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2014-02-06 05:57:35 PM

squirrelflavoredyogurt: SubBass49: BTW...the school where I teach feeds over 2,000 kids per day breakfast & lunch for free (entire school population), but the kids waste so much of it that the seagulls fly about 20+ miles from the coast at lunch time to scavenge the utter waste-field that is left.

/BTW, most of the kids have smart-phones
//Many of the kids have BEATS headphones

...and apparently you think all of them should be treated like responsible adults who should go home and talk to their parents about how they are spending their money. Poor kids generally have uneducated parents who make bad decisions, why would you blame the kids for that?

Kids are kids, we threw away a lot of food back in the 70's too. It sounds to me like you're a teacher who doesn't like the job and resents the kids. Maybe you should look into another profession.

My brother is a teacher, he gets pissed at his kids sometimes. I have to remind him about all the shiat I pulled in school. I turned out OK. I work full time, pay taxes, and I'm not on any type of government assistance.


He/she wasn't blaming the kids. Reread the posts.

Look into another profession? Wow, that escalated quickly. Try to stay on task.

You turned out OK? Good for you. Clearly your anecdotal data is true for all.
 
2014-02-06 05:57:50 PM

TomD9938: rkiller1: So even though the kids had received, continued to receive and will in the future receive free lunches, there is outrage here about military spending and the GOP.
Interesting logic.


Yeah, this thread took a weird turn right out of the gate.

/ my dad would rather have died than to have a stranger pay for my lunch.


Wow, what a guy.
 
2014-02-06 06:00:56 PM

what_now: dpzum1: me wanting to keep what I've earned, not give it to you or the government,

Oh this bullshiat.

You know how you've never been attacked by Vikings? Why do you think that is?


I have an anti-Viking-attack rock.

/it's for sale.
 
2014-02-06 06:07:24 PM

FarkedOver: There's so many people that think they know what socialism is but really have no idea what it is.  Fantastic!


And most of them are the same dopes who think Obama's implementing it.
 
2014-02-06 06:07:31 PM

SubBass49: BTW...the school where I teach feeds over 2,000 kids per day breakfast & lunch for free (entire school population), but the kids waste so much of it that the seagulls fly about 20+ miles from the coast at lunch time to scavenge the utter waste-field that is left.

/BTW, most of the kids have smart-phones
//Many of the kids have BEATS headphones


If that's what it takes to make sure the hungry ones get fed, then I'm cool with it.
 
2014-02-06 06:07:34 PM

shlabotnik: squirrelflavoredyogurt: SubBass49: BTW...the school where I teach feeds over 2,000 kids per day breakfast & lunch for free (entire school population), but the kids waste so much of it that the seagulls fly about 20+ miles from the coast at lunch time to scavenge the utter waste-field that is left.

/BTW, most of the kids have smart-phones
//Many of the kids have BEATS headphones

...and apparently you think all of them should be treated like responsible adults who should go home and talk to their parents about how they are spending their money. Poor kids generally have uneducated parents who make bad decisions, why would you blame the kids for that?

Kids are kids, we threw away a lot of food back in the 70's too. It sounds to me like you're a teacher who doesn't like the job and resents the kids. Maybe you should look into another profession.

My brother is a teacher, he gets pissed at his kids sometimes. I have to remind him about all the shiat I pulled in school. I turned out OK. I work full time, pay taxes, and I'm not on any type of government assistance.

He/she wasn't blaming the kids. Reread the posts.

Look into another profession? Wow, that escalated quickly. Try to stay on task.

You turned out OK? Good for you. Clearly your anecdotal data is true for all.


Funny how he attacked me for not fully analyzing the entire public education and federal food system during my lunch break (1/2 hour), but then used anecdotal evidence of his own experience to somehow generalize the experience of the American public school student.
 
2014-02-06 06:09:07 PM

Rev.K: trappedspirit: Because poor.  I don't understand how you can not understand.

It's just for poor kids?

I thought it was for all kids.

Perhaps I was wrong.


I went to an elementary school for years before accidentally discovering the "breakfast club".  I was like why the fark are they eating breakfast at school.  A teacher told me that some of their families couldn't afford breakfast.  I didn't know what to think about that but I knew those were the weird kids.
 
