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(People Magazine)   Another member of the Allen/Farrow clan speaks up. Bonus: He's a family therapist   ( people.com) divider line
    More: Followup, Woody Allen, Allen/Farrow, Brother Moses, family therapist, Soon-Yi Previn, Mia Farrow, false memories  
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2014-02-06 05:50:10 AM  
5 votes:
OK, so to get this straight:  About six or so months after Woody and Soon Yi hook up and he and Mia are splitsville, she invites him and Soon Yi to come to her Connecticut country estate to spend the weekend to supposedly do a little "family bonding/repair."   Mia never wanted for money and she is/was independently wealthy long before she met Woody.

During this weekend family retreat (from what I can gather from reading the differing accounts), there were 5 adults present and 3 children.  Adults:  Mia, Woody, Soon Yi, Monica Thompson (nanny to Farrow/Allen for 7 years, but who wasn't present on the day Mia made the initial allegation), and Kristie Groteke (nanny who said that Dylan was never out of her sight for more than 5 minutes.)  The three children were Moses (14), Dylan (7) and Ronan/Satchel (4).

Of all the people present that day, it appears that only Mia Farrow, Dylan and Ronan believe the allegations or continue to make them.

Monica Thompson gave sworn testimony that she believed the entire thing was a "set up" orchestrated by Farrow who had been coaxing her for weeks beforehand to not allow Allen to be alone with Dylan and had conveniently gone "shopping" for a few hours on the day that things went down, all as part of making it look spontaneous.  Groteke has been quoted as feeling used and felt like Farrow was pressuring her to lie on her behalf and against Allen.

So basically, there's not a single adult present during that weekend who believes the accusation to be true and now we find out that the 14 yr old doesn't either.  That only leaves Mia and the two kids and I'm fairly certain that to a large degree we can dismiss Ronan's opinion as most 4 yr olds simply don't possess the judgment or knowledge to determine fact from fiction at that age and could be easily manipulated by either parent.

This whole "case" against him is looker weaker and weaker every time I look at it.
2014-02-06 04:42:26 AM  
5 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.



That article is regurgitated every time there's a Woody Molester article, and it is so far up Woody's ass/ dangling from his empty nutsack as to be entirely pointless.
2014-02-06 11:47:24 AM  
4 votes:
And ladies and gentlemen this is why people are afraid of talking about how they were molested as children. The fear of being called a liar.
2014-02-06 04:29:31 AM  
3 votes:

Mugato: Moses? Really?

Woody's a creepy bastard and all but like three of his movies suck but I give someone the benefit of the doubt when they're accused of what he's accused of.The only unforgivable thing he's guilty in my mind is Annie Hall beating Star Wars for best picture.


Show us on this Oscar where the Academy touched you.
2014-02-06 04:26:57 AM  
3 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.


Yeah, a totally unbiased source.  Right.
2014-02-06 04:13:54 PM  
2 votes:
Did anyone read the Vanity Fair article? (*crickets*) It is a FACT that BEFORE the therapist reported (nope, Mia didn't start this) Dylan's allegations, Allen was already in therapy for "inappropriate behavior" toward her. (Among other things, he enjoyed sticking his thumb in her mouth and having her suck it. Not making this up.) He was attending that therapy WILLINGLY. It's a matter of record. I don't know about any of you, but I sure as hell wouldn't go to therapy for something like that, because I'm not a pedo, and I wouldn't want anyone thinking I was. (No shade to the pedos that DO seek help, however; good on you, keep it up.)

I'm amazed at how many people would rather believe in some elaborate, masterful brainwashing conspiracy whose effects lasted for DECADES than use their damned common sense and say, "Ya know, there is quite a bit of smoke here. Might well be some fire."
2014-02-06 11:46:52 AM  
2 votes:

Vantango84: Darth Macho: It's so nice to hear Woody Allen step up and publicly set the record straight on this issue. Oh, wait a minute... he's not? He's hiding from the world like Michael Jackson and using an army of white knights to hurl insults at the victim and present quasi-legalistic arguments as to why 'no charges filed in lieu of visitation rights waived' = 'innocent as the day he was born'.

It's so good to see an elderly Jewish man react to child molestation accusations with the same finesse as the Catholic Church.

He asked for the chance to respond in the New York Times. Poor hideout strategy.


He's also been saying he might respond since the Golden Globes. If his letter exists, publish it and get it over with. Otherwise he's still hiding behind white knights.
2014-02-06 04:38:41 AM  
2 votes:

JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?


