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(Politico)   Left-wing idol-of-the-month Wendy Davis supports Texas open-carry gun law, becomes right-wing idol-of-the-month   (politico.com) divider line 542
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2014-02-06 10:35:06 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: If you're not a felon and you have the proper license and have paid the fees, you most certainly can own an automatic firearm.


Provided, of course, that it's legal in your state, which it isn't in my state.  Despite the fact that they are very highly regulated at the federal level, and the supply is essentially frozen, because no new machine guns may be added to the NFA registry.  Since 1986.

Which is why transferable M-16 which should be worth about $1,000 is now worth $15-16,000.  So only the very rich can afford them.
 
2014-02-06 10:36:14 AM  

Muta: As the liberalist libtard that ever libbed, I am more comfortable with open carry over concealed.  Open carry show you who the small-penissed paranoid morons are whereas concealed carry conceals the small penises.


This dude wants to look at tiny penises.
 
2014-02-06 10:37:06 AM  

dittybopper: jso2897: I'm dumb about this maybe - but is there a downside to what you just described? I'm not seeing it.

For one thing, it would pretty much wipe out all the local gun control laws that prohibit or highly restrict the carrying of concealed weapons.

I would *LOVE* for guns to be treated like cars, because it would result in a significant *LOOSENING* of the laws in my state.

But that's not what those proposals usually mean.  Generally, when people talk about treating guns like cars, what they really mean is that they want significantly stricter requirements on guns than we have on car ownership.   They want something like NYC, where getting permission to carry a gun for self-protection is nigh on impossible unless you are very rich and/or politically well connected.


Or have a specific threat hanging over you?
 
2014-02-06 10:37:09 AM  

ex-nuke: There are plenty of Democrats that are pro-gun but pro-gun Democrat Politicians are an endangered species. When you spot one in the wild you can be pretty sure it is just wearing camouflage. Their own party bosses consider them traitors.


You know you're in a thread about a Democratic politician who is pro-gun, right?
 
2014-02-06 10:37:43 AM  

jso2897: All, true - but on the other hand, this is the internets. A "no penises" policy on internet discussions is probably doomed to failure at it's inception. Ii can't instruct others, of course - but I see laughter as the best medicine in this case. When it stops getting angry reactions, it will be replaced by some new stupidity.


Which is why I take every opportunity to point out (without getting angry), that it's a Markley's Law violation.

Markley's Law is the penis size/gun version of Godwin's Law.

The more we point out (rationally) that it's a stupid meme, the better our side looks compared to those using the meme.
 
2014-02-06 10:38:40 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: demaL-demaL-yeH: Doom MD: gilgigamesh: Put this libbie lib socialist down for a hearty "meh" as well.

I'm for some restrictions on guns, mainly that I think they should be treated like cars.

But open carry? Seems like a pretty basic right to me.

Treating guns like cars would actually really remove a lot of restrictions on guns

[kennedystarbucks.files.wordpress.com image 500x675]
OK.

Can we do that with speech?


No, Mags, but we can license and tax commercial activity.
 
2014-02-06 10:38:42 AM  

joness0154: AntiGravitas: sdd2000: AntiGravitas: I've always preferred open-carry to concealed carry.  I want to know who NOT to fark with.

Isn't it easier not to fark with anybody?

joness0154: AntiGravitas: I've always preferred open-carry to concealed carry.  I want to know who NOT to fark with.

How about you just be a good person and not fark with anybody?

Ok, ok, but the point was less about the farking with people and being aware of who is loaded.  I would rather be aware than unaware.

If the person is a good, law abiding citizen, what would it matter?  I guarantee you are around many individuals who are lawfully carrying concealed firearms and haven't bothered you at all.


Oh, I'm fully aware.  I am one of them.  I have just never understood the need to have concealed carry versus open carry.  You should be able to carry or not.
 
