass of a truck cab. He worked more with the math, but was also responsible for making visits to Oak Ridge for consults.

Either way, I was making more the point that it's been about 30 years in each case. Even without cancer or smoking they'd probably all be dead by now.
 
2014-02-08 12:09:24 AM
 
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