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(Christian Science Monitor)   The US and South Korean navies are starting a wargame off the coast of North Korea for no ulterior reason whatsoever this week. Here's what you need to know before the Norks start threatening to rain nuclear death on you this weekend   (csmonitor.com) divider line 65
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2014-02-06 12:38:40 PM
I'm sure the only reason that the Norks agreed to cross-border family visits last week was so they could be outraged this week and cancel them.
 
2014-02-06 12:39:25 PM
I didn't know women's breasts could do that, but there's a lot I don't know about women's breasts.
 
2014-02-06 12:43:21 PM
Sea of fire!
 
2014-02-06 12:43:51 PM
img4.joyreactor.com
/oblig
 
2014-02-06 12:47:10 PM
None of those need to know items were, "They don't have the ability to lob a nuke at America - and we aren't actually sure they could lob a nuke at anyone" but one should have been.
 
2014-02-06 12:50:27 PM
North Korea is not the U.S.'s problem.  its their pals next door (communist china) that should be their concern. if the chinese weren't so busy selling/making stuff for walmart.
 
2014-02-06 12:51:10 PM
Because this weekend contains day names that end in 'Y'?
 
2014-02-06 12:51:44 PM
I always assume that if you use the term Norks that you're over fifty.
 
2014-02-06 12:59:21 PM
nanu nanu

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-06 12:59:26 PM
Got to justify that exorbitant military budget somehow.
 
2014-02-06 01:08:52 PM

Cymbal: Got to justify that exorbitant military budget somehow.


Look at the total casualty count from WW2. If we assume that total US military hedgomony makes it impossible for a country to use its military for any gain, you could say its worth every cent.
 
2014-02-06 01:15:09 PM
Here's an atom bomb test as seen from Los Angeles some time in the 1950s:

www.retronaut.com

It would be tragicomical to see Lil' Kim launch a nuclear missile and have it successfully cross the Pacific Ocean, only to land harmlessly in a desert wasteland far outside of Los Angeles.

/more photos of atom bomb tests seen from LA here
 
2014-02-06 01:21:57 PM

lilbjorn: I'm sure the only reason that the Norks agreed to cross-border family visits last week was so they could be outraged this week and cancel them.


came here to say this. leaving satisfied
 
2014-02-06 01:22:19 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Here's an atom bomb test as seen from Los Angeles some time in the 1950s:

[www.retronaut.com image 800x624]

It would be tragicomical to see Lil' Kim launch a nuclear missile and have it successfully cross the Pacific Ocean, only to land harmlessly in a desert wasteland far outside of Los Angeles.

/more photos of atom bomb tests seen from LA here


I don't even see an atom bomb test in that picture.
 
2014-02-06 01:26:34 PM
Can the US (And South Korea, to) stop waving its dick at other countries? It's making the rest of the world feel nervous. Especially Russia.
 
2014-02-06 01:29:34 PM

b2theory: Cymbal: Got to justify that exorbitant military budget somehow.

Look at the total casualty count from WW2. If we assume that total US military hedgomony makes it impossible for a country to use its military for any gain, you could say its worth every cent.


Even if that were true, which I very seriously doubt, you can't tell me the US needs to spend as much as the next ten largest nations combined? That's just absurd.
 
2014-02-06 01:29:51 PM
Everything you ever need to know about any North Korean Threat:

They're a bunch of whiny punk assed biatches whose promises are less credible than Charlie Sheen at rehab.
 
2014-02-06 01:34:32 PM

Cymbal: b2theory: Cymbal: Got to justify that exorbitant military budget somehow.

Look at the total casualty count from WW2. If we assume that total US military hedgomony makes it impossible for a country to use its military for any gain, you could say its worth every cent.

Even if that were true, which I very seriously doubt, you can't tell me the US needs to spend as much as the next ten largest nations combined? That's just absurd.


Why would you doubt it? Every military descision made by every nation(both our friends and enemies) starts with: "What will the US do?"
 
2014-02-06 01:46:50 PM

Cymbal: b2theory: Cymbal: Got to justify that exorbitant military budget somehow.

