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2014-02-06 03:45:52 PM

what_now: A kid cannot learn if he's hungry


Since we as a society or school system cannot guarantee that children are being fed dinner at night we are now going to make it illegal for schools to issue homework.  It is unfair to the poor downtrodden soles whose parents fail to or can't feed them and its the only way that we can break the cycle of poverty.  Only by bringing everyone to the same level will we ever truly be enlightened.

/ I'm okay with schools giving everyone lunch without payment.
// It's not free, someone is paying for it.
 
2014-02-06 03:46:43 PM

INeedAName: TomD9938: HotWingConspiracy: TomD9938: what_now: A kid cannot learn if he's hungry


Why do we take this oft-repeated line as some sort of gospel?

I happen to work better and am more alert on an empty stomach than I am after eating a large meal.

So long as nutrients are had at some point of the day, it's all good.

How old are you?


AIP
The difference between a 43yr old being able to go hungry for a while and a 12yr old is night and day. Maybe they should just chew on your old boot straps?



A kid's at school 7 hours a day.

Even if he's only fed on either side of that seven hours, he's fine.

BTW, you all are defending parents with money (probably ebil repuglicans at that) who are flipping the bird at the public school system by not forking over the $10.00 wk, even after they've been warned repeatedly.
 
2014-02-06 03:47:23 PM

SubBass49: I'm a liberal who has taught for the past 13 years in a low-income urban school, and I am a bit annoyed by a lack of points being made here...

- ALL public school students whose families meet income guidelines can get free or reduced-price lunches from school.

- In order for the kids to have negative balances on their lunch accounts, it means their families CAN afford to feed them OR pay for their food, but they chose not to.

- What alternatives should be offered up to deal with deadbeat parents CAPABLE of paying for their own damn food who choose not to?


Don't come in here acting all rational while people are complaining about the jobs that pay for kid's lunches. You just make sure you talk bad about republicans.
 
2014-02-06 03:47:59 PM
 A few years a go I saw a news story about a failing middle school,  in some urban hell hole.  All minority,  all poor.  Riddled with all the problems that go with poor urban middle schools.   Then the started a program of providing healthy breakfast and lunch and even dinner free to all students. Big emphasis on healthy.   They soon saw a significant drop in the problems that go with poor urban middle schools.  Enough to more than pay for the free food progam.   With the bonus of the kids actualy begining to learn.  Stuff like math and english.  Hanging around after school, waiting for a free dinner, killing time by studying.   Not out on the street learning how to steal cars.

Some people may call that socialism.  But it could be capitalism, making a smallish investment in return for a bigger payoff.
 
2014-02-06 03:48:12 PM

whidbey: kimwim: And, what's wrong with being a socialist?

Nothing. Being a socialist means you realize that all services from health care to utilities should be in public hands and be readily available to whomever needs them. By means of both direct and representative democracy.

It wouldn't be that much different from our lives right now except that corporations and other forms of big business would not have the power they have now, and the people would be taking a more direct role in government and community. Something to think about the next time some curmudgeonly traditionalist tries talking shiat the next time you mention it.


Seriously? Socialism is a good idea, a great idea; but, humans are selfish. Pure socialism is doomed to fail because people are selfish. Plus, I don't like raw turnips, vodka and graft.

/ plus, socialism creates an oligarchy worse than the bourgeoisie it vilifies.
 
2014-02-06 03:49:18 PM

TomD9938: what_now: A kid cannot learn if he's hungry


Why do we take this oft-repeated line as some sort of gospel?

I happen to work better and am more alert on an empty stomach than I am after eating a large meal.

So long as nutrients are had at some point of the day, it's all good.


Right! And we're definitely sure that when each and every one of these kids goes home they have a well balanced dinner and breakfast the next day.  Everyone lives in a beautiful home with a dog and two parents and there's no such thing as hunger or poverty.  God bless America.  Oh, but here's your American cheese and wonder bread.  LIVE ON IT.
 
