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2014-02-06 09:32:25 AM
My daughter dresses herself in pink and I buy her the toys she asks for.

FTA:  ""Why should girls be brought up in an all-pink environment? It's now got to the point where it is difficult to buy toys for girls in particular, which are not pink, princess-primed and/or fairy-infused."

Know why this is true?  Because they toy makers follow the PROFITS!  They sell what the girls want, not set the standard.  Good grief.
 
2014-02-06 12:07:13 PM
Dunno.  We shouldn't force our kids into gender roles, but some individuals might like things that conform to would we might consider to be gender roles.  Just don't cancel shows because girls might buy the toys and don't bully people until they attempt suicide.
 
2014-02-06 12:12:14 PM
All the problems with the economy, and this tops this person's charts?

www.sipree.com
 
2014-02-06 12:43:49 PM
The problem with encouraging girls to wear pink is they grow up to be women.
Women should not wear pink.
It only encourages fat women to wear pink.
When fat women wear pink, they look like sows, bleached hippos, those dancing hippo ballerinas from that Disney movie. Babby elephants.
No one wants to see that.
Stop encouraging girls to wear pink.

Dont' get me started on purple.
Both colors are indications there is something fraked up between her ears.
Purple is more stabby than pink, but both are daddy issue colors.
 
2014-02-06 12:54:44 PM

vudukungfu: The problem with encouraging girls to wear pink is they grow up to be women.
Women should not wear pink.
It only encourages fat women to wear pink.
When fat women wear pink, they look like sows, bleached hippos, those dancing hippo ballerinas from that Disney movie. Babby elephants.
No one wants to see that.
Stop encouraging girls to wear pink.

Dont' get me started on purple.
Both colors are indications there is something fraked up between her ears.
Purple is more stabby than pink, but both are daddy issue colors.


Sometimes, pink is just pink.
 
2014-02-06 01:42:40 PM
Harpies love to pretend that gender isn't something defined by genetics.
 
2014-02-06 01:45:48 PM

AntiGravitas: FTA:  ""Why should girls be brought up in an all-pink environment? It's now got to the point where it is difficult to buy toys for girls in particular, which are not pink, princess-primed and/or fairy-infused."

Know why this is true?  Because they toy makers follow the PROFITS!  They sell what the girls want, not set the standard.  Good grief.


That's simplistic.  There's a feedback loop here.  Pink wasn't even originally a girl color.  But it became popular, partly through marketing, and then a "phase transition" occurred:  once enough girls wanted pink, their peers wanted pink too.  So yes, they are setting a standard, and following the profits.
 
2014-02-06 01:46:07 PM
Duh..... Parents have known for years that dressing children in gender-specific colors limits their potential.

/Summoning Ric Romero......
 
2014-02-06 01:46:28 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Harpies love to pretend that gender isn't something defined by genetics.


Nah.
 
2014-02-06 01:47:59 PM

vudukungfu: The problem with encouraging girls to wear pink is they grow up to be women.
Women should not wear pink.
It only encourages fat women to wear pink.
When fat women wear pink, they look like sows, bleached hippos, those dancing hippo ballerinas from that Disney movie. Babby elephants.
No one wants to see that.
Stop encouraging girls to wear pink.

Dont' get me started on purple.
Both colors are indications there is something fraked up between her ears.
Purple is more stabby than pink, but both are daddy issue colors.


Is this a Direct TV commercial?
 
2014-02-06 01:50:42 PM

El Dudereno: Is this a Direct TV commercial?


PRETTY MUCH
but not pretty in pink,
 
2014-02-06 01:50:53 PM
Really? So, were gonna force girls to play with trucks and boys to play with dolls, or something?

/ let the kids decide what they want to play with.

// my mom dressed me in pink when I was small; and I turned into a steak eating, beer drinking, deer hunting guy just fine.
 
