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(People Magazine)   Another member of the Allen/Farrow clan speaks up. Bonus: He's a family therapist   (people.com) divider line 154
    More: Followup, Woody Allen, Allen/Farrow, Brother Moses, family therapist, Soon-Yi Previn, Mia Farrow, false memories  
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2014-02-05 11:35:42 PM
First of all, great job picking a shiatty headline with 0 comments over a better headline with a conversation ongoing.

Secondly - this is a farked up family.
 
2014-02-05 11:38:54 PM
Mia's never been the same since she got debil raped in the 60s.

Family never had a chance after that.
 
2014-02-05 11:43:42 PM

DamnYankees: First of all, great job picking a shiatty headline with 0 comments over a better headline with a conversation ongoing.

Secondly - this is a farked up family.


All of that up there^
 
2014-02-06 12:13:58 AM
Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?
 
2014-02-06 12:20:35 AM

JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion


To be fair, she's the one that put it out in the court of public opinion. It wasn't the National Enquirer or some sleazy journalist.
 
2014-02-06 12:42:33 AM
Moses? Really?

Woody's a creepy bastard and all but like three of his movies suck but I give someone the benefit of the doubt when they're accused of what he's accused of.The only unforgivable thing he's guilty in my mind is Annie Hall beating Star Wars for best picture.
 
2014-02-06 12:56:07 AM

JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?


Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.
 
2014-02-06 01:00:35 AM
Pretty sure Woody is the family the rapist.
 
2014-02-06 01:36:42 AM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Mia's never been the same since she got debil raped in the 60s.

Family never had a chance after that.


But enough about Sinatra...
 
2014-02-06 04:17:51 AM
FTFA: "I think my sister is missing a great deal in life in not reconnecting with her father, who had always adored her," he says


Right, and you and other knuckleheads don't seem to grasp the severity of the situation.  Meeting Allen, her father, will also be meeting her step-mother/ adopted sister and then there are the other adopted kids....jeez, my head asploded.
 
2014-02-06 04:24:11 AM
Out of all the Farrow/Allen family members to spill their family gossip onto our screens, I do have to admit that I find that Moses is the most credible to date. And yes, the fact that he has a masters degree in clinical psychology is a pretty heavy argument.

You'd have to have the self awareness of a rock to sit though all that education and then public practice and not be reflective about your own childhood and life.

That's not to say that there aren't some farked up psych majors out there, just that in my experience if they managed to make it through school, the tend to be at least aware of how farked up they are.
 
2014-02-06 04:26:57 AM

Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.


Yeah, a totally unbiased source.  Right.
 
2014-02-06 04:29:31 AM

Mugato: Moses? Really?

Woody's a creepy bastard and all but like three of his movies suck but I give someone the benefit of the doubt when they're accused of what he's accused of.The only unforgivable thing he's guilty in my mind is Annie Hall beating Star Wars for best picture.


Show us on this Oscar where the Academy touched you.
 
2014-02-06 04:35:24 AM

hestheone: Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.

Yeah, a totally unbiased source.  Right.


Not unbiased, but he spent more time with Woody & Soon-Yi than about any journalist, ever.  Yes, American Masters pieces are love-fests, but they make proper documentaries and Woody gave them an amazing amount of access: they were in his bedroom as he finished his morning's writing, and I've never seen Allen speak publicly about how and where he writes before
 
2014-02-06 04:36:26 AM

hestheone: Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.

Yeah, a totally unbiased source.  Right.


The only reasonable argument is that charges were never levelled against Woody. I certainly don't believe that the prosecutor decided not to charge him in the face of overwhelming evidence. That doesn't make any sense (Someone rapes a kid and you don't even try to scare them into doing a plea bargain?) Also, there was never a civil case brought against him by Mia, nor was there any attempt to put in place a restraining order. In fact, for a rapist, surprisingly little was done by the children's mother to actually legally bar him from being in their presence.

C'mon guys...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
 
2014-02-06 04:38:41 AM

JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?


To be fair, he's been accused of this sort of thing before. Doesn't make him automatically guilty, but it's worth looking into. So why are you having such a kneejerk reaction? Did you help Woody rape people or something?

/dont take that last sentence seriously ;)
 
2014-02-06 04:42:26 AM

Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.



That article is regurgitated every time there's a Woody Molester article, and it is so far up Woody's ass/ dangling from his empty nutsack as to be entirely pointless.
 
2014-02-06 04:43:27 AM

Abacus9: To be fair, he's been accused of this sort of thing before. Doesn't make him automatically guilty, but it's worth looking into. So why are you having such a kneejerk reaction?


He's been accused of the same crime -a single incident- over and over by one person for twenty years.

If you know anything about child molesters, you know that none of that fits the profile.

/I grew up during the "Satanic Sex Cult" hysteria in the 1980s, where families lost their kids over nothing but the words of a single DA, so I'm a little sensitive to this shiat.
//It scared me because even at the time I knew it wasn't real, but that took 25 years to prove.
 
2014-02-06 04:43:31 AM
The family therapist:
i527.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-06 04:46:03 AM
Woody Allen gave me pinkeye.
 
2014-02-06 04:48:48 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Abacus9: To be fair, he's been accused of this sort of thing before. Doesn't make him automatically guilty, but it's worth looking into. So why are you having such a kneejerk reaction?

He's been accused of the same crime -a single incident- over and over by one person for twenty years.

If you know anything about child molesters, you know that none of that fits the profile.

/I grew up during the "Satanic Sex Cult" hysteria in the 1980s, where families lost their kids over nothing but the words of a single DA, so I'm a little sensitive to this shiat.
//It scared me because even at the time I knew it wasn't real, but that took 25 years to prove.


Sorry, I remember those days too. I knew kids that weren't even allowed to listen to music, at least not real music.

As far as Woody goes, I only think they should look into it. That's all I said.
 
2014-02-06 05:00:23 AM

Abacus9: As far as Woody goes, I only think they should look into it. That's all I said.


I think it's all pretty well been covered. What needs to be accepted is this (both have equal weight):

1) marrying your ex-partner's 22 year-old adopted daughter when you're 50 is creepy.

2) having a herd of children, some adopted, many with special needs, is enough to stress to breaking even the wealthiest mother and is also weirdly creepy.

/you want to see something scary which IS actually worth getting worked up about?  Look up "Operation Yew Tree".  Some VERY bad shiat coming out in the UK.
 
2014-02-06 05:01:58 AM

JasonOfOrillia: So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?


You're supposed to like his films (at least some of them) while thinking he's a creepy human being.

You're welcome.
 
2014-02-06 05:25:10 AM
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Somebody call?
 
2014-02-06 05:50:10 AM
OK, so to get this straight:  About six or so months after Woody and Soon Yi hook up and he and Mia are splitsville, she invites him and Soon Yi to come to her Connecticut country estate to spend the weekend to supposedly do a little "family bonding/repair."   Mia never wanted for money and she is/was independently wealthy long before she met Woody.

During this weekend family retreat (from what I can gather from reading the differing accounts), there were 5 adults present and 3 children.  Adults:  Mia, Woody, Soon Yi, Monica Thompson (nanny to Farrow/Allen for 7 years, but who wasn't present on the day Mia made the initial allegation), and Kristie Groteke (nanny who said that Dylan was never out of her sight for more than 5 minutes.)  The three children were Moses (14), Dylan (7) and Ronan/Satchel (4).

Of all the people present that day, it appears that only Mia Farrow, Dylan and Ronan believe the allegations or continue to make them.

Monica Thompson gave sworn testimony that she believed the entire thing was a "set up" orchestrated by Farrow who had been coaxing her for weeks beforehand to not allow Allen to be alone with Dylan and had conveniently gone "shopping" for a few hours on the day that things went down, all as part of making it look spontaneous.  Groteke has been quoted as feeling used and felt like Farrow was pressuring her to lie on her behalf and against Allen.

So basically, there's not a single adult present during that weekend who believes the accusation to be true and now we find out that the 14 yr old doesn't either.  That only leaves Mia and the two kids and I'm fairly certain that to a large degree we can dismiss Ronan's opinion as most 4 yr olds simply don't possess the judgment or knowledge to determine fact from fiction at that age and could be easily manipulated by either parent.

This whole "case" against him is looker weaker and weaker every time I look at it.
 
2014-02-06 05:55:30 AM
Some farkers believe that women never make accusations but only ever speak the truth. They are as sexist as the "shut your mouth and gimme a sandwich" crowd.
 
2014-02-06 06:00:19 AM
DamnYankees:
Secondly - this is a farked up family.

Yup. There's only one way to settle this. Get Jerry Springer  to bring them all together in his show.
 
2014-02-06 06:01:05 AM

hestheone: Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.

Yeah, a totally unbiased source.  Right.


Well, it is a male reporter, so I guess you've got us there.
 
2014-02-06 06:04:34 AM

lawboy87: OK, so to get this straight:  About six or so months after Woody and Soon Yi hook up and he and Mia are splitsville, she invites him and Soon Yi to come to her Connecticut country estate to spend the weekend to supposedly do a little "family bonding/repair."   Mia never wanted for money and she is/was independently wealthy long before she met Woody.

During this weekend family retreat (from what I can gather from reading the differing accounts), there were 5 adults present and 3 children.  Adults:  Mia, Woody, Soon Yi, Monica Thompson (nanny to Farrow/Allen for 7 years, but who wasn't present on the day Mia made the initial allegation), and Kristie Groteke (nanny who said that Dylan was never out of her sight for more than 5 minutes.)  The three children were Moses (14), Dylan (7) and Ronan/Satchel (4).

Of all the people present that day, it appears that only Mia Farrow, Dylan and Ronan believe the allegations or continue to make them.

Monica Thompson gave sworn testimony that she believed the entire thing was a "set up" orchestrated by Farrow who had been coaxing her for weeks beforehand to not allow Allen to be alone with Dylan and had conveniently gone "shopping" for a few hours on the day that things went down, all as part of making it look spontaneous.  Groteke has been quoted as feeling used and felt like Farrow was pressuring her to lie on her behalf and against Allen.

So basically, there's not a single adult present during that weekend who believes the accusation to be true and now we find out that the 14 yr old doesn't either.  That only leaves Mia and the two kids and I'm fairly certain that to a large degree we can dismiss Ronan's opinion as most 4 yr olds simply don't possess the judgment or knowledge to determine fact from fiction at that age and could be easily manipulated by either parent.

This whole "case" against him is looker weaker and weaker every time I look at it.


Something about that reminded me of A Midsummer Night's Sex Comedy.
 
2014-02-06 06:44:13 AM

JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?


Yes.
 
2014-02-06 06:58:59 AM

lawboy87: OK, so to get this straight:  About six or so months after Woody and Soon Yi hook up and he and Mia are splitsville, she invites him and Soon Yi to come to her Connecticut country estate to spend the weekend to supposedly do a little "family bonding/repair."   Mia never wanted for money and she is/was independently wealthy long before she met Woody.