2014-02-06 10:38:50 AM  

Dinki: I'm purty darn Liberal. If you have a legally owned gun, that is registered and you have had proper training, then you should be able to open carry. Out in the country, in your own yard, in your car, at the range, when you are hunting, or at a gun show or other gun related event. If you carry it into a mall, a farmers market, or down main street, where the sole effect is to shock and frighten people, then you get arrested for disturbing the peace. The 2nd amendment doesn't give you the right to be an attention  whore asshat.


Yep.  We had an incident where a guy walked into a local grocery store with a rifle strapped to his back (it wasn't hunting season and the store was in the middle of the city).  He claimed he just wanted to buy some ice cream, which, for some reason necessitated him bringing a rifle along (!)  Anyhoo, it became one of those OHMIGOD INFRINGING MAH RIGHTS things, just like he wanted it to become.  Sorry, fella, there's no constitutional right to be a complete putz.
 
2014-02-06 10:39:34 AM  

jso2897: Dancin_In_Anson: cman: If people had their way there it would he required for one to carry a gun in public.

What's the crime rate like in Kennesaw?

Looking for a place where you won't be pissing your panties in terror 24/7? There is no such place for a coward.


ryanesaki.com
 
2014-02-06 10:40:58 AM  

ex-nuke: TheBigJerk: HeartBurnKid: WTF Indeed: xanadian: Uh. She's Texan. Her open-carry stance surprises people??

It surprises people that demand purity on stances if you're going to be a liberal hero

For some reason, most of those people (at least most of the ones I hear from) are conservative.

/libby lib lib
//just fine with open carry

Concern trolls are just so VERY concerned.  Plenty of Democrats are pro-gun, only the NRA's partisan and racism-fueled psychoses say otherwise.

There are plenty of Democrats that are pro-gun but pro-gun Democrat Politicians are an endangered species. When you spot one in the wild you can be pretty sure it is just wearing camouflage. Their own party bosses consider them traitors.


Sure thing.  I'm convinced she's just a stealth GOP operative.  All that pro-choice nonsense is just a smokescreen, isn't it?
 
2014-02-06 10:42:11 AM  
I think the 2nd amendment is a bad idea, but it exists.
 
2014-02-06 10:42:15 AM  
As a libby, lib gun owner I don't see the need for it other than identifying yourself as someone who lives in constant fear. But if your legal and licensed then feel free to brandish your paranoia on your hip.

I live in the lowest crime neighborhood in one of the lowest crime big cities in the US. However, I have a tea party uncle who brings a handgun with him whenever he visits. He is seriously scared of being mugged or becoming a victim of the "knockout game" which has never happened here, and that sidearm is going to protect him against the roving gangs of black youths that only exist in his mind.
 
2014-02-06 10:43:09 AM  

Dinki: I'm purty darn Liberal. If you have a legally owned gun, that is registered and you have had proper training, then you should be able to open carry. Out in the country, in your own yard, in your car, at the range, when you are hunting, or at a gun show or other gun related event. If you carry it into a mall, a farmers market, or down main street, where the sole effect is to shock and frighten people, then you get arrested for disturbing the peace. The 2nd amendment doesn't give you the right to be an attention  whore asshat.


Feel the same way, except for the arrested part.

No need to feed they 2nd Amendment paranoia.
 
2014-02-06 10:43:51 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Dinki: I'm purty darn Liberal. If you have a legally owned gun, that is registered and you have had proper training, then you should be able to open carry. Out in the country, in your own yard, in your car, at the range, when you are hunting, or at a gun show or other gun related event. If you carry it into a mall, a farmers market, or down main street, where the sole effect is to shock and frighten people, then you get arrested for disturbing the peace. The 2nd amendment doesn't give you the right to be an attention  whore asshat.

Yep.  We had an incident where a guy walked into a local grocery store with a rifle strapped to his back (it wasn't hunting season and the store was in the middle of the city).  He claimed he just wanted to buy some ice cream, which, for some reason necessitated him bringing a rifle along (!)  Anyhoo, it became one of those OHMIGOD INFRINGING MAH RIGHTS things, just like he wanted it to become.  Sorry, fella, there's no constitutional right to be a complete putz.


