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(Politico)   Left-wing idol-of-the-month Wendy Davis supports Texas open-carry gun law, becomes right-wing idol-of-the-month   (politico.com) divider line 542
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2014-02-06 11:50:02 AM

sendtodave: NYC just seems to kinda suck when it comes to personal freedoms, doesn't it?


Yes, NYC is a freedomless hellhole. You nailed it.
 
2014-02-06 11:52:09 AM

Jim_Callahan: Great_Milenko: I prefer open carry to concealed carry. Makes it easier to spot the big swinging dicks.

And if somebody is starting to cause a ruckus, and I see they have some chromium confidence strapped to them, I know to get the fark out of there asap.

You do realize that like 99% of the open carry movement is about just not worrying about it, right?  It's about people not panicking or there being any particular connotation to seeing a gun being carried around, beyond a general impression that now you know something about the person's hobbies.

Being strapped for the purposes of intimidating people is and always will be in the "still illegal" category.

// Open carry used to be legal basically everywhere, and you only got in trouble if you tried to conceal your piece.   The logic being that people have guns, deal with it, you pussy, but if they were trying to hide it they were likely up to no good.  Current law is weirdly backward.


*blink*
On your home planet, the people going about their daily business UNarmed are the ones who are afraid.
That's ...


that's ....


special.
 
2014-02-06 11:54:42 AM

TV's Vinnie: Whites with guns: God-fearing Merkins showing their Patriotic Pride
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Blacks with guns: OMG DIRTY GANGBANGERS
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Is it just me, or do the folks in the first picture remind anyone else of those kids from high school who played D&D and read comics, and yet still ended up Republicans?
 
2014-02-06 11:55:15 AM

Dimensio: Muta: Dimensio: Muta was not presenting an argument, thus no "fallacy" was invoked; Muta was attempting to indulge an obsession in an entirely inappropriate forum, and I was commenting on that fact.

No, Muta was presenting his opinion on why he is more comfortable with open carry over concealed carry.  Apparently gun nuts are so closed minded that not only do you have to support open carry but you have to support it for the proper gun nut approved reasons.

That your opinion of the carrying of firearms is in some way related to male genitalia is itself indication of an obsession with male genitalia.


You seem to be fixated on that part of his post while ignoring the rest of it.  Thou doth protest too much.
 
2014-02-06 11:55:18 AM
Open Carry: Be the first target!
 
2014-02-06 11:55:21 AM

DamnYankees: sendtodave: NYC just seems to kinda suck when it comes to personal freedoms, doesn't it?

Yes, NYC is a freedomless hellhole. You nailed it.


Freedom is being able to piss off of your back porch.

So I guess NYC is still cool.
 
2014-02-06 11:55:55 AM

gravy chugging cretin.: WShat Texas open carriers might look like.

[www.opencarrytexas.org image 850x566]


*SNICKER*
 
2014-02-06 11:58:13 AM

Doublespeak: Dimensio: Muta: Dimensio: Muta was not presenting an argument, thus no "fallacy" was invoked; Muta was attempting to indulge an obsession in an entirely inappropriate forum, and I was commenting on that fact.

No, Muta was presenting his opinion on why he is more comfortable with open carry over concealed carry.  Apparently gun nuts are so closed minded that not only do you have to support open carry but you have to support it for the proper gun nut approved reasons.

That your opinion of the carrying of firearms is in some way related to male genitalia is itself indication of an obsession with male genitalia.

You seem to be fixated on that part of his post while ignoring the rest of it.  Thou doth

dost* protest too much.

The laddy doth protest too much, methinks.

/Would have also accepted doest.
 
2014-02-06 11:58:21 AM
Davis' position now aligns her with her Republican gubernatorial rival, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, marking her latest effort to eliminate it as a wedge issue in the campaign.

I thought she was different, now I see she too will say anything to get elected.
 
2014-02-06 12:01:21 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: No


Actually, yes we have.

Again, who gets to determine what constitutes a threat and if it is specific enough?  You still have yet to respond to repeated questions on this as you know that you are hosed as soon as you do.
 
2014-02-06 12:02:01 PM

Descartes: Davis' position now aligns her with her Republican gubernatorial rival, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, marking her latest effort to eliminate it as a wedge issue in the campaign.