During this weekend family retreat (from what I can gather from reading the differing accounts), there were 5 adults present and 3 children.  Adults:  Mia, Woody, Soon Yi, Monica Thompson (nanny to Farrow/Allen for 7 years, but who wasn't present on the day Mia made the initial allegation), and Kristie Groteke (nanny who said that Dylan was never out of her sight for more than 5 minutes.)  The three children were Moses (14), Dylan (7) and Ronan/Satchel (4).

Of all the people present that day, it appears that only Mia Farrow, Dylan and Ronan believe the allegations or continue to make them.

Monica Thompson gave sworn testimony that she believed the entire thing was a "set up" orchestrated by Farrow who had been coaxing her for weeks beforehand to not allow Allen to be alone with Dylan and had conveniently gone "shopping" for a few hours on the day that things went down, all as part of making it look spontaneous.  Groteke has been quoted as feeling used and felt like Farrow was pressuring her to lie on her behalf and against Allen.

So basically, there's not a single adult present during that weekend who believes the accusation to be true and now we find out that the 14 yr old doesn't either.  That only leaves Mia and the two kids and I'm fairly certain that to a large degree we can dismiss Ronan's opinion as most 4 yr olds simply don't possess the judgment or knowledge to determine fact from fiction at that age and could be easily manipulated by either parent.

This whole "case" against him is looker weaker and weaker every time I look at it.


That's the long and short of it, but there's tons of details and color to add: Mia was married at 19 to Frank Sinatra, who was 54, and she now claims that Ronan is Sinatra's son, so she was still sleeping with one of her ex-husbands over a decade after they split.

On some level, both Soon-Yi and Woody were trying to get free from Mia at the same time, so they ended up together.  Still creepy, and more so if you've ever seen What's Up, Tiger Lily.

When they were together, Woody and Mia lived separate lives (both of them are clearly people with serious mental issues): instead of moving in together, they maintained separate apartments on opposite sides of Central Park.  Crossing the park in Manhattan is both physically and culturally like crossing the DMZ, so it was an extremely odd thing to do, though I remember them bragging about it in a Rolling Stone interview in the early 1980s.  Woody apparently too a taxi home every night.
 
2014-02-06 07:09:52 AM
Apparently, there's a growing backlash building against Mia.  Lots of former co-workers and the like are comparing notes for all the reasons they hate her.  I know it's primarily gossip at this point, but there's some allegations that are surfacing, which don't paint her in the best of light.

Like apparently her tale of Sinatra suing her for divorce, after she wouldn't quit her role in Rosemary's Baby and visiting the set, was likely a subterfuge for the fact she was having an affair with someone involved in the film?  (That might help explain her life long friendship with Polanski and why she has been such a vocal and ardent supporter of him for the last 30 yrs or so.)

Anyway, take it for what it's worth, but here's a blogger who claims to have known Farrow for many, many years and apparently does have some credibility as an actual industry "insider" who just chews Farrow up and spits her out.

http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2014/02/mia-and-her-brood-drag-wha te vers-left.html
 
2014-02-06 07:26:09 AM

Hollie Maea: Pretty sure Woody is the family the rapist.


The proper wording for the joke would be "I thought Woody was therapist for the family."
 
2014-02-06 07:40:11 AM

GungFu: Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.


That article is regurgitated every time there's a Woody Molester article, and it is so far up Woody's ass/ dangling from his empty nutsack as to be entirely pointless.


Yeah, this. As far as I'm concerned, Woody is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, but I'd still treat that article as heavily biased.
Granted it's a more subtle bias than is the norm for this country, which probably explains why there are people so easily taken in by it. At least it's handy for flagging up people short on critical thinking skills.
 
2014-02-06 07:51:54 AM

Abacus9: Dwight_Yeast: Abacus9: To be fair, he's been accused of this sort of thing before. Doesn't make him automatically guilty, but it's worth looking into. So why are you having such a kneejerk reaction?

He's been accused of the same crime -a single incident- over and over by one person for twenty years.

If you know anything about child molesters, you know that none of that fits the profile.

/I grew up during the "Satanic Sex Cult" hysteria in the 1980s, where families lost their kids over nothing but the words of a single DA, so I'm a little sensitive to this shiat.
//It scared me because even at the time I knew it wasn't real, but that took 25 years to prove.

Sorry, I remember those days too. I knew kids that weren't even allowed to listen to music, at least not real music.

As far as Woody goes, I only think they should look into it. That's all I said.


You know how I know you didn't read the article?
 
2014-02-06 08:02:16 AM

hestheone: Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.

Yeah, a totally unbiased source.  Right.




He is a creep but he actions of his bitter ex , conflicting accounts form family memebers would leave room for reasonable doubt if I were on the jury, granted it is only based on what I have read. Absent DNA /video evidence I could not convict as it stands right now.

The biggest strike against Mia Farrows credibility IMHO is her support of Roman Polanski:
 
2014-02-06 08:03:40 AM
He was pretty good in "Ants" so he's got that.
 
2014-02-06 08:16:54 AM

Dont Call Me Shirley: He was pretty good in "Ants" so he's got that.


...and uncles, and step-children, and...
 
2014-02-06 08:28:44 AM

lawboy87: Like apparently her tale of Sinatra suing her for divorce, after she wouldn't quit her role in Rosemary's Baby and visiting the set, was likely a subterfuge for the fact she was having an affair with someone involved in the film? (That might help explain her life long friendship with Polanski and why she has been such a vocal and ardent supporter of him for the last 30 yrs or so.)


1) He served the papers to her on-set.  But I do think he was vain enough to divorce her for turning down The Detective.

2) It was Polanski.  Everyone knew they were sleeping together, while Sharon Tate was pregnant.  It's what compounded the Mason thing in Hollywood's mind.
 
2014-02-06 08:37:04 AM

GungFu: Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.


That article is regurgitated every time there's a Woody Molester article, and it is so far up Woody's ass/ dangling from his empty nutsack as to be entirely pointless.


Sooooooo... that list of facts about Soon-Yi & Allen is inaccurate? Do you have an alternate version of events for the investigation into Dylan/Malone's accusations?  Should we break out the torches and pitchforks since the prosecutor refused to go on his own witchhunt?

To what authority would you suggest we appeal?
 
2014-02-06 08:47:49 AM

Dwight_Yeast: 2) It was Polanski.  Everyone knew they were sleeping together, while Sharon Tate was pregnant.  It's what compounded the Mason thing in Hollywood's mind.


We should just blame this whole thing on the Beatles' White Album and move on.
 
2014-02-06 08:48:50 AM

Confabulat: Dwight_Yeast: 2) It was Polanski.  Everyone knew they were sleeping together, while Sharon Tate was pregnant.  It's what compounded the Mason thing in Hollywood's mind.

We should just blame this whole thing on the Beatles' White Album and move on.


If only it had been one great album instead of two average ones...
 
2014-02-06 08:51:07 AM
The only thing I am positive about in this whole mess is that none of the people involved seem like they should have been around children.
 
2014-02-06 09:16:43 AM
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2014-02-06 09:48:35 AM
Anyone know anything about how Allen came to adopt two children with his current wife? Was there anything weirdly underhanded about it, or did that go through any sort of normal channels where he was cleared to do so? Because it strikes me as odd that he was able to do so if there was much legitimate concern lingering about him as a potential parent. Was there a storm of outrage over that from professionals at the time? I don't remember any backlash but that's not to say it didn't happen. Note: a photo of grumpy-looking children doesn't count for a whole lot as "evidence" FYI.
 
2014-02-06 09:51:21 AM

lawboy87: OK, so to get this straight:  About six or so months after Woody and Soon Yi hook up and he and Mia are splitsville, she invites him and Soon Yi to come to her Connecticut country estate to spend the weekend to supposedly do a little "family bonding/repair."   Mia never wanted for money and she is/was independently wealthy long before she met Woody.

During this weekend family retreat (from what I can gather from reading the differing accounts), there were 5 adults present and 3 children.  Adults:  Mia, Woody, Soon Yi, Monica Thompson (nanny to Farrow/Allen for 7 years, but who wasn't present on the day Mia made the initial allegation), and Kristie Groteke (nanny who said that Dylan was never out of her sight for more than 5 minutes.)  The three children were Moses (14), Dylan (7) and Ronan/Satchel (4).

Of all the people present that day, it appears that only Mia Farrow, Dylan and Ronan believe the allegations or continue to make them.

Monica Thompson gave sworn testimony that she believed the entire thing was a "set up" orchestrated by Farrow who had been coaxing her for weeks beforehand to not allow Allen to be alone with Dylan and had conveniently gone "shopping" for a few hours on the day that things went down, all as part of making it look spontaneous.  Groteke has been quoted as feeling used and felt like Farrow was pressuring her to lie on her behalf and against Allen.

So basically, there's not a single adult present during that weekend who believes the accusation to be true and now we find out that the 14 yr old doesn't either.  That only leaves Mia and the two kids and I'm fairly certain that to a large degree we can dismiss Ronan's opinion as most 4 yr olds simply don't possess the judgment or knowledge to determine fact from fiction at that age and could be easily manipulated by either parent.

This whole "case" against him is looker weaker and weaker every time I look at it.


To me, it smacks of a woman scorned. Allen dumped M Farrow, it pissed her off, and when Allen started dating Soon-Yi, all bets were off. What better way to cause problems for a man with young children than to accuse him of molesting/sexually assaulting one of them?

And why does M. Farrow seemingly bring this up all the gorram time? If it was as traumatic as she says, why would she keep picking at that wound? That seems...unhealthy from a psychological standpoint.

/I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist
 
2014-02-06 09:52:34 AM

Dwight_Yeast: It's what compounded the Mason thing in Hollywood's mind.


Oh My GOD!!!!    I always thought it was the Mason's behind the Manson murders!


In a more serious tone, if she were having an affair with Polanski then that goes to why she would testify on his behalf in his libel suit a few years back (it surrounded him supposedly sexing up someone in a restaurant right on the heels of her murder/funeral.)

I had almost forgotten, but a year or two before Mia and Woody had split, she was reported to have made a couple of big scenes in public with her sister and Woody after accusing the two of them of having an affair.

The irony here being that Mia has been known for a life long habit of bedding married men behind their wife's back.  That whole thing she pulled with Dory Previn is textbook, but when the shoe went on the other foot and she found out he had cheated on her, she went ballistic.

First class narcissist and if Ronan isn't Frank's, I'll eat my hat.
 
2014-02-06 09:53:19 AM
so how many of you would let Woody babysit your preteen daughter while you went out shopping for the afternoon?
 
2014-02-06 09:58:13 AM

Dont Call Me Shirley: He was pretty good in "Ants" so he's got that.


"Honey, I F*cked the Kids" was also kinda cute.
 