2014-02-06 06:11:27 PM

rkiller1: Ed Grubermann: And I'm even okay with paying more taxes to make sure that schools get the funding they need for all programs.

Then as an example to us all, you surely volunteer at the local school or at least give them money unconditionally, right?  I mean, if I see you do it, then I promise to follow suit.


Don't let my sloth keep you from doing the Right Thing.
 
2014-02-06 06:16:31 PM

FarkedOver: There's so many people that think they know what socialism is but really have no idea what it is.  Fantastic!


Exactly. When people say that Jesus was socialist, it just exposes them as morons.
 
2014-02-06 06:17:17 PM

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Kids are kids, we threw away a lot of food back in the 70's too. It sounds to me like you're a teacher who doesn't like the job and resents the kids. Maybe you should look into another profession.


What's the matter?  Can't handle reality and/or truth?
 
2014-02-06 06:17:49 PM

El Rich-o: TomD9938: rkiller1: So even though the kids had received, continued to receive and will in the future receive free lunches, there is outrage here about military spending and the GOP.
Interesting logic.


Yeah, this thread took a weird turn right out of the gate.

/ my dad would rather have died than to have a stranger pay for my lunch.

Wow, what a guy.



He was.
 
2014-02-06 06:19:41 PM

rkiller1: Vlad_the_Inaner: rkiller1: ongbok: Why can't the schools just provide free lunch and breakfast to all students? I'm sure the money is there for it. Wouldn't this be better than having hungry kids or school officials punishing kids by embarrassing them because they have poor parents or parents that are inattentive assholes? Trust me, you take it out on a kid because their parent is an asshole, you will end up with a kid who is an asshole.

You may find the answer here

For real?  You think that if kids get a 'free lunch' at school, it's passed on to them in other sneeky ways, like charging them more for beer?

No, you're right. There ARE free lunches, which nobody pays for.
Sorry, my bad.


Yeah, you are bad, not because there are free lunches, because the moral of the story with TANSTASFL is to tell you that when someone offers you a free lunch, you should look for the cost hidden elsewhere.  So you missed the whole point.  So waving a TANSTAFL flag at a hungry kid is farking useless, because kids do not understand costs, much less hidden costs.  All they know is they are hungry.

The only way raising kids makes economic sense is in a pay-it-forward sense.  Yeah, they don't have to pay now.  But yeah, later they'll probably have have to pay it later in life for the next generation of kids who have bad luck.

And because they got benefit of it in the past, they'll probably understand why they are paying in the future.

/Well, except for the ones who become libertarians, because 'Fark you, I got mine!"
 
2014-02-06 06:19:53 PM

WhyteRaven74: Easy solution, just give everyone a free lunch at school.



Strange that food was somehow separated from things like heat, electric, etc.
 
2014-02-06 06:21:16 PM

d23: Isitoveryet: maybe if it weren't for the burden of administrative costs a little bit of the money pumped into our schools could go to feeding the students and more to our teachers!

we feed our soldiers, why not feed our future soldiers?

We don't always feed our former soldiers, though.


Because good soldiers are supposed to die in battle where they're carried into the arms of Republican Jesus at his Neocon Valhalla Party Palace. How else are politicians supposed to shill 'em out for votes?
 
2014-02-06 06:24:23 PM

change1211: Doesn't that mean that your lack of support for the Democrats mean that a party even farther from your position will do better?


I have to vote for Saruman or Sauron will win!
 
2014-02-06 06:47:33 PM

HotWingConspiracy: limboslam: kimwim: bluenovaman: a socialist

And, what's wrong with being a socialist? When I was first dating my now husband, he told me he was a socialist at heart, I rolled my eyes, not knowing even what one was. Thinking he was a nutter. Now, I don't even know what would be wrong with being one, inclined to becoming one myself, taking myself off the dem rolls in town, and join the socialist party. Because it's clear what we've got now really isn't working.

Because Socialism has worked so well everywhere else it's been tried.

Something tells me you don't actually know what socialism is.


/Sweden
 
2014-02-06 06:49:49 PM
Im sure Private equity companies would find a way to make money from the school lunches.
 