2014-02-06 01:54:05 PM
I've heard stories about parents trying to raise their kids "gender-neutral."  The girls still want to go for the dolls, or use the bed of a toy pick-up truck as a cradle, the boys still go for the toy soldiers.

My 12-year-old son is slightly autistic.  He loves toy cars.  He loves taking things apart, and building things--and he's pretty good with tools.  For all I know he may one day be an engineer, but people like that might think I'm limiting him if I don't buy him Barbie dolls and try to get him interested in fashion design.

 
2014-02-06 01:54:07 PM
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Yeah, because if you're not a girly girl in pink, you grow up to be a rough-housing tomboy lesbian.

Obviously.
 
2014-02-06 01:56:15 PM
Gender neutral marketing has been tried and failed.   'nuff said.  Bring on the pink.
 
2014-02-06 01:59:20 PM

AntiGravitas: My daughter dresses herself in pink and I buy her the toys she asks for.

FTA:  ""Why should girls be brought up in an all-pink environment? It's now got to the point where it is difficult to buy toys for girls in particular, which are not pink, princess-primed and/or fairy-infused."

Know why this is true?  Because they toy makers follow the PROFITS!  They sell what the girls want, not set the standard.  Good grief.


The standard wasn't set by girls, either. Given the choice, across cultures, the majority of people tend to prefer blue. A random series of technological developments, gender role panics, and marketing decisions led to the "all girls' crap must be pink" ideology we have now. And since the percentage of toys and other stuff marketed toward girls is so overwhelmingly pink now, you can't really say that girls today prefer it. They have nothing to compare it to.

/don't give a dang what color anybody's kid wears
 
2014-02-06 02:01:10 PM
Well to be fair, the whole blue vs pink thing is a 20th century creation designed to make parents buy twice as many clothes since there are no longer universal 'childhood clothes' to be handed down.
 
2014-02-06 02:03:00 PM

vudukungfu: The problem with encouraging girls to wear pink is they grow up to be women.
Women should not wear pink.
It only encourages fat women to wear pink.
When fat women wear pink, they look like sows, bleached hippos, those dancing hippo ballerinas from that Disney movie. Babby elephants.
No one wants to see that.
Stop encouraging girls to wear pink.

Dont' get me started on purple.
Both colors are indications there is something fraked up between her ears.
Purple is more stabby than pink, but both are daddy issue colors.


Shhhh. It took a lot of work to get the crazies to color code themselves so we can avoid them.
Don't ruin it.
 
2014-02-06 02:06:17 PM

vudukungfu: The problem with encouraging girls to wear pink is they grow up to be women.
Women should not wear pink.
It only encourages fat women to wear pink.
When fat women wear pink, they look like sows, bleached hippos, those dancing hippo ballerinas from that Disney movie. Babby elephants.
No one wants to see that.
Stop encouraging girls to wear pink.


Dont' get me started on purple.
Both colors are indications there is something fraked up between her ears.
Purple is more stabby than pink, but both are daddy issue colors.


CSB: We did the whole "teach the baby sign language" thing with my daughter. It worked amazingly well... Anyway, at the end of your street is what used to be a Sinclair gas station, complete with the dinosaur pout on the corner... For whatever reason, it was pink, so we always pointed out to my daughter the we lived by 'The Pink Dinosaur', complete with the sign for 'dinosaur'.

One day, when she was about a year and a half old, she was going somewhere with my brother in law, and they passed a huge woman on the sidewalk in a pink Mu-Mu. Out of nowhere, my daughter looks at the woman and starts making the 'dinosaur' sign over and over... She had mistaken this fat woman for a pink brontosaurus...
 
2014-02-06 02:07:04 PM
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2014-02-06 02:07:43 PM

Miss Alexandra: I've heard stories about parents trying to raise their kids "gender-neutral."  The girls still want to go for the dolls, or use the bed of a toy pick-up truck as a cradle, the boys still go for the toy soldiers.