I thought she was different, now I see she too will say anything to get elected.


Um with the exception of cc on college campuses she has a pretty pro-gun record.
 
2014-02-06 12:03:13 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: am firmly of the school that walking around armed in public for no good reason should not be inflicted on the public. People who do so increase the risk to themselves and to the general public.


I can look at that and conceptially agree that the having firearms probably do increase the risks for everyone.... but we just went through a time where carry laws have changed.  We have data on before and after allowing carry.  There is no stastical bump, nothing.  I do not feel right basing law on your gut feeling.
 
2014-02-06 12:04:46 PM

dababler: xanadian: Uh. She's Texan. Her open-carry stance surprises people??

She's Texan if she doesn't support open carry she will become a pariah. You'll find some big ol pro-gay marriage, give us canada health care and free uni socialist style liberals down there that are also VERY open Carey.


Actually, guns just aren't that big of  a deal in Texas. Everyone here either shoots or knows someone that does so guns aren't that scary. I'm not surprised she supports open-carry, she probably just doesn't want to talk about guns because it's a non-issue here.
 
2014-02-06 12:05:24 PM

sendtodave: NYC just seems to kinda suck when it comes to personal freedoms, doesn't it?


It really doesn't. You can point to a specific local law and say it's more restrictive than where you live, but you can't generalize from that.

As a lifelong New Yorker, I'm always amused by the non-New Yorkers who seem to think they understand the city better than we do, and invariably say it's worse than it really is.
 
2014-02-06 12:06:51 PM
It's almost like liberals aren't single issue voters.
 
2014-02-06 12:08:01 PM

gravy chugging cretin.: WShat Texas open carriers might look like.

[www.opencarrytexas.org image 850x566]


Looks like the local LARP group.
 
2014-02-06 12:08:30 PM

Fart_Machine: Dancin_In_Anson: cousin-merle: I love that your argument comprises of one data point from a town with fewer people than the college I went to.

So the drop no matter how dramatic doesn't matter because it was in a small town.

I see. At what population would you say that you could make a conclusion? Your university? The city it was located in? Toldeo? Seattle? Dallas? Chicago? NYC?

Do small towns have huge crime rates?


Well, there's this little town in Maine, Cabot Cove, that is just off the charts.
 
2014-02-06 12:09:32 PM

Jim_Callahan: Current law is weirdly backward.


It isn't backward if you remember where the bans on open carry came from.
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2014-02-06 12:11:30 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: metal peenus


NOT A FETISH!!
 
2014-02-06 12:13:50 PM

Wooly Bully: sendtodave: NYC just seems to kinda suck when it comes to personal freedoms, doesn't it?

It really doesn't. You can point to a specific local law and say it's more restrictive than where you live, but you can't generalize from that.

As a lifelong New Yorker, I'm always amused by the non-New Yorkers who seem to think they understand the city better than we do, and invariably say it's worse than it really is.


They tried to ban soda.
 
2014-02-06 12:14:31 PM

dr_blasto: Jim_Callahan: Current law is weirdly backward.

It isn't backward if you remember where the bans on open carry came from.
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The dude in the front looks like The Fresh Prince.
 
2014-02-06 12:15:44 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: cousin-merle: What's the crime rate like on the moon?

0.


Incorrect, every person who has visited is an unrepentant litterer.
 
2014-02-06 12:16:24 PM

dr_blasto: Jim_Callahan: Current law is weirdly backward.

It isn't backward if you remember where the bans on open carry came from.
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OMIGOD look at those THUGS!
 
2014-02-06 12:16:29 PM

DarnoKonrad: Dinki: I'm purty darn Liberal. If you have a legally owned gun, that is registered and you have had proper training, then you should be able to open carry. Out in the country, in your own yard, in your car, at the range, when you are hunting, or at a gun show or other gun related event. If you carry it into a mall, a farmers market, or down main street, where the sole effect is to shock and frighten people, then you get arrested for disturbing the peace. The 2nd amendment doesn't give you the right to be an attention  whore asshat.

I think it should be mandatory for any personal carry.  At the very least it's a good short hand for who to avoid.  Conceal carry, that shiat should be illegal.