2014-02-06 09:58:35 AM

stonelotus: so how many of you would let Woody babysit your preteen daughter while you went out shopping for the afternoon?


Would he insist on fridge privileges and unlimited phone time?
 
2014-02-06 10:18:09 AM

Confabulat: Dwight_Yeast: 2) It was Polanski.  Everyone knew they were sleeping together, while Sharon Tate was pregnant.  It's what compounded the Mason thing in Hollywood's mind.

We should just blame this whole thing on the Beatles' White Album and move on.


I just watched a weird (badly-made but honest) doc on the Manson killings on Netflix, and almost everyone in Hollywood thought they had a connection to the killings.  Which is why LA is now full of small houses with very large gates.  We're a paranoid, vain and stupid people.

Manson, as a sociopath was boxing WAY above his class.
 
2014-02-06 10:26:27 AM
JFC, what a crazy family.

Either way they are (the parents) a couple of royal nutjobs worthy of scorn. Either Farrow is a crazy biatch who convinced her daughter that she was molested in order to get back and her asshole BF that decided to bang her/their daughter or Allen is a pedo molester that Farrow didn't notice was diddling her kid and stealing her other daughter.

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Hey kids, this is the first picture of me and your mommy. What? Oh that blonde lady in the picture was your mommy's adopted mother that I was banging at the time and that is where your uncle/brother that won't speak to me came from.

Class act all the way that Allen.
 
2014-02-06 10:40:26 AM
The Woody defender brigade needs to sit down with Dylan and tell her she was not molested. She clearly thinks she was but if provided a link to that old white-knighting article and having access to your gut feelings, she may decide he didn't actually do what she says he did.

Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him. You're way too old.
 
2014-02-06 10:45:27 AM

Cletus C.: The Woody defender brigade needs to sit down with Dylan and tell her she was not molested. She clearly thinks she was but if provided a link to that old white-knighting article and having access to your gut feelings, she may decide he didn't actually do what she says he did.

Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him. You're way too old.


But I look like a teenaged Asian girl!
 
2014-02-06 10:45:38 AM

Cletus C.: The Woody defender brigade needs to sit down with Dylan and tell her she was not molested. She clearly thinks she was but if provided a link to that old white-knighting article and having access to your gut feelings, she may decide he didn't actually do what she says he did.

Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him. You're way too old.


Maybe she was molested by Mia's brother.
 
2014-02-06 10:48:54 AM
I'm watching all this unfold, and I have to wonder where people think all this fighting is going.  Any chance at criminal trial is over.  There's no civil trial, and there's not going to be one.  There's the court of public opinion, but the information everyone has is the same that was out there in 1993.  People chose their sides a long time ago.  It's a polarizing thing, so it's going to be hard to move anyone to the other side of the fence.  The end result of the recent blow up is the same it's been for 20 years: Woody Allen remains a talented filmmaker that functions under a cloud.
 
2014-02-06 10:49:12 AM

James!: Cletus C.: The Woody defender brigade needs to sit down with Dylan and tell her she was not molested. She clearly thinks she was but if provided a link to that old white-knighting article and having access to your gut feelings, she may decide he didn't actually do what she says he did.

Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him. You're way too old.

Maybe she was molested by Mia's brother.


He wasn't into girls apparently.  Old John Farrow must have been a real piece of work.
 
2014-02-06 10:51:51 AM

Cletus C.: The Woody defender brigade needs to sit down with Dylan and tell her she was not molested. She clearly thinks she was but if provided a link to that old white-knighting article and having access to your gut feelings, she may decide he didn't actually do what she says he did.

Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him. You're way too old.


Do you think people should assume every person accused of sexual assault is always guilty? Seems pretty unfair.
 
2014-02-06 10:53:12 AM

macadamnut: James!: Cletus C.: The Woody defender brigade needs to sit down with Dylan and tell her she was not molested. She clearly thinks she was but if provided a link to that old white-knighting article and having access to your gut feelings, she may decide he didn't actually do what she says he did.

Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him. You're way too old.

Maybe she was molested by Mia's brother.

He wasn't into girls apparently.  Old John Farrow must have been a real piece of work.


But he is a convicted child molester.  If someone's claiming to have been molested you might look to the guy who actually was convicted of it rather than the guy mom's already mad at.
 
2014-02-06 10:55:01 AM

James!: But he is a convicted child molester.  If someone's claiming to have been molested you might look to the guy who actually was convicted of it rather than the guy mom's already mad at.


Yeah, to be honest when I read this it struck me a incredibly bizarre. What are the odds that this woman's brother is a child molester, and she just so happens to have had a long term relationship with another man she's accusing of child molestation? Isn't that unlikely?
 
2014-02-06 10:55:22 AM

Cletus C.: The Woody defender brigade needs to sit down with Dylan and tell her she was not molested. She clearly thinks she was but if provided a link to that old white-knighting article and having access to your gut feelings, she may decide he didn't actually do what she says he did.


That "old white-knighting article" is what, a week and a half old?

Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him. You're way too old.

So  then, what about you? How are things going between you and Dylan? Is she putting out for you yet? Does that strike you as somehow smart or clever of me to ask? No?
 
2014-02-06 10:55:46 AM

DamnYankees: James!: But he is a convicted child molester.  If someone's claiming to have been molested you might look to the guy who actually was convicted of it rather than the guy mom's already mad at.

Yeah, to be honest when I read this it struck me a incredibly bizarre. What are the odds that this woman's brother is a child molester, and she just so happens to have had a long term relationship with another man she's accusing of child molestation? Isn't that unlikely?


Everybody's got a type.
 
2014-02-06 10:55:51 AM

James!: macadamnut: James!: Cletus C.: The Woody defender brigade needs to sit down with Dylan and tell her she was not molested. She clearly thinks she was but if provided a link to that old white-knighting article and having access to your gut feelings, she may decide he didn't actually do what she says he did.

Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him. You're way too old.

Maybe she was molested by Mia's brother.

He wasn't into girls apparently.  Old John Farrow must have been a real piece of work.

But he is a convicted child molester.  If someone's claiming to have been molested you might look to the guy who actually was convicted of it rather than the guy mom's already mad at.


Well considering Mia Farrow married a 50 year old man when she was 19, and her brother just got convicted of molesting young boys, I'm having a hard time thinking I'd trust this woman's opinions on anything.

Woody Allen may be a nut, but he writes and directs a movie every year since like forever. He never speaks to the press, but I think at this point we sort of have an idea of his worldview.
 
2014-02-06 10:57:06 AM

James!: DamnYankees: James!: But he is a convicted child molester.  If someone's claiming to have been molested you might look to the guy who actually was convicted of it rather than the guy mom's already mad at.

Yeah, to be honest when I read this it struck me a incredibly bizarre. What are the odds that this woman's brother is a child molester, and she just so happens to have had a long term relationship with another man she's accusing of child molestation? Isn't that unlikely?

Everybody's got a type.


Oh, and she also had an affair with Roman Polanski, right? ANOTHER child molester? What's going on?!?!
 
2014-02-06 10:57:43 AM

Confabulat: James!: macadamnut: James!: Cletus C.: The Woody defender brigade needs to sit down with Dylan and tell her she was not molested. She clearly thinks she was but if provided a link to that old white-knighting article and having access to your gut feelings, she may decide he didn't actually do what she says he did.

Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him. You're way too old.

Maybe she was molested by Mia's brother.

He wasn't into girls apparently.  Old John Farrow must have been a real piece of work.

But he is a convicted child molester.  If someone's claiming to have been molested you might look to the guy who actually was convicted of it rather than the guy mom's already mad at.

Well considering Mia Farrow married a 50 year old man when she was 19, and her brother just got convicted of molesting young boys, I'm having a hard time thinking I'd trust this woman's opinions on anything.

Woody Allen may be a nut, but he writes and directs a movie every year since like forever. He never speaks to the press, but I think at this point we sort of have an idea of his worldview.


Roman Polanski drugged a sexually assaulted a 13 year old girl and Mia's still best buds with him.
 
2014-02-06 10:59:04 AM

James!: Roman Polanski drugged a sexually assaulted a 13 year old girl and Mia's still best buds with him.


Exactly. The woman isn't known for being exactly sane.
 
2014-02-06 10:59:08 AM

DamnYankees: James!: DamnYankees: James!: But he is a convicted child molester.  If someone's claiming to have been molested you might look to the guy who actually was convicted of it rather than the guy mom's already mad at.

Yeah, to be honest when I read this it struck me a incredibly bizarre. What are the odds that this woman's brother is a child molester, and she just so happens to have had a long term relationship with another man she's accusing of child molestation? Isn't that unlikely?

Everybody's got a type.

Oh, and she also had an affair with Roman Polanski, right? ANOTHER child molester? What's going on?!?!


I'm just saying, were they child molesters before they met Mia? Or did Mia make them child molesters?
 
2014-02-06 11:08:06 AM

DamnYankees: Cletus C.: The Woody defender brigade needs to sit down with Dylan and tell her she was not molested. She clearly thinks she was but if provided a link to that old white-knighting article and having access to your gut feelings, she may decide he didn't actually do what she says he did.

Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him. You're way too old.

Do you think people should assume every person accused of sexual assault is always guilty? Seems pretty unfair.


No, I think you should go ahead and assume he is not because you like his movies and think Mia Farrow is a nutcase or something. Tell that woman she's wrong for the reasons cited above.
 
2014-02-06 11:10:53 AM

Cletus C.: No, I think you should go ahead and assume he is not because you like his movies and think Mia Farrow is a nutcase or something. Tell that woman she's wrong for the reasons cited above.


I assume he's not because I don't assume people are guilty of really heinous crimes without tremendous evidence. I'd be happy to tell Dylan Farrow that if she wanted me to, but I'd probably avoid doing that since I have no desire to upset this person who I don't know.
 
2014-02-06 11:30:05 AM
I suppose this could be discussed until the end of time but woody allen aside there's not a rich dude with a decent lawyer in the whole country who would be arraigned with the amount of doubt surrounding these claims. No matter who you believe the DA ain't stupid enough waste a bunch of time gunning for a guy when multiple family members say it never happened. They make arrests to get convictions and there is a zero chance of a conviction here.
 
2014-02-06 11:30:33 AM
It's so nice to hear Woody Allen step up and publicly set the record straight on this issue. Oh, wait a minute... he's not? He's hiding from the world like Michael Jackson and using an army of white knights to hurl insults at the victim and present quasi-legalistic arguments as to why 'no charges filed in lieu of visitation rights waived' = 'innocent as the day he was born'.

It's so good to see an elderly Jewish man react to child molestation accusations with the same finesse as the Catholic Church.
 