I imagine a fair bit of confirmation bias goes on whenever a girl being raised "gender-neutral" picks up a doll or a boy picks up a toy truck. "See! She likes dolls! The stereotypes were right all along!"

Plenty of kids are raised without being overly pushed into stereotypical "girl" stuff or "boy" stuff and they don't automatically revert to some standard set by 1950s Mattel marketing execs.
 
2014-02-06 02:08:05 PM
Society has officially reverted to a sad, sick parody of itself.
 
2014-02-06 02:08:13 PM
Doesn't affect kids... but regarding pink something important all men should know.

Studies have shown women subconsciously are more likely to wear red or pink shades when at peak fertility. Least likely when menstrating.

Why is this important?

It means if there is a girl you want to pick up: you have better odds of picking her up when she is wearing pink and horny.


Naturally, this isn't fool proof, but studies have shown a strong correlation.
 
2014-02-06 02:08:17 PM
Without reading tfa it makes sense.

They want us to be grey, conformist, non-individual. It makes them more money.

Of course, a few are paid to be clowns with bells and whistles to stimulate consumer drive, but they need a lot more ditch diggers than prized turkeys. Just my 2¢
 
2014-02-06 02:09:08 PM

iheartscotch: Really? So, were gonna force girls to play with trucks and boys to play with dolls, or something?

/ let the kids decide what they want to play with.

// my mom dressed me in pink when I was small; and I turned into a steak eating, beer drinking, deer hunting guy just fine.



But you were born a female.
 
2014-02-06 02:09:40 PM

someonelse: Miss Alexandra: I've heard stories about parents trying to raise their kids "gender-neutral."  The girls still want to go for the dolls, or use the bed of a toy pick-up truck as a cradle, the boys still go for the toy soldiers.

I imagine a fair bit of confirmation bias goes on whenever a girl being raised "gender-neutral" picks up a doll or a boy picks up a toy truck. "See! She likes dolls! The stereotypes were right all along!"

Plenty of kids are raised without being overly pushed into stereotypical "girl" stuff or "boy" stuff and they don't automatically revert to some standard set by 1950s Mattel marketing execs.


And "I" imagine magic Leprechauns dance outside my window at night. Doesn't make it so.
 
2014-02-06 02:09:46 PM
And girls...

Guys have been shown to show a preference to girls dressed in red/pink than any other colour.

So if you want to pick up guys your best bet is to wear red.
 
2014-02-06 02:11:59 PM

CleanAndPure: And girls...

Guys have been shown to show a preference to girls dressed in red/pink than any other colour.

So if you want to pick up guys your best bet is to wear red.


Yes it is--it's true
yes it is
 
2014-02-06 02:12:55 PM
I dunno. My 6 year old daughter absolutely loves pink, although we've never pushed her in that direction. Maybe it was friends that had pink or something. We've basically let her make the color choices. We put an addition on our house so each kid would have their own room and you can probably guess what color she wanted her room to be. It looks like a 55-gallon drum of pepto-bismol exploded in there and she could not be happier.

If that's what she wants, so be it. I think it would cause more problems to work on subverting that desire in order to get her to want a lesser girly style than to just keep offering options and let her pick what she wants (within reason, of course)
 
2014-02-06 02:13:55 PM

someonelse: Miss Alexandra: I've heard stories about parents trying to raise their kids "gender-neutral."  The girls still want to go for the dolls, or use the bed of a toy pick-up truck as a cradle, the boys still go for the toy soldiers.

I imagine a fair bit of confirmation bias goes on whenever a girl being raised "gender-neutral" picks up a doll or a boy picks up a toy truck. "See! She likes dolls! The stereotypes were right all along!"

Plenty of kids are raised without being overly pushed into stereotypical "girl" stuff or "boy" stuff and they don't automatically revert to some standard set by 1950s Mattel marketing execs.


Know what...my sister and I did have Hot Wheels cars when we were kids.  We had a "How the West was Won" playset back in the late 70s.  But we still preferred our Barbie dolls.  Our parents didn't push us in either direction.

