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(Politico)   Left-wing idol-of-the-month Wendy Davis supports Texas open-carry gun law, becomes right-wing idol-of-the-month   (politico.com ) divider line
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2014-02-06 11:02:54 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: What was it prior to the passage of the mandatory ownership law? Higher? Lower? The same?

Our survey says!


I love that your argument comprises of one data point from a town with fewer people than the college I went to.  I mean, it's amazing how they went from a couple burlgaries a year to just one drunk guy pulling the heads off parking meters.  Guns must solve everything.
 
2014-02-06 11:03:00 AM  

gravy chugging cretin.: WShat Texas open carriers might look like.

[www.opencarrytexas.org image 850x566]


sweet jesus, joseph and mary, WTF is that on the left?
 
2014-02-06 11:03:38 AM  

DamnYankees: sendtodave: Wanting to arrest people you disagree with, because they scare you?  Yep, you are pretty darn liberal.

Scaring people can and should be a crime, you don't think so? I agree there are limits, but as a general rule, causing someone to be terrified seems like a pretty offensive thing to do.


This mentality is why we can't have fun Halloweens any more, or splintery wooden playgrounds with the burning metal slides :'(

Everyone wants to feel safe all the damned time.
 
2014-02-06 11:05:05 AM  

sendtodave: Everyone wants to feel safe all the damned time.


Yes. People like feeling safe. Oh noes?
 
2014-02-06 11:05:06 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Dancin_In_Anson: shamanwest: About average for the affluency level regardless of gun laws?

What was it prior to the passage of the mandatory ownership law? Higher? Lower? The same?

Our survey says!

shamanwest: What do I win?

*sigh*
And what is happening to the overall crime rate everywhere in the United States, Mister Correlation_is_causality?


Heh - yeah, in a few years, a whole lot of "highly effective" crime solutions are going to fail suddenly. Right now, success can be claimed for any anti-crime measure taken - because crime keeps going down.
Sadly, in  a few years, the Boomers are going to die, and crime will start upwards again, as society trends younger again. Then all these things that "worked" are going to fail.
 
2014-02-06 11:06:19 AM  

DamnYankees: PC LOAD LETTER: Like I have said, in rural areas, they can give guns away as party favors for all I care. Gun control is probably a good idea for large, densely packed cities like NY, but only if law enforcement is tight to being with, like NY.

This is basically my stance - I'm in favor of making gun control a local issue, like any other policy. It makes sense in some areas, not others. This is why I believe the 2nd amendment is a bad idea.

But that makes me a gun grabber, I guess, since I'm in favor of local control.


Pretty much my opinion too.  I always carry when I am out on my friend's land in the middle of nowhere. I'm paranoid about snakes, I never carry when I go into the city.
 
2014-02-06 11:07:42 AM  

cousin-merle: I love that your argument comprises of one data point from a town with fewer people than the college I went to.


So the drop no matter how dramatic doesn't matter because it was in a small town.

I see. At what population would you say that you could make a conclusion? Your university? The city it was located in? Toldeo? Seattle? Dallas? Chicago? NYC?
 
2014-02-06 11:07:44 AM  

sendtodave: DamnYankees: sendtodave: Wanting to arrest people you disagree with, because they scare you?  Yep, you are pretty darn liberal.

Scaring people can and should be a crime, you don't think so? I agree there are limits, but as a general rule, causing someone to be terrified seems like a pretty offensive thing to do.

This mentality is why we can't have fun Halloweens any more, or splintery wooden playgrounds with the burning metal slides :'(

Everyone wants to feel safe all the damned time.


I'm fairly strong in favor of Second Amendment rights, and while I think, strictly speaking, the act of carrying a rifle into the grocery store is not in and of itself a crime, the kind of person who feels the need to carry a rifle into the grocery store is probably not the most balanced human being in the world, because doing that makes a lot of folks unnecessarily unnerved, so yes, it is probably appropriate to ask the person to leave, and the police called if necessary.
 
2014-02-06 11:09:34 AM  

Nabb1: I'm fairly strong in favor of Second Amendment rights, and while I think, strictly speaking, the act of carrying a rifle into the grocery store is not in and of itself a crime, the kind of person who feels the need to carry a rifle into the grocery store is probably not the most balanced human being in the world, because doing that makes a lot of folks unnecessarily unnerved, so yes, it is probably appropriate to ask the person to leave, and the police called if necessary.