2014-02-06 03:49:23 PM

kimwim: bluenovaman: a socialist

And, what's wrong with being a socialist? When I was first dating my now husband, he told me he was a socialist at heart, I rolled my eyes, not knowing even what one was. Thinking he was a nutter. Now, I don't even know what would be wrong with being one, inclined to becoming one myself, taking myself off the dem rolls in town, and join the socialist party. Because it's clear what we've got now really isn't working.


I'm glad to know that there are no hungry kids in China. It must be a real paradise there. Perhaps you can go there and live there and enjoy the people's free lunches while you ride the people's bus to your new job building smart phones.
 
2014-02-06 03:49:34 PM

iheartscotch: Mainly because Vikings use oaken galleys and we have cruise missiles?


Yes. That is the point. *WE* have cruise missiles. That dude doesn't have cruise missiles, WE have cruise missiles. Dirty, socialist cruise missiles.
 
2014-02-06 03:49:38 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Well it is designed to break your fast for the night. Most humans require food, young ones more so.

They're growing and don't possess the coping mechanisms you can take for granted now.



I'm coming out in favor of parent/s feeding their kids a breakfast.
 
2014-02-06 03:49:41 PM

TomD9938: BTW, you all are defending parents with money


Most people are talking about the kids. You cannot seem to separate the two because it's offensive to your notions of responsibility.
 
2014-02-06 03:49:46 PM

bluenovaman: We are the richest country in the world.  We spend more money on our military than the next 10 nations combined yet we can not provide breakfast and lunch to all children ensuring that they will grow up strong and healthy.  We buy tanks and airplanes only to send them to the desert to rot away.  GOP is doing their damnedest to turn me into a socialist and it's working.


Democrats have a strange habit of voting for that stuff too.
 
2014-02-06 03:50:17 PM

iheartscotch: Seriously? Socialism is a good idea, a great idea; but, humans are selfish. Pure socialism is doomed to fail because people are selfish. Plus, I don't like raw turnips, vodka and graft.

/ plus, soviet-style socialism creates an oligarchy worse than the bourgeoisie it vilifies. (except every single socialist struggle has left the country it happened in better off than it was before.)


There.  That seems more accurate now.
 
2014-02-06 03:50:44 PM

Whatchoo Talkinbout: utard


LOL.  Subby must be from Wyoming.  That is the only place where I have heard the term "Utards."  In case you guys are serious about not getting the reference, it's a derogatory reference to the residents of Utah.  It's like those of us in the great State of Kansas referring to the bastard land to our east as "Misery"  or the "Show Me... How to Drive" State.
 
2014-02-06 03:51:15 PM

TomD9938: I suppose you're one of those "breakfast is the most important meal of the day" people.


You mean...one of those people who understands how nutrition works?
 
2014-02-06 03:51:37 PM

TomD9938: HotWingConspiracy: Well it is designed to break your fast for the night. Most humans require food, young ones more so.

They're growing and don't possess the coping mechanisms you can take for granted now.


I'm coming out in favor of parent/s feeding their kids a breakfast.


See? It's impossible for you. You feel the kids are a good object to make a point and enforce your notions of responsibility.
 
2014-02-06 03:51:41 PM
Wasn't the problem in the original article that the notices didn't get out on time, the school gave the kids the lunches and then threw them away, and then gave the kids the cheese sandwich lunch?

I don't care what side of the aisle you're on, but that is powerful stupid. Disregard the notices, but giving a kid a lunch and taking it away is cruel especially since the food is already paid for. And then you waste more money by giving them the alternative lunch? Awesome job!
 
2014-02-06 03:51:45 PM

rkiller1: Too bad these are illegal.  If they were legal, the kids would not have to each free cheese sandwiches.
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When i was a kid that's exactly what I used.  Sammich and some dessert thing like a Twinkie or Ding Dong.
 
2014-02-06 03:51:59 PM

TomD9938: INeedAName: TomD9938: HotWingConspiracy: TomD9938: what_now: A kid cannot learn if he's hungry


Why do we take this oft-repeated line as some sort of gospel?

I happen to work better and am more alert on an empty stomach than I am after eating a large meal.

So long as nutrients are had at some point of the day, it's all good.