2014-02-06 06:50:45 PM

Itstoearly: iheartscotch: what_now: limboslam: Because Socialism has worked so well everywhere else it's been tried.

Um.. Yeah. It works great in Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Switzerland, Germany, Costa Rica...

But I'm sure those are just outliers.

What if I don't like raw turnips and vodka? And graft, you can't forget about the graft.

/ socialism is a good idea; who wouldn't want a chicken in every pot, school for every child, work for everyone, nobody scraping to get by. It's just that humanity can't seem to get the hang of everybody being equal and happy; some people will always feel that they are more equal than others. And that is why pure socialism is doomed to fail.

No, the reason pure socialism is doomed to fail is because if everyone is guaranteed not to have to struggle to get by, then most people are going to stop working hard, and when enough people do that, suddenly the economy is not strong enough to support everyone.
The problem is not that humans hate other people, the problem is that most humans are lazy and will do the least work possible to meet their minimum comfort level.


That's a hell of an assertion there, sparky... I'd love to see your evidence for that. As well as the evidence that even working hard in this country is enough to meet a minimum comfort level.
 
2014-02-06 06:57:31 PM
I know I'm late.  Did he buy them bootstraps?
 
2014-02-06 07:04:18 PM

WhyteRaven74: Easy solution, just give everyone a free lunch at school.



img.fark.net
 
2014-02-06 07:15:38 PM

red5ish: Is the United States a third world country?


Republicans are trying.
 
2014-02-06 07:28:26 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: rkiller1: Vlad_the_Inaner: rkiller1: ongbok: Why can't the schools just provide free lunch and breakfast to all students? I'm sure the money is there for it. Wouldn't this be better than having hungry kids or school officials punishing kids by embarrassing them because they have poor parents or parents that are inattentive assholes? Trust me, you take it out on a kid because their parent is an asshole, you will end up with a kid who is an asshole.

You may find the answer here

For real?  You think that if kids get a 'free lunch' at school, it's passed on to them in other sneeky ways, like charging them more for beer?

No, you're right. There ARE free lunches, which nobody pays for.
Sorry, my bad.

Yeah, you are bad, not because there are free lunches, because the moral of the story with TANSTASFL is to tell you that when someone offers you a free lunch, you should look for the cost hidden elsewhere.  So you missed the whole point.  So waving a TANSTAFL flag at a hungry kid is farking useless, because kids do not understand costs, much less hidden costs.  All they know is they are hungry.

The only way raising kids makes economic sense is in a pay-it-forward sense.  Yeah, they don't have to pay now.  But yeah, later they'll probably have have to pay it later in life for the next generation of kids who have bad luck.

And because they got benefit of it in the past, they'll probably understand why they are paying in the future.

/Well, except for the ones who become libertarians, because 'Fark you, I got mine!"


Let's agree that we're on separate tracks and the nearest switch points are near Timbuktu.
Peace.
 
2014-02-06 07:31:08 PM

what_now: SubBass49: I'm a liberal who has taught for the past 13 years in a low-income urban school, and I am a bit annoyed by a lack of points being made here...

- ALL public school students whose families meet income guidelines can get free or reduced-price lunches from school.

- In order for the kids to have negative balances on their lunch accounts, it means their families CAN afford to feed them OR pay for their food, but they chose not to.

- What alternatives should be offered up to deal with deadbeat parents CAPABLE of paying for their own damn food who choose not to?

I don't know. But starving the children certainly isn't one of them.

Somerville, MA has recently decided to provide free, nutritious breakfast to every student in public school, regardless of income, and reduce the cost of lunch to $2.75 per meal, and has this policy for students who haven't paid:
 All students who are not eligible for Free or Reduced Lunch or have not submitted a lunch application are required to pay for lunch if they choose to get a lunch from the cafeteria. Students are allowed to debit up to ($25.00) and still receive lunch. Students that have reached this threshold of owing $25.00 will not be allowed to receive additional lunches until they submit payment. However they will be able to receive cereal, fruit, juice and milk anytime they do not have money. Students in grades K through 2 will be allowed to receive lunch regardless of the amount of money owed. All students will be provided with nutritious food each day and no student will be denied food.

You know, as a tax payer in Somerville, I'm a perfectly ok with this.


MA did something decent?

