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(People Magazine)   Another member of the Allen/Farrow clan speaks up. Bonus: He's a family therapist   (people.com) divider line 154
    More: Followup, Woody Allen, Allen/Farrow, Brother Moses, family therapist, Soon-Yi Previn, Mia Farrow, false memories  
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2014-02-05 11:35:42 PM  
First of all, great job picking a shiatty headline with 0 comments over a better headline with a conversation ongoing.

Secondly - this is a farked up family.
 
2014-02-05 11:38:54 PM  
Mia's never been the same since she got debil raped in the 60s.

Family never had a chance after that.
 
2014-02-05 11:43:42 PM  

DamnYankees: First of all, great job picking a shiatty headline with 0 comments over a better headline with a conversation ongoing.

Secondly - this is a farked up family.


All of that up there^
 
2014-02-06 12:13:58 AM  
Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?
 
2014-02-06 12:20:35 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion


To be fair, she's the one that put it out in the court of public opinion. It wasn't the National Enquirer or some sleazy journalist.
 
2014-02-06 12:42:33 AM  
Moses? Really?

Woody's a creepy bastard and all but like three of his movies suck but I give someone the benefit of the doubt when they're accused of what he's accused of.The only unforgivable thing he's guilty in my mind is Annie Hall beating Star Wars for best picture.
 
2014-02-06 12:56:07 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?


Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.
 
2014-02-06 01:00:35 AM  
Pretty sure Woody is the family the rapist.
 
2014-02-06 01:36:42 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Mia's never been the same since she got debil raped in the 60s.

Family never had a chance after that.


But enough about Sinatra...
 
2014-02-06 04:17:51 AM  
FTFA: "I think my sister is missing a great deal in life in not reconnecting with her father, who had always adored her," he says


Right, and you and other knuckleheads don't seem to grasp the severity of the situation.  Meeting Allen, her father, will also be meeting her step-mother/ adopted sister and then there are the other adopted kids....jeez, my head asploded.
 
2014-02-06 04:24:11 AM  
Out of all the Farrow/Allen family members to spill their family gossip onto our screens, I do have to admit that I find that Moses is the most credible to date. And yes, the fact that he has a masters degree in clinical psychology is a pretty heavy argument.

You'd have to have the self awareness of a rock to sit though all that education and then public practice and not be reflective about your own childhood and life.

That's not to say that there aren't some farked up psych majors out there, just that in my experience if they managed to make it through school, the tend to be at least aware of how farked up they are.
 
2014-02-06 04:26:57 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.


Yeah, a totally unbiased source.  Right.
 
2014-02-06 04:29:31 AM  

Mugato: Moses? Really?

Woody's a creepy bastard and all but like three of his movies suck but I give someone the benefit of the doubt when they're accused of what he's accused of.The only unforgivable thing he's guilty in my mind is Annie Hall beating Star Wars for best picture.


Show us on this Oscar where the Academy touched you.
 
2014-02-06 04:35:24 AM  

hestheone: Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.

Yeah, a totally unbiased source.  Right.


Not unbiased, but he spent more time with Woody & Soon-Yi than about any journalist, ever.  Yes, American Masters pieces are love-fests, but they make proper documentaries and Woody gave them an amazing amount of access: they were in his bedroom as he finished his morning's writing, and I've never seen Allen speak publicly about how and where he writes before
 
2014-02-06 04:36:26 AM  

hestheone: Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.

Yeah, a totally unbiased source.  Right.


The only reasonable argument is that charges were never levelled against Woody. I certainly don't believe that the prosecutor decided not to charge him in the face of overwhelming evidence. That doesn't make any sense (Someone rapes a kid and you don't even try to scare them into doing a plea bargain?) Also, there was never a civil case brought against him by Mia, nor was there any attempt to put in place a restraining order. In fact, for a rapist, surprisingly little was done by the children's mother to actually legally bar him from being in their presence.

C'mon guys...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
 
2014-02-06 04:38:41 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?


To be fair, he's been accused of this sort of thing before. Doesn't make him automatically guilty, but it's worth looking into. So why are you having such a kneejerk reaction? Did you help Woody rape people or something?

/dont take that last sentence seriously ;)
 
2014-02-06 04:42:26 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.



That article is regurgitated every time there's a Woody Molester article, and it is so far up Woody's ass/ dangling from his empty nutsack as to be entirely pointless.
 
2014-02-06 04:43:27 AM  

Abacus9: To be fair, he's been accused of this sort of thing before. Doesn't make him automatically guilty, but it's worth looking into. So why are you having such a kneejerk reaction?


He's been accused of the same crime -a single incident- over and over by one person for twenty years.

If you know anything about child molesters, you know that none of that fits the profile.

/I grew up during the "Satanic Sex Cult" hysteria in the 1980s, where families lost their kids over nothing but the words of a single DA, so I'm a little sensitive to this shiat.
//It scared me because even at the time I knew it wasn't real, but that took 25 years to prove.
 
2014-02-06 04:43:31 AM  
The family therapist:
i527.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-06 04:46:03 AM  
Woody Allen gave me pinkeye.
 
2014-02-06 04:48:48 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Abacus9: To be fair, he's been accused of this sort of thing before. Doesn't make him automatically guilty, but it's worth looking into. So why are you having such a kneejerk reaction?

He's been accused of the same crime -a single incident- over and over by one person for twenty years.

If you know anything about child molesters, you know that none of that fits the profile.

/I grew up during the "Satanic Sex Cult" hysteria in the 1980s, where families lost their kids over nothing but the words of a single DA, so I'm a little sensitive to this shiat.
//It scared me because even at the time I knew it wasn't real, but that took 25 years to prove.


Sorry, I remember those days too. I knew kids that weren't even allowed to listen to music, at least not real music.

As far as Woody goes, I only think they should look into it. That's all I said.
 
2014-02-06 05:00:23 AM  

Abacus9: As far as Woody goes, I only think they should look into it. That's all I said.


I think it's all pretty well been covered. What needs to be accepted is this (both have equal weight):

1) marrying your ex-partner's 22 year-old adopted daughter when you're 50 is creepy.

2) having a herd of children, some adopted, many with special needs, is enough to stress to breaking even the wealthiest mother and is also weirdly creepy.

/you want to see something scary which IS actually worth getting worked up about?  Look up "Operation Yew Tree".  Some VERY bad shiat coming out in the UK.
 
2014-02-06 05:01:58 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?


You're supposed to like his films (at least some of them) while thinking he's a creepy human being.

You're welcome.
 
2014-02-06 05:25:10 AM  
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Somebody call?
 
2014-02-06 05:50:10 AM  
OK, so to get this straight:  About six or so months after Woody and Soon Yi hook up and he and Mia are splitsville, she invites him and Soon Yi to come to her Connecticut country estate to spend the weekend to supposedly do a little "family bonding/repair."   Mia never wanted for money and she is/was independently wealthy long before she met Woody.

During this weekend family retreat (from what I can gather from reading the differing accounts), there were 5 adults present and 3 children.  Adults:  Mia, Woody, Soon Yi, Monica Thompson (nanny to Farrow/Allen for 7 years, but who wasn't present on the day Mia made the initial allegation), and Kristie Groteke (nanny who said that Dylan was never out of her sight for more than 5 minutes.)  The three children were Moses (14), Dylan (7) and Ronan/Satchel (4).

Of all the people present that day, it appears that only Mia Farrow, Dylan and Ronan believe the