In a lot of ways its very analogous to freedom of speech. Do you have the right to speak your political opinions? Sure. Do you have the right to go into a supermarket and start screaming at the top of your lungs about how Obama is going to destroy America? Well, no. You're bothering and scaring people, and you will be escorted out of the building. What's the difference?
 
2014-02-06 11:11:34 AM  
list of state constitutional provisions regarding the keeping and bearing of firearms.

Since the article is about Texas, here's theirs:

Texas: Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime. Art. I, § 23 (enacted 1876).
1836: "Every citizen shall have the right to bear arms in defence of himself and the republic. The military shall at all times and in all cases be subordinate to the civil power." Declaration of Rights, cl. 14.
1845: "Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in lawful defence of himself or the State." Art. I, § 13.
1868: "Every person shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defence of himself or the State, under such regulations as the legislature may prescribe." Art. I, § 13.
 
2014-02-06 11:12:24 AM  

DamnYankees: Nabb1: I'm fairly strong in favor of Second Amendment rights, and while I think, strictly speaking, the act of carrying a rifle into the grocery store is not in and of itself a crime, the kind of person who feels the need to carry a rifle into the grocery store is probably not the most balanced human being in the world, because doing that makes a lot of folks unnecessarily unnerved, so yes, it is probably appropriate to ask the person to leave, and the police called if necessary.

In a lot of ways its very analogous to freedom of speech. Do you have the right to speak your political opinions? Sure. Do you have the right to go into a supermarket and start screaming at the top of your lungs about how Obama is going to destroy America? Well, no. You're bothering and scaring people, and you will be escorted out of the building. What's the difference?


I think it just goes back to the Golden Rule: Don't be an asshole. You can be right and yet still be an asshole, but don't be an asshole if you don't need to.
 
2014-02-06 11:12:30 AM  

give me doughnuts: Texas: Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime. Art. I, § 23 (enacted 1876).


So Texas has a much more limited right to arms than even the 2nd Amendment. Interesting.
 
2014-02-06 11:13:01 AM  
Whites with guns: God-fearing Merkins showing their Patriotic Pride
www.theblaze.com

Blacks with guns: OMG DIRTY GANGBANGERS
breakingbrown.com
 
2014-02-06 11:13:11 AM  
I doubt I'm the first to say this, but I hope she's just doing what she has to do to get elected in the Great State of Texas and she actually would love to disarm the masses.

True liberals are our only hope for ending this gun insanity.
 
2014-02-06 11:14:08 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: cousin-merle: I love that your argument comprises of one data point from a town with fewer people than the college I went to.

So the drop no matter how dramatic doesn't matter because it was in a small town.

I see. At what population would you say that you could make a conclusion? Your university? The city it was located in? Toldeo? Seattle? Dallas? Chicago? NYC?


Until you have a measure of the underlying variability, your numbers cannot be meaningfully interpreted.
/Helpful hint: Measures of a rare event in a small population will likely have a lot of variability.
 
2014-02-06 11:14:21 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: cman: I was making a dumb joke.

But of course. Carry on then.

Bareefer Obonghit:


I can see that! We are all so proud of you too!

jso2897: Looking for a place where you won't be pissing your panties in terror 24/7? There is no such place for a coward.

I assume that you never lock your doors on your house or vehicle. You also have a sign in your front yard proclaiming that fact and that you are brave enough to say that you are not afraid of anything. Because anything short of that would be pure unadulterated cowardice.

cousin-merle: What's the crime rate like on the moon?

0.


Bullshiat. How quickly we forget about the unauthorized moon rocks being sold as souvenirs!
 
2014-02-06 11:15:58 AM  
Yes, but the SECRET plan is for an expectant mother to shoot her fetus.  Never trust a lefty.  That's why as a True Patriot, I oppose handguns to protect babies.
 
2014-02-06 11:16:08 AM  

DamnYankees: Nabb1: I'm fairly strong in favor of Second Amendment rights, and while I think, strictly speaking, the act of carrying a rifle into the grocery store is not in and of itself a crime, the kind of person who feels the need to carry a rifle into the grocery store is probably not the most balanced human being in the world, because doing that makes a lot of folks unnecessarily unnerved, so yes, it is probably appropriate to ask the person to leave, and the police called if necessary.

In a lot of ways its very analogous to freedom of speech. Do you have the right to speak your political opinions? Sure. Do you have the right to go into a supermarket and start screaming at the top of your lungs about how Obama is going to destroy America? Well, no. You're bothering and scaring people, and you will be escorted out of the building. What's the difference?