What evil must now occur to balance it out?
 
2014-02-06 08:16:14 PM

bluenovaman: We are the richest country in the world.  We spend more money on our military than the next 10 nations combined yet we can not provide breakfast and lunch to all children ensuring that they will grow up strong and healthy.  We buy tanks and airplanes only to send them to the desert to rot away.  GOP is doing their damnedest to turn me into a socialist and it's working.


Done in one. Well said.
 
2014-02-06 08:20:13 PM

bluenovaman: kimwim: bluenovaman: a socialist

And, what's wrong with being a socialist? When I was first dating my now husband, he told me he was a socialist at heart, I rolled my eyes, not knowing even what one was. Thinking he was a nutter. Now, I don't even know what would be wrong with being one, inclined to becoming one myself, taking myself off the dem rolls in town, and join the socialist party. Because it's clear what we've got now really isn't working.

My friends call me one all the time (along with dirty hippie among other amusing labels), I wouldn't go so far as to agree with them on that, but I'm not ashamed of the label.  I'm happy to support my fellow working class Americans against the tyranny of the GOP.


The libs do as much as the GOP to fark the working class.
 
2014-02-06 08:23:30 PM
Wait a minute. If he zeroed the balances, doesn't that just mean the school wins, and the kids still don't get lunch?
 
2014-02-06 09:05:02 PM
A compassionate man in Texass?
 
2014-02-06 09:08:41 PM

FarkedOver: If people are really interested in joining a socialist party be prepared for what you are getting involved with (I am a socialist).  Socialists are not democrats and they are not liberals.  Socialism is a revolutionary movement.  You will likely not be successful with getting socialist candidates elected, you will read a lot of Marx and Lenin and you will be asked to be involved with many demonstrations.


ho hum revisionist vs. revolutionary zzzzzz
 
2014-02-06 09:14:47 PM

Chach: bluenovaman: kimwim: bluenovaman: a socialist

And, what's wrong with being a socialist? When I was first dating my now husband, he told me he was a socialist at heart, I rolled my eyes, not knowing even what one was. Thinking he was a nutter. Now, I don't even know what would be wrong with being one, inclined to becoming one myself, taking myself off the dem rolls in town, and join the socialist party. Because it's clear what we've got now really isn't working.

My friends call me one all the time (along with dirty hippie among other amusing labels), I wouldn't go so far as to agree with them on that, but I'm not ashamed of the label.  I'm happy to support my fellow working class Americans against the tyranny of the GOP.

The libs do as much as the GOP to fark the working class.


Not even close.
 
2014-02-06 09:26:18 PM
Wow. This being Fark, I knew there would be some hate for this guy for helping kids with his own money - but the amount and intensity of the hate is, well pathological. there's no other word for it. When I was a kid, back in the "conservative" 50s, this man's act would have received nothing but praise. Today - people spitting venom and hate at him, in their convulsive paranoia and terror.
I know something about these creatures - there is no way these sick, crazy, wicked animals will ever listen to reason.
Be prepared.
 
2014-02-06 10:01:43 PM

wambu: INeedAName: wambu: Will he do it next month? And after that? What about all the other kids in need every day?

/not likely to do it again

//what seems like a nice gesture fails to actually help

Kids who eat better, do better in school. Education fights poverty. Keeping kids fed gives them a better education, and helps them get out of poverty. Sounds like it helps to me.

Agreed. Well-fed kids do better in school. No dispute there.

Or do you believe that by not feeding these kids, the parents will learn a valuable lesson that will lead to sweeping lifestyle changes and they'll get all boot strappy?

That may be what is happening in your head, but it's not close to what I said or even implied.

Some parents can't afford to pay for things and some parents choose not to. Punishing the parents that can't, because some parents don't isn't a way to run a civilized nation.

Way to go far astray, Sparky.

My point was that the wrong person was paying, his resources were not adequate to address the problem and would not ever solve the problem. He's good for some feel-good headlines and makes it easy for some people to smugly assume that "things are being done for the children" while the problem continues unabated. Well, maybe "fixed" for the briefest of moments, but not in any substantive manner. In that sense, he might have done more harm than good for these children.


Bullshiat! At least it's a start and may well get people involved.
 