How old are you?


AIP
The difference between a 43yr old being able to go hungry for a while and a 12yr old is night and day. Maybe they should just chew on your old boot straps?


A kid's at school 7 hours a day.

Even if he's only fed on either side of that seven hours, he's fine.

BTW, you all are defending parents with money (probably ebil repuglicans at that) who are flipping the bird at the public school system by not forking over the $10.00 wk, even after they've been warned repeatedly.


I don't care who the parents are, kids don't deserve to go hungry.
 
2014-02-06 03:53:34 PM
I'm surprised he was allowed to do this. So if it's allowed, will more people step up and do this in other locations? Doubt it.
 
2014-02-06 03:53:34 PM

iheartscotch: / plus, socialism creates an oligarchy worse than the bourgeoisie it vilifies.


wut

humans are selfish.

So they are. Somehow we still created a society that's addressing these issues. It's time to take it to the next level.
 
2014-02-06 03:53:52 PM

TomD9938: what_now: A kid cannot learn if he's hungry


Why do we take this oft-repeated line as some sort of gospel?

I happen to work better and am more alert on an empty stomach than I am after eating a large meal.

So long as nutrients are had at some point of the day, it's all good.


Yeah, it's almost like you're trying to push your anecdote as data. It's also like you don't recognize that children are growing, and if they don't get the nutrition they need, it's going to cause them health problems later on down the road.

On a scale of 1 to 10, I rate your post a 10, as in, eat 10 bowls of dicks. I'm sure that'll make you less hungry.
 
2014-02-06 03:54:49 PM

TomD9938: INeedAName: TomD9938: HotWingConspiracy: TomD9938: what_now: A kid cannot learn if he's hungry


Why do we take this oft-repeated line as some sort of gospel?

I happen to work better and am more alert on an empty stomach than I am after eating a large meal.

So long as nutrients are had at some point of the day, it's all good.

How old are you?


AIP
The difference between a 43yr old being able to go hungry for a while and a 12yr old is night and day. Maybe they should just chew on your old boot straps?


A kid's at school 7 hours a day.

Even if he's only fed on either side of that seven hours, he's fine.

BTW, you all are defending parents with money (probably ebil repuglicans at that) who are flipping the bird at the public school system by not forking over the $10.00 wk, even after they've been warned repeatedly.


I saw no proof anywhere in that article that every single child affected by this was from "parents with money"  "When he inquired about it to school officials, he learned that there was quite a large group of kids whose parents couldn't afford the 40 cents a day - about 60 in total."   Forty cents a day is not what normal lunch costs.  40 cents a day is a reduced lunch cost.  That means they qualify for a reduced lunch.  That means they are struggling financially.

But put it all farking aside.  Even if they weren't.  Let's say the parents are flush and are just dicks, neglecting their kids.  If they're unwilling to pay for school lunch, I doubt they care much otherwise.  And yes, I've forgotten my daughter's lunch money once or twice, and that's not what's going on here.
 
2014-02-06 03:55:18 PM

kimwim: bluenovaman: a socialist

And, what's wrong with being a socialist? When I was first dating my now husband, he told me he was a socialist at heart, I rolled my eyes, not knowing even what one was. Thinking he was a nutter. Now, I don't even know what would be wrong with being one, inclined to becoming one myself, taking myself off the dem rolls in town, and join the socialist party. Because it's clear what we've got now really isn't working.


1.bp.blogspot.comSocialism didn't work in Russia, Socialism didn't work in Europe, and Socialism won't work in America.
 
2014-02-06 03:56:00 PM

KidneyStone: rkiller1: Too bad these are illegal.  If they were legal, the kids would not have to each free cheese sandwiches.
[www.atlantaintownpaper.com image 413x375]

When i was a kid that's exactly what I used.  Sammich and some dessert thing like a Twinkie or Ding Dong.


Same here, but that seems out of vogue today because the responsibility has apparently shifted from the parents to the school, which dam well better feed all kids (and cheese sandwiches is apparently not food) or risk the outrage of Internet tough guys.
 