Come to think of it, our Doberman liked Hot Wheels too, she'd push them along with her nose.
 
2014-02-06 02:14:04 PM

iheartscotch: Really? So, were gonna force girls to play with trucks and boys to play with dolls, or something?

/ let the kids decide what they want to play with.

// my mom dressed me in pink when I was small; and I turned into a steak eating, beer drinking, deer hunting guy just fine.


My wife didn't want my stepsons playing with toy guns, she figured later they could go shooting if they wanted, but she didn't want to contribute to the gun culture idea, basically. She gave this up after they were about 5, and had been making guns with their hands and doing the 'pew! pew!' sound for years.

With my daughter, she started playing with things like purses and dolls on her own. She plays Mommy to her stuffed animals and all of this stuff, but took the general pile of toys she got from her brothers and started on her own. Later, we gave her regular dolls, but she started out from the beginning trying to emulate her mom. She's still an awesome little Tomboy mix, but I made a point of trying not to influence her to see what would happen, and like with my stepsons, it fell to more or less gender defined lines, with some variation.
 
2014-02-06 02:14:30 PM

baconbeard: someonelse: Miss Alexandra: I've heard stories about parents trying to raise their kids "gender-neutral."  The girls still want to go for the dolls, or use the bed of a toy pick-up truck as a cradle, the boys still go for the toy soldiers.

I imagine a fair bit of confirmation bias goes on whenever a girl being raised "gender-neutral" picks up a doll or a boy picks up a toy truck. "See! She likes dolls! The stereotypes were right all along!"

Plenty of kids are raised without being overly pushed into stereotypical "girl" stuff or "boy" stuff and they don't automatically revert to some standard set by 1950s Mattel marketing execs.

And "I" imagine magic Leprechauns dance outside my window at night. Doesn't make it so.


Whatever floats your boat.
 
2014-02-06 02:14:52 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 350x496]


Ducky is so friggin' cool... One of the best movie characters ever.
 
2014-02-06 02:16:29 PM
I don't see how it could be harming the economy, I buy lots of lotion and I make my own cloths
 
2014-02-06 02:19:33 PM
And NO WIRE HANGERS!!!
denverlibrary.org
 
2014-02-06 02:20:06 PM
My kids didn't have toys while they were growing up. As soon as they could walk I put them to work in the coal mines. And they liked it!
 
2014-02-06 02:23:11 PM

vudukungfu: Dont' get me started on purple.
Both colors are indications there is something fraked up between her ears.
Purple is more stabby than pink, but both are daddy issue colors.


img.fark.net
 
2014-02-06 02:26:46 PM
My daughter's both wanted pink bedrooms when they were little, so we painted their walls pink. Then the youngest got sick of pink and wanted the walls painted maroon and black. The oldest now has a bedroom that's entirely blue. Kid's change. Roll with it.
 
2014-02-06 02:28:01 PM
Damn apostrophe. Where is the edit option? WHERE?
 
2014-02-06 02:30:38 PM

CleanAndPure: Studies have shown women subconsciously are more likely to wear red or pink shades when at peak fertility. Least likely when menstrating.


Not really (and followup).
 
2014-02-06 02:34:13 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: iheartscotch: Really? So, were gonna force girls to play with trucks and boys to play with dolls, or something?

/ let the kids decide what they want to play with.

// my mom dressed me in pink when I was small; and I turned into a steak eating, beer drinking, deer hunting guy just fine.


But you were born a female.


Negative, I guess mom just wanted a girl. She got 3 sons.

Although, that would explain my lesbian tendencies...

/ just the though of 2 hawt blondes; rubbing on each other....
 
2014-02-06 02:34:53 PM

CleanAndPure: And girls...

Guys have been shown to show a preference to girls dressed in red/pink than any other colour.