2014-02-06 10:08:12 PM

Chach: bluenovaman: kimwim: bluenovaman: a socialist

And, what's wrong with being a socialist? When I was first dating my now husband, he told me he was a socialist at heart, I rolled my eyes, not knowing even what one was. Thinking he was a nutter. Now, I don't even know what would be wrong with being one, inclined to becoming one myself, taking myself off the dem rolls in town, and join the socialist party. Because it's clear what we've got now really isn't working.

My friends call me one all the time (along with dirty hippie among other amusing labels), I wouldn't go so far as to agree with them on that, but I'm not ashamed of the label.  I'm happy to support my fellow working class Americans against the tyranny of the GOP.

The libs do as much as the GOP to fark the working class.


I don't consider myself a lib, I am pretty much in the middle. But BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
2014-02-06 10:11:34 PM

Rev.K: I've never understood why American schools have a breakfast and lunch program.

Even in socialist Canada, the vast majority of schools don't have such a program. Kids bring their own lunch and eat breakfast before school.


Why is it socialism to wanna get something for your hard-earned taxes. Why should only millionaires get rich off our tax dollars through endless bailouts and corruption? You call us socialist because some little pinhead on Fox news told you that's what it is so your own little brain just repeats it, although you haven't got a farking clue what these words mean.
 
2014-02-06 10:56:59 PM

SubBass49: what_now: SubBass49: I'm a liberal who has taught for the past 13 years in a low-income urban school, and I am a bit annoyed by a lack of points being made here...

- ALL public school students whose families meet income guidelines can get free or reduced-price lunches from school.

- In order for the kids to have negative balances on their lunch accounts, it means their families CAN afford to feed them OR pay for their food, but they chose not to.

- What alternatives should be offered up to deal with deadbeat parents CAPABLE of paying for their own damn food who choose not to?

I don't know. But starving the children certainly isn't one of them.

Somerville, MA has recently decided to provide free, nutritious breakfast to every student in public school, regardless of income, and reduce the cost of lunch to $2.75 per meal, and has this policy for students who haven't paid:
 All students who are not eligible for Free or Reduced Lunch or have not submitted a lunch application are required to pay for lunch if they choose to get a lunch from the cafeteria. Students are allowed to debit up to ($25.00) and still receive lunch. Students that have reached this threshold of owing $25.00 will not be allowed to receive additional lunches until they submit payment. However they will be able to receive cereal, fruit, juice and milk anytime they do not have money. Students in grades K through 2 will be allowed to receive lunch regardless of the amount of money owed. All students will be provided with nutritious food each day and no student will be denied food.

You know, as a tax payer in Somerville, I'm a perfectly ok with this.

Then the question becomes how many people out there are like you?  Where I live, until this school year, budgets were being cut left & right.  It was hard as hell to get the voters to pass a tax increase to just keep our heads above water.
Are you representative of the voting public, or more left-leaning than they are?
What will happen when an increasi ...


So what if the students in question get more than enough money from their parents to pay for lunch and get snacks or whatever and are spending the money on cigarettes, booze, other drugs for recreational use, or those overpriced Beats and just don't care if they eat the lunch the school provides?
 
2014-02-06 11:58:46 PM

damphool: Whatchoo Talkinbout: utard

LOL.  Subby must be from Wyoming.  That is the only place where I have heard the term "Utards."  In case you guys are serious about not getting the reference, it's a derogatory reference to the residents of Utah.  It's like those of us in the great State of Kansas referring to the bastard land to our east as "Misery"  or the "Show Me... How to Drive" State.


Really? Brownbackistanians do that?
 
2014-02-07 12:01:35 AM

bluenovaman: We are the richest country in the world.  We spend more money on our military than the next 10 nations combined yet we can not provide breakfast and lunch to all children ensuring that they will grow up strong and healthy.  We buy tanks and airplanes only to send them to the desert to rot away.  GOP is doing their damnedest to turn me into a socialist and it's working.


Thats not what Republican Jesus would do.
 
2014-02-07 04:49:30 AM

just_another_asshole/jaa: So what if the students in question get more than enough money from their parents to pay for lunch and get snacks or whatever and are spending the money on cigarettes, booze, other drugs for recreational use, or those overpriced Beats and just don't care if they eat the lunch the school provides?