2014-02-06 03:56:32 PM
damphool

Whatchoo Talkinbout: utard


LOL. Subby must be from Wyoming. That is the only place where I have heard the term "Utards." In case you guys are serious about not getting the reference, it's a derogatory reference to the residents of Utah. It's like those of us in the great State of Kansas referring to the bastard land to our east as "Misery" or the "Show Me... How to Drive" State.


Those of us from civilization call all those states "fly over" states.

/jk
 
2014-02-06 03:57:09 PM

Death Whisper: Socialism didn't work in Russia, Socialism didn't work in Europe, and Socialism won't work in America.


haha no

also, learn what kind of government was actually in Russia. Hint: it wasn't socialism
 
2014-02-06 03:57:27 PM

what_now: iheartscotch: Mainly because Vikings use oaken galleys and we have cruise missiles?

Yes. That is the point. *WE* have cruise missiles. That dude doesn't have cruise missiles, WE have cruise missiles. Dirty, socialist cruise missiles.


But, but, but, BUT; we've painted them all Red, White and Blue. And these colors don't run!

/ I realize we have some socialist aspects of the government, common defense and such.
 
2014-02-06 03:57:30 PM
And what's wrong with cheese sammies? Kids these days, buncha ingrates.

www.bonappetit.com
 
2014-02-06 03:58:02 PM

Nemo's Brother: 60 parents that would rather spend their money on cable, 40s and smokes instead of pay for their children to eat.


And of course the companies who sell them "cable and 40s and smokes" use their profits to buy publicity via ad agencies.  Anyone else think it would be in their best interest to sponsor school lunches with some of their profits instead, and wring some good publicity from that "community investment"?
 
2014-02-06 03:59:50 PM
And in other  news, the school scours trash bin for food they took away so they can serve those kids.
 
2014-02-06 03:59:53 PM

FarkedOver: iheartscotch: Seriously? Socialism is a good idea, a great idea; but, humans are selfish. Pure socialism is doomed to fail because people are selfish. Plus, I don't like raw turnips, vodka and graft.

/ plus, soviet-style socialism creates an oligarchy worse than the bourgeoisie it vilifies. (except every single socialist struggle has left the country it happened in better off than it was before.)

There.  That seems more accurate now.


*cough cough* China, Cuba and North Korea *cough cough*

/ yes, I know, they're communist; but, they are cut from the same cloth
 
2014-02-06 04:00:37 PM

rkiller1: KidneyStone: rkiller1: Too bad these are illegal.  If they were legal, the kids would not have to each free cheese sandwiches.
[www.atlantaintownpaper.com image 413x375]

When i was a kid that's exactly what I used.  Sammich and some dessert thing like a Twinkie or Ding Dong.

Same here, but that seems out of vogue today because the responsibility has apparently shifted from the parents to the school, which dam well better feed all kids (and cheese sandwiches is apparently not food) or risk the outrage of Internet tough guys.


Hungry kids are also unfashionable these days.

But maybe lay down some more "put your money where your mouth is" proclamations while complaining about internet tough guys. It's working for you.
 
2014-02-06 04:01:18 PM
ITT:

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2014-02-06 04:02:06 PM

Dirtybird971: damphool

Whatchoo Talkinbout: utard


LOL. Subby must be from Wyoming. That is the only place where I have heard the term "Utards." In case you guys are serious about not getting the reference, it's a derogatory reference to the residents of Utah. It's like those of us in the great State of Kansas referring to the bastard land to our east as "Misery" or the "Show Me... How to Drive" State.

Those of us from civilization call all those states "fly over" states.

/jk


Joplin Mo. resident here; "You be trollin'...  I be goin' for the hook!" lol
 
2014-02-06 04:02:20 PM

HotWingConspiracy: TomD9938: BTW, you all are defending parents with money


Most people are talking about the kids. You cannot seem to separate the two because it's offensive to your notions of responsibility.


The kids should get to eat (on the other parents' dime for the time being).  I've said this more than once in this thread.