Look at the total casualty count from WW2. If we assume that total US military hedgomony makes it impossible for a country to use its military for any gain, you could say its worth every cent.

Even if that were true, which I very seriously doubt, you can't tell me the US needs to spend as much as the next ten largest nations combined? That's just absurd.


Not going to go full derp on this point, because I agree we could take a sizable chunk out of our defense budget and still be viable.

There's a good number of things that count as part of the 'defense' budget, because it's a pretty broad term. When when aren't playing world police, we're also playing world rescue. The Haiti Earthquake, or Fukushima. Every time there's a natural disaster of signifigant proportion, the U.S. sends supplies and personnel on really expensive ships, cargo planes, and helicopters to deliver aid.

That's money we usually don't end up getting back, that we don't want back. We have rescues at sea, we have 2 hospital ships who are obligated to render service to anyone (whether they're an enemy combatant or not), and we have portions of the defense budget that are tied to other portions of the defense budget (like NASA, Veterans Hospitals which are also obligated to render service to anyone in distress, etc.), and what have you.

We also donate a lot of time and money running training exercises with other countries who do not have a military force comparable to our own. For instance when our carrier fleets go around the Straits of Magellan, we make stops near Brazil and some of our other friends in South America to run drills and let them launch and land their own warplanes off our carrier decks. Not to mention sending advisors and analysts to countries we are not 'officially' involved with in a combat capacity.

Again, we can still carve out a nice chunk of the Defense budget because there is plenty of waste there. But our military does a lot of good for the world in addition to getting involved with unnecessary wars, so there is at some justification for having a signifigantly large military budget.
 
2014-02-06 01:49:13 PM

Rapmaster2000: I always assume that if you use the term Norks that you're over fifty.


I'm over fifty, and the only place I've ever heard that expression is on Fark.
 
2014-02-06 01:49:43 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Here's an atom bomb test as seen from Los Angeles some time in the 1950s:

[www.retronaut.com image 800x624]

It would be tragicomical to see Lil' Kim launch a nuclear missile and have it successfully cross the Pacific Ocean, only to land harmlessly in a desert wasteland far outside of Los Angeles.

/more photos of atom bomb tests seen from LA here


Imma call BS on those photos.  No tests were ever done in the California Mojave desert...they were all done in Nevada or New Mexico.  The blast cloud wouldn't appear that large from the LA basin for a detonation several hundred miles away.
 
2014-02-06 01:52:33 PM

cousin-merle: I didn't know women's breasts could do that, but there's a lot I don't know about women's breasts.


I'm really curious which thread you thought you were posting in.
 
2014-02-06 01:53:55 PM
Last year, F-22 Raptors, B-2 stealth bombers, and B-52s were used in the drills. The B-2s are capable of carrying nuclear weapons.

Pretty sure B-52's are nuclear capable too -- they were built for the job.
 
2014-02-06 02:00:19 PM

Arkanaut: Last year, F-22 Raptors, B-2 stealth bombers, and B-52s were used in the drills. The B-2s are capable of carrying nuclear weapons.

Pretty sure B-52's are nuclear capable too -- they were built for the job.


Fred Schneider is kind of a beanpole, I don't see him being able to carry a nuke.
 
2014-02-06 02:02:12 PM

Arkanaut: Last year, F-22 Raptors, B-2 stealth bombers, and B-52s were used in the drills. The B-2s are capable of carrying nuclear weapons.

Pretty sure B-52's are nuclear capable too -- they were built for the job.


The F-22 can carry nukes as well.
 
2014-02-06 02:02:34 PM

lilbjorn: I'm sure the only reason that the Norks agreed to cross-border family visits last week was so they could be outraged this week and cancel them.


Yeah, they're doing you a favour really, as opposed to whatever reactions they'd have to come up with.

USA gets the public to forget about Syria for a while as well. The usual stuff.
 
2014-02-06 02:06:07 PM

firemanbuck: shower_in_my_socks: Here's an atom bomb test as seen from Los Angeles some time in the 1950s:

[www.retronaut.com image 800x624]

It would be tragicomical to see Lil' Kim launch a nuclear missile and have it successfully cross the Pacific Ocean, only to land harmlessly in a desert wasteland far outside of Los Angeles.