To be fair, he's been accused of this sort of thing before. Doesn't make him automatically guilty, but it's worth looking into. So why are you having such a kneejerk reaction? Did you help Woody rape people or something?

/dont take that last sentence seriously ;)
2014-02-06 12:13:58 AM  
2 votes:
Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?
2014-02-06 05:17:16 PM  
1 vote:

ObliqueAsymptote: It's curious to me that those who say they believe Dylan explain it's because of all the "details" she includes.

Ever hung out with people who starts attending AA meetings? The details of their drinking patterns start mirroring the stories that they have been immersed into. Different meetings similar details.

Our brains and our memories are extraordinarily adaptable.


It's curious to me how assholes like to blame the accuser automatically.
2014-02-06 02:23:49 PM  
1 vote:

James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus is about to accuse you all of being child molesters.

If I did, all you'd need is an ex who is a certifiable loon and you're good.

More like an ex/commenter who is losing an argument/relationship throws out some wild accusations to get even.  Too bad you don't have a 7 and 4 year old to brainwash though.

Sorry, you lost me with that one. I don't know if Woody Allen molested that woman when she was a girl or not. I am not about to get all screamy one way or the other. But I am disturbed by all the brilliant legal minds here willing to tell her she's either a big farking liar or a brainwashed fool.

Your "Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him." comment seems to imply that you do have an opinion.

True. Now go away and stop making me look bad.

Only you can stop yourself from looking bad.


That's not exactly going away.

So anyway, I find all the vigorous, strident and repeated defenses of Allen odd, to say the least. What we have is an adult woman who says he molested her as a child. She's saying that, so I don't care to hear shiat about Mia Farow, Frank Sinatra or whatever. It's her saying it.

Nobody knows for sure except Dylan and Woody. I don't know for sure but I do not immediately dismiss the alleged victim's statements. In doing so, I believe fark rules of order allow me to rub some shiat on the people who do think they know. Thank you for your time.
2014-02-06 12:53:12 PM  
1 vote:

James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus is about to accuse you all of being child molesters.

If I did, all you'd need is an ex who is a certifiable loon and you're good.

More like an ex/commenter who is losing an argument/relationship throws out some wild accusations to get even.  Too bad you don't have a 7 and 4 year old to brainwash though.


Sorry, you lost me with that one. I don't know if Woody Allen molested that woman when she was a girl or not. I am not about to get all screamy one way or the other. But I am disturbed by all the brilliant legal minds here willing to tell her she's either a big farking liar or a brainwashed fool.
2014-02-06 12:29:30 PM  
1 vote:

Cletus C.: You need to focus only on Dylan Farrow and what she is saying right now. She says Woody Allen is a creep who made her childhood a nightmare. She's an adult, no longer under the spell of Mia Farrow, you would think. She is adamant. Dismiss her based on the Kern County witch hunt if you want. I just wonder why you're so passionate about the whole thing.


Why, you answered that yourself, Cletus. It's because he wants to sleep with Woody, right? Never mind his denials about being much of a fan, we both know what's really going on, don't we? All I can say is thank goodness for your own thoroughly dispassionate perspective.
2014-02-06 12:24:03 PM  
1 vote:

lawboy87: Cletus C.: DamnYankees: Cletus C.: The Woody defender brigade needs to sit down with Dylan and tell her she was not molested. She clearly thinks she was but if provided a link to that old white-knighting article and having access to your gut feelings, she may decide he didn't actually do what she says he did.

Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him. You're way too old.

Do you think people should assume every person accused of sexual assault is always guilty? Seems pretty unfair.

No, I think you should go ahead and assume he is not because you like his movies and think Mia Farrow is a nutcase or something. Tell that woman she's wrong for the reasons cited above.

The last Woody Allen I remember seeing was something like 14 yrs ago, and what I remember was getting up and walking out about an hour into it.  I can't even recall sitting through a Woody Allen movie in the interim.  I will admit to trying to find Take the Money and Run recently as I thought my son (13) would love it.

Cletus, I've posted this info to you at least 3 times now, have you even bothered to look up the Kern Country sexual abuse hoax/scandal from the 80's?   Do you know that several of the kids who testified as children still believe that they were the victims of satanic ritual abuse and now as adults in their mid/late 30's still refuse to have any contact with their parents?  All of this despite the fact that they've even had evidence presented to them that they were coached into lying? (The State Police/Defense Attorneys actually got the video tapes of the "therapy" sessions with the kids were a social worker convinced them of an alternative reality.)