There is also the more ephemeral matter of place, time, and ambience. In the little East Texas town my dad hails from, during deer season, walking into Odom's Greengrocers with your .30-06 over your shoulder wouldn't raise an eyebrow.
On the other hand, that big old Von's down on Imperial right on the dividing line between the Sholine Crips and the Rolling 60s might not want be a store you'd want to walk into with a visible firearm.
 
2014-02-06 11:17:15 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: cousin-merle: I love that your argument comprises of one data point from a town with fewer people than the college I went to.

So the drop no matter how dramatic doesn't matter because it was in a small town.

I see. At what population would you say that you could make a conclusion? Your university? The city it was located in? Toldeo? Seattle? Dallas? Chicago? NYC?


Do small towns have huge crime rates?
 
2014-02-06 11:17:33 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Saiga410: demaL-demaL-yeH: Cars are for transportation.
Firearms are for killin'.

/And you can fold your predictable sophistry until it's all sharp corners and push it up in there past your neck

Tell that to the guy that started with conflating firearm regulations and transportation regulations.  I was just taking the analogy a little farther.

Hmm.  You're right. They should have different treatment.


Yep we need rules on the proper use of them.  Though I guess you would disagree with my assertion that transportation of a firearm is not actual use,
 
2014-02-06 11:18:32 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Yes, but the SECRET plan is for an expectant mother to shoot her fetus.  Never trust a lefty.  That's why as a True Patriot, I oppose handguns to protect babies.


That's why you should support open carry for the fetus.
 
2014-02-06 11:19:36 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: So the drop no matter how dramatic doesn't matter because it was in a small town.


That's not what I said.  I said that I liked that it was your only data point.  You are just cherry-picking by looking at one year in one small town.  You linked an article that said the crime rate went from 7 burglaries per 100,000 before the law to 2.7 after.  Then what?  It's almost 20 times higher now than when they passed the law and higher than neighboring Acworth, which does not require gun ownership.  You are being intellectually dishonest, as usual.
 
2014-02-06 11:23:51 AM  
Left Wing Pol adopts Right Wing stance to appeal to the electorate: Media Darling

Right Wing Pol adopts Left Wing stance to appeal to the electorate: OMG RINO!

Keep pushing to the right. Right off a cliff...
 
2014-02-06 11:24:18 AM  

dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: Doom MD: gilgigamesh: Put this libbie lib socialist down for a hearty "meh" as well.

I'm for some restrictions on guns, mainly that I think they should be treated like cars.

But open carry? Seems like a pretty basic right to me.

Treating guns like cars would actually really remove a lot of restrictions on guns

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OK.

And I could own a gun without needing a license if I only used it on private property, and if I chose to carry in public, my license to carry would be honored by all 50 states and every single town and city.  I wouldn't face arrest in New York City (and state), New Jersey, or Chicago because I was carrying on a concealed carry license issued in my home state.


Well, New York could presumably choose to no longer license drivers if it wanted. But other than that, the rest sounds fine with me.

Personally, I would like to be able to open carry in my city. It is de jure legal to do so, but not de facto.

By that I mean I am permitted by state and local law to open carry, but I am a black guy, so if I did I would never be able to get from point A to point B without getting thrown on the ground and handcuffed by every cop I encountered.

Cops around here don't particularly like anyone to have guns but them, and they don't hesitate to make sure you know that.
 
2014-02-06 11:24:45 AM  
Despite being fairly liberal I don't mind open carry as long as it's legally owned, registered, and the person carrying it isn't a certified nutjob or criminal.

Not even about polite society or anything like that, infact I'd almost like to see someone being all "not only do I target shoot like a boss this color and style of holster and gun looks absolutely amazing with this outfit." It would be humorous and interesting.

More seriously disturbing the peace is such a generalized thing that you don't even need a gun or to try hard to get someone calling for that. Seen customers in a restaurant disturb the peace more than someone walking with a holstered gun.
 
2014-02-06 11:26:15 AM  

DamnYankees: Nabb1: I'm fairly strong in favor of Second Amendment rights, and while I think, strictly speaking, the act of carrying a rifle into the grocery store is not in and of itself a crime, the kind of person who feels the need to carry a rifle into the grocery store is probably not the most balanced human being in the world, because doing that makes a lot of folks unnecessarily unnerved, so yes, it is probably appropriate to ask the person to leave, and the police called if necessary.

In a lot of ways its very analogous to freedom of speech. Do you have the right to speak your political opinions? Sure. Do you have the right to go into a supermarket and start screaming at the top of your lungs about how Obama is going to destroy America? Well, no. You're bothering and scaring people, and you will be escorted out of the building. What's the difference?


It is the whole "my ;rights end at the tip of my nose" concept. Also, any property owner should be allowed to determine whether they will allow firearms in the place of business. If the attention whores want to walk into the mall with their ARs, and that mall has a no weapons policy, then they're trespassing. Simple as that, no longer responsible gun owners and now at the very least, committing a misdemeanor.

If a community thinks that walking down the street with your AR slung as you AW your way across town is brandishing, then it is brandishing. Again, local community rules are appropriate. These can all work within the Second Amendment, though. I'm not certain a community has as much of an interest in what you own but they could certainly decide how that item can be used and transported. They can also determine what is and what is not safe storage of items.

DamnYankees: give me doughnuts: Texas: Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime. Art. I, § 23 (enacted 1876).

So Texas has a much more limited right to arms than even the 2nd Amendment. Interesting.


Texas also has shorter license periods and higher fees for CCW than a lot of other places. There are some tough laws regarding printing (as in a weapon showing an outline through clothing).
 
2014-02-06 11:28:18 AM  

cman: It's Texas. If people had their way there it would he required for one to carry a gun in public.


Yeah, basically this.  People in the country hunt, people in the cities hit the range regularly.  Gun sports are probably the one hobby that beats out Football here, if only because most of us actually participate rather than watching them on the TV.

Long story short, no one's rabbit-hearted enough about 'em for it to be possible to incite an irrational panic about guns, since most people own a couple themselves or at least hang out with someone that does.  So they're not a viable political scare-mongering tool here and thus not an element of the Democratic platform.

// You get a lot of pro-immigration Republicans here, too, since we have an agricultural sector that depends on short-term labor.  State politics aren't necessarily national politics.
 
2014-02-06 11:29:14 AM  

Saiga410: demaL-demaL-yeH: Saiga410: demaL-demaL-yeH: Cars are for transportation.
Firearms are for killin'.

/And you can fold your predictable sophistry until it's all sharp corners and push it up in there past your neck

Tell that to the guy that started with conflating firearm regulations and transportation regulations.  I was just taking the analogy a little farther.

Hmm.  You're right. They should have different treatment.

Yep we need rules on the proper use of them.  Though I guess you would disagree with my assertion that transportation of a firearm is not actual use,


I wonder when one of the drooling morons who calls me a gun-grabber is going to catch the modal.

I am firmly of the school that walking around armed in public for no good reason should not be inflicted on the public. People who do so increase the risk to themselves and to the general public.
Examples of good reasons to walk around armed in public:
1) My job requires it.
2) I am in a combat zone.
3) It is hunting season.
4) I have received a specific threat to my person/family.
5) I am known to carry large sums of cash/diamonds/bearer bonds.

Examples of bad "reasons" to walk around armed in public:
1) I am afraid of non melanin-disdvantaged people.
2) I feel like it.
3) I am paranoid and the world is a scary place.
4) It's muh gol-durned right.

If you're walking around armed in public due to a non-specific threat, you had damned well better be carrying a first aid kit and a fire extinguisher. You will actually need those. You're also overdue for corrective training in threat assessment, and, failing that, a mental health exam.
 
2014-02-06 11:31:19 AM  
When I get home, I'm going to ask my FIL how he feels about open carry. I wouldn't call him a gun nut, but he is a gun collector. Some of you collectors would blush at the stuff he has (and even as a non-gun guy, some of his rifles are just beautiful). But he is also a retired cop, so it would be cool to ask him about it.

I'm a libby lib that is just conflicted about guns. About a year ago, my buddy and I did the trap shooting thing at a local range and it was insanely fun. I also have a .22 rifle sitting in a gun safe that my grandpa gave my dad that I will be good goddamned to ever give up. I have like 2 things from my grandpa and I'll go Heston on that one (speaking of such things, I need to hit my uncles up for my other grandpa's hunting rifles. I would like to have 1 or 2).
 
2014-02-06 11:34:00 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: cousin-merle: I love that your argument comprises of one data point from a town with fewer people than the college I went to.

So the drop no matter how dramatic doesn't matter because it was in a small town.

I see. At what population would you say that you could make a conclusion? Your university? The city it was located in? Toldeo? Seattle? Dallas? Chicago? NYC?


Wait.  Is this that dumb Kennesaw thing again?  Kennesaw went from a redneck shiathole to an upper-middle class suburb.  It's crime rate dropped because its white trash population moved farther out to Douglasville (which has a crime rate of twice the national average).

