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2014-02-06 07:15:15 PM

JerkStore: How are people STILL making mistakes like this? Sure, maybe political correctness has gone too far in some cases, but this is right up there with blackface and Little Black Sambo cartoons. What jumped-up marionette of a school administrator thought this was a good idea?


This was my exact thought. How the hell in 2014 are people still this oblivious? It's baffling to me. If this was just one jackass with a crappy sense of humor who created this as a stupid and insensitive joke, that would be one thing, but this had to have been seen by more than one person. NOBODY raised an index finger into the air and interrupted this foolishness at any point?
 
2014-02-06 07:17:22 PM
I need more information about the people who actually planned the menu before calling this an overtly racist act.
 
2014-02-06 07:18:36 PM
We're in a pretty diverse, educated area, but the elementary school my son goes to decided that they would have a Mexican celebration day last year. Aside from a Messican themed lunch, they encouraged the kids to don fake mustaches... For some reason, idunno. CSB.
 
2014-02-06 07:19:10 PM

LemSkroob: In various places, Italy, Austria, etc, places would feature "American Pizza" which was pizza with toppings like corn, peas, and bits of hot dog.  I guess they figured anything that is considered an american food must be something they can put on a pizza.


I had a pizza in Amsterdam once. The crust was like a cracker and it had whole, black UNPITTED olives on it. Good thing I eat my pizza with a knife and fork or I could have ended up chipping a tooth.
 
2014-02-06 07:20:08 PM

wildcardjack: I'd be more impressed if they did a historically accurate plantation meal.


Now I'm not trying to say here that slaves had good eats, but basically any tripe or tough cut of meat that has to be slow cooked today can trace its origins back to slavery... and they can be pretty damn tasty. Most soul food is variations on these "make do" ingredients, and cornmeal was a staple given out to slaves along with some bacon or fatback. So while you probably shouldn't add the watermelon to that original lunch, fried chicken and cornbread in and of itself isn't too offensive.
 
2014-02-06 07:21:12 PM
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2014-02-06 07:21:28 PM
They could have done this cool, with just a little effort. Feature it as a historical lesson - a menu of traditional African - American cuisine, and actually do it right.
Instead, they did it as a stupid and tasteless joke, and used phoney racist stereotyped food items.
So, once again, an insensitive dumbass ruins things for everybody by being stupid.
And said stupid dumbasses apologists cry "political correctness!"
 
2014-02-06 07:22:54 PM

nighble: We're in a pretty diverse, educated area, but the elementary school my son goes to decided that they would have a Mexican celebration day last year. Aside from a Messican themed lunch, they encouraged the kids to don fake mustaches... For some reason, idunno. CSB.


OK, now THAT is offensive.
 
2014-02-06 07:23:42 PM
FTFA:  "Principal Nancy Libby wrote that the items were taken off of the menu and that the school doesn't perpetrate racial stereotypes. Libby also wrote the school will hold a diversity assembly."

I'm betting that their assembly will include a mock slave auction.  You know, to honor history and stuff.

/morans
 
2014-02-06 07:24:10 PM
This is nothing a little Soul Train couldn't smooth over.
 
2014-02-06 07:24:11 PM
www.vibevixen.com
 
2014-02-06 07:25:27 PM

fusillade762: LemSkroob: In various places, Italy, Austria, etc, places would feature "American Pizza" which was pizza with toppings like corn, peas, and bits of hot dog.  I guess they figured anything that is considered an american food must be something they can put on a pizza.

I had a pizza in Amsterdam once. The crust was like a cracker and it had whole, black UNPITTED olives on it. Good thing I eat my pizza with a knife and fork or I could have ended up chipping a tooth.


I had pizza in Turkey. It had mutton and green olives on it.
 
2014-02-06 07:27:00 PM

Pointy Tail of Satan: Black eyed peas....and the General's own HOT Sauce!


I LOVE that movie.

/"it's called, um... Roots?"
 