So if you want to pick up guys your best bet is to wear red.


www.matrix-explained.com
 
2014-02-06 02:51:05 PM
Just one more step in feminism's march to irrelevance.
 
2014-02-06 03:06:47 PM
Sooo.....if little girls want to dress in pink and play with dolls, we should discourage it? BUT, if little boys want to dress in pink and play with dolls, we MUSTencourage it.
 
2014-02-06 03:13:45 PM
I'd be more interested in studies of this area if kids were being raised without a tv or advertising to influence their fashion decisions.

do girls prefer pink because they actually prefer pink? or are they being influenced from the girls they see in commercials?

without a control group that is raised completely outside society's influence there is no way to know for sure. (Maybe they could go to some remote tribe in the amazon and ask the little boys and girls which colours they prefer) Of course that group would also have their own stereotypes that they believe are biological characteristics of gender.

I have a hard time believing that people are biologically programmed to like a colour based on if they are a boy or girl. There is also no way to prove this one way or another since people aren't raised in a vacuum.

why does it have to be either nature or nurture anyway but not a little of both?

lets just keep pigeon-holing everything into two categories then shall we?


If they are addressing this topic they might as well also address the stigma attached to boys playing with girl toys or wearing pink. Its seems admirable to make "boy" stuff accessible to girls but making "girl" stuff accessible to boys is still less culturally acceptable.

equality indeed
 
2014-02-06 03:21:20 PM
Eh, my 4 year old daughter loves pink.  It's her favorite color.  Right behind it are blue and green.  Then red, followed by every color but purple.  When she remembers it, she hates purple.

She also likes playing with dolls and stuffed animals.  She has a set of magnetic building block like toys that she likes to make spaceships out of.  She likes to make cars and airplanes out of Duplo blocks.

Some of the stuff she does is gender neutral, some of it fits in with gender stereotype.  I try and make sure she isn't shoehorned into a gender stereotype, but also don't force her out of it.  She can pick and choose what she wants.

She picks things up from classmates though.. she tried to convince me once that boys can't wear pink, only girls.  Took a bit, but talked her out of that one.. I think it was referencing several professional wrestlers that helped win that one.

Basically, I just try and make sure she isn't restricted in life from accomplishing things because she is female, nor do I want her to resent her gender.
 
2014-02-06 03:38:05 PM
You know, I don't think I'm alone in thinking I haven't studied this issue closely enough.
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2014-02-06 03:39:01 PM

umad: Just one more step in feminism's march to irrelevance.


Feminism is always relevant, although the particular application and variety might leave something to be desired. I dropped my toddler off at daycare today wearing pink mainly because pink is a soothing, calming colour and maybe it would reduce her hobby of stabbing people.
 
2014-02-06 03:40:59 PM
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What the fark are you wearing, Kimber? Is that a pink tutu?
Jesus Christ I almost pinned you to my chest to support breast cancer...
 
2014-02-06 03:48:13 PM
The problem is not pink, the problem is lack of choice.  Choice is inclusive of pink.
 
2014-02-06 04:32:30 PM

Nurglitch: umad: Just one more step in feminism's march to irrelevance.

Feminism is always relevant, although the particular application and variety might leave something to be desired. I dropped my toddler off at daycare today wearing pink mainly because pink is a soothing, calming colour and maybe it would reduce her hobby of stabbing people.


img.fark.net
 
2014-02-06 04:36:27 PM
Why is it that there has been a trend to take gender neutral toys and make versions specifically for girls? Look at the original toys like etch-a-sketch, or slinky, or lite brite, or lego, or any number of all around neutral toys. And then look at the number of recently added pink/purple versions 'For Girls' that have come out. Is there some sort of hidden message that girls can't play with anything unless there's a version specifically for them? Is 'neutral' not good enough?

/and I spent most of TFA wondering WTF a pushchair was
//farking british and their inability to speak proper english
 
2014-02-06 04:41:03 PM

AntiGravitas: My daughter dresses herself in pink and I buy her the toys she asks for.

