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2014-02-06 08:53:55 AM  
10 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: An underfunded IRS is a good thing for everyone.


From the point of view of an antisocial psychopath, yes. A normal person, not so much.
2014-02-06 09:17:57 AM  
9 votes:

dantheman195: jso2897: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: An underfunded IRS is a good thing for everyone.

From the point of view of an antisocial psychopath, yes. A normal person, not so much.

Could you explain how this is bad for a 'normal person'?

Thank you


Yes: A normal person values his own survival.
For modern man to exist as modern man, civilization is necessary.
For civilization to exist, government is necessary.
For government to exist, taxes must be levied and collected.
For that to happen, the IRS, or something like it, is necessary.
Therefore, and intelligent person realizes that such an institution is necessary to his survival as a modern, civilized man.
Normal people value their own survival, and do not regard things that are necessary to their own survival as "bad".
2014-02-06 09:06:46 AM  
9 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: An underfunded IRS is a good thing for everyone.


jso2897: From the point of view of an antisocial psychopath, yes. A normal person, not so much.


dantheman195: Could you explain how this is bad for a 'normal person'?


Because I pay my goddamn motherfarking taxes.  I don't play games so I've never once had a problem with the IRS.
If the IRS lacks the resources to catch the cheaters, that either causes tax rates to go up  to compensate or destabilizes government and right now we're staring down both barrels.

You want the IRS to be underfunded, odds are it's because you're an "I got mine" greedy sociopathic cheater of a liar.
If you don't like our abominable tax code, take your grievances to the guys that write terrible bills.  The IRS are the poor slobs whose duty is to make Congress' gobbledegook work.


. . . Then again, I suppose an honest responsible citizen is the furthest thing from a "normal person" in this country these days, no never farkin' mind.
2014-02-06 09:10:10 AM  
6 votes:

dantheman195: jso2897: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: An underfunded IRS is a good thing for everyone.

From the point of view of an antisocial psychopath, yes. A normal person, not so much.

Could you explain how this is bad for a 'normal person'?


Left to their own devices, many people will cheat on their taxes (either underpaying what they owe, or claiming refunds that they are not entitled to). People who cheat on their taxes deprive the government of revenue to fund important services and cause honest taxpayers to shoulder a bigger burden. Having an agency that vigorously enforces tax obligations against those who cheat is a positive thing for the honest taxpayer.

/bracing for the incoming derpstorm...
2014-02-06 08:47:35 AM  
6 votes:
The RNC's new slogan should be, "Always the victim."
2014-02-06 12:21:17 PM  
4 votes:

Summercat: In this thread, someone is arguing for a flat consumption tax as a sole tax with no others.

And I think only one person called him on it.

This leaves me sad.


Not everybody wants to confront the crazy homeless guy whose beating off at the bus station either.

It's an apt comparison.
2014-02-06 11:08:28 AM  
4 votes:
Don't you mean their ability to investigate groups that are clearly political but set up as non-profits?

Because that's what these Tea Party groups are.
2014-02-06 09:24:39 AM  
4 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: dragonchild: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: An underfunded IRS is a good thing for everyone.

jso2897: From the point of view of an antisocial psychopath, yes. A normal person, not so much.

dantheman195: Could you explain how this is bad for a 'normal person'?

Because I pay my goddamn motherfarking taxes.  I don't play games so I've never once had a problem with the IRS.
If the IRS lacks the resources to catch the cheaters, that either causes tax rates to go up  to compensate or destabilizes government and right now we're staring down both barrels.

You want the IRS to be underfunded, odds are it's because you're an "I got mine" greedy sociopathic cheater of a liar.
If you don't like our abominable tax code, take your grievances to the guys that write terrible bills.  The IRS are the poor slobs whose duty is to make Congress' gobbledegook work.


. . . Then again, I suppose an honest responsible citizen is the furthest thing from a "normal person" in this country these days, no never farkin' mind.

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Go get some sleep, and come back when you're ready to have a civil conversation.


Sounds to me like he has his priorities straight.  The only people who believe that it would be good to underfund or disband the IRS are either greedy sociopaths or ignoramuses.  If you don't like being lumped in with those two groups then that's not dragonchild's fault.

Put it this way: it has been detailed in this thread why underfunding or disbanding the IRS would be not just a bad thing but a very bad thing.  If you could state why you think it would be a good thing to disrupt the IRS' ability to collect revenue that properly funds the government, please do so.
2014-02-06 09:09:33 AM  
4 votes:

dantheman195: Could you explain how this is bad for a 'normal person'?