2014-02-06 07:27:05 PM
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Every time I come in the kitchen, you in the kitchen. In the goddamn refrigerator. Eatin' up all the food. All the fois gras... All the endive... All the capers!... All the razor clams. I wanna eat them capers!... I like Pruneaux d'Agen!
 
2014-02-06 07:27:43 PM

vudukungfu: Fark that.
You put some collard greens, alligator ribs, hog jowls, black eyed peas, hominy grits, and some chitin's on that menu and we'll talk.


And some chitlin's what?
 
2014-02-06 07:30:51 PM

freetomato: I had pizza in Turkey. It had mutton and green olives on it.


I like when places crack an egg on it, but I can't bring myself to do that to my Papa John's.
 
2014-02-06 07:31:20 PM
Really did no one any where along the line in the planning process not realize it was bad idea?

Nothing  wrong with the menu even in that combination but not in honor of black History month.
 
2014-02-06 07:34:05 PM
The stereotypes are a result of rational practical decisions by blacks coping with a racist country.

If you were black and worked on the road, or in an area where most of the available food was located in whites-only establishments, you had to bring your own food.  and food like fried chicken was known not to spoil quickly through lack of refrigeration.

Maybe kids learn that kind of menu is because some people were dicks to other as opposed to being a a kind of dog-whistle of being lower class, it might actually be educational.
 
2014-02-06 07:34:16 PM

Lorelle: nighble: We're in a pretty diverse, educated area, but the elementary school my son goes to decided that they would have a Mexican celebration day last year. Aside from a Messican themed lunch, they encouraged the kids to don fake mustaches... For some reason, idunno. CSB.

OK, now THAT is offensive.


They should have the girls don the fake mustaches on Columbus day.
 
2014-02-06 07:37:20 PM

vudukungfu: Fark that.
You put some collard greens, alligator ribs, hog jowls, black eyed peas, hominy grits, and some chitin's on that menu and we'll talk.


How are chitlins?  I've never actually had them.  I've had Chinese braised pork intestines and deep fried pork intestines, I've had menudo, but never American style chitlins.

I hate collard greens and black eyed peas.
 
2014-02-06 07:39:06 PM
soul food ain't nothing but good country cooking regardless of the melanin content of your skin

gimme some black eyed peas with bacon and chitlins please
 
2014-02-06 07:41:20 PM
The whole fried chicken/watermelon/okra/collard greens being "black food" is a northern stereotype. In the South white people eat that too.
 
2014-02-06 07:41:27 PM

Etchy333: nekom: Are stereotypes about liking a particular food even harmful?  Seriously, I'm whiter than sour cream and I love fried chicken and watermelon.  Is it somehow bad to be thought of as someone who would eat such things?

This article does a good job of summing up both fried chicken and watermelon issues:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2013/05/22/186087397/where-did-t ha t-fried-chicken-stereotype-come-from

It's a code, and it depends on context.  The big issue is that it's about the power dynamic.  It's been historically used by people to describe another group of people.  It would be like if you went to Europe, and they said "Oh, I know what all Americans like," and they brought out a bunch of packaged junk food.



It would be like that if Europeans had enslaved Americans, then demeaned, belittled and oppressed them for decades both legally and culturally all while making caricature laden media of their American underclass eating junk food.
 
2014-02-06 07:42:42 PM

DarkVader: vudukungfu: Fark that.
You put some collard greens, alligator ribs, hog jowls, black eyed peas, hominy grits, and some chitin's on that menu and we'll talk.

How are chitlins?  I've never actually had them.  I've had Chinese braised pork intestines and deep fried pork intestines, I've had menudo, but never American style chitlins.

I hate collard greens and black eyed peas.


When I moved to Georgia I had a guy tell me to try chitlins, but make sure they weren't stump-slung (cleaned out by whacking them against a stump). I haven't felt the need to try them, stump slung or otherwise. Too many other tasty parts of the pig.