FTA:  ""Why should girls be brought up in an all-pink environment? It's now got to the point where it is difficult to buy toys for girls in particular, which are not pink, princess-primed and/or fairy-infused."

Know why this is true?  Because they toy makers follow the PROFITS!  They sell what the girls want, not set the standard.  Good grief.


Little girls didn't demand pink until they were told to. In fact, it used to be that pink was for boys and blue for girls. And before that? Blue for blondes, pink for brunettes -- but this meant that people could reuse all the same stuff for babies of different sexes. Department stores wanted to sell twice as much crap, so they started color-coding the genders.

Don't believe me? Look it up. It is easily accessible information.

Don't assume little girls want pink -- like everyone else, they want to fit in. If they're told that liking pink is how they do that, if that's supposed to be part of what defines them as girls, then they'll express a preference for pink. And the little girls who hate pink? Little girls who hate dolls and homemaking toys? Well, it really sucks for them.

How are little girls supposed to become architects if they can't even have REAL legos?
 
2014-02-06 04:43:28 PM

Miss Alexandra: I've heard stories about parents trying to raise their kids "gender-neutral."  The girls still want to go for the dolls, or use the bed of a toy pick-up truck as a cradle, the boys still go for the toy soldiers.

My 12-year-old son is slightly autistic.  He loves toy cars.  He loves taking things apart, and building things--and he's pretty good with tools.  For all I know he may one day be an engineer, but people like that might think I'm limiting him if I don't buy him Barbie dolls and try to get him interested in fashion design.


Really? All girls go for dolls, huh? All boys love toy cars?

Do you even listen to yourself?

It's not about raising kids gender neutral -- it's about not painting them into corners. You don't have to pick cars or dolls -- kids of both genders should be able to freely choose both and many would if not for the stigma and incredible social pressure to conform to stated gender norms.
 
2014-02-06 04:44:14 PM

weltallica: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 600x400]

Yeah, because if you're not a girly girl in pink, you grow up to be a rough-housing tomboy lesbian.


NTTAWWT
 
2014-02-06 04:55:18 PM
Paging Sheriff Joe.
 
2014-02-06 04:56:59 PM

ennuie: AntiGravitas: My daughter dresses herself in pink and I buy her the toys she asks for.

FTA:  ""Why should girls be brought up in an all-pink environment? It's now got to the point where it is difficult to buy toys for girls in particular, which are not pink, princess-primed and/or fairy-infused."

Know why this is true?  Because they toy makers follow the PROFITS!  They sell what the girls want, not set the standard.  Good grief.

Little girls didn't demand pink until they were told to. In fact, it used to be that pink was for boys and blue for girls. And before that? Blue for blondes, pink for brunettes -- but this meant that people could reuse all the same stuff for babies of different sexes. Department stores wanted to sell twice as much crap, so they started color-coding the genders.

Don't believe me? Look it up. It is easily accessible information.

Don't assume little girls want pink -- like everyone else, they want to fit in. If they're told that liking pink is how they do that, if that's supposed to be part of what defines them as girls, then they'll express a preference for pink. And the little girls who hate pink? Little girls who hate dolls and homemaking toys? Well, it really sucks for them.

How are little girls supposed to become architects if they can't even have REAL legos?


Exactly.  They want to fit in.  And if mom and dad go all gender "deconstruction" they will likely do what mom and dad tell them to fit in with them.  So they are never really "liberated from gender constructs" they just switch where they are trying to fit in.

And I do not know a girl who felt TRAPPED by hating dolls and homemaking toys.  The ones I know just go get the toys from the "boys" section.   I think adults think about this WAY MUCH MORE than the kiddos do.
 
2014-02-06 05:10:23 PM

AntiGravitas: ennuie: AntiGravitas: My daughter dresses herself in pink and I buy her the toys she asks for.