Ha. My mother gave me $20 a week for lunch (single mom), and I damn sure did skip lunch every day. $20 was a lot of money then and I had fun with it. If schools had been giving out free lunches I would have been broke.
 
2014-02-07 04:57:52 AM

Chach: The libs do as much as the GOP to fark the working class.


You mean Democrats, right?

Liberals are to conservatives, as Democrats are to Republicans.  You are mixing up your lexicon.
 
2014-02-07 08:55:09 AM

what_now: limboslam: Because Socialism has worked so well everywhere else it's been tried.

Um.. Yeah. It works great in Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Switzerland, Germany, Costa Rica...

But I'm sure those are just outliers.


Yes, remember, when the American Right says "socialism" has failed or always fails, they don't mean "socialism", they mean communism.  They see zero difference between a democratic government with a socialist support system like Sweden or Norway, and a Stalinist/Maoist-style communist dictatorship with a command economy.

They assume that the moment you allow, say, a national socialized medicine system, you instantly jump to gulags, the holodomor, the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution.

False dichotomy
 
2014-02-07 11:34:38 AM

rkiller1: squirrelflavoredyogurt: rkiller1: So even though the kids had received, continued to receive and will in the future receive free lunches, there is outrage here about military spending and the GOP.
Interesting logic.

The kids in Utah had taken away, thrown in the garbage, and were given milk and an orange. Because it's more efficient and small governmenty to waste the food they already had, then give them different food because of principals.

It's as logical as complaining about freeloading drug abusers taking taxpayer money, then making taxpayers foot the bill for drug tests which end up costing more than we were wasting giving to the drug abusers. Any group that wants to waste more taxpayer money to increase government regulation, that then calls themselves "fiscally conservative" and "small government" is full of shiat.

I'm sure every single parent is out wasting their money on 40's and smokes too, which is why they don't have money in their kids lunch fund. That statement is a great example of fairness and balance. I bet you're well educated and not a bigot at all.

I'm not sure you quoted the right posting, but that's okay.  You sound angry and such venting may help you along.
Peace.


This from the person who accuses others of not having the ability to read? I guess that comes from your top notch education.
 
2014-02-07 11:48:54 AM

shlabotnik: squirrelflavoredyogurt: SubBass49: BTW...the school where I teach feeds over 2,000 kids per day breakfast & lunch for free (entire school population), but the kids waste so much of it that the seagulls fly about 20+ miles from the coast at lunch time to scavenge the utter waste-field that is left.

/BTW, most of the kids have smart-phones
//Many of the kids have BEATS headphones

...and apparently you think all of them should be treated like responsible adults who should go home and talk to their parents about how they are spending their money. Poor kids generally have uneducated parents who make bad decisions, why would you blame the kids for that?

Kids are kids, we threw away a lot of food back in the 70's too. It sounds to me like you're a teacher who doesn't like the job and resents the kids. Maybe you should look into another profession.

My brother is a teacher, he gets pissed at his kids sometimes. I have to remind him about all the shiat I pulled in school. I turned out OK. I work full time, pay taxes, and I'm not on any type of government assistance.

He/she wasn't blaming the kids. Reread the posts.

Look into another profession? Wow, that escalated quickly. Try to stay on task.

You turned out OK? Good for you. Clearly your anecdotal data is true for all.


"but the kids waste so much of it that the seagulls fly about 20+ miles from the coast at lunch time to scavenge the utter waste-field that is left."

So you have reading comprehension problems too then? Explain to me how that statement isn't blaming the kids for wasting the food.

When people clearly don't like their jobs they should stay at them? Sounds like a pretty crappy idea to me, but hey I don't want to be accused of "escalating" a good idea or anything. The point I was making was that if he didn't like his job he should look for another, what "task" was it you thought I should get back to?

I'm not sure that stating an opinion that I turned out OK, and then stating that I work full time and pay taxes is an anecdote. I wasn't trying to amuse anyone and since I have worked full time for nearly 30 years at several different jobs it isn't about a particular incident or event.

Don't let the fact that you don't understand the definition of a word stop you from using it in an attempt to belittle someone else though.
 