I don't think anyone is questioning whether Dylan believes what she says, the question is what a child says always reliable.  Secondly, does the existence of some fairly significant evidence that Mia Farrow set this weekend up to basically do a frame job on Woody indicate that she could have coached young Dylan in ...


Clearly, you have a lingering problem with that Kern County case. Good for you, keep carrying that torch. There are other examples of mass hysteria and false accusations you could unearth.

Why you need to continue to hold up Mia Farrow's erratic behavior as proof of Woody's innocence is the most troubling aspect.

You need to focus only on Dylan Farrow and what she is saying right now. She says Woody Allen is a creep who made her childhood a nightmare. She's an adult, no longer under the spell of Mia Farrow, you would think. She is adamant. Dismiss her based on the Kern County witch hunt if you want. I just wonder why you're so passionate about the whole thing.
2014-02-06 11:54:28 AM  
1 vote:

FirstNationalBastard: DamnYankees: A Terrible Human: And ladies and gentlemen this is why people are afraid of talking about how they were molested as children. The fear of being called a liar.

I understand that, but what's the alternative. To assume everyone accused of child molestation is guilty?

I've got the pitchforks if you'll bring the torches.


Just leave her alone if you don't believe her story. She doesn't deserve that.
2014-02-06 11:40:29 AM  
1 vote:

nocturnal001: JFC, what a crazy family.

Either way they are (the parents) a couple of royal nutjobs worthy of scorn. Either Farrow is a crazy biatch who convinced her daughter that she was molested in order to get back and her asshole BF that decided to bang her/their daughter or Allen is a pedo molester that Farrow didn't notice was diddling her kid and stealing her other daughter.


THIS.

I will never fail to see Dylan Farrow as a victim, and I hate all the backlash she's getting for telling her story.   Even if she wasn't molested (and after reading her open letter, I believe she was...too many details.)  she very obviously BELIEVES she was.

Even if Dylan was "brainwashed" by crazy Mia, does that make Dylan any less of a victim?
2014-02-06 11:30:33 AM  
1 vote:
It's so nice to hear Woody Allen step up and publicly set the record straight on this issue. Oh, wait a minute... he's not? He's hiding from the world like Michael Jackson and using an army of white knights to hurl insults at the victim and present quasi-legalistic arguments as to why 'no charges filed in lieu of visitation rights waived' = 'innocent as the day he was born'.

It's so good to see an elderly Jewish man react to child molestation accusations with the same finesse as the Catholic Church.
2014-02-06 11:30:05 AM  
1 vote:
I suppose this could be discussed until the end of time but woody allen aside there's not a rich dude with a decent lawyer in the whole country who would be arraigned with the amount of doubt surrounding these claims. No matter who you believe the DA ain't stupid enough waste a bunch of time gunning for a guy when multiple family members say it never happened. They make arrests to get convictions and there is a zero chance of a conviction here.
2014-02-06 11:08:06 AM  
1 vote:

DamnYankees: Cletus C.: The Woody defender brigade needs to sit down with Dylan and tell her she was not molested. She clearly thinks she was but if provided a link to that old white-knighting article and having access to your gut feelings, she may decide he didn't actually do what she says he did.

Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him. You're way too old.

Do you think people should assume every person accused of sexual assault is always guilty? Seems pretty unfair.


No, I think you should go ahead and assume he is not because you like his movies and think Mia Farrow is a nutcase or something. Tell that woman she's wrong for the reasons cited above.
2014-02-06 10:55:22 AM  
1 vote:

Cletus C.: The Woody defender brigade needs to sit down with Dylan and tell her she was not molested. She clearly thinks she was but if provided a link to that old white-knighting article and having access to your gut feelings, she may decide he didn't actually do what she says he did.


That "old white-knighting article" is what, a week and a half old?

Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him. You're way too old.

So  then, what about you? How are things going between you and Dylan? Is she putting out for you yet? Does that strike you as somehow smart or clever of me to ask? No?
2014-02-06 10:40:26 AM  
1 vote:
The Woody defender brigade needs to sit down with Dylan and tell her she was not molested. She clearly thinks she was but if provided a link to that old white-knighting article and having access to your gut feelings, she may decide he didn't actually do what she says he did.

Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him. You're way too old.
2014-02-06 10:26:27 AM  
1 vote:
JFC, what a crazy family.

Either way they are (the parents) a couple of royal nutjobs worthy of scorn. Either Farrow is a crazy biatch who convinced her daughter that she was molested in order to get back and her asshole BF that decided to bang her/their daughter or Allen is a pedo molester that Farrow didn't notice was diddling her kid and stealing her other daughter.