FTA:  ""Why should girls be brought up in an all-pink environment? It's now got to the point where it is difficult to buy toys for girls in particular, which are not pink, princess-primed and/or fairy-infused."

Know why this is true?  Because they toy makers follow the PROFITS!  They sell what the girls want, not set the standard.  Good grief.

Little girls didn't demand pink until they were told to. In fact, it used to be that pink was for boys and blue for girls. And before that? Blue for blondes, pink for brunettes -- but this meant that people could reuse all the same stuff for babies of different sexes. Department stores wanted to sell twice as much crap, so they started color-coding the genders.

Don't believe me? Look it up. It is easily accessible information.

Don't assume little girls want pink -- like everyone else, they want to fit in. If they're told that liking pink is how they do that, if that's supposed to be part of what defines them as girls, then they'll express a preference for pink. And the little girls who hate pink? Little girls who hate dolls and homemaking toys? Well, it really sucks for them.

How are little girls supposed to become architects if they can't even have REAL legos?

Exactly.  They want to fit in.  And if mom and dad go all gender "deconstruction" they will likely do what mom and dad tell them to fit in with them.  So they are never really "liberated from gender constructs" they just switch where they are trying to fit in.

And I do not know a girl who felt TRAPPED by hating dolls and homemaking toys.  The ones I know just go get the toys from the "boys" section.   I think adults think about this WAY MUCH MORE than the kiddos do.


You know one now. It didn't help that I grew up in the Bible Belt. It was a constant stream of strangers and people I barely knew butting in on me and my parents and telling us that I didn't dress right and didn't play with the right toys (I liked building models and playing with dinosaurs). Despite outperforming male classmates in math and science, it took a long time to have any teachers suggest careers in math and science to me; first it was journalism, then being a lawyer -- because smart girls should go into languagey stuff, and logical girls should too.

You shouldn't raise kids to have no construct of gender (which is NOT what raising gender-neutral means despite the way people use the term here), but you're supposed to not foist anything on them. Some kids of either sex will really like what we think of as feminine toys, and some kids of both sexes will really like what we call masculine toys, and lots of kids will like some mixture. And that shouldn't say anything about who or what they can be. Childhood is a time to find out who you are and to explore being all kinds of people, not just through play, but through daily interactions. Instead people insist on telling kids who they are. It's crappy.
 
2014-02-06 05:51:05 PM
Jenny Willott, the Minister for Employment Relations and Consumer Affairs and probable Mommy-blogger, expressed her opposition to the gender-specific marketing of children's toys

FTFY.
 
2014-02-06 06:06:15 PM

Ambitwistor: AntiGravitas: FTA:  ""Why should girls be brought up in an all-pink environment? It's now got to the point where it is difficult to buy toys for girls in particular, which are not pink, princess-primed and/or fairy-infused."

Know why this is true?  Because they toy makers follow the PROFITS!  They sell what the girls want, not set the standard.  Good grief.

That's simplistic.  There's a feedback loop here.  Pink wasn't even originally a girl color.  But it became popular, partly through marketing, and then a "phase transition" occurred:  once enough girls wanted pink, their peers wanted pink too.  So yes, they are setting a standard, and following the profits.


That sounds like a "chicken or egg" explanation. Didn't this topic show up on FARK last week? Buying overpriced plastic crap for kids is nonsense anyway, give them a big brown cardboard box and let them use their imagination.
 
2014-02-06 06:11:58 PM
Pink is a boys' color.
 
2014-02-06 06:38:14 PM
Every day I wake up wishing I was privileged enough that the colour of a child's toy was the biggest problem in my life.
 
2014-02-06 06:45:56 PM

baconbeard: Every day I wake up wishing I was privileged enough that the colour of a child's toy was the biggest problem in my life.


Sorry to hear of your misfortunes. You may take a small measure of comfort in the fact that nobody in the history of humanity has ever thought the color of a child's toy was the biggest problem in their life.
 