I'll remember that the next time I hear some idiot whining about unfixed potholes on a road with no money in its budget because some dick filled out his tax forms "creatively" and the IRS didn't have the staff to go after him. Or I'm listening to some asshole whining that he hates the IRS so much because every time he calls with a simple question the hold time is four hours.
2014-02-06 08:57:34 AM  
4 votes:

EvilEgg: Isn't prosecuting how the IRS raises its income?


You have to REALLY REALLY REALLY piss off the IRS to end up in court. Basically if you aren't extremely wealthy, famous, or do something incredibly outright criminal to defraud them, they are more than happy to tack on some interest and penalties to your bill for whatever you did and call it a day. They know locking someone up or seizing their assets of your typical middle class person to the point that someone is living in poverty isn't going to help their overall goal, which is getting money from you. Basically they need to know locking you up won't interrupt your income stream, or will make such a big headline that it will keep others in line to follow that course.

A few years ago we had to unravel a mess of back taxes with an elderly relative of mine, and I found the IRS extremely professional and accommodating while going through everything. They are, after all, a bunch of accountants.
2014-02-06 11:37:20 AM  
3 votes:

dantheman195: I don't think so, you are giving the federal government too much credit.


I'm giving the federal government no credit at all.  They could spend the entire budget on cotton candy and the only way the IRS has anything to do with that is their own operating budget.  They don't decide how the money's spent; it's just their job to collect it.  Projecting your hatred of federal spending on the IRS is about as dumb as a person can possibly get.

Nutsac_Jim: No this is a false choice. You only give two options. Greece, or 75000 pages of IRS regulations.


Are you referring to the tax code, which the IRS has absolutely nothing to do with, or the regulations the IRS basically needs to write to make sense of the madness authored by the sociopaths you voted for?
Sure, simplifying the tax code would result in a smaller IRS.  But fixing the tax code isn't the IRS' job -- beyond making it something resembling functional, anyway.  They don't write legislation; Congress does.  And shrinking the IRS before simplifying the tax code is a great way to flirt with disaster.

Ugh, idiots like this are why America needs the IRS.  This country just wouldn't run with people like this making their own decisions about how to pay their taxes.
2014-02-06 10:51:41 AM  
3 votes:

dantheman195: Maybe the government should spend less money?


What the fark does that have to do with the IRS' job?  Their staffing needs aren't related to government spending; it's tied to cheaters and complexity of legislation they didn't write, and in the former regard alone America would turn into Greece in a heartbeat if it wasn't for the IRS.
2014-02-06 10:28:35 AM  
3 votes:
Sad: IRS too underfunded to "persecute conservatives"

Much sadder: Schools so underfunded that we have conservatives.

"Why yes, I feel it's my duty to vote against my self-interest and personal freedoms time after time, because jesus!"  (*sound of giant multinational corporations snickering from the bushes*)
2014-02-06 09:22:13 AM  
3 votes:

Trollomite: Epic Fap Session: The RNC's new slogan should be, "Always the victim."

I thought that was the NACCP's motto?


The difference is that for a large chunk of America's history, black people were actual victims.
2014-02-06 09:17:55 AM  
3 votes:

dantheman195: jso2897: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: An underfunded IRS is a good thing for everyone.

From the point of view of an antisocial psychopath, yes. A normal person, not so much.

Could you explain how this is bad for a 'normal person'?

Thank you


Because the first item they'll cut is the service that helps people answer questions about their taxes and prepare for audits:

Link
2014-02-06 12:31:52 PM  
2 votes:

Nutsac_Jim: Get rid of it. Tax everyone the same. Omit taxing basic necessities. Poor people still pay 0 tax. Everyone else pays an easy to remember percentage like 10%.

People that actually generate income at tax time, they might be upset. That's understandable. Your jobless brother in law gets upset when you kick him out after 3 years too.


I figured somebody would hint around at a flat tax. Putting the "it f*cks the poor" argument aside a minute...

10% wouldn't meet budget shortfalls, but increase them. You're not a fiscal conservative if you don't believe in using revenue to pay debts. Savings through spending cuts means dick if you can't pay the already outstanding accounts.

Also good luck convincing the people whom profit from write-offs and tax shelters to let those be closed. The flat tax argument argues for very rigorous enforcement, and probably reintroductions of tariffs that could violate existing free trade agreements. You'd need the IRS still to go after the tax cheats hiding their cash off-shore to avoid the 10% rate (And yes, you still would have people trying to avoid even paying that much).