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Hey kids, this is the first picture of me and your mommy. What? Oh that blonde lady in the picture was your mommy's adopted mother that I was banging at the time and that is where your uncle/brother that won't speak to me came from.

Class act all the way that Allen.
2014-02-06 09:53:19 AM  
1 vote:
so how many of you would let Woody babysit your preteen daughter while you went out shopping for the afternoon?
2014-02-06 08:51:07 AM  
1 vote:
The only thing I am positive about in this whole mess is that none of the people involved seem like they should have been around children.
2014-02-06 08:37:04 AM  
1 vote:

GungFu: Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.


That article is regurgitated every time there's a Woody Molester article, and it is so far up Woody's ass/ dangling from his empty nutsack as to be entirely pointless.


Sooooooo... that list of facts about Soon-Yi & Allen is inaccurate? Do you have an alternate version of events for the investigation into Dylan/Malone's accusations?  Should we break out the torches and pitchforks since the prosecutor refused to go on his own witchhunt?

To what authority would you suggest we appeal?
2014-02-06 07:40:11 AM  
1 vote:

GungFu: Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.


That article is regurgitated every time there's a Woody Molester article, and it is so far up Woody's ass/ dangling from his empty nutsack as to be entirely pointless.


Yeah, this. As far as I'm concerned, Woody is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, but I'd still treat that article as heavily biased.
Granted it's a more subtle bias than is the norm for this country, which probably explains why there are people so easily taken in by it. At least it's handy for flagging up people short on critical thinking skills.
2014-02-06 07:09:52 AM  
1 vote:
Apparently, there's a growing backlash building against Mia.  Lots of former co-workers and the like are comparing notes for all the reasons they hate her.  I know it's primarily gossip at this point, but there's some allegations that are surfacing, which don't paint her in the best of light.

Like apparently her tale of Sinatra suing her for divorce, after she wouldn't quit her role in Rosemary's Baby and visiting the set, was likely a subterfuge for the fact she was having an affair with someone involved in the film?  (That might help explain her life long friendship with Polanski and why she has been such a vocal and ardent supporter of him for the last 30 yrs or so.)

Anyway, take it for what it's worth, but here's a blogger who claims to have known Farrow for many, many years and apparently does have some credibility as an actual industry "insider" who just chews Farrow up and spits her out.

http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2014/02/mia-and-her-brood-drag-wha te vers-left.html
2014-02-06 06:00:19 AM  
1 vote:
DamnYankees:
Secondly - this is a farked up family.

Yup. There's only one way to settle this. Get Jerry Springer  to bring them all together in his show.
2014-02-06 05:55:30 AM  
1 vote:
Some farkers believe that women never make accusations but only ever speak the truth. They are as sexist as the "shut your mouth and gimme a sandwich" crowd.
2014-02-06 04:36:26 AM  
1 vote:

hestheone: Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.

Yeah, a totally unbiased source.  Right.


The only reasonable argument is that charges were never levelled against Woody. I certainly don't believe that the prosecutor decided not to charge him in the face of overwhelming evidence. That doesn't make any sense (Someone rapes a kid and you don't even try to scare them into doing a plea bargain?) Also, there was never a civil case brought against him by Mia, nor was there any attempt to put in place a restraining order. In fact, for a rapist, surprisingly little was done by the children's mother to actually legally bar him from being in their presence.

C'mon guys...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
2014-02-06 04:35:24 AM  
1 vote:

hestheone: Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.

Yeah, a totally unbiased source.  Right.


Not unbiased, but he spent more time with Woody & Soon-Yi than about any journalist, ever.  Yes, American Masters pieces are love-fests, but they make proper documentaries and Woody gave them an amazing amount of access: they were in his bedroom as he finished his morning's writing, and I've never seen Allen speak publicly about how and where he writes before
2014-02-06 04:17:51 AM  
1 vote:
FTFA: "I think my sister is missing a great deal in life in not reconnecting with her father, who had always adored her," he says


Right, and you and other knuckleheads don't seem to grasp the severity of the situation.  Meeting Allen, her father, will also be meeting her step-mother/ adopted sister and then there are the other adopted kids....jeez, my head asploded.
2014-02-06 01:36:42 AM  
1 vote:

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Mia's never been the same since she got debil raped in the 60s.

Family never had a chance after that.


But enough about Sinatra...
2014-02-06 12:56:07 AM  
1 vote:

JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?


Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.
 
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