I'm a libtard too... and I believe open carry is the only thing that makes sense, and may even be a real crime deterrent.  It is the guys who insist on the "element of surprise" angle to concealed carry that creep me out.  If you only cared about preventing crime, open carry that shiat.
 
2014-02-06 12:20:51 PM

Nadie_AZ: dittybopper: Nadie_AZ: So you could say her gun views are liberal, right?

Heh.

You don't have to be a conservative to support an individual right to keep and bear arms.  In fact, there isn't really anything about that right that goes against any fundamental, classically liberal ideas.

I agree. I'm 'a liberal' and own a few guns. And when I can, I'd like a few more. It doesn't seem right that I live in Arizona and don't own a 30 30. It just doesn't.


Same here.  I'm a pretty staunch liberal but I have a Sig p226 and a Mossberg.
 
2014-02-06 12:22:53 PM
I'm as liberal as can be and don't mind open carry, lets you know what pathetic cowardly limpdicks not to associate with.
 
2014-02-06 12:23:07 PM

sendtodave: Wooly Bully: sendtodave: NYC just seems to kinda suck when it comes to personal freedoms, doesn't it?

It really doesn't. You can point to a specific local law and say it's more restrictive than where you live, but you can't generalize from that.

As a lifelong New Yorker, I'm always amused by the non-New Yorkers who seem to think they understand the city better than we do, and invariably say it's worse than it really is.

They tried to ban soda.


False, and I'm pretty sure I've corrected you about this in the past.
 
2014-02-06 12:23:24 PM

dr_blasto: Jim_Callahan: Current law is weirdly backward.

It isn't backward if you remember where the bans on open carry came from.
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The Mulford Act signed into law by the liberal Gov. Ronald Reagan! (also supported by the NRA!) We can't let them uppity blah people be carrying guns.
 
2014-02-06 12:25:09 PM

factoryconnection: gothelder: (I would have a nuke if I could get away with it.)

As a person that has served on a SSBN, I can tell you: the paperwork alone for those bad boys would deter any sane person.


They also don't react very well to bulletsh.
 
2014-02-06 12:26:02 PM

Saiga410: demaL-demaL-yeH: am firmly of the school that walking around armed in public for no good reason should not be inflicted on the public. People who do so increase the risk to themselves and to the general public.

I can look at that and conceptially agree that the having firearms probably do increase the risks for everyone.... but we just went through a time where carry laws have changed.  We have data on before and after allowing carry.  There is no stastical bump, nothing.  I do not feel right basing law on your gut feeling.


In Arizona, the number of firearm homicides went up when constitutional carry was enacted. Guess what happened with suicides.
And, given that Arizona has roughly 40% higher firearm violence rates than the national average, it should come as no surprise that I walk around unarmed.
 
2014-02-06 12:27:17 PM

dr_blasto: Jim_Callahan: Current law is weirdly backward.

It isn't backward if you remember where the bans on open carry came from.
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Saint Ronald Wilson Reagan, who saw no need for people to walk around armed in public.
 
2014-02-06 12:27:46 PM

sendtodave: Wooly Bully: sendtodave: NYC just seems to kinda suck when it comes to personal freedoms, doesn't it?

It really doesn't. You can point to a specific local law and say it's more restrictive than where you live, but you can't generalize from that.

As a lifelong New Yorker, I'm always amused by the non-New Yorkers who seem to think they understand the city better than we do, and invariably say it's worse than it really is.

They tried to ban soda.


You know that's not true, and even if it was, it wouldn't justify your original generalization.
 
2014-02-06 12:28:22 PM

Rapmaster2000: dr_blasto: Jim_Callahan: Current law is weirdly backward.

It isn't backward if you remember where the bans on open carry came from.
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OMIGOD look at those THUGS!


Which makes this f*cking hilarious:
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2014-02-06 12:29:17 PM

Cletus C.: I doubt I'm the first to say this, but I hope she's just doing what she has to do to get elected in the Great State of Texas and she actually would love to disarm the masses.

True liberals are our only hope for ending this gun insanity.


Or she realizes that anti-gun hysteria is stupid, and people should be free to get an abortion, get gay married, and own a gun ,if not open carry it, if they so choose. I would actually like her less if she planned to be anti-gun once in office.

DamnYankees: sendtodave: Everyone wants to feel safe all the damned time.