The parents should get their wages garnished via some state or federal mechanism ASAP to make up for the cost of the meals and to cover the costs incurred by the government agency responsible for collection.
 
2014-02-06 04:02:51 PM

rkiller1: Sticky Hands: I hope all those parents are embarrassed as hell that they didn't pay little Jayen's bill.

Citation needed, not that the kids were all named Jayen but those parents who did not pay were in fact rich.  If it turns out that they were living in a one-room apartment above someone's garage barely scraping by, would that get you outraged?  Or is just living an in an above-average zip code (your definition of "rich") enough to quell your anger?


The school is located at 1300th South and 1500th East in salt lake city. The link is to Zillow, if you choose areal view the school is in the center of the screen.  It's near the University and a private college and right smack in the middle of one of the most expensive areas in the city  I know several families that live there. I know their approximate salaries, and I know that I personally would struggle to buy there, and I'm very much upper middle class.

I also know this school district very well. I've sent my kids to school in this district, they are VERY aggressive about giving out free lunch.  If they were living in a one room apartment barely scraping by they would be getting free lunch.
 
2014-02-06 04:02:53 PM
This thread makes me fear for our children's future. If people can get off their soapbox and listen to the teachers here, you all wouldn't sound like idiots.
 
2014-02-06 04:04:05 PM

TomD9938: HotWingConspiracy: TomD9938: BTW, you all are defending parents with money

Most people are talking about the kids. You cannot seem to separate the two because it's offensive to your notions of responsibility.


The kids should get to eat (on the other parents' dime for the time being).  I've said this more than once in this thread.

The parents should get their wages garnished via some state or federal mechanism ASAP to make up for the cost of the meals and to cover the costs incurred by the government agency responsible for collection.


Do you imagine this system will save money vs. just feeding the kids a proper meal?
 
2014-02-06 04:05:34 PM

HotWingConspiracy: TomD9938: HotWingConspiracy: TomD9938: BTW, you all are defending parents with money

Most people are talking about the kids. You cannot seem to separate the two because it's offensive to your notions of responsibility.


The kids should get to eat (on the other parents' dime for the time being).  I've said this more than once in this thread.

The parents should get their wages garnished via some state or federal mechanism ASAP to make up for the cost of the meals and to cover the costs incurred by the government agency responsible for collection.

Do you imagine this system will save money vs. just feeding the kids a proper meal?


He's actually arguing for state confiscation of wages.  I bet he calls him self a "small-government conservative", too.
 
2014-02-06 04:05:42 PM

TomD9938: HotWingConspiracy: TomD9938: BTW, you all are defending parents with money

Most people are talking about the kids. You cannot seem to separate the two because it's offensive to your notions of responsibility.


The kids should get to eat (on the other parents' dime for the time being).  I've said this more than once in this thread.

The parents should get their wages garnished via some state or federal mechanism ASAP to make up for the cost of the meals and to cover the costs incurred by the government agency responsible for collection.


How much do you think it costs to process a wage garnishment? How much time do you think it takes? At what point do you think that process is cost effective?

Because if you think it's cost effective to process wage garnishment for a $30 school lunch bill, I don't know what to tell you....
 
2014-02-06 04:06:12 PM
Since a lot of you are complaining about voters refusing to allow higher taxes to pay for things like school lunches, I'll tell you my perspective and reasoning behind voting against the last tax increase (which passed, along with every one before it).  What seems to happen more often than not when we raise taxes to pay for a specific program, that tax money isn't used to supplement or used in conjunction with existing funds, it replaces those funds.  For example, about a decade ago my city decided to raise business taxes for the schools.  It was widely advertised as "for the kids" and people who spoke out against it were called every name you can imagine.  The tax passed and the city made good on their promise to use every dime of that tax money on the schools.  The problem is, for every dime they spent from the tax money, they reduced the money coming from another source by the same amount.  The net result was the schools didn't see ANY extra money but everyone's taxes increased.  This is not an isolated incident either.