Last before there was progressive income taxation, the federal government taxed all kinds of things, and could go back to doing so again. Nothing about a flat tax prohibits other taxes from being adopted.
2014-02-06 11:33:31 AM  
2 votes:

Nutsac_Jim: Billy Bathsalt: 10% tax on everything you buy targets those of us who spend every penny they get on necessities.  The people who spend 1% of their money and stuff the rest under the mattress (in the Cayman Islands) are smiling even more than usual.

Then don't tax food and aspirin..

Do you really think rich people take their money and stuff it in their mattress on their 80 foot sailboats so they don't have to pay tax on money.  "Cheers, Jeeves.  Check out all this stuff I could have purchased but didnt, because I didnt want to pay tax.  After I die, I want my money burned, so my heirs dont have to pay tax either, unlike those silly commoners buying tax loaded X-Boxen"


Pay the lobbyists to rewrite that portion of the tax code that serves you and yours and have said lobbyists place proposed changes into hands of your lavishly collared lapdog of a Representative.  Utilize the, now, legal loophole to set up shell corp. in some untaxed (preferably) island paradise that also sports absolute confidentiality laws for financial entities, and use that shell to establish others in similarly `unencumbered' jurisdictions (with `boards and stockholders' - on paper - while retaining, through confidential contract, full ownership).  What should have been paid in taxes to service the Republic is, instead, earning interest, `somewhere', and being pocketed by the `cheat'

Paying for politicians who will carry out one's desire to promote more inefficiency in government in order to bootstrap the `gubbmint bad' mantra into the minds of the rubes, all the while further honing the productivity of bribery/graft/reregulation within that government to serve only oneself?  The more one amasses in wealth, the more that person relies on the Risk-Off that accrues to doing so in this Republic - parked between two oceans and surrounded by The Republic's missile subs.  It's not like their sons or daughters will be out their spilling blood the next time push comes to shove.

Somalia is the next big thing, don't you know
2014-02-06 10:15:37 AM  
2 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Go get some sleep, and come back when you're ready to have a civil conversation.


Not with an opening line of, "An underfunded IRS is a good thing for everyone." you aren't. That isn't the opening of a civil conversation, it is the opening of a can of derp.

Hang on, somebody already pointed it out:

give me doughnuts: Look at Greece.
Cheating on taxes was a way of life.


Greeks by-and-large didn't pay their taxes because (among other things) the local version of the IRS didn't or couldn't go after tax cheats.  Leading to their massive budget shortfall.  I realize the right-wing meme is to blame vague undefined "socialism" but the math in their budget would have worked out if they weren't lying to themselves about how much tax fraud was going to happen.
2014-02-06 09:30:21 AM  
2 votes:

Trollomite: Epic Fap Session: The RNC's new slogan should be, "Always the victim."

I thought that was the NACCP's motto?


The National Acronym Confusion Committee Pinheads?
2014-02-06 09:29:43 AM  
2 votes:

dantheman195: jso2897: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: An underfunded IRS is a good thing for everyone.

From the point of view of an antisocial psychopath, yes. A normal person, not so much.

Could you explain how this is bad for a 'normal person'?



I could, but if you honestly don't already understand why we need taxes, nothing I say is going to penetrate your thick skull.
2014-02-06 09:26:09 AM  
2 votes:

dragonchild: Because I pay my goddamn motherfarking taxes.  I don't play games so I've never once had a problem with the IRS.
If the IRS lacks the resources to catch the cheaters, that either causes tax rates to go up  to compensate or destabilizes government and right now we're staring down both barrels.

You want the IRS to be underfunded, odds are it's because you're an "I got mine" greedy sociopathic cheater of a liar.
If you don't like our abominable tax code, take your grievances to the guys that write terrible bills.  The IRS are the poor slobs whose duty is to make Congress' gobbledegook work.


You don't seem to get it.  Taxes are used to pay for  other people's stuff.  The government steals money from me to repair roads I never use, teach children who aren't mine, put out fires at buildings I don't own, and prosecute criminals who didn't do anything to me.  I don't owe anything to this society I'm a part of, since when I was on welfare, did anyone help me?  No!  If I can't notice how much I rely on our infrastructure, that means I shouldn't be obligated to pay for it.

You just don't understand the basic, primal, visceral fear of spending money that may be used to benefit  other people.
2014-02-06 09:05:37 AM  
2 votes:
The Party of Tax Cheats rejoices.
2014-02-06 08:55:36 AM  
2 votes:
Don't change the tax law. Just make it harder to collect. Then, scream about how inefficient government always operates.