It's always demographics, but gun nerds love to think their toys are the end all be all of safety.    I live in the most hippie libulardo zip code in GA and our crime rate is half of GA's crime rate because 25% of us have a Master's degree.  If you want to avoid crime, don't be poor.

Personally, I want mandatory gun ownership for all Americans so when nothing changes the gun nerds will shut up about it.  Wait, who am I kidding? They'll just mandate more guns for every citizen.

We'll all be wearing pants made of guns and then when nothing changes they'll demand we all wear shirts made of guns.
 
2014-02-06 11:34:58 AM  
I want to open carry a crossbow. Who farks with a guy with a crossbow?
 
2014-02-06 11:35:15 AM  

Nabb1: sendtodave: DamnYankees: sendtodave: Wanting to arrest people you disagree with, because they scare you?  Yep, you are pretty darn liberal.

Scaring people can and should be a crime, you don't think so? I agree there are limits, but as a general rule, causing someone to be terrified seems like a pretty offensive thing to do.

This mentality is why we can't have fun Halloweens any more, or splintery wooden playgrounds with the burning metal slides :'(

Everyone wants to feel safe all the damned time.

I'm fairly strong in favor of Second Amendment rights, and while I think, strictly speaking, the act of carrying a rifle into the grocery store is not in and of itself a crime, the kind of person who feels the need to carry a rifle into the grocery store is probably not the most balanced human being in the world, because doing that makes a lot of folks unnecessarily unnerved, so yes, it is probably appropriate to ask the person to leave, and the police called if necessary.


Yeah, but that gets tricky.  Police arrive:

"Why are you carrying a rifle in the grocery store?"

Average mentally unhinged person:  "Brahahahaggh!  I do what I want!  I have rights!"

Average second amendment champion:  "Brahahahaggh!  I do what I want!  I have rights!"

See?  How to tell the difference?

If the police arrest the former, they're keeping the place safe, but if they arrest the latter, they're trampling someone rights with their jackboots.

Better to either allow or deny everyone.  And we can't deny everyone, because  rights.
 
2014-02-06 11:35:24 AM  

ladodger34: When I get home, I'm going to ask my FIL how he feels about open carry. I wouldn't call him a gun nut, but he is a gun collector. Some of you collectors would blush at the stuff he has (and even as a non-gun guy, some of his rifles are just beautiful). But he is also a retired cop, so it would be cool to ask him about it.


My old man carries concealed on a regular basis because he carries a lot of cash for his business.  He considers open carry people to be attention whores.
 
2014-02-06 11:36:59 AM  
Though I once admired her for her heroic stance against restricting abortion rights, now that I know there is this one issue I disagree with her on she is dead to me.
 
2014-02-06 11:38:28 AM  

Epic Fap Session: I want to open carry a crossbow. Who farks with a guy with a crossbow?


Well, Tywin Lannister.
 
2014-02-06 11:38:34 AM  

BunkoSquad: Here's another lib who's fine with open carry, on the theory that you maybe can't judge a book by its cover, but a candy bar wrapper that says "NUTS" on the outside is a pretty good clue what might be inside


So, if I gave you a Snickers, and you unwrapped the candy, you would except to get some Snickers instead of, let's say... A... Angry live King Cobra!

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2014-02-06 11:39:14 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Epic Fap Session: I want to open carry a crossbow. Who farks with a guy with a crossbow?

Well, Tywin Lannister.


*Ahem* Let us not spoil the children, please.
 
2014-02-06 11:39:36 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: dittybopper: jso2897: I'm dumb about this maybe - but is there a downside to what you just described? I'm not seeing it.

For one thing, it would pretty much wipe out all the local gun control laws that prohibit or highly restrict the carrying of concealed weapons.

I would *LOVE* for guns to be treated like cars, because it would result in a significant *LOOSENING* of the laws in my state.

But that's not what those proposals usually mean.  Generally, when people talk about treating guns like cars, what they really mean is that they want significantly stricter requirements on guns than we have on car ownership.   They want something like NYC, where getting permission to carry a gun for self-protection is nigh on impossible unless you are very rich and/or politically well connected.

Or have a specific threat hanging over you?


We've been over why that doesn't work
 
2014-02-06 11:39:51 AM  

Dinki: I'm purty darn Liberal. If you have a legally owned gun, that is registered and you have had proper training, then you should be able to open carry. Out in the country, in your own yard, in your car, at the range, when you are hunting, or at a gun show or other gun related event. If you carry it into a mall, a farmers market, or down main street, where the sole effect is to shock and frighten people, then you get arrested for disturbing the peace. The 2nd amendment doesn't give you the right to be an attention  whore asshat.



That's what the First Amendment is for.

/Only carry concealed.
 
2014-02-06 11:40:06 AM  
I prefer open carry to concealed carry. Makes it easier to spot the big swinging dicks.

And if somebody is starting to cause a ruckus, and I see they have some chromium confidence strapped to them, I know to get the fark out of there asap.
 
2014-02-06 11:40:07 AM  

Dinki: The 2nd amendment doesn't give you the right to be an attention whore asshat


No, but the 1st amendment does.
 
2014-02-06 11:40:22 AM  
So, basically, a politician in favor of freedom of choice in one area...abortion..is also in favor of freedom of choice in another area...open carry...

I am shocked and dismayed by her consistency.

Actually, I'm not.
 
2014-02-06 11:41:58 AM  

gravy chugging cretin.: WShat Texas open carriers might look like.

[www.opencarrytexas.org image 850x566]


Fred felt like an idiot because he thought everyone agreed to wear a mask. Now he's just silly.
 
2014-02-06 11:42:05 AM  

xanadian: Uh. She's Texan. Her open-carry stance surprises people??


She's Texan if she doesn't support open carry she will become a pariah. You'll find some big ol pro-gay marriage, give us canada health care and free uni socialist style liberals down there that are also VERY open Carey.
 
2014-02-06 11:42:35 AM  
Now I REALLY look forward to voting for her.

I'm a pretty solid Democrat voter these days, but I do agree with the Republicans on guns. (Even if I want to smack some of them with a rolled up newspaper for how they make their arguments.) So to have a Democrat be pro-gun just seals the deal for me
 
2014-02-06 11:44:59 AM  

Doom MD: demaL-demaL-yeH: dittybopper: jso2897: I'm dumb about this maybe - but is there a downside to what you just described? I'm not seeing it.

For one thing, it would pretty much wipe out all the local gun control laws that prohibit or highly restrict the carrying of concealed weapons.

I would *LOVE* for guns to be treated like cars, because it would result in a significant *LOOSENING* of the laws in my state.

But that's not what those proposals usually mean.  Generally, when people talk about treating guns like cars, what they really mean is that they want significantly stricter requirements on guns than we have on car ownership.   They want something like NYC, where getting permission to carry a gun for self-protection is nigh on impossible unless you are very rich and/or politically well connected.

Or have a specific threat hanging over you?

We've been over why that doesn't work


No, you just make excuses for doing something in almost the most stupid way possible, you know - the American way (c.f. health insurance, progressive taxation, business regulation, etc.).
/Are you angling for demotion from pharma sales rep to internet dentist?
 
2014-02-06 11:46:35 AM  

Epic Fap Session: I want to open carry a crossbow. Who farks with a guy with a crossbow?


Obviously a druid with the warp wood spell, duh.
 
2014-02-06 11:48:08 AM  
I'm playing Borderlands 2 right now it is awesome.  Is that what Texas is going to be like?
 
2014-02-06 11:48:33 AM  

dittybopper: But that's not what those proposals usually mean.  Generally, when people talk about treating guns like cars, what they really mean is that they want significantly stricter requirements on guns than we have on car ownership.   They want something like NYC, where getting permission to carry a gun for self-protection is nigh on impossible unless you are very rich and/or politically well connected.


NYC just seems to kinda suck when it comes to personal freedoms, doesn't it?

I guess you can argue "well, they have to be more restrictive because there are so many people there."

China also argues that.

/the future?
 
2014-02-06 11:49:09 AM  

Great_Milenko: I prefer open carry to concealed carry. Makes it easier to spot the big swinging dicks.

And if somebody is starting to cause a ruckus, and I see they have some chromium confidence strapped to them, I know to get the fark out of there asap.


You do realize that like 99% of the open carry movement is about just not worrying about it, right?  It's about people not panicking or there being any particular connotation to seeing a gun being carried around, beyond a general impression that now you know something about the person's hobbies.

Being strapped for the purposes of intimidating people is and always will be in the "still illegal" category.

// Open carry used to be legal basically everywhere, and you only got in trouble if you tried to conceal your piece.  The logic being that people have guns, deal with it, you pussy, but if they were trying to hide it they were likely up to no good.  Current law is weirdly backward.
 
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