As long as private venues have the right to say "no firearms on premises" I don't see a problem with someone comically overestimating their ice-cream-buying security needs.

/another lib who doesn't care much about open-carry checking in
 
2014-02-06 10:44:10 AM  
I'm definitely a liberal socialist hippie according to my friends, but I'm as conservative as it gets when it comes to ownership of firearms.

/don't own any because I don't want to regret using one in anger
 
2014-02-06 10:44:34 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: Doom MD: gilgigamesh: Put this libbie lib socialist down for a hearty "meh" as well.

I'm for some restrictions on guns, mainly that I think they should be treated like cars.

But open carry? Seems like a pretty basic right to me.

Treating guns like cars would actually really remove a lot of restrictions on guns

[kennedystarbucks.files.wordpress.com image 500x675]
OK.

And I could own a gun without needing a license if I only used it on private property, and if I chose to carry in public, my license to carry would be honored by all 50 states and every single town and city.  I wouldn't face arrest in New York City (and state), New Jersey, or Chicago because I was carrying on a concealed carry license issued in my home state.

Title and tag at each point of transfer, and we can shake on it.


That would be a much looser law but even as a gun rights guy I don't think this should replace background checks. And of course there's other things like the fact you can sell a car across state lines without going through a dealer and can build any kind of car you want from parts.
 
2014-02-06 10:44:50 AM  

MithrandirBooga: jso2897: Dancin_In_Anson: cman: If people had their way there it would he required for one to carry a gun in public.

What's the crime rate like in Kennesaw?

Looking for a place where you won't be pissing your panties in terror 24/7? There is no such place for a coward.

[ryanesaki.com image 624x317]

 
2014-02-06 10:45:10 AM  

mutterfark: There are seven shades of grey just on the Fark favorite bar. Even Fark trolls are afforded more nuance than the gun debate in America.

/and that's all I have to say about that


Ok Forest.
 
2014-02-06 10:45:16 AM  

ex-nuke: There are plenty of Democrats that are pro-gun but pro-gun Democrat Politicians are an endangered species. When you spot one in the wild you can be pretty sure it is just wearing camouflage. Their own party bosses consider them traitors.


I mean, it's not like a pro-gun Democrat could ever be the Senate Majority Leader, right?
 
2014-02-06 10:46:04 AM  

dittybopper: For one thing, it would pretty much wipe out all the local gun control laws that prohibit or highly restrict the carrying of concealed weapons.

I would *LOVE* for guns to be treated like cars, because it would result in a significant *LOOSENING* of the laws in my state.

But that's not what those proposals usually mean.  Generally, when people talk about treating guns like cars, what they really mean is that they want significantly stricter requirements on guns than we have on car ownership.   They want something like NYC, where getting permission to carry a gun for self-protection is nigh on impossible unless you are very rich and/or politically well connected.


Who are "they"?  I think those people are in your head.  People like me mostly just want you to register the thing and maybe take some training or a vision test or something, but even simple things like that send you guys into an irrational frenzy.
 
2014-02-06 10:48:10 AM  

dittybopper: jso2897: All, true - but on the other hand, this is the internets. A "no penises" policy on internet discussions is probably doomed to failure at it's inception. Ii can't instruct others, of course - but I see laughter as the best medicine in this case. When it stops getting angry reactions, it will be replaced by some new stupidity.

Which is why I take every opportunity to point out (without getting angry), that it's a Markley's Law violation.

Markley's Law is the penis size/gun version of Godwin's Law.

The more we point out (rationally) that it's a stupid meme, the better our side looks compared to those using the meme.


Look, bro, get over it.
Back when I was just an undergrad lad, my girlfriend took me to "educational" films (PNSFW), and I was disappointed to find out that mine is just an average endowment. I can live with that.
Suck it up and drive on.
 
2014-02-06 10:48:39 AM  

bluenovaman: I'm definitely a liberal socialist hippie according to my friends, but I'm as conservative as it gets when it comes to ownership of firearms.