2014-02-06 11:32:11 AM

Darth Macho: It's so nice to hear Woody Allen step up and publicly set the record straight on this issue. Oh, wait a minute... he's not? He's hiding from the world like Michael Jackson and using an army of white knights to hurl insults at the victim and present quasi-legalistic arguments as to why 'no charges filed in lieu of visitation rights waived' = 'innocent as the day he was born'.

It's so good to see an elderly Jewish man react to child molestation accusations with the same finesse as the Catholic Church.


In the court of the internet not getting involved in a media circus is an admission of guilt.
 
2014-02-06 11:37:14 AM

DamnYankees: Cletus C.: No, I think you should go ahead and assume he is not because you like his movies and think Mia Farrow is a nutcase or something. Tell that woman she's wrong for the reasons cited above.

I assume he's not because I don't assume people are guilty of really heinous crimes without tremendous evidence. I'd be happy to tell Dylan Farrow that if she wanted me to, but I'd probably avoid doing that since I have no desire to upset this person who I don't know.


Bears repeating.  I don't care who either of the parties are, if the police are satisfied that no crime was committed..even in the face of this woman's unending accusations...then I'm satisfied that no crime was committed and we need to drop the subject.
 
2014-02-06 11:37:50 AM

Darth Macho: It's so nice to hear Woody Allen step up and publicly set the record straight on this issue. Oh, wait a minute... he's not? He's hiding from the world like Michael Jackson and using an army of white knights to hurl insults at the victim and present quasi-legalistic arguments as to why 'no charges filed in lieu of visitation rights waived' = 'innocent as the day he was born'.

It's so good to see an elderly Jewish man react to child molestation accusations with the same finesse as the Catholic Church.


Gosh, don't you look like a lazy idiot.

http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/05/times-may-publish-r es ponse-from-woody-allen-on-dylan-farrows-accusations/?_php=true&_type=b logs&_r=0
 
2014-02-06 11:40:29 AM

nocturnal001: JFC, what a crazy family.

Either way they are (the parents) a couple of royal nutjobs worthy of scorn. Either Farrow is a crazy biatch who convinced her daughter that she was molested in order to get back and her asshole BF that decided to bang her/their daughter or Allen is a pedo molester that Farrow didn't notice was diddling her kid and stealing her other daughter.


THIS.

I will never fail to see Dylan Farrow as a victim, and I hate all the backlash she's getting for telling her story.   Even if she wasn't molested (and after reading her open letter, I believe she was...too many details.)  she very obviously BELIEVES she was.

Even if Dylan was "brainwashed" by crazy Mia, does that make Dylan any less of a victim?
 
2014-02-06 11:41:53 AM

CaitMonster: Even if Dylan was "brainwashed" by crazy Mia, does that make Dylan any less of a victim?


I'm not sure who you're addressing this to. No one is anti-Dylan Farrow.
 
2014-02-06 11:42:25 AM

Darth Macho: It's so nice to hear Woody Allen step up and publicly set the record straight on this issue. Oh, wait a minute... he's not? He's hiding from the world like Michael Jackson and using an army of white knights to hurl insults at the victim and present quasi-legalistic arguments as to why 'no charges filed in lieu of visitation rights waived' = 'innocent as the day he was born'.

It's so good to see an elderly Jewish man react to child molestation accusations with the same finesse as the Catholic Church.


He asked for the chance to respond in the New York Times. Poor hideout strategy.
 
2014-02-06 11:46:52 AM

Vantango84: Darth Macho: It's so nice to hear Woody Allen step up and publicly set the record straight on this issue. Oh, wait a minute... he's not? He's hiding from the world like Michael Jackson and using an army of white knights to hurl insults at the victim and present quasi-legalistic arguments as to why 'no charges filed in lieu of visitation rights waived' = 'innocent as the day he was born'.

It's so good to see an elderly Jewish man react to child molestation accusations with the same finesse as the Catholic Church.

He asked for the chance to respond in the New York Times. Poor hideout strategy.


He's also been saying he might respond since the Golden Globes. If his letter exists, publish it and get it over with. Otherwise he's still hiding behind white knights.
 
2014-02-06 11:47:24 AM
And ladies and gentlemen this is why people are afraid of talking about how they were molested as children. The fear of being called a liar.
 
2014-02-06 11:48:41 AM

A Terrible Human: And ladies and gentlemen this is why people are afraid of talking about how they were molested as children. The fear of being called a liar.


I understand that, but what's the alternative. To assume everyone accused of child molestation is guilty?
 
2014-02-06 11:50:41 AM
You know, that Daily Beast article may be from someone who is close to Woody Allen, but I'm surprised that people don't seem to be understanding that what it presents are facts in the case. Writing it off as biased would make sense if its defense of Allen was based all on gut feelings and such, but it's not. It's a defense based on the presentation of documented facts. So far I have yet to see one appeal from the opposite side offering anything even close to that.

macadamnut: He wasn't into girls apparently.


He was only caught with boys. It's my understanding that child molesters may have a preference, but it's really more about the convenience of the target. It's an interesting theory, but the multiple examinations showing no evidence of physical trauma that would be associated with that keeps me on the side that Mia tried to create a narrative to give herself the upper hand and she lost control of it in ways she never anticipated.
 
2014-02-06 11:52:04 AM

DamnYankees: A Terrible Human: And ladies and gentlemen this is why people are afraid of talking about how they were molested as children. The fear of being called a liar.

I understand that, but what's the alternative. To assume everyone accused of child molestation is guilty?


I've got the pitchforks if you'll bring the torches.
 
2014-02-06 11:52:52 AM

James Rieper: I'm watching all this unfold, and I have to wonder where people think all this fighting is going.  Any chance at criminal trial is over.  There's no civil trial, and there's not going to be one.  There's the court of public opinion, but the information everyone has is the same that was out there in 1993.  People chose their sides a long time ago.  It's a polarizing thing, so it's going to be hard to move anyone to the other side of the fence.  The end result of the recent blow up is the same it's been for 20 years: Woody Allen remains a talented filmmaker that functions under a cloud.


Maybe when enough people realize it was not Allen but Charles Joffe who received the Oscar for Best Picture for Annie Hall this "controversy" will die down.

Or after this year's Oscars.
 
2014-02-06 11:54:00 AM

Darth Macho: Vantango84: Darth Macho: It's so nice to hear Woody Allen step up and publicly set the record straight on this issue. Oh, wait a minute... he's not? He's hiding from the world like Michael Jackson and using an army of white knights to hurl insults at the victim and present quasi-legalistic arguments as to why 'no charges filed in lieu of visitation rights waived' = 'innocent as the day he was born'.

It's so good to see an elderly Jewish man react to child molestation accusations with the same finesse as the Catholic Church.

He asked for the chance to respond in the New York Times. Poor hideout strategy.

He's also been saying he might respond since the Golden Globes. If his letter exists, publish it and get it over with. Otherwise he's still hiding behind white knights.


2001 Walter Issacson interview.

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,160439,00.html

Q. Did you molest your daughter?
A. I have not molested my daughter, nor would I ever.
Q. What did happen in the house?
A. It was a Wednesday two weeks ago. I came in the midafternoon for a visit. Allegedly, I took her in the attic, according to what the child-protection agency told me was the allegation, and did unspeakable things to her. But nothing at all happened. Nothing. In light-years I wouldn't go into an attic, I wouldn't even know how to find Mia's attic. I'm a famous claustrophobic. And I would not molest my daughter.
Q. Were you ever with her alone?
A. I may have been with her alone for a second, a moment or something, but I wasn't really alone with her. I am not going to, on the eve of hammering out a separation agreement, drive to Connecticut and in Mia's house, an open house, where there are two baby-sitters and people are always walking in and out, I'm not going to take her and molest her.
Q. Mia was there?
A. Of course she was there.
Q. There must have been some incident, some basis for this charge?
A. No, nothing. I was never in a private room with Dylan. I slept downstairs that night in the guest bedroom. The next morning when I was about to leave, the kids ran downstairs and were jumping all over me and playing with me. And Dylan gave me some brochure from a toy store and she had checked off some toys she wanted me to get for her. Everything was wonderful.
Q. Have you seen Dylan's videotape?
A. No. And don't you think that's strange, that Mia made a videotape?
Q. Was there any other evidence?
A. She brought the kid to the doctor, and there is no physical evidence of anything.
Q. Then why do you think Mia and Dylan made the allegation?
A. The atmosphere up there in Connecticut is so rife with rage against me. So it's possible this emerged from that. But it also could have been made up intentionally.
Q. Have you talked to Mia recently?
A. Yes, in fact she called me five times today ((Friday)).
Q. What do you say to each other?
A. She said, Can we stop this grotesque publicity circus? And I said, You have hired a lawyer, you're parading relatives and the kids on television, you leaked this videotape of Dylan unconscionably. She said, Can't we negotiate this? And I said, First you must clear my name unequivocally. And if you do that and we can agree to give Dylan some real therapy to get over the dreadful scars of this thing, and I am part supervisor of that therapy, then O.K., we can see if there's a way of toning things down.


Read more:  http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,160439,00.html#i x zz2sYsUpIsy
 
2014-02-06 11:54:28 AM

FirstNationalBastard: DamnYankees: A Terrible Human: And ladies and gentlemen this is why people are afraid of talking about how they were molested as children. The fear of being called a liar.

I understand that, but what's the alternative. To assume everyone accused of child molestation is guilty?

I've got the pitchforks if you'll bring the torches.


Just leave her alone if you don't believe her story. She doesn't deserve that.
 
2014-02-06 11:56:20 AM

Cletus C.: The Woody defender brigade needs to sit down with Dylan and tell her she was not molested. She clearly thinks she was but if provided a link to that old white-knighting article and having access to your gut feelings, she may decide he didn't actually do what she says he did.

Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him. You're way too old.


Let's see... at this point, everyone who was in the household at the time, except for Mia, Dylan, and Ronan, think that Dylan is mistaken. It's hardly unknown for kids to make false accusations, and in this case, Mia had a very strong motive to ignore any chance that they were false.

He was never charged, has had to go through considerable scrutiny I imagine considering he adopted AFTER that, both the nanny and Mia's oldest child in the house say that Mia was a manipulative biatch who pressured them to lie. Woody took a lie detector test, Mia would not. Not to mention that Mia is a ardent supporter of Polanski, who was actually convicted of sexually abusing a child. And at this point, both Mia and Dylan have a lot invested in this being "the truth".

I don't like Woody Allen or his films, but I do have issues with how everyone is quite willing to ignore the complete lack of evidence in this case because they don't like the fact that Woody hooked up with Soon-Yi. Ignoring the fact that Mia's own marriage with Sinatra wasn't much different when you're talking about the ages of the people involved.
 
2014-02-06 12:02:44 PM

Cletus C.: DamnYankees: Cletus C.: The Woody defender brigade needs to sit down with Dylan and tell her she was not molested. She clearly thinks she was but if provided a link to that old white-knighting article and having access to your gut feelings, she may decide he didn't actually do what she says he did.

Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him. You're way too old.

Do you think people should assume every person accused of sexual assault is always guilty? Seems pretty unfair.

No, I think you should go ahead and assume he is not because you like his movies and think Mia Farrow is a nutcase or something. Tell that woman she's wrong for the reasons cited above.


The last Woody Allen I remember seeing was something like 14 yrs ago, and what I remember was getting up and walking out about an hour into it.  I can't even recall sitting through a Woody Allen movie in the interim.  I will admit to trying to find Take the Money and Run recently as I thought my son (13) would love it.

Cletus, I've posted this info to you at least 3 times now, have you even bothered to look up the Kern Country sexual abuse hoax/scandal from the 80's?   Do you know that several of the kids who testified as children still believe that they were the victims of satanic ritual abuse and now as adults in their mid/late 30's still refuse to have any contact with their parents?  All of this despite the fact that they've even had evidence presented to them that they were coached into lying? (The State Police/Defense Attorneys actually got the video tapes of the "therapy" sessions with the kids were a social worker convinced them of an alternative reality.)

I don't think anyone is questioning whether Dylan believes what she says, the question is what a child says always reliable.  Secondly, does the existence of some fairly significant evidence that Mia Farrow set this weekend up to basically do a frame job on Woody indicate that she could have coached young Dylan into believing something that wasn't true and that those memories are implanted there still?  (Just like they are for a number of the Kern County kids.)
 
2014-02-06 12:11:11 PM

DamnYankees: James!: But he is a convicted child molester.  If someone's claiming to have been molested you might look to the guy who actually was convicted of it rather than the guy mom's already mad at.

Yeah, to be honest when I read this it struck me a incredibly bizarre. What are the odds that this woman's brother is a child molester, and she just so happens to have had a long term relationship with another man she's accusing of child molestation? Isn't that unlikely?


I thought every family has a "funny uncle"
/"Go on...just walk it off!"
 
2014-02-06 12:15:55 PM
It's curious to me that those who say they believe Dylan explain it's because of all the "details" she includes.

Ever hung out with people who starts attending AA meetings? The details of their drinking patterns start mirroring the stories that they have been immersed into. Different meetings similar details.

Our brains and our memories are extraordinarily adaptable.
 
2014-02-06 12:16:10 PM

nocturnal001: JFC, what a crazy family.

Either way they are (the parents) a couple of royal nutjobs worthy of scorn. Either Farrow is a crazy biatch who convinced her daughter that she was molested in order to get back and her asshole BF that decided to bang her/their daughter or Allen is a pedo molester that Farrow didn't notice was diddling her kid and stealing her other daughter.

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Hey kids, this is the first picture of me and your mommy. What? Oh that blonde lady in the picture was your mommy's adopted mother that I was banging at the time and that is where your uncle/brother that won't speak to me came from.

Class act all the way that Allen.


Interesting thing about that photo -- I haven't paid enough attention before now to catch that Ronan (then "Satchel") is the child -- what, only 2 years-old at most? -- being held at the left side of that photo. So how is he now credible as someone who knows what happened? I get that Dylan is his big sister and it's good of him to support her. He grew up around her and with Mia as his mother, but beyond that, why does his opinion count for much regarding all of this?
 
2014-02-06 12:17:05 PM
Tobias Funk?
 
2014-02-06 12:20:35 PM

DamnYankees: Cletus C.: The Woody defender brigade needs to sit down with Dylan and tell her she was not molested. She clearly thinks she was but if provided a link to that old white-knighting article and having access to your gut feelings, she may decide he didn't actually do what she says he did.

Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him. You're way too old.

Do you think people should assume every person accused of sexual assault is always guilty? Seems pretty unfair.



i60.tinypic.com
 
2014-02-06 12:24:03 PM

lawboy87: Cletus C.: DamnYankees: Cletus C.: The Woody defender brigade needs to sit down with Dylan and tell her she was not molested. She clearly thinks she was but if provided a link to that old white-knighting article and having access to your gut feelings, she may decide he didn't actually do what she says he did.

Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him. You're way too old.

Do you think people should assume every person accused of sexual assault is always guilty? Seems pretty unfair.

No, I think you should go ahead and assume he is not because you like his movies and think Mia Farrow is a nutcase or something. Tell that woman she's wrong for the reasons cited above.

The last Woody Allen I remember seeing was something like 14 yrs ago, and what I remember was getting up and walking out about an hour into it.  I can't even recall sitting through a Woody Allen movie in the interim.  I will admit to trying to find Take the Money and Run recently as I thought my son (13) would love it.

Cletus, I've posted this info to you at least 3 times now, have you even bothered to look up the Kern Country sexual abuse hoax/scandal from the 80's?   Do you know that several of the kids who testified as children still believe that they were the victims of satanic ritual abuse and now as adults in their mid/late 30's still refuse to have any contact with their parents?  All of this despite the fact that they've even had evidence presented to them that they were coached into lying? (The State Police/Defense Attorneys actually got the video tapes of the "therapy" sessions with the kids were a social worker convinced them of an alternative reality.)

I don't think anyone is questioning whether Dylan believes what she says, the question is what a child says always reliable.  Secondly, does the existence of some fairly significant evidence that Mia Farrow set this weekend up to basically do a frame job on Woody indicate that she could have coached young Dylan in ...


Clearly, you have a lingering problem with that Kern County case. Good for you, keep carrying that torch. There are other examples of mass hysteria and false accusations you could unearth.

Why you need to continue to hold up Mia Farrow's erratic behavior as proof of Woody's innocence is the most troubling aspect.

You need to focus only on Dylan Farrow and what she is saying right now. She says Woody Allen is a creep who made her childhood a nightmare. She's an adult, no longer under the spell of Mia Farrow, you would think. She is adamant. Dismiss her based on the Kern County witch hunt if you want. I just wonder why you're so passionate about the whole thing.
 
2014-02-06 12:29:26 PM

A Terrible Human: And ladies and gentlemen this is why people are afraid of talking about how they were molested as children. The fear of being called a liar.


Yes, liars have that problem.
 
2014-02-06 12:29:30 PM

Cletus C.: You need to focus only on Dylan Farrow and what she is saying right now. She says Woody Allen is a creep who made her childhood a nightmare. She's an adult, no longer under the spell of Mia Farrow, you would think. She is adamant. Dismiss her based on the Kern County witch hunt if you want. I just wonder why you're so passionate about the whole thing.


Why, you answered that yourself, Cletus. It's because he wants to sleep with Woody, right? Never mind his denials about being much of a fan, we both know what's really going on, don't we? All I can say is thank goodness for your own thoroughly dispassionate perspective.
 
2014-02-06 12:30:35 PM

ObliqueAsymptote: It's curious to me that those who say they believe Dylan explain it's because of all the "details" she includes.

Ever hung out with people who starts attending AA meetings? The details of their drinking patterns start mirroring the stories that they have been immersed into. Different meetings similar details.

Our brains and our memories are extraordinarily adaptable.


"The elaborations of a bad liar."
 
2014-02-06 12:30:51 PM
Cletus is about to accuse you all of being child molesters.
 
2014-02-06 12:34:51 PM

James!: Cletus is about to accuse you all of being child molesters.


If I did, all you'd need is an ex who is a certifiable loon and you're good.
 
2014-02-06 12:39:05 PM

Cletus C.: James!: Cletus is about to accuse you all of being child molesters.

If I did, all you'd need is an ex who is a certifiable loon and you're good.


More like an ex/commenter who is losing an argument/relationship throws out some wild accusations to get even.  Too bad you don't have a 7 and 4 year old to brainwash though.
 
2014-02-06 12:53:12 PM

James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus is about to accuse you all of being child molesters.

If I did, all you'd need is an ex who is a certifiable loon and you're good.

More like an ex/commenter who is losing an argument/relationship throws out some wild accusations to get even.  Too bad you don't have a 7 and 4 year old to brainwash though.


Sorry, you lost me with that one. I don't know if Woody Allen molested that woman when she was a girl or not. I am not about to get all screamy one way or the other. But I am disturbed by all the brilliant legal minds here willing to tell her she's either a big farking liar or a brainwashed fool.
 
2014-02-06 12:55:06 PM

James!: Cletus is about to accuse you all of being child molesters.


It took like 80 posts last thread.
 
2014-02-06 01:03:52 PM

Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus is about to accuse you all of being child molesters.

If I did, all you'd need is an ex who is a certifiable loon and you're good.

More like an ex/commenter who is losing an argument/relationship throws out some wild accusations to get even.  Too bad you don't have a 7 and 4 year old to brainwash though.

Sorry, you lost me with that one. I don't know if Woody Allen molested that woman when she was a girl or not. I am not about to get all screamy one way or the other. But I am disturbed by all the brilliant legal minds here willing to tell her she's either a big farking liar or a brainwashed fool.


Your "Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him." comment seems to imply that you do have an opinion.
 
2014-02-06 01:04:16 PM

stonelotus: so how many of you would let Woody babysit your preteen daughter while you went out shopping for the afternoon?


Not me, but not because of the molesty aspect. It's because I don't trust a 78 year old New Yorker to give enough of a fark about kids to keep her out of the floor polish and knife drawer.
 
2014-02-06 01:05:51 PM

Cletus C.: Sorry, you lost me with that one. I don't know if Woody Allen molested that woman when she was a girl or not. I am not about to get all screamy one way or the other. But I am disturbed by all the brilliant legal minds here willing to tell her she's either a big farking liar or a brainwashed fool.


It's been investigated and dropped. What do you want the internet to do about it?
 
2014-02-06 01:15:00 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Abacus9: To be fair, he's been accused of this sort of thing before. Doesn't make him automatically guilty, but it's worth looking into. So why are you having such a kneejerk reaction?

He's been accused of the same crime -a single incident- over and over by one person for twenty years.

If you know anything about child molesters, you know that none of that fits the profile.

/I grew up during the "Satanic Sex Cult" hysteria in the 1980s, where families lost their kids over nothing but the words of a single DA, so I'm a little sensitive to this shiat.
//It scared me because even at the time I knew it wasn't real, but that took 25 years to prove.


Not to mention the quacks who managed to dig out "repressed" childhood memories from paitents under deep hypnosis.
 
2014-02-06 01:22:13 PM

PiffMan420: Dwight_Yeast: Abacus9: To be fair, he's been accused of this sort of thing before. Doesn't make him automatically guilty, but it's worth looking into. So why are you having such a kneejerk reaction?

He's been accused of the same crime -a single incident- over and over by one person for twenty years.

If you know anything about child molesters, you know that none of that fits the profile.

/I grew up during the "Satanic Sex Cult" hysteria in the 1980s, where families lost their kids over nothing but the words of a single DA, so I'm a little sensitive to this shiat.
//It scared me because even at the time I knew it wasn't real, but that took 25 years to prove.