There is a place near me that has the best fried chicken (and all the accoutrements) as well as banana pudding and biscuits. An elderly black woman owns it. If I wouldn't become big as a house, I would eat there a lot more than I do. I have to wear stretchy pants when I eat there.
 
2014-02-06 07:43:20 PM

Elegy: If you listen closely, northerners that love to talk about how much they hate the south are just using "the south" as a dog whistle for their own prejudice against blacks. To put it bluntly, if someone hates the south then they're probably a racist.


The first thing that comes to mind when I think about "the south" is gun totin' yeehaw white boys in pickup trucks.
 
2014-02-06 07:43:57 PM

TheDirtyNacho: It would be like that if Europeans had enslaved Americans, then demeaned, belittled and oppressed them for decades both legally and culturally all while making caricature laden media of their American underclass eating junk food.


Like a Spaniard giving a Mexican a burrito?
 
2014-02-06 07:45:52 PM

DarkVader: How are chitlins? I've never actually had them.


If you prepare and cook them right, it's similar to calamari in texture and tone, but not quite. If you prepare and cook them wrong, they taste like rank, chewy asshole. Either way you want to burn down the house afterwards from the smell they give off while boiling.
 
2014-02-06 07:49:29 PM
One, the school should be ashamed.

Two, I really want some fried chicken now.
 
2014-02-06 07:50:08 PM
That's OK - I was forced yesterday to explain the reason why we don't use "Rambo", "Mambo", and "Sambo" as string literals in code to someone, and that, no, you can't send out that slide deck.
 
2014-02-06 07:51:28 PM
I still don't understand sucking on crawfish heads. I was hoping to garner some insight into this practice from the article, but alas I did not.
 
2014-02-06 07:53:03 PM

Etchy333: nekom: Are stereotypes about liking a particular food even harmful?  Seriously, I'm whiter than sour cream and I love fried chicken and watermelon.  Is it somehow bad to be thought of as someone who would eat such things?

This article does a good job of summing up both fried chicken and watermelon issues:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2013/05/22/186087397/where-did-t ha t-fried-chicken-stereotype-come-from

It's a code, and it depends on context.  The big issue is that it's about the power dynamic.  It's been historically used by people to describe another group of people.  It would be like if you went to Europe, and they said "Oh, I know what all Americans like," and they brought out a bunch of packaged junk food.


I actually didn't know that.  I frankly haven't understood it.  It would seem to me growing up in a rural area as a white kid that we ate chicken, watermelon, etc all the time in summer.  I always figured then that it extended to collard greens, catfish, biscuits, and all manner of southern cooking.  Frankly never understood it.  I didn't realize it had a specific root to chicken.

/not black
//not from the south
 
2014-02-06 07:56:37 PM
Guess we better shut down that Soul Food tasting hosted by the African American Association on base.  They're clearly racist for serving such stereotypical food.
 
2014-02-06 07:57:23 PM
Those of you who honestly don't know what the deal is with the fried chicken stereotype:  READ.
 
2014-02-06 08:01:38 PM

Etchy333:  It would be like if you went to Europe, and they said "Oh, I know what all Americans like," and they brought out a bunch of packaged junk food.


You mean "accurate"?
 
2014-02-06 08:03:02 PM

ramblinwreck: Guess we better shut down that Soul Food tasting hosted by the African American Association on base.  They're clearly racist for serving such stereotypical food.


This.  I went to a lunchon given by a group of African-American Marines one February.  We had fried chicken, fried catfish, fried okra, collard greens, black eyed peas, corn bread, and Kool-Aid, with watermelon for dessert.  Were they horrible racists?  Should I have refused to eat the food?
 
2014-02-06 08:07:42 PM

JerkStore: How are people STILL making mistakes like this? Sure, maybe political correctness has gone too far in some cases, but this is right up there with blackface and Little Black Sambo cartoons. What jumped-up marionette of a school administrator thought this was a good idea?


Exactly! No more turkey on Thanksgiving!
 