2014-02-07 11:55:02 AM

SubBass49: shlabotnik: squirrelflavoredyogurt: SubBass49: BTW...the school where I teach feeds over 2,000 kids per day breakfast & lunch for free (entire school population), but the kids waste so much of it that the seagulls fly about 20+ miles from the coast at lunch time to scavenge the utter waste-field that is left.

/BTW, most of the kids have smart-phones
//Many of the kids have BEATS headphones

...and apparently you think all of them should be treated like responsible adults who should go home and talk to their parents about how they are spending their money. Poor kids generally have uneducated parents who make bad decisions, why would you blame the kids for that?

Kids are kids, we threw away a lot of food back in the 70's too. It sounds to me like you're a teacher who doesn't like the job and resents the kids. Maybe you should look into another profession.

My brother is a teacher, he gets pissed at his kids sometimes. I have to remind him about all the shiat I pulled in school. I turned out OK. I work full time, pay taxes, and I'm not on any type of government assistance.

He/she wasn't blaming the kids. Reread the posts.

Look into another profession? Wow, that escalated quickly. Try to stay on task.

You turned out OK? Good for you. Clearly your anecdotal data is true for all.

Funny how he attacked me for not fully analyzing the entire public education and federal food system during my lunch break (1/2 hour), but then used anecdotal evidence of his own experience to somehow generalize the experience of the American public school student.


Funny how you a teacher don't understand the definition of the word anecdote.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/anecdote

Is being employed full time for 30 years and paying taxes each of those years an "incident". It seems to my that you'd have to consider that more than an an individual occurrence or event.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/incident?s=t


You suck at your job, and you don't like it. You should quit.
 
2014-02-07 11:57:07 AM

SubBass49: squirrelflavoredyogurt: Kids are kids, we threw away a lot of food back in the 70's too. It sounds to me like you're a teacher who doesn't like the job and resents the kids. Maybe you should look into another profession.

What's the matter?  Can't handle reality and/or truth?


What reality and/or truth is it that you're suggesting I can't handle exactly?
 
2014-02-07 12:02:30 PM

SubBass49: squirrelflavoredyogurt: Kids are kids, we threw away a lot of food back in the 70's too. It sounds to me like you're a teacher who doesn't like the job and resents the kids. Maybe you should look into another profession.

What's the matter?  Can't handle reality and/or truth?


Speaking of truth, seagulls range inland thousands of miles, so having them fly a whole 20 miles inland to eat garbage at your school is in no way odd behavior for them. Not sure why that's a huge surprise for an educator. I bet it wouldn't be for one who didn't suck at their job.
 
2014-02-07 02:02:47 PM

squirrelflavoredyogurt: So you have reading comprehension problems too then? Explain to me how that statement isn't blaming the kids for wasting the food.

When people clearly don't like their jobs they should stay at them? Sounds like a pretty crappy idea to me, but hey I don't want to be accused of "escalating" a good idea or anything. The point I was making was that if he didn't like his job he should look for another, what "task" was it you thought I should get back to?

I'm not sure that stating an opinion that I turned out OK, and then stating that I work full time and pay taxes is an anecdote. I wasn't trying to amuse anyone and since I have worked full time for nearly 30 years at several different jobs it isn't about a particular incident or event.

Don't let the fact that you don't understand the definition of a word stop you from using it in an attempt to belittle someone else though.


1. Of course I blame the kids who waste the food.  They get in line, grab a tray full, and proceed to throw a good percentage on the ground (rather than in a trash can).  Who else should be blamed?  I've eaten the food before (teachers can purchase the same food from a counter inside the cafeteria) and it's not bad.  Most common wasted items?  Fresh fruits & vegetables.  If I had a dollar for every carrot or apple thrown on the ground I could retire after a year of work.

2. "Clearly don't like the job?"  Screw that...I LOVE my job.  I love teaching.  I love helping kids who come from rough backgrounds.  There's a reason I've watched wave after wave of new teachers come & go from the school.  Many couldn't hack it.  Many got overwhelmed by being blamed for all of society's ills.  I just put my head down & barrel through, helping as many kids as I can along the way.  With my years of teaching experience I could always wimp out and head for greener pastures (lord knows they abound here), but I actually love my job.