/more photos of atom bomb tests seen from LA here

Imma call BS on those photos.  No tests were ever done in the California Mojave desert...they were all done in Nevada or New Mexico.  The blast cloud wouldn't appear that large from the LA basin for a detonation several hundred miles away.


Wouldn't a blast cloud that close and large kinda be bright enough to blind people?
 
2014-02-06 02:06:09 PM

spawn73: lilbjorn: I'm sure the only reason that the Norks agreed to cross-border family visits last week was so they could be outraged this week and cancel them.

Yeah, they're doing you a favour really, as opposed to whatever reactions they'd have to come up with.

USA gets the public to forget about Syria for a while as well. The usual stuff.


Yes, this exercise that they do every year has been timed to distract people from Syria.
 
2014-02-06 02:17:18 PM
Arkanaut: I'm really curious which thread you thought you were posting in.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nork
 
2014-02-06 02:23:32 PM

firemanbuck: mma call BS on those photos.  No tests were ever done in the California Mojave desert...they were all done in Nevada or New Mexico.  The blast cloud wouldn't appear that large from the LA basin for a detonation several hundred miles away.


Well then I guess this is one of those "you don't know everything" moments. Per a post on Wired:

"Photo by Perry Fowler, February 2, 1951. "Today's atomic explosion, largest yet set off on the Nevada test range, was clearly visible in Los Angeles, as remarkable photo shows. Staff photographer Perry Folwer was ready with his camera on a tripod on the roof of the Herald-Express building when the blast occurred at 5:48 a.m. Reporter Jack Smith, who also saw yesterday's explosion, points towards the great white flash that clearly silhouetted mountains to the east.""

There's also at least on post in the comments section from someone claiming to have seen it herself when she was a little girl.
 
2014-02-06 02:34:26 PM

CygnusDarius: Can the US (And South Korea, to) stop waving its dick at other countries? It's making the rest of the world feel nervous. Especially Russia.


The United States and South Korea have EVERY right to practice military exercises together as allies in their own and international territory.  Especially since these exercises happen every year.  There's no secrecy or sneaking here.  And what the fark is Russia going to be nervous about?  Do you really think the US and SK are plotting to blow up Vladivostok and then the....3000 miles of nothing west of it?
 
2014-02-06 02:45:12 PM
doeet.jpg
 
2014-02-06 02:48:36 PM

HMS_Blinkin: CygnusDarius: Can the US (And South Korea, to) stop waving its dick at other countries? It's making the rest of the world feel nervous. Especially Russia.

The United States and South Korea have EVERY right to practice military exercises together as allies in their own and international territory.  Especially since these exercises happen every year.  There's no secrecy or sneaking here.  And what the fark is Russia going to be nervous about?  Do you really think the US and SK are plotting to blow up Vladivostok and then the....3000 miles of nothing west of it?


I'm not against military drills, but, be aware that the norks can potentially annihilate Seoul.

And the Russia bit was just for jokes, really.
 
2014-02-06 02:54:32 PM

Weatherkiss: Arkanaut: Last year, F-22 Raptors, B-2 stealth bombers, and B-52s were used in the drills. The B-2s are capable of carrying nuclear weapons.

Pretty sure B-52's are nuclear capable too -- they were built for the job.

Fred Schneider is kind of a beanpole, I don't see him being able to carry a nuke.


He can barely carry a tune!
 
2014-02-06 02:59:32 PM

dinch: spawn73: lilbjorn: I'm sure the only reason that the Norks agreed to cross-border family visits last week was so they could be outraged this week and cancel them.

Yeah, they're doing you a favour really, as opposed to whatever reactions they'd have to come up with.

USA gets the public to forget about Syria for a while as well. The usual stuff.

Yes, this exercise that they do every year has been timed to distract people from Syria.


Will have that effect though.
 
2014-02-06 03:04:52 PM

cousin-merle: Arkanaut: I'm really curious which thread you thought you were posting in.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nork


Australian "English" has such silly words!
 
2014-02-06 03:19:26 PM
b2theory:

Look at the total casualty count from WW2. If we assume that total US military hedgomony makes it impossible for a country to use its military for any gain, you could say its worth every cent.

img.fark.net

What a hedgomony might look like.
 
2014-02-06 03:30:14 PM

sendtodave: cousin-merle: Arkanaut: I'm really curious which thread you thought you were posting in.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nork

Australian "English" has such silly words!


Any geezer Farkers from NYC out there who remembers Norton Nork from the The Sandy Becker show?
 
2014-02-06 03:35:03 PM
North Korea is the perfect example (currently) of a country that could be massively improved with shock-and-awe surprise carpet bombing.

Not the civilian areas obviously, but the areas that pose a threat to the south and of course the leadership needs to go.

The US's fleet of stealth bombers (Most of which are classified as fighters for some reason) could do it in a few sorties.
 
2014-02-06 03:39:13 PM

firemanbuck: shower_in_my_socks: Here's an atom bomb test as seen from Los Angeles some time in the 1950s:

[www.retronaut.com image 800x624]

It would be tragicomical to see Lil' Kim launch a nuclear missile and have it successfully cross the Pacific Ocean, only to land harmlessly in a desert wasteland far outside of Los Angeles.

/more photos of atom bomb tests seen from LA here

Imma call BS on those photos.  No tests were ever done in the California Mojave desert...they were all done in Nevada or New Mexico.  The blast cloud wouldn't appear that large from the LA basin for a detonation several hundred miles away.


It's probably Vegas.
 
2014-02-06 03:43:40 PM

El Dudereno: firemanbuck: shower_in_my_socks: Here's an atom bomb test as seen from Los Angeles some time in the 1950s:

[www.retronaut.com image 800x624]

It would be tragicomical to see Lil' Kim launch a nuclear missile and have it successfully cross the Pacific Ocean, only to land harmlessly in a desert wasteland far outside of Los Angeles.

/more photos of atom bomb tests seen from LA here

Imma call BS on those photos.  No tests were ever done in the California Mojave desert...they were all done in Nevada or New Mexico.  The blast cloud wouldn't appear that large from the LA basin for a detonation several hundred miles away.

It's probably Vegas.


I know for a fact that there's no way that's LA, anyways.

If you even could see a nuclear blast from LA, it would take up maybe one or two degrees of the horizon. No atomic blast has ever been so large that it would be seen from that far away and take up so much of the sky.
 
2014-02-06 03:45:45 PM

LavenderWolf: El Dudereno: firemanbuck: shower_in_my_socks: Here's an atom bomb test as seen from Los Angeles some time in the 1950s:

[www.retronaut.com image 800x624]

It would be tragicomical to see Lil' Kim launch a nuclear missile and have it successfully cross the Pacific Ocean, only to land harmlessly in a desert wasteland far outside of Los Angeles.

/more photos of atom bomb tests seen from LA here

Imma call BS on those photos.  No tests were ever done in the California Mojave desert...they were all done in Nevada or New Mexico.  The blast cloud wouldn't appear that large from the LA basin for a detonation several hundred miles away.

It's probably Vegas.

I know for a fact that there's no way that's LA, anyways.

If you even could see a nuclear blast from LA, it would take up maybe one or two degrees of the horizon. No atomic blast has ever been so large that it would be seen from that far away and take up so much of the sky.


Addendum: If that *were* LA, and a bomb were detonated that close, the city would be a radioactive wasteland, and any outlying urban areas in the direction of the blast would probably suffer heavy blast damage.

The old rule is something like "If you hold out your thumb, and the fireball isn't covered, don't bother running because you're already dead."
 
2014-02-06 03:54:43 PM

LavenderWolf: LavenderWolf: El Dudereno: firemanbuck: shower_in_my_socks: Here's an atom bomb test as seen from Los Angeles some time in the 1950s:

[www.retronaut.com image 800x624]

It would be tragicomical to see Lil' Kim launch a nuclear missile and have it successfully cross the Pacific Ocean, only to land harmlessly in a desert wasteland far outside of Los Angeles.

/more photos of atom bomb tests seen from LA here

Imma call BS on those photos.  No tests were ever done in the California Mojave desert...they were all done in Nevada or New Mexico.  The blast cloud wouldn't appear that large from the LA basin for a detonation several hundred miles away.

It's probably Vegas.

I know for a fact that there's no way that's LA, anyways.

If you even could see a nuclear blast from LA, it would take up maybe one or two degrees of the horizon. No atomic blast has ever been so large that it would be seen from that far away and take up so much of the sky.

Addendum: If that *were* LA, and a bomb were detonated that close, the city would be a radioactive wasteland, and any outlying urban areas in the direction of the blast would probably suffer heavy blast damage.

The old rule is something like "If you hold out your thumb, and the fireball isn't covered, don't bother running because you're already dead."


Wow, is that a real rule-of-thumb?  That's pretty farking ridiculous.

/ runs to find some nuke calculators to work it out
 
2014-02-06 03:56:56 PM
I've heard there are only three countries left without a central bank tied in with the global network of central banks. North Korea, Cuba and Sudan(?).


The list recently had Libya and Afghanistan on it.
 
2014-02-06 04:05:31 PM

CygnusDarius: Can the US (And South Korea, to) stop waving its dick at other countries? It's making the rest of the world feel nervous. Especially Russia.


lol, nicely done!
 
2014-02-06 04:34:48 PM

LavenderWolf: North Korea is the perfect example (currently) of a country that could be massively improved with shock-and-awe surprise carpet bombing.

Not the civilian areas obviously, but the areas that pose a threat to the south and of course the leadership needs to go.

The US's fleet of stealth bombers (Most of which are classified as fighters for some reason) could do it in a few sorties.


Plus, we'll be greeted as liberators, and the war will pay for itself!
 
2014-02-06 04:38:12 PM

Evil High Priest: LavenderWolf: North Korea is the perfect example (currently) of a country that could be massively improved with shock-and-awe surprise carpet bombing.

Not the civilian areas obviously, but the areas that pose a threat to the south and of course the leadership needs to go.

The US's fleet of stealth bombers (Most of which are classified as fighters for some reason) could do it in a few sorties.

Plus, we'll be greeted as liberators, and the war will pay for itself!


now we would be pushing our luck, i'm not sure that will work twice in a row
 
2014-02-06 04:47:26 PM

Evil High Priest: LavenderWolf: North Korea is the perfect example (currently) of a country that could be massively improved with shock-and-awe surprise carpet bombing.

Not the civilian areas obviously, but the areas that pose a threat to the south and of course the leadership needs to go.

The US's fleet of stealth bombers (Most of which are classified as fighters for some reason) could do it in a few sorties.

Plus, we'll be greeted as liberators, and the war will pay for itself!


Not really advocating any kind of sustained attack or ground assault. The head needs to be removed, and the artillery pointing at the South needs to be destroyed. Once those are taken care of, then they really pose very little threat to anyone.

Honestly, though, this is China's mess to clean up.
 
2014-02-06 04:51:10 PM

CygnusDarius: the norks can potentially annihilate Seoul.


1. Nope.  That artillery has been deployed for decades now without being fired.  There's quite a lot of doubt that any significant percentage of the guns on the northern side of the DMZ can fire at all, much less more than a few rounds.  At best they could lob a few scud-type missiles, but those are prone to interception (and the South has solid missile defenses).  I'm not saying that the Norks couldn't do quite a lot of damage to Seoul (or threaten the lives of SK civilians), but it wouldn't be the "annihilation" that many people think is the case.  "Serious damage on par with a decent-sized hurricane," maybe.

2. And if they could, why haven't they done it yet?

They're literally the perfect example of "all talk, no c*ck."  At this point, the North's best defense is that they're so damn poor that it would be prohibitively expensive for the US and SK (even China) to pay to rebuild their collective broke ass after the war.
 
2014-02-06 05:03:46 PM

LavenderWolf: The old rule is something like "If you hold out your thumb, and the fireball isn't covered, don't bother running because you're already dead."


Depends on yield. Maybe for a strategic "city-killer" however we actually do have some that you can watch the fireball safely. Don't even need to MOPP up for the radiatioactive dust, just a wet handkerchief over mouth and nose. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Atomic_Demolition_Munition 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_Atomic_Demolition_Munition
 
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