Not to mention the quacks who managed to dig out "repressed" childhood memories from paitents under deep hypnosis.


This is my favorite. 18 convictions. Five served the full sentence. 50 children removed from their families and placed in foster care. It was ultimately all overturned. Every. Single. Charge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenatchee_child_abuse_prosecutions
 
2014-02-06 01:31:52 PM

DrBenway: I get that Dylan is his big sister and it's good of him to support her. He grew up around her and with Mia as his mother, but beyond that, why does his opinion count for much regarding all of this?


He has a new TV show to promote.
 
2014-02-06 01:37:01 PM

Kyosuke: DrBenway: I get that Dylan is his big sister and it's good of him to support her. He grew up around her and with Mia as his mother, but beyond that, why does his opinion count for much regarding all of this?

He has a new TV show to promote.


"Ol' Blue Eyes is Back"?
www.biography.com
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

Seriously?
orangeboot.ca

They barely look the same species.
 
2014-02-06 01:57:40 PM

Kyosuke: DrBenway: I get that Dylan is his big sister and it's good of him to support her. He grew up around her and with Mia as his mother, but beyond that, why does his opinion count for much regarding all of this?

He has a new TV show to promote.


"Ronan the Accuser"?
 
2014-02-06 02:03:02 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Kyosuke: DrBenway: I get that Dylan is his big sister and it's good of him to support her. He grew up around her and with Mia as his mother, but beyond that, why does his opinion count for much regarding all of this?

He has a new TV show to promote.

"Ronan the Accuser"?


Ronan Farrow Daily
 
2014-02-06 02:06:16 PM

James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus is about to accuse you all of being child molesters.

If I did, all you'd need is an ex who is a certifiable loon and you're good.

More like an ex/commenter who is losing an argument/relationship throws out some wild accusations to get even.  Too bad you don't have a 7 and 4 year old to brainwash though.

Sorry, you lost me with that one. I don't know if Woody Allen molested that woman when she was a girl or not. I am not about to get all screamy one way or the other. But I am disturbed by all the brilliant legal minds here willing to tell her she's either a big farking liar or a brainwashed fool.

Your "Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him." comment seems to imply that you do have an opinion.


True. Now go away and stop making me look bad.
 
2014-02-06 02:07:36 PM

JohnBigBootay: Cletus C.: Sorry, you lost me with that one. I don't know if Woody Allen molested that woman when she was a girl or not. I am not about to get all screamy one way or the other. But I am disturbed by all the brilliant legal minds here willing to tell her she's either a big farking liar or a brainwashed fool.

It's been investigated and dropped. What do you want the internet to do about it?


Stop saying O.J. killed his ex and some guy. That would be a start.
 
2014-02-06 02:09:13 PM

Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus is about to accuse you all of being child molesters.

If I did, all you'd need is an ex who is a certifiable loon and you're good.

More like an ex/commenter who is losing an argument/relationship throws out some wild accusations to get even.  Too bad you don't have a 7 and 4 year old to brainwash though.

Sorry, you lost me with that one. I don't know if Woody Allen molested that woman when she was a girl or not. I am not about to get all screamy one way or the other. But I am disturbed by all the brilliant legal minds here willing to tell her she's either a big farking liar or a brainwashed fool.

Your "Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him." comment seems to imply that you do have an opinion.

True. Now go away and stop making me look bad.


Only you can stop yourself from looking bad.
 
2014-02-06 02:10:26 PM
1.  Put all of the Woody Allen/Mia Farrow combatants on an ice floe in the Arctic and arm them with ball-peen hammers.

2.  Tell everyone that they have twenty-four hours to either kill each other or forgive.  Their choice.

3.  After twenty-four hours have passed, obliterate the ice floe with AGM-114 Hellfire missiles from a AH-64 Apache helicopter because I am totally fed up with the Allen/Farrow "He Said, She Said" bullshiat!
 
2014-02-06 02:12:40 PM

Cletus C.: JohnBigBootay: Cletus C.: Sorry, you lost me with that one. I don't know if Woody Allen molested that woman when she was a girl or not. I am not about to get all screamy one way or the other. But I am disturbed by all the brilliant legal minds here willing to tell her she's either a big farking liar or a brainwashed fool.

It's been investigated and dropped. What do you want the internet to do about it?

Stop saying O.J. killed his ex and some guy. That would be a start.


He was found liable in the civil suit.

So what you are saying is that Farrow's daughter should quit working through the press and actually file legal charges?
 
2014-02-06 02:22:16 PM

Cletus C.: Stop saying O.J. killed his ex and some guy. That would be a start.


You are really devolving dude. Not only would you have failed my jr. high debate class I'm pretty sure the instructor would have punched you in the face. And he was extremely nice.
 
2014-02-06 02:23:49 PM

James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus is about to accuse you all of being child molesters.

If I did, all you'd need is an ex who is a certifiable loon and you're good.

More like an ex/commenter who is losing an argument/relationship throws out some wild accusations to get even.  Too bad you don't have a 7 and 4 year old to brainwash though.

Sorry, you lost me with that one. I don't know if Woody Allen molested that woman when she was a girl or not. I am not about to get all screamy one way or the other. But I am disturbed by all the brilliant legal minds here willing to tell her she's either a big farking liar or a brainwashed fool.

Your "Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him." comment seems to imply that you do have an opinion.

True. Now go away and stop making me look bad.

Only you can stop yourself from looking bad.


That's not exactly going away.

So anyway, I find all the vigorous, strident and repeated defenses of Allen odd, to say the least. What we have is an adult woman who says he molested her as a child. She's saying that, so I don't care to hear shiat about Mia Farow, Frank Sinatra or whatever. It's her saying it.

Nobody knows for sure except Dylan and Woody. I don't know for sure but I do not immediately dismiss the alleged victim's statements. In doing so, I believe fark rules of order allow me to rub some shiat on the people who do think they know. Thank you for your time.
 
2014-02-06 02:26:12 PM

JohnBigBootay: Cletus C.: Stop saying O.J. killed his ex and some guy. That would be a start.

You are really devolving dude. Not only would you have failed my jr. high debate class I'm pretty sure the instructor would have punched you in the face. And he was extremely nice.


You cut off a rather significant part of the discussion:

It's been investigated and dropped. What do you want the internet to do about it?

I'm guessing your debate instructor also would have had a problem with that.
 
2014-02-06 02:28:07 PM
Good grief, why would anyone want to get naked with Woody Allen?  Am I the only person in the world who thinks he looks like an ugly evil jewish dwarf?

And he is just not funny.
 
2014-02-06 02:33:20 PM

Cletus C.: JohnBigBootay: Cletus C.: Stop saying O.J. killed his ex and some guy. That would be a start.

You are really devolving dude. Not only would you have failed my jr. high debate class I'm pretty sure the instructor would have punched you in the face. And he was extremely nice.

You cut off a rather significant part of the discussion:

It's been investigated and dropped. What do you want the internet to do about it?

I'm guessing your debate instructor also would have had a problem with that.


He'd have given me a tick mark for stating a verifiable fact in support of my argument and then he'd have looked at you then called your parents to ask them why you weren't taking the class seriously after you said some shiat about oj simpson.
 
2014-02-06 02:33:24 PM

Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus is about to accuse you all of being child molesters.

If I did, all you'd need is an ex who is a certifiable loon and you're good.

More like an ex/commenter who is losing an argument/relationship throws out some wild accusations to get even.  Too bad you don't have a 7 and 4 year old to brainwash though.

Sorry, you lost me with that one. I don't know if Woody Allen molested that woman when she was a girl or not. I am not about to get all screamy one way or the other. But I am disturbed by all the brilliant legal minds here willing to tell her she's either a big farking liar or a brainwashed fool.

Your "Also, he's not going to diddle you, no matter how much you defend him." comment seems to imply that you do have an opinion.

True. Now go away and stop making me look bad.

Only you can stop yourself from looking bad.

That's not exactly going away.

So anyway, I find all the vigorous, strident and repeated defenses of Allen odd, to say the least. What we have is an adult woman who says he molested her as a child. She's saying that, so I don't care to hear shiat about Mia Farow, Frank Sinatra or whatever. It's her saying it.

Nobody knows for sure except Dylan and Woody. I don't know for sure but I do not immediately dismiss the alleged victim's statements. In doing so, I believe fark rules of order allow me to rub some shiat on the people who do think they know. Thank you for your time.


Sure, you can strip all context away and make it a "he said, she said" argument, but it's pretty silly to claim the high ground with that.
 
2014-02-06 02:46:20 PM

Cletus C.: That's not exactly going away.

So anyway, I find all the vigorous, strident and repeated defenses of Allen odd, to say the least. What we have is an adult woman who says he molested her as a child. She's saying that, so I don't care to hear shiat about Mia Farow, Frank Sinatra or whatever. It's her saying it.

Nobody knows for sure except Dylan and Woody. I don't know for sure but I do not immediately dismiss the alleged victim's statements. In doing so, I believe fark rules of order allow me to rub some shiat on the people who do think they know. Thank you for your time.


I would say that Dylan likely doesn't know for sure. You've been presented with multiple other cases in this thread where children accused people of heinous crimes, and truly believed those things were done to them, which were later proven to be false.

I don't think she's a liar, but that doesn't mean what she says happened is actually what happened. Regardless of Mia, and Dylan likely wanting her mother's approval, at this point Dylan herself likely has a lot invested in it. To admit to herself that it didn't happen, would be to admit she put her father through a horrible ordeal for a lie, not to mention it would probably destroy whatever relationship she has with her mother, which is the one parent she has in her life. She has a lot of motive to continue believing it, and none to look at it critically. Memories are malleable things, and if she's been telling herself she was molested for 20 years, she probably honestly believes it. That does not in fact mean it happened... and in fact all the evidence points to it not having happened.
 
2014-02-06 03:05:57 PM
Since this was mentioned by ObliqueAsymptote in the King thread and this thread is still going I'll drop it here too just cuz it's kinda blowing my mind.

After Andre left Dory Previn for Mia, in 1970 Dory released an album including one song about Mia called "Beware Of Young Girls."

She was my friend, my friend
My friend, she sent us little silver gifts
Oh yes, she did, oh, what a rare
And happy pair

She inevitably said as she glanced
At my unmade bed
She admired my unmade bed, my bed


On the same album was a song called "With My Daddy in the Attic."

With no
Window spying neighbours
And no
Husbands in the future
To intrude
Upon our attic
Past the stair
Where we'll live on
Peanut butter
Spread across assorted crackers
And he'll play
His clarinet

When I despair
With my
Daddy in the attic


I know, I know, faces on Mars and Jesus on toast but are you going to tell me Mia NEVER listened to that album?
 
2014-02-06 03:07:18 PM

DamnYankees: James!: But he is a convicted child molester.  If someone's claiming to have been molested you might look to the guy who actually was convicted of it rather than the guy mom's already mad at.