/don't own any because I don't want to regret using one in anger


I'm an actual socialist and I keep a small arsenal in my safe.
 
2014-02-06 10:48:59 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: demaL-demaL-yeH: Doom MD: gilgigamesh: Put this libbie lib socialist down for a hearty "meh" as well.

I'm for some restrictions on guns, mainly that I think they should be treated like cars.

But open carry? Seems like a pretty basic right to me.

Treating guns like cars would actually really remove a lot of restrictions on guns

[kennedystarbucks.files.wordpress.com image 500x675]
OK.

Can we do that with speech?

No, Mags, but we can license and tax commercial activity.


So your saying I can do that to speech but only when it is to make money like writing a book or hosting a radio show : )
 
2014-02-06 10:49:46 AM  
Ok, that's fine. She's running in Texas, that's understandable.

See how this works? Big tent.
 
2014-02-06 10:50:34 AM  

dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: If you're not a felon and you have the proper license and have paid the fees, you most certainly can own an automatic firearm.

Provided, of course, that it's legal in your state, which it isn't in my state.  Despite the fact that they are very highly regulated at the federal level, and the supply is essentially frozen, because no new machine guns may be added to the NFA registry.  Since 1986.

Which is why transferable M-16 which should be worth about $1,000 is now worth $15-16,000.  So only the very rich can afford them.


That and I can go to my dads or a few buddy's garages with a few hundred feet of moly tubing and create my own racecar (my garage is too small).  Or turn an 80's Monty into a bomber.  Try that with firearms without getting in trouble.
 
2014-02-06 10:51:32 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: demaL-demaL-yeH: Doom MD: gilgigamesh: Put this libbie lib socialist down for a hearty "meh" as well.

I'm for some restrictions on guns, mainly that I think they should be treated like cars.

But open carry? Seems like a pretty basic right to me.

Treating guns like cars would actually really remove a lot of restrictions on guns

[kennedystarbucks.files.wordpress.com image 500x675]
OK.

Can we do that with speech?

No, Mags, but we can license and tax commercial activity.

So your saying I can do that to speech but only when it is to make money like writing a book or hosting a radio show : )


FCC license and sales taxes.
Besides, the Supremes have ruled that money is speech.
 
2014-02-06 10:51:45 AM  
WShat Texas open carriers might look like.

www.opencarrytexas.org
 
2014-02-06 10:52:50 AM  

biscuit mcgravy: As a libby, lib gun owner I don't see the need for it other than identifying yourself as someone who lives in constant fear. But if your legal and licensed then feel free to brandish your paranoia on your hip.

I live in the lowest crime neighborhood in one of the lowest crime big cities in the US. However, I have a tea party uncle who brings a handgun with him whenever he visits. He is seriously scared of being mugged or becoming a victim of the "knockout game" which has never happened here, and that sidearm is going to protect him against the roving gangs of black youths that only exist in his mind.


I see your point.  Nothing bad can ever happen no matter how unlikely it may be.  That's why I never carry a spare tire in my vehicle and don't keep any fire extinguishers in my home.
 
2014-02-06 10:53:35 AM  

mrshowrules: mutterfark: There are seven shades of grey just on the Fark favorite bar. Even Fark trolls are afforded more nuance than the gun debate in America.

/and that's all I have to say about that

Ok Forest.


Yeah, it was was lamesauce. This thread alone makes my post 100% wrong, and unfunny to boot.

/once again into the corner with the cone of shame
//will shut up and listen
 
2014-02-06 10:53:56 AM  

Garet Garrett: Or that you can't sell more than four used cars in a year unless you're a dealer?


That is actually law in Georgia.
 
2014-02-06 10:54:11 AM  

Bloody William: Dimensio: I do understand the reason: unable to present any rational argumentation, they instead attempt to shift the subject of discussion to an irrelevant topic with which they are obsessed, and they project their obsession onto those with whom they disagree.

You're really taking the fun out of lame dick jokes...


One of my major talents is draining any fun out of any normally enjoyable activity through over-analysis. At times, however, humor may be derived from my hyper-literal nature.
 