Yes. People like feeling safe. Oh noes?


Feeling safe and being safe are often two different things. That's why we have the TSA at the airports. What they do is theater. It makes people feel safe, but it doesn't actually make us safer. Actual safety measures are often unseen, happing behind the curtain. But that's not good enough, people want to feel safe, so they tolerate the scanners, pat downs, and other needless "security."

Remember, people who don't vaccinate their children also do it to "feel safe."

demaL-demaL-yeH: I am firmly of the school that walking around armed in public for no good reason should not be inflicted on the public. People who do so increase the risk to themselves and to the general public.


Citation needed. People against gay marriage are so certain that it will be bad for society and children, but they have no evidence to back up what they "know" to be true. Same thing with your argument. It's based on personal feeling and hysteria, not actual facts or logic.
 
2014-02-06 12:30:14 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: dr_blasto: Jim_Callahan: Current law is weirdly backward.

It isn't backward if you remember where the bans on open carry came from.
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Saint Ronald Wilson Reagan, who saw no need for people to walk around armed in public.


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2014-02-06 12:30:40 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Like I have said, in rural areas, they can give guns away as party favors for all I care. Gun control is probably a good idea for large, densely packed cities like NY, but only if law enforcement is tight to being with, like NY.


Why?
 
2014-02-06 12:30:49 PM

dr_blasto: Rapmaster2000: dr_blasto: Jim_Callahan: Current law is weirdly backward.

It isn't backward if you remember where the bans on open carry came from.
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[mije.org image 536x409]

OMIGOD look at those THUGS!

Which makes this f*cking hilarious:
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The guy who pressured the final two Republicans needed to pass the AWB?
The guy who urged passage of the Brady Bill, and especially the waiting period?
That guy?
 
2014-02-06 12:32:51 PM

soporific: People against gay marriage are so certain that it will be bad for society and children, but they have no evidence to back up what they "know" to be true. Same thing with your argument. It's based on personal feeling and hysteria, not actual facts or logic.


While I don't necessarily agree that there is a plethora of evidence on the effect of open carry on crime, this is a poor strawman analogy.   The "harms" of gay marriage on society and children are 100% speculative, the harms of a piece of metal being shot at high speed from a deadly weapon designed to kill human beings are fairly definitive.
 
2014-02-06 12:33:37 PM

DamnYankees: PC LOAD LETTER: Like I have said, in rural areas, they can give guns away as party favors for all I care. Gun control is probably a good idea for large, densely packed cities like NY, but only if law enforcement is tight to being with, like NY.

This is basically my stance - I'm in favor of making gun control a local issue, like any other policy. It makes sense in some areas, not others. This is why I believe the 2nd amendment is a bad idea.

But that makes me a gun grabber, I guess, since I'm in favor of local control.


Fantastic, so gun owners need to be aware of the legal status of their firearm while driving through dozens of townships on their way to the range
 
2014-02-06 12:33:49 PM

Doom MD: PC LOAD LETTER: Like I have said, in rural areas, they can give guns away as party favors for all I care. Gun control is probably a good idea for large, densely packed cities like NY, but only if law enforcement is tight to being with, like NY.

Why?


Because the ability to safely fire your weapon is significantly less in a city where most people share walls (if not ceilings or floors) with neighbors.
 
2014-02-06 12:34:17 PM

soporific: Citation needed. People against gay marriage are so certain that it will be bad for society and children, but they have no evidence to back up what they "know" to be true. Same thing with your argument. It's based on personal feeling and hysteria, not actual facts or logic.


Even with that, his biggest issue that he cannot explain is who gets to decide if a reason is good enough or if a specific threat is either specific or threatening enough.

Seriously, if he cannot even answer these questions - his entire proposal is bunk.
 
2014-02-06 12:34:53 PM

soporific: Citation needed. People against gay marriage are so certain that it will be bad for society and children, but they have no evidence to back up what they "know" to be true. Same thing with your argument. It's based on personal feeling and hysteria, not actual facts or logic.


How many people get killed by unintentional gay marriage discharges every year?  Actually, I really don't want to know.
 
2014-02-06 12:35:09 PM

DamnYankees: sendtodave: Wanting to arrest people you disagree with, because they scare you?  Yep, you are pretty darn liberal.