2014-02-06 08:10:42 PM

dundapig: [www.vibevixen.com image 568x330]


niiiiiiiiice. +1
 
2014-02-06 08:11:44 PM

Richard C Stanford: My family always eats collard greens and black eyed peas on New Years.


mine, too
 
2014-02-06 08:14:51 PM
I want four fried chickens and a coke.
And some dry white toast, please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGXU7268Z50
 
2014-02-06 08:21:17 PM
I wonder how many black families cared enough to complain, or whether it was white people being outraged on their behalf.
 
2014-02-06 08:22:23 PM

Herb Utsmelz: poonesfarm: What, no Kool-Aid or grape soda?

And a menthol cig afterwards.


A Newport

/cost fiddy cent
 
2014-02-06 08:27:42 PM

Poot beer: Herb Utsmelz: poonesfarm: What, no Kool-Aid or grape soda?

And a menthol cig afterwards.

A Newport

/cost fiddy cent


... and NO ICE!!!!
 
2014-02-06 08:28:19 PM
I am similarly offended when spaghetti is served in October or potatoes in March or tacos in September. Schools should really know better by now.

It's 2014, people. Your culinary racism isn't appropriate. I don't care how tasty something is, you can't eat it during the month honoring the ethnic group you stereotype it as being associated with. It's just not ok anymore.
 
2014-02-06 08:29:48 PM

That Guy Jeff: parents became offended.

I'm putting forward a World Resolution. Anytime this sentence describes a situation the situation is summarily ignored.


and.. Seconded.
 
2014-02-06 08:30:06 PM
armor helix: I still don't understand sucking on crawfish heads. I was hoping to garner some insight into this practice from the article, but alas I did not.

It is no great mystery. You cook the crawfish live, like lobster. The crawfish boil ingredients work their way up into the brains during the 45 minutes or so that they cook. The crawfish brains mixed with the flavor of the rest of the ingredients is quite tasty.. So people suck the heads to titillate their tastebuds.
 
2014-02-06 08:37:32 PM
Well here's one thing you won't like, Private Snowball: They don't serve fried chicken and watermelon on a daily basis in my mess hall.

varmitydog: armor helix: I still don't understand sucking on crawfish heads. I was hoping to garner some insight into this practice from the article, but alas I did not.

It is no great mystery. You cook the crawfish live, like lobster. The crawfish boil ingredients work their way up into the brains during the 45 minutes or so that they cook. The crawfish brains mixed with the flavor of the rest of the ingredients is quite tasty.. So people suck the heads to titillate their tastebuds.


This is all true but the 45 minutes or so part, unless "or so" means "or half that".  The heads are damned tasty, though.  Spicy...and a little sweet.  (Eeeewwww/YUM!)
 
2014-02-06 08:38:59 PM

Facetious_Speciest: I am similarly offended when spaghetti is served in October or potatoes in March or tacos in September. Schools should really know better by now.

It's 2014, people. Your culinary racism isn't appropriate. I don't care how tasty something is, you can't eat it during the month honoring the ethnic group you stereotype it as being associated with. It's just not ok anymore.


I don't think it's so much that it was served during February as that it was explicitly identified as a "black history meal".  If it had just happened to be served one day I don't think anyone would care.

// It took me a while to work out that the fried chicken thing was offensive because it's something you typically eat with your hands and then lick your fingers, e.g. it's associated with eating crudely.  Mainly because where I grew up we fried everything and most of it you ate with a fork... the main greasy shiat you ate with your fingers were kabobs.
 
2014-02-06 08:40:51 PM

scottydoesntknow: Ohh c'mon, I mean it's not like they tried to serve fried chicken and wate-

But when the school announced a menu of fried chicken, cornbread and watermelon, other students and parents became offended.

Well, shiat.

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Oblig?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0mE745qmNE
 
2014-02-06 08:41:42 PM
Sounds good to me.

Good old southern food? Yes please.

"Black food"? Not so much.
 
2014-02-06 08:43:18 PM
That's what I had for dinner at Luby's earlier this week.

Damn, I'm racist.
 
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