Yeah, to be honest when I read this it struck me a incredibly bizarre. What are the odds that this woman's brother is a child molester, and she just so happens to have had a long term relationship with another man she's accusing of child molestation? Isn't that unlikely?


Well, they are claiming that she had an affair with Polanski, so....
 
2014-02-06 03:21:08 PM

brandied: Good grief, why would anyone want to get naked with Woody Allen?  Am I the only person in the world who thinks he looks like an ugly evil jewish dwarf?

And he is just not funny.


You only say that because you haven't seen him naked.
 
2014-02-06 03:25:00 PM

DrBenway: nocturnal001: JFC, what a crazy family.

Either way they are (the parents) a couple of royal nutjobs worthy of scorn. Either Farrow is a crazy biatch who convinced her daughter that she was molested in order to get back and her asshole BF that decided to bang her/their daughter or Allen is a pedo molester that Farrow didn't notice was diddling her kid and stealing her other daughter.

[img2.timeinc.net image 600x450]

Hey kids, this is the first picture of me and your mommy. What? Oh that blonde lady in the picture was your mommy's adopted mother that I was banging at the time and that is where your uncle/brother that won't speak to me came from.

Class act all the way that Allen.

Interesting thing about that photo -- I haven't paid enough attention before now to catch that Ronan (then "Satchel") is the child -- what, only 2 years-old at most? -- being held at the left side of that photo. So how is he now credible as someone who knows what happened? I get that Dylan is his big sister and it's good of him to support her. He grew up around her and with Mia as his mother, but beyond that, why does his opinion count for much regarding all of this?


Um, I think mostly because he's so damn pretty.

/Keep talking Ronan dear
 
2014-02-06 03:44:02 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Since this was mentioned by ObliqueAsymptote in the King thread and this thread is still going I'll drop it here too just cuz it's kinda blowing my mind.

After Andre left Dory Previn for Mia, in 1970 Dory released an album including one song about Mia called "Beware Of Young Girls."

She was my friend, my friend
My friend, she sent us little silver gifts
Oh yes, she did, oh, what a rare
And happy pair

She inevitably said as she glanced
At my unmade bed
She admired my unmade bed, my bed


On the same album was a song called "With My Daddy in the Attic."

With no
Window spying neighbours
And no
Husbands in the future
To intrude
Upon our attic
Past the stair
Where we'll live on
Peanut butter
Spread across assorted crackers
And he'll play
His clarinet
When I despair
With my
Daddy in the attic


I know, I know, faces on Mars and Jesus on toast but are you going to tell me Mia NEVER listened to that album?


Consciousness. One hell of a drug.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79168854/
 
2014-02-06 04:13:54 PM
Did anyone read the Vanity Fair article? (*crickets*) It is a FACT that BEFORE the therapist reported (nope, Mia didn't start this) Dylan's allegations, Allen was already in therapy for "inappropriate behavior" toward her. (Among other things, he enjoyed sticking his thumb in her mouth and having her suck it. Not making this up.) He was attending that therapy WILLINGLY. It's a matter of record. I don't know about any of you, but I sure as hell wouldn't go to therapy for something like that, because I'm not a pedo, and I wouldn't want anyone thinking I was. (No shade to the pedos that DO seek help, however; good on you, keep it up.)

I'm amazed at how many people would rather believe in some elaborate, masterful brainwashing conspiracy whose effects lasted for DECADES than use their damned common sense and say, "Ya know, there is quite a bit of smoke here. Might well be some fire."
 
2014-02-06 04:21:22 PM

abfab: Did anyone read the Vanity Fair article? (*crickets*) It is a FACT that BEFORE the therapist reported (nope, Mia didn't start this) Dylan's allegations, Allen was already in therapy for "inappropriate behavior" toward her. (Among other things, he enjoyed sticking his thumb in her mouth and having her suck it. Not making this up.) He was attending that therapy WILLINGLY. It's a matter of record. I don't know about any of you, but I sure as hell wouldn't go to therapy for something like that, because I'm not a pedo, and I wouldn't want anyone thinking I was. (No shade to the pedos that DO seek help, however; good on you, keep it up.)

I'm amazed at how many people would rather believe in some elaborate, masterful brainwashing conspiracy whose effects lasted for DECADES than use their damned common sense and say, "Ya know, there is quite a bit of smoke here. Might well be some fire."


According to a Vanity Fair writer who is friends with the family.  Here's what the psychiatrist hired by the Connecticut State Police said:

Dr. John M. Leventhal, who interviewed Dylan nine times, said that one reason he doubted her story was that she changed important points from one interview to another, like whether Mr. Allen touched her vagina. Another reason, he said, was that the child's accounts had "a rehearsed quality." At one point, he said she told him, "I like to cheat on my stories."

(Link)
 
2014-02-06 04:23:10 PM

James!: FACT


Allen was in therapy? There's a shocker.
 
2014-02-06 04:24:34 PM
Oh, that was meant to quote abfab, sorry James!
 
2014-02-06 04:30:36 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: James!: FACT

Allen was in therapy? There's a shocker.


No shiat. He's rather famously been in therapy his entire farking life.
 
2014-02-06 04:46:35 PM

foo monkey: Abacus9: Dwight_Yeast: Abacus9: To be fair, he's been accused of this sort of thing before. Doesn't make him automatically guilty, but it's worth looking into. So why are you having such a kneejerk reaction?

He's been accused of the same crime -a single incident- over and over by one person for twenty years.

If you know anything about child molesters, you know that none of that fits the profile.

/I grew up during the "Satanic Sex Cult" hysteria in the 1980s, where families lost their kids over nothing but the words of a single DA, so I'm a little sensitive to this shiat.
//It scared me because even at the time I knew it wasn't real, but that took 25 years to prove.

Sorry, I remember those days too. I knew kids that weren't even allowed to listen to music, at least not real music.

As far as Woody goes, I only think they should look into it. That's all I said.

You know how I know you didn't read the article?


Wanna know how I don't give a fu€k, and only think it should be looked into? Some of us remember the early nineties.
 
2014-02-06 05:02:37 PM

Abacus9: Wanna know how I don't give a fu€k, and only think it should be looked into? Some of us remember the early nineties.


You're acting as if it was looked into, at length, when the allegations were first made.
 
2014-02-06 05:03:54 PM

miscreant: Abacus9: Wanna know how I don't give a fu€k, and only think it should be looked into? Some of us remember the early nineties.

You're acting as if it wasn't looked into, at length, when the allegations were first made.


FTFM
 
2014-02-06 05:17:16 PM

ObliqueAsymptote: It's curious to me that those who say they believe Dylan explain it's because of all the "details" she includes.

Ever hung out with people who starts attending AA meetings? The details of their drinking patterns start mirroring the stories that they have been immersed into. Different meetings similar details.

Our brains and our memories are extraordinarily adaptable.


It's curious to me how assholes like to blame the accuser automatically.
 
2014-02-06 05:46:27 PM

Abacus9: ObliqueAsymptote: It's curious to me that those who say they believe Dylan explain it's because of all the "details" she includes.

Ever hung out with people who starts attending AA meetings? The details of their drinking patterns start mirroring the stories that they have been immersed into. Different meetings similar details.

Our brains and our memories are extraordinarily adaptable.

It's curious to me how assholes like to blame the accuser automatically.


It's curious to me how assholes see someone with an opinion different than their own and jump to conclusions about how they came by it.

Okay, not really curious at all. After all, they're assholes.
 
2014-02-06 05:54:02 PM
So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

like him for his older stuff when he was funny, disdain him now
 
2014-02-06 05:58:24 PM

DrBenway: Abacus9: ObliqueAsymptote: It's curious to me that those who say they believe Dylan explain it's because of all the "details" she includes.

Ever hung out with people who starts attending AA meetings? The details of their drinking patterns start mirroring the stories that they have been immersed into. Different meetings similar details.

Our brains and our memories are extraordinarily adaptable.

It's curious to me how assholes like to blame the accuser automatically.

It's curious to me how assholes see someone with an opinion different than their own and jump to conclusions about how they came by it.

Okay, not really curious at all. After all, they're assholes.


You're the one demonizing a possible victim based on anecdotal and unrelated hearsay, whereas I've demonized no one. Trust me, you're the asshole here.
 
2014-02-06 06:04:59 PM

Fano: A Terrible Human: And ladies and gentlemen this is why people are afraid of talking about how they were molested as children. The fear of being called a liar.

Yes, liars have that problem.


Wait who are you calling a liar?
 
2014-02-06 06:11:25 PM

Abacus9: DrBenway: Abacus9: ObliqueAsymptote: It's curious to me that those who say they believe Dylan explain it's because of all the "details" she includes.

Ever hung out with people who starts attending AA meetings? The details of their drinking patterns start mirroring the stories that they have been immersed into. Different meetings similar details.

Our brains and our memories are extraordinarily adaptable.

It's curious to me how assholes like to blame the accuser automatically.

It's curious to me how assholes see someone with an opinion different than their own and jump to conclusions about how they came by it.

Okay, not really curious at all. After all, they're assholes.

You're the one demonizing a possible victim based on anecdotal and unrelated hearsay, whereas I've demonized no one. Trust me, you're the asshole here.


Brainstorming about a case made very public by the accuser is demonizing?
 
2014-02-06 06:12:50 PM

Abacus9: You're the one demonizing a possible victim based on anecdotal and unrelated hearsay, whereas I've demonized no one. Trust me, you're the asshole here.


To be fair it seems to me that you are in fact demonizing someone based on tabloid coverage for an event the police and physicians have looked into and found the evidence lacking. Me, I think it's rich and famous people problems. Whatever happened it's beyond pointless to speculate any further. The cops are not going to arrest or even investigate a guy for something he has already been cleared of particularly when the supposed victims own siblings who were present in the house not only say it never happened, but that the mother for years made up all sorts of shiat that they know to be untrue. Even if the alleged crime actually occurred there is no prosecutor on earth who could get a conviction in the face of that so I'm not sure what people want to be done about it. There's no credible 'investigation' that could be done at this point and a whole lineup of people already on record that are happy to refute the charges. Like I said earlier, prosecutors want convictions and getting one on this case is simply not possible given what we know. Go ahead and keep trying the guy on the internet though. At this point she could completely recant and people would still say he did it.
 
2014-02-06 06:39:44 PM
count_chimpula:
2001 Walter Issacson interview.

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,160439,00.html


This makes me think he knew about Rowan being Frank's kid:

A. My relationship with Mia was simply a cordial one in the past four years, a dinner maybe once a week together. Our romantic relationship tapered off after the birth of Satchel, tapered off quickly.
 