Scaring people can and should be a crime, you don't think so? I agree there are limits, but as a general rule, causing someone to be terrified seems like a pretty offensive thing to do.


Your talk is scaring me, you should be arrested
 
2014-02-06 12:37:55 PM

TV's Vinnie: Whites with guns: God-fearing Merkins showing their Patriotic Pride


Blacks with guns: OMG DIRTY GANGBANGERS


the guy at the bottom is an NRA spokesperson. Colin Noir is awesome.
 
2014-02-06 12:38:11 PM

Wooly Bully: As a lifelong New Yorker, I'm always amused by the non-New Yorkers who seem to think they understand the city better than we do, and invariably say it's worse than it really is.


Just got back from NYC.  It was a lovely trip where I met the most wonderful NYers.  Never felt my freedom was limited.  I did not understand why there was a West 3rd St, West 4th St and then a couple of blocks later East 9th, but somehow we managed to find our restaurant with the help of a nice taxi driver.

Does anyone need a metro card?  I brought mine home for no good reason.
 
2014-02-06 12:39:00 PM
Dear subtard, a Texas Democrat is not Left Wing... a Texas Democrat has roughly the same political ideology as a TEA Party Member in the Northeast.
 
2014-02-06 12:40:05 PM

SomeoneDumb: One of the lesser mentioned benefits of open carry is that it lets me identify quickly which people have decided that they're willing

itchingto take a human life.

FTFY.
 
2014-02-06 12:40:29 PM

soporific: Citation needed. People against gay marriage are so certain that it will be bad for society and children, but they have no evidence to back up what they "know" to be true. Same thing with your argument. It's based on personal feeling and hysteria, not actual facts or logic.


How many of these would happen without firearms?
Or these?
Or these?
Or these?

Really? What will you want next, evidence that water is wet?
 
2014-02-06 12:42:49 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Doom MD: gilgigamesh: Put this libbie lib socialist down for a hearty "meh" as well.

I'm for some restrictions on guns, mainly that I think they should be treated like cars.

But open carry? Seems like a pretty basic right to me.

Treating guns like cars would actually really remove a lot of restrictions on guns

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OK.


Slippery slope there. Well, kinda..

Though I agree with this stance, open carry, I'm curious how people would feel if home, health, and life insurance were factored in. Possibly pay more, if insurance charged because of that? AFAIK, it would be legal. It's at their discretion for terms. You can't argue 2nd amendment on it, since you're opting in. Yes, I realize it's a state* requirement for cars, and now health*, but owning a gun isn't required.

Statistically, accident and death by firearm goes up if there is one or more in the home. Stands to reason, given that side by side between cars and guns, that insurance is the next step. Given how most of you feel about Open Carry, and CCL, how would all of you feel if you had to pay more, or got less on the home, health, and life insurance side of things, if it indeed went that way?

Just food for thought.. Election is going to be interesting this year....
 
2014-02-06 12:43:18 PM

soporific: Now I REALLY look forward to voting for her.

I'm a pretty solid Democrat voter these days, but I do agree with the Republicans on guns. (Even if I want to smack some of them with a rolled up newspaper for how they make their arguments.) So to have a Democrat be pro-gun just seals the deal for me


See, my beef with that statement is that it's largely a myth, mostly perpetuated by Republicans to get a few fence-sitters who would vote for Democrats, but cling to their guns a little too tightly.  In fact, I would say that the track record for the last decade is that Democrats have been largely better on gun rights than Republicans.  At the very least, Democrats are open about wanting to curb crime, but are also more open to the fact that the 2nd amendment exists.  They wouldn't do something stupid like kill a bill that would ease firearms restrictions on public lands solely because a Democrat introduced it, then say wit was because of a minor increase in a duck stamp fee (See Sportsmen's Act of 2012, S.3525 of 112th Congress, introduced by Jon Tester, D-MT).  Democrats are more flexible to using other means to curb such violence, even if they aren't nearly as effective as an unconstitutional gun grab.  Meanwhile, Republicans are hurting their own cause by being totally inflexible about gun legislation, by seeing any gun legislation as being an "assault on law-abiding gun owners"...yet hypocritically killing gun rights measures just because they were proposed by Democrats.
 
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