2014-02-06 10:54:37 AM  

Saiga410: dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: If you're not a felon and you have the proper license and have paid the fees, you most certainly can own an automatic firearm.

Provided, of course, that it's legal in your state, which it isn't in my state.  Despite the fact that they are very highly regulated at the federal level, and the supply is essentially frozen, because no new machine guns may be added to the NFA registry.  Since 1986.

Which is why transferable M-16 which should be worth about $1,000 is now worth $15-16,000.  So only the very rich can afford them.

That and I can go to my dads or a few buddy's garages with a few hundred feet of moly tubing and create my own racecar (my garage is too small).  Or turn an 80's Monty into a bomber.  Try that with firearms without getting in trouble.


To be fair, you can make your own (non-NFA, anyway) firearms at home without getting into any trouble, as long as you don't sell them.
 
2014-02-06 10:54:39 AM  

Saiga410: dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: If you're not a felon and you have the proper license and have paid the fees, you most certainly can own an automatic firearm.

Provided, of course, that it's legal in your state, which it isn't in my state.  Despite the fact that they are very highly regulated at the federal level, and the supply is essentially frozen, because no new machine guns may be added to the NFA registry.  Since 1986.

Which is why transferable M-16 which should be worth about $1,000 is now worth $15-16,000.  So only the very rich can afford them.

That and I can go to my dads or a few buddy's garages with a few hundred feet of moly tubing and create my own racecar (my garage is too small).  Or turn an 80's Monty into a bomber.  Try that with firearms without getting in trouble.


Cars are for transportation.
Firearms are for killin'.

/And you can fold your predictable sophistry until it's all sharp corners and push it up in there past your neck.
 
2014-02-06 10:55:12 AM  

shamanwest: About average for the affluency level regardless of gun laws?


What was it prior to the passage of the mandatory ownership law? Higher? Lower? The same?

Our survey says!

shamanwest: What do I win?

 
2014-02-06 10:56:47 AM  

joness0154: Saiga410: dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: If you're not a felon and you have the proper license and have paid the fees, you most certainly can own an automatic firearm.

Provided, of course, that it's legal in your state, which it isn't in my state.  Despite the fact that they are very highly regulated at the federal level, and the supply is essentially frozen, because no new machine guns may be added to the NFA registry.  Since 1986.

Which is why transferable M-16 which should be worth about $1,000 is now worth $15-16,000.  So only the very rich can afford them.

That and I can go to my dads or a few buddy's garages with a few hundred feet of moly tubing and create my own racecar (my garage is too small).  Or turn an 80's Monty into a bomber.  Try that with firearms without getting in trouble.

To be fair, you can make your own (non-NFA, anyway) firearms at home without getting into any trouble, as long as you don't sell them.


You can also make your own cannon since it is a muzzle loader.

/I have considered building a bowling ball mortar, but then came to my senses.
 
2014-02-06 10:56:53 AM  
Like I have said, in rural areas, they can give guns away as party favors for all I care. Gun control is probably a good idea for large, densely packed cities like NY, but only if law enforcement is tight to being with, like NY.
 
2014-02-06 10:57:03 AM  

mutterfark: mrshowrules: mutterfark: There are seven shades of grey just on the Fark favorite bar. Even Fark trolls are afforded more nuance than the gun debate in America.

/and that's all I have to say about that

Ok Forest.

Yeah, it was was lamesauce. This thread alone makes my post 100% wrong, and unfunny to boot.

/once again into the corner with the cone of shame
//will shut up and listen


Aw, quit beating yourself up - you're doing fine.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-06 10:57:26 AM  

jso2897: sprawl15: Dimensio:

it is hilarious when your whole 'i have a ged in internet logic' facade breaks down into 'lol u liek dicks'

its like the smell of a gun thread is enough to rustle your jimmies

Dancin_In_Anson: That's the best you can do?

wait do you really think your horrible posting deserves an honest response

Of course he doesn't - the knowledge that hardly anyone here does anything but goof on him anymore is an important component of his martyr complex. The fact that he gets troll responses to his inchoate blurts confirms, in his mind, the vast conspiracy against him.