/profit
2014-02-06 08:48:25 AM  
2 votes:
This just means that Job Creators won't be so unnecessarily burdened with abiding by trivialities like federal tax law.
2014-02-07 01:59:37 PM  
1 vote:

Mr. Right: Budget cuts mean reduced services and staffing. Meanwhile, just last week it was announced that the IRS would be paying bonuses to managers. They sound like a bank or something.


They announced incorrectly.
http://www.federalnewsradio.com/177/3555510/IRS-to-pay-employee-bonus e s-at-lower-percentage-rate

They kept part of the general employee bonuses from a pool they'd already agreed to with the union, and canceled manager ones entirely.
2014-02-06 12:25:11 PM  
1 vote:
So does this mean they're  going to leave environmental groups alone as well? You know, since they've been  getting harrased by the IRS since before the Tea Party ever even existed (while it's members were still arguing for unlimited government power under "their guy")
2014-02-06 11:03:52 AM  
1 vote:

dantheman195: Maybe the government should spend less money?

Less coming in, spend less money, easy as that.

That is what I would do with my own finances if I made less money. Why can't the government do it as well?

Why send the brown shirts after a waitress or bar tender who forgets to claim all of their tips or the old lady who sold some items at a garage sale?


Okay.  You owe rent, utilities, medical bills, and loans.  You have (voluntarily) only taken in enough income to pay for three of them.  Which are you going to choose to be delinquent on?  This is "easy as that", remember.
2014-02-06 10:28:31 AM  
1 vote:

dragonchild: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: An underfunded IRS is a good thing for everyone.

jso2897: From the point of view of an antisocial psychopath, yes. A normal person, not so much.

dantheman195: Could you explain how this is bad for a 'normal person'?

Because I pay my goddamn motherfarking taxes.  I don't play games so I've never once had a problem with the IRS.
If the IRS lacks the resources to catch the cheaters, that either causes tax rates to go up  to compensate or destabilizes government and right now we're staring down both barrels.

You want the IRS to be underfunded, odds are it's because you're an "I got mine" greedy sociopathic cheater of a liar.
If you don't like our abominable tax code, take your grievances to the guys that write terrible bills.  The IRS are the poor slobs whose duty is to make Congress' gobbledegook work.


. . . Then again, I suppose an honest responsible citizen is the furthest thing from a "normal person" in this country these days, no never farkin' mind.


Maybe the government should spend less money?

Less coming in, spend less money, easy as that.

That is what I would do with my own finances if I made less money. Why can't the government do it as well?

Why send the brown shirts after a waitress or bar tender who forgets to claim all of their tips or the old lady who sold some items at a garage sale?
2014-02-06 10:20:13 AM  
1 vote:

skozlaw: dantheman195: Could you explain how this is bad for a 'normal person'?

I'll remember that the next time I hear some idiot whining about unfixed potholes on a road with no money in its budget because some dick filled out his tax forms "creatively" and the IRS didn't have the staff to go after him. Or I'm listening to some asshole whining that he hates the IRS so much because every time he calls with a simple question the hold time is four hours.


If only the Federal Government did those things. Pot hole filling is generally a local issue paid for with local taxes. State-county-local taxes. Sure the federal government uses funds to repair or expand interstate highways but that money is collected through gas taxes, not income taxes. Please try again.

Drive a hybrid or electric car? Are you cheating the government just like the waitress you "forgets" to report some of her tips?
2014-02-06 10:17:49 AM  
1 vote:

Arkanaut: dantheman195: jso2897: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: An underfunded IRS is a good thing for everyone.

From the point of view of an antisocial psychopath, yes. A normal person, not so much.

Could you explain how this is bad for a 'normal person'?

Thank you

Because the first item they'll cut is the service that helps people answer questions about their taxes and prepare for audits:

Link


Hey, look, that only affects people to poor to have their own accountants.  Who cares about those stinky 99%ers?
2014-02-06 10:05:17 AM  
1 vote:
10% tax on everything you buy targets those of us who spend every penny they get on necessities.  The people who spend 1% of their money and stuff the rest under the mattress (in the Cayman Islands) are smiling even more than usual.
2014-02-06 09:20:00 AM  
1 vote:
Budget cuts are "impacting" something, Subby? Orly? The word "impact" can refer to a car hitting a tree, a meteor hitting the earth, or shiate hardening like concrete as it struggles through the rectum, but other than in figurative terms, the IRS is not being impacted.

The word is "affected". Drink it, followed by a nice mineral oil enema.
2014-02-06 09:16:58 AM  
1 vote:

Epic Fap Session: The RNC's new slogan should be, "Always the victim."


I thought that was the NACCP's motto?
 
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