2014-02-06 09:06:23 PM

Dwight_Yeast: When they were together, Woody and Mia lived separate lives (both of them are clearly people with serious mental issues): instead of moving in together, they maintained separate apartments on opposite sides of Central Park. Crossing the park in Manhattan is both physically and culturally like crossing the DMZ, so it was an extremely odd thing to do, though I remember them bragging about it in a Rolling Stone interview in the early 1980s. Woody apparently too a taxi home every night.


How were two unmarried people who did not even live together able to adopt multiple children together as a couple?
 
2014-02-06 09:19:36 PM

ObliqueAsymptote: Abacus9: DrBenway: Abacus9: ObliqueAsymptote: It's curious to me that those who say they believe Dylan explain it's because of all the "details" she includes.

Ever hung out with people who starts attending AA meetings? The details of their drinking patterns start mirroring the stories that they have been immersed into. Different meetings similar details.

Our brains and our memories are extraordinarily adaptable.

It's curious to me how assholes like to blame the accuser automatically.

It's curious to me how assholes see someone with an opinion different than their own and jump to conclusions about how they came by it.

Okay, not really curious at all. After all, they're assholes.

You're the one demonizing a possible victim based on anecdotal and unrelated hearsay, whereas I've demonized no one. Trust me, you're the asshole here.

Brainstorming about a case made very public by the accuser is demonizing?


You were calling her a liar by your use of quotes. "Details".

JohnBB: all I'm saying is they should look into it. This stuff is highly underreported, rather than the other way around.
 
2014-02-06 09:42:52 PM
There is no prosecution possible at this point. There will be no official investigation beyond what was done at the time:

Under the law in 1993, Farrow had until age 20 to file criminal charges against Allen. That legal limit covers her criminal claims - and so, now that she is 28, she is barred.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/law-child-sex-abuse-victims-articl e -1.1602057#ixzz2sbG3lgt3
 
2014-02-06 09:54:22 PM

namegoeshere: There is no prosecution possible at this point. There will be no official investigation beyond what was done at the time:

Under the law in 1993, Farrow had until age 20 to file criminal charges against Allen. That legal limit covers her criminal claims - and so, now that she is 28, she is barred.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/law-child-sex-abuse-victims-articl e -1.1602057#ixzz2sbG3lgt3


That doesn't make sense. People don't file criminal charges. The state does.
 
2014-02-06 10:04:55 PM

Abacus9: ObliqueAsymptote: Abacus9: DrBenway: Abacus9: ObliqueAsymptote: It's curious to me that those who say they believe Dylan explain it's because of all the "details" she includes.

Ever hung out with people who starts attending AA meetings? The details of their drinking patterns start mirroring the stories that they have been immersed into. Different meetings similar details.

Our brains and our memories are extraordinarily adaptable.

It's curious to me how assholes like to blame the accuser automatically.

It's curious to me how assholes see someone with an opinion different than their own and jump to conclusions about how they came by it.

Okay, not really curious at all. After all, they're assholes.

You're the one demonizing a possible victim based on anecdotal and unrelated hearsay, whereas I've demonized no one. Trust me, you're the asshole here.

Brainstorming about a case made very public by the accuser is demonizing?

You were calling her a liar by your use of quotes. "Details".

JohnBB: all I'm saying is they should look into it. This stuff is highly underreported, rather than the other way around.


I used quotes to indicate that was the word multiple sources had used.
 
2014-02-06 10:18:04 PM

DamnYankees: James!: But he is a convicted child molester.  If someone's claiming to have been molested you might look to the guy who actually was convicted of it rather than the guy mom's already mad at.

Yeah, to be honest when I read this it struck me a incredibly bizarre. What are the odds that this woman's brother is a child molester, and she just so happens to have had a long term relationship with another man she's accusing of child molestation? Isn't that unlikely?


No, sadly it's the opposite. Just like how women who were abused are more likely to hook up with physically abusive partners later in life. That's what makes this story so hard- given Mia's history you could see her being the kind of crazy who would hook up with a child molester, she's even done it before with Polanski. She clearly has a type. Older, famous, and with a predilection for young tail. You could also see a molester being attracted to her- both because she's spent so much of her life going after way older men and because she's so unstable no one would believe her. But then, she is so unstable you could also easily see her making something like this up, and traumatizing her own child by getting her to believe it. It's like a gordian knot of crazy.
 
2014-02-06 10:24:52 PM

ObliqueAsymptote: Abacus9: ObliqueAsymptote: Abacus9: DrBenway: Abacus9: ObliqueAsymptote: It's curious to me that those who say they believe Dylan explain it's because of all the "details" she includes.

Ever hung out with people who starts attending AA meetings? The details of their drinking patterns start mirroring the stories that they have been immersed into. Different meetings similar details.

Our brains and our memories are extraordinarily adaptable.

It's curious to me how assholes like to blame the accuser automatically.

It's curious to me how assholes see someone with an opinion different than their own and jump to conclusions about how they came by it.

Okay, not really curious at all. After all, they're assholes.

You're the one demonizing a possible victim based on anecdotal and unrelated hearsay, whereas I've demonized no one. Trust me, you're the asshole here.

Brainstorming about a case made very public by the accuser is demonizing?

You were calling her a liar by your use of quotes. "Details".

JohnBB: all I'm saying is they should look into it. This stuff is highly underreported, rather than the other way around.

I used quotes to indicate that was the word multiple sources had used.


No, that's just what you think you did, you lying demonizer. Abacus9, he knows what you did.
 
2014-02-06 10:25:33 PM

ambercat: DamnYankees: James!: But he is a convicted child molester.  If someone's claiming to have been molested you might look to the guy who actually was convicted of it rather than the guy mom's already mad at.

Yeah, to be honest when I read this it struck me a incredibly bizarre. What are the odds that this woman's brother is a child molester, and she just so happens to have had a long term relationship with another man she's accusing of child molestation? Isn't that unlikely?

No, sadly it's the opposite. Just like how women who were abused are more likely to hook up with physically abusive partners later in life. That's what makes this story so hard- given Mia's history you could see her being the kind of crazy who would hook up with a child molester, she's even done it before with Polanski. She clearly has a type. Older, famous, and with a predilection for young tail. You could also see a molester being attracted to her- both because she's spent so much of her life going after way older men and because she's so unstable no one would believe her. But then, she is so unstable you could also easily see her making something like this up, and traumatizing her own child by getting her to believe it. It's like a gordian knot of crazy.


I hear Gordian Knot of Crazy was the opening band for Palpable biatchery.
 
2014-02-06 10:32:38 PM

DamnYankees: namegoeshere: There is no prosecution possible at this point. There will be no official investigation beyond what was done at the time:

Under the law in 1993, Farrow had until age 20 to file criminal charges against Allen. That legal limit covers her criminal claims - and so, now that she is 28, she is barred.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/law-child-sex-abuse-victims-articl e -1.1602057#ixzz2sbG3lgt3

That doesn't make sense. People don't file criminal charges. The state does.


Awkwardly worded, yes. This one might make more sense:

Former Litchfield County state attorney Frank Maco said in a phone interview Sunday with The Associated Press that the statute of limitations on adopted daughter Dylan Farrow's accusations ran out at least 15 years ago.
 
2014-02-07 12:46:11 AM

James!: abfab: Did anyone read the Vanity Fair article? (*crickets*) It is a FACT that BEFORE the therapist reported (nope, Mia didn't start this) Dylan's allegations, Allen was already in therapy for "inappropriate behavior" toward her. (Among other things, he enjoyed sticking his thumb in her mouth and having her suck it. Not making this up.) He was attending that therapy WILLINGLY. It's a matter of record. I don't know about any of you, but I sure as hell wouldn't go to therapy for something like that, because I'm not a pedo, and I wouldn't want anyone thinking I was. (No shade to the pedos that DO seek help, however; good on you, keep it up.)

I'm amazed at how many people would rather believe in some elaborate, masterful brainwashing conspiracy whose effects lasted for DECADES than use their damned common sense and say, "Ya know, there is quite a bit of smoke here. Might well be some fire."

According to a Vanity Fair writer who is friends with the family.  Here's what the psychiatrist hired by the Connecticut State Police said:

Dr. John M. Leventhal, who interviewed Dylan nine times, said that one reason he doubted her story was that she changed important points from one interview to another, like whether Mr. Allen touched her vagina. Another reason, he said, was that the child's accounts had "a rehearsed quality." At one point, he said she told him, "I like to cheat on my stories."

(Link)


Oh, so you're saying Woody Allene was not in therapy for inappropriate behavior with Dylan? That aspect of the Vanity Fair article was false?

Nope:

http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/02/23/reviews/farrow-verdict.html

Also, it bears mentioning that although Allen threatened to sue Vanity Fair, the magazine publicly announced that they stood by their story, and guess what? No lawsuit. Google for yourself, dude never sued them. That should make you wonder, but I'm guessing it won't.

/Bookmarks thread for the day the adopted daughters get free of him and come forward to accuse him of abusing them, also. Shouldn't be too long.
 
2014-02-07 03:30:40 AM

abfab: James!: abfab: Did anyone read the Vanity Fair article? (*crickets*) It is a FACT that BEFORE the therapist reported (nope, Mia didn't start this) Dylan's allegations, Allen was already in therapy for "inappropriate behavior" toward her. (Among other things, he enjoyed sticking his thumb in her mouth and having her suck it. Not making this up.) He was attending that therapy WILLINGLY. It's a matter of record. I don't know about any of you, but I sure as hell wouldn't go to therapy for something like that, because I'm not a pedo, and I wouldn't want anyone thinking I was. (No shade to the pedos that DO seek help, however; good on you, keep it up.)

I'm amazed at how many people would rather believe in some elaborate, masterful brainwashing conspiracy whose effects lasted for DECADES than use their damned common sense and say, "Ya know, there is quite a bit of smoke here. Might well be some fire."

According to a Vanity Fair writer who is friends with the family.  Here's what the psychiatrist hired by the Connecticut State Police said:

Dr. John M. Leventhal, who interviewed Dylan nine times, said that one reason he doubted her story was that she changed important points from one interview to another, like whether Mr. Allen touched her vagina. Another reason, he said, was that the child's accounts had "a rehearsed quality." At one point, he said she told him, "I like to cheat on my stories."

(Link)

Oh, so you're saying Woody Allene was not in therapy for inappropriate behavior with Dylan? That aspect of the Vanity Fair article was false?

Nope:

http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/02/23/reviews/farrow-verdict.html

Also, it bears mentioning that although Allen threatened to sue Vanity Fair, the magazine publicly announced that they stood by their story, and guess what? No lawsuit. Google for yourself, dude never sued them. That should make you wonder, but I'm guessing it won't.

/Bookmarks thread for the day the adopted daughters get free of him and come forward to accu ...


that's an interesting standard. No lawsuit. You know Allen was never charged with a crime, sued by farrow or put under a restraining order.

The farrow family (the ones that actually believe it) have kept their accusations in the court of public opinion and out of actual court. By your standard that would make them suspicious.
 
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