3. More reading comprehension issues, son?  I never used the word "anecdotal" in my post.  That was someone else, dumbass.  Try to know what you speak of before you speak.

4. The reality/truth you couldn't handle is the situation I described.  You got all butthurt about what I posted (the truth) and suggested I must hate (and/or suck at) my job...all because I was honest.  You sure are a sensitive Susan, aren't you?  So yeah, I stick by my previous assertion that you can't handle the truth/reality.  Get help...preferably professional help.

5. Good for farking seagulls.  Did I mention somewhere that I'm a teacher of seagull behavior and/or flight patterns?  Hmmm...can't seem to find that anywhere.  The seagull reference was to illustrate what happens with much of the free food given to students at the school where I teach.  It feeds flying shiat-machines.  The fact that the seagulls know the timing of the lunch period would make for a fun study for behavioral scientists.  Considering there's a landfill much closer to the ocean than our location, I'd be curious to know why the pickings are better at a high school than a dump.

/BTW...EABOD
 
2014-02-07 04:43:25 PM

SubBass49: squirrelflavoredyogurt: So you have reading comprehension problems too then? Explain to me how that statement isn't blaming the kids for wasting the food.

When people clearly don't like their jobs they should stay at them? Sounds like a pretty crappy idea to me, but hey I don't want to be accused of "escalating" a good idea or anything. The point I was making was that if he didn't like his job he should look for another, what "task" was it you thought I should get back to?

I'm not sure that stating an opinion that I turned out OK, and then stating that I work full time and pay taxes is an anecdote. I wasn't trying to amuse anyone and since I have worked full time for nearly 30 years at several different jobs it isn't about a particular incident or event.

Don't let the fact that you don't understand the definition of a word stop you from using it in an attempt to belittle someone else though.

1. Of course I blame the kids who waste the food.  They get in line, grab a tray full, and proceed to throw a good percentage on the ground (rather than in a trash can).  Who else should be blamed?  I've eaten the food before (teachers can purchase the same food from a counter inside the cafeteria) and it's not bad.  Most common wasted items?  Fresh fruits & vegetables.  If I had a dollar for every carrot or apple thrown on the ground I could retire after a year of work.

2. "Clearly don't like the job?"  Screw that...I LOVE my job.  I love teaching.  I love helping kids who come from rough backgrounds.  There's a reason I've watched wave after wave of new teachers come & go from the school.  Many couldn't hack it.  Many got overwhelmed by being blamed for all of society's ills.  I just put my head down & barrel through, helping as many kids as I can along the way.  With my years of teaching experience I could always wimp out and head for greener pastures (lord knows they abound here), but I actually love my job.

3. More reading comprehension issues, son?  I never used the ...


Oh fun let me respond.

1.) I was responding to shlabotnick, who said you weren't blaming the kids. I think it was obvious to everyone but him that you were, so I'm not sure why you're making this point to me.

2.) Clearly you'd know better than I would how you feel about your job. You did complain about the kids. Kids are basically the main feature of teaching, so I don't think it was that big of a stretch for me to think perhaps you didn't like your job.

3.) This is your quote, "Funny how he attacked me for not fully analyzing the entire public education and federal food system during my lunch break (1/2 hour), but then used anecdotal evidence of his own experience to somehow generalize the experience of the American public school student." So now we both know that you're dishonest.

4.) This was your point that I contended:

- ALL public school students whose families meet income guidelines can get free or reduced-price lunches from school.

- In order for the kids to have negative balances on their lunch accounts, it means their families CAN afford to feed them OR pay for their food, but they chose not to.

- What alternatives should be offered up to deal with deadbeat parents CAPABLE of paying for their own damn food who choose not to?


I did so quite clearly by suggesting that just because someone picked a number and said if you make this you can afford to pay for your kids lunches doesn't make it true for every person in all situations.

If you're suggesting it does, how about a little evidence to that effect rather than suggesting it's a truth that I can't handle? Do you have any evidence that every single person not on the free lunch list has a parent or guardian who can afford to feed them that doesn't?

5.) Well I'm not a seagull expert either, but I'd imagine if I were a seagull I'd try to get the freshest food I could find, meaning I'd go to the source of the food rather than waiting for it to show up at the dump.
 
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