If there were tax referendums that would guarantee all the money raised from the increase would go to the schools AND the money already going into the schools wouldn't be reduced, I think you'd find very few people who would object to the tax increase to feed kids.  The problem is, so many people understand that the tax increase won't ultimately do what it was planned and in 5 years...the kids will still be hungry and the city'll be back, begging for another tax increase.
 
2014-02-06 04:06:26 PM
I have much respect for the individual mentioned in the article who zeroed out these children's negative balance lunch accounts.

That said, I can only imagine how, if I walked into the local school and wanted some information about the children's lunch accounts, I'd be treated like some kind of pedo pervert and would be told how that information is confidential. Access would be denied and I'd bet the local law enforcement would be notified about my inquiry asap. I'd probably be interrogated as I was exiting the building.

I would also not feel comfortable sending an anonymous money order payable to the school district, even if I noted on the M.O. to use the funds for payment of deficient lunch accounts.
 
2014-02-06 04:06:32 PM
Why can't the schools just provide free lunch and breakfast to all students? I'm sure the money is there for it. Wouldn't this be better than having hungry kids or school officials punishing kids by embarrassing them because they have poor parents or parents that are inattentive assholes? Trust me, you take it out on a kid because their parent is an asshole, you will end up with a kid who is an asshole.
 
2014-02-06 04:06:43 PM

iheartscotch: *cough cough* China, Cuba and North Korea *cough cough*

/ yes, I know, they're communist; but, they are cut from the same cloth


China's issue is bringing the "National Bourgeoisie" into the fold.  Should never have done that, literally anyone can be a member of the party whether they believe in communism or not.

Cuba is way better off than it was under Batista.  Education is free.  Even university.  They have some of the finest doctors in the world.  They also have great universal healthcare.  Most of the issues in Cuba are directly tied to their retarded neighbor to the north that has been pitching a biatch fit since 1959.  The USA

North Korea has long since abandoned socialism.  They subscribe to Juche.

They are not communist countries.  Communism is a classless STATELESS society.   They are/were socialist countries lead by communist parties.  The end goal of socialism is communism.  Always has been always will be.  As a socialist, I want to get through the socialist phase as quickly as possible.
 
2014-02-06 04:07:03 PM
If only there was a communal organization dedicated to the betterment of it's members via redistribution of needed funds like in this situation, alas, we can only rely on the kindness of very few that help very few.

/ur all morons
 
2014-02-06 04:08:10 PM
Hey the whole thread about "Socialism", "1%" and so forth has been lots of fun, but how about some love for "Kenny Thompson, a mentor and tutor at Valley Oaks Elementary School"?
Let me just throw a big attaboy out there!

As a mentor he is certainly setting the right example for the kids.
 
2014-02-06 04:08:37 PM

whidbey: iheartscotch: / plus, socialism creates an oligarchy worse than the bourgeoisie it vilifies.

wut

humans are selfish.

So they are. Somehow we still created a society that's addressing these issues. It's time to take it to the next level.


What that means is:

Somebody has to run your perfect government. Unless you've got a robot, that is. That person will likely favor their family and friends. Then, it's raw turnips and vodka for the rest of us.

If you can overcome the whole selfishness thing; I'll start sowing red flags with stars, hammers and sickles. Until then, I'll stick with the current version of capitalism.
 
2014-02-06 04:09:04 PM
Is the United States a third world country?
 
2014-02-06 04:09:19 PM

tricycleracer: HotWingConspiracy: TomD9938: HotWingConspiracy: TomD9938: BTW, you all are defending parents with money

Most people are talking about the kids. You cannot seem to separate the two because it's offensive to your notions of responsibility.


The kids should get to eat (on the other parents' dime for the time being).  I've said this more than once in this thread.

The parents should get their wages garnished via some state or federal mechanism ASAP to make up for the cost of the meals and to cover the costs incurred by the government agency responsible for collection.

Do you imagine this system will save money vs. just feeding the kids a proper meal?

He's actually arguing for state confiscation of wages.  I bet he calls him self a "small-government conservative", too.


Punishing people is more important in order to satisfy his notions of responsibility. Kids, adults, doesn't matter. Someone needs to suffer here.
 
2014-02-06 04:09:51 PM
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