He's no Gary, though...
 
2014-02-06 10:57:29 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: being


begin. I can to English.
 
2014-02-06 10:57:43 AM  

gravy chugging cretin.: WShat Texas open carriers might look like.

[www.opencarrytexas.org image 850x566]


I love that the all-murikan is carrying a chrome-plated AK.
 
2014-02-06 10:58:20 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: shamanwest: About average for the affluency level regardless of gun laws?

What was it prior to the passage of the mandatory ownership law? Higher? Lower? The same?

Our survey says!

shamanwest: What do I win?


*sigh*
And what is happening to the overall crime rate everywhere in the United States, Mister Correlation_is_causality?
 
2014-02-06 10:58:22 AM  

WTF Indeed: I thought her 15 minutes of liberal fame was over.


Conservative butthurt over her will last forever.
 
2014-02-06 10:58:31 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Cars are for transportation.
Firearms are for killin'.

/And you can fold your predictable sophistry until it's all sharp corners and push it up in there past your neck


Tell that to the guy that started with conflating firearm regulations and transportation regulations.  I was just taking the analogy a little farther.
 
2014-02-06 10:58:33 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Like I have said, in rural areas, they can give guns away as party favors for all I care. Gun control is probably a good idea for large, densely packed cities like NY, but only if law enforcement is tight to being with, like NY.


This is basically my stance - I'm in favor of making gun control a local issue, like any other policy. It makes sense in some areas, not others. This is why I believe the 2nd amendment is a bad idea.

But that makes me a gun grabber, I guess, since I'm in favor of local control.
 
2014-02-06 10:58:39 AM  

mutterfark: mrshowrules: mutterfark: There are seven shades of grey just on the Fark favorite bar. Even Fark trolls are afforded more nuance than the gun debate in America.

/and that's all I have to say about that

Ok Forest.

Yeah, it was was lamesauce. This thread alone makes my post 100% wrong, and unfunny to boot.

/once again into the corner with the cone of shame
//will shut up and listen


I enjoyed it.
 
2014-02-06 10:59:22 AM  

Dinki: I'm purty darn Liberal.


Oh yeah?  Prove it!

 If you carry it into a mall, a farmers market, or down main street, where the sole effect is to shock and frighten people, then you get arrested for disturbing the peace.

Wanting to arrest people you disagree with, because they scare you?  Yep, you are pretty darn liberal.
 
2014-02-06 11:00:11 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: cman: I was making a dumb joke.

But of course. Carry on then.

Bareefer Obonghit: [i1123.photobucket.com image 407x405]


I can see that! We are all so proud of you too!

jso2897: Looking for a place where you won't be pissing your panties in terror 24/7? There is no such place for a coward.

I assume that you never lock your doors on your house or vehicle. You also have a sign in your front yard proclaiming that fact and that you are brave enough to say that you are not afraid of anything. Because anything short of that would be pure unadulterated cowardice.

cousin-merle: What's the crime rate like on the moon?

0.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-02-06 11:00:33 AM  

sendtodave: Wanting to arrest people you disagree with, because they scare you?  Yep, you are pretty darn liberal.


Scaring people can and should be a crime, you don't think so? I agree there are limits, but as a general rule, causing someone to be terrified seems like a pretty offensive thing to do.
 
2014-02-06 11:01:22 AM  

gravy chugging cretin.: WShat Texas open carriers might look like.

[www.opencarrytexas.org image 850x566]


Man, the new G.I. Joe reboot SUCKS.
 
2014-02-06 11:02:12 AM  

Saiga410: demaL-demaL-yeH: Cars are for transportation.
Firearms are for killin'.

/And you can fold your predictable sophistry until it's all sharp corners and push it up in there past your neck

Tell that to the guy that started with conflating firearm regulations and transportation regulations.  I was just taking the analogy a little farther.


Hmm.  You're right. They should have different treatment.
 
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