2014-02-06 06:49:39 PM
As the first time father of a little girl who's not yet 1 year old, I didn't realize that "back in the day" pink was the masculine color.  At least for a little while.  Apparently back before the mid 19th century, kids wore "kids" clothes, and they were gender neutral.  Then color crept in, with blue being for girls and pink being for boys.  Around the 1940's, that flipped around again to what it is today.  Honestly, the gender neutral stuff would be nice.  We've got plenty of "girly" clothes, both in color and imagery/frills, but we've been trying to get more neutral stuff in preparation for #2 somewhere down the line.  We'd like to buy as few new clothes as possible, since they grow out of them so fast.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/when-did-girls-start-wear in g-pink-1370097/

"It's really a story of what happened to neutral clothing," says Paoletti, who has explored the meaning of children's clothing for 30 years. For centuries, she says, children wore dainty white dresses up to age 6. "What was once a matter of practicality-you dress your baby in white dresses and diapers; white cotton can be bleached-became a matter of 'Oh my God, if I dress my baby in the wrong thing, they'll grow up perverted,' " Paoletti says.
The march toward gender-specific clothes was neither linear nor rapid. Pink and blue arrived, along with other pastels, as colors for babies in the mid-19th century, yet the two colors were not promoted as gender signifiers until just before World War I-and even then, it took time for popular culture to sort things out.
For example, a June 1918 article from the trade publication Earnshaw's Infants' Department said, "The generally accepted rule is pink for the boys, and blue for the girls. The reason is that pink, being a more decided and stronger color, is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl." Other sources said blue was flattering for blonds, pink for brunettes; or blue was for blue-eyed babies, pink for brown-eyed babies, according to Paoletti.
In 1927, Time magazine printed a chart showing sex-appropriate colors for girls and boys according to leading U.S. stores. In Boston, Filene's told parents to dress boys in pink. So did Best & Co. in New York City, Halle's in Cleveland and Marshall Field in Chicago.
Today's color dictate wasn't established until the 1940s, as a result of Americans' preferences as interpreted by manufacturers and retailers. "It could have gone the other way," Paoletti says.
So the baby boomers were raised in gender-specific clothing. Boys dressed like their fathers, girls like their mothers. Girls had to wear dresses to school, though unadorned styles and tomboy play clothes were acceptable.
 
2014-02-06 07:00:46 PM

vudukungfu: The problem with encouraging girls to wear pink is they grow up to be women.
Women should not wear pink.
It only encourages fat women to wear pink.
When fat women wear pink, they look like sows, bleached hippos, those dancing hippo ballerinas from that Disney movie. Babby elephants.
No one wants to see that.
Stop encouraging girls to wear pink.

Dont' get me started on purple.
Both colors are indications there is something fraked up between her ears.
Purple is more stabby than pink, but both are daddy issue colors.


-- Reminds me of a DirecTV commercial, rolling with it.

When you wear pink, flamingos decide the color has been done.
When flamingos decide the color has been done, they evolve into hipster birds.
When flamingos evolve into hipster birds, they give up chirping and start singing show tunes.
When flamingos sing show tunes, sparrows take up death metal.
When sparrows take up death metal, you wake up early on your weekend.
Don't wake up early on your weekend.
 
2014-02-06 10:27:49 PM
I thought Despicable Me 2 was surprisingly feminist in a way.  The opening scene was a birthday party Gru was giving for Agens (his youngest daughter), who is looking forward to a visit from the fairy princess (wearing pink, of course).  Meanwhile, her older sister is dressed all in black, has a ninja sword, and charges through an obstacle course full of traps.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but the message seemed to be that girls can love (or want to be) pink fairy princesses and/or deadly ninjas, and both are equally valid.
 
2014-02-06 11:07:59 PM
Pink?

They all are, on the inside.
 
2014-02-07 11:33:14 AM
We must all try as hard as possible to make people out of the norm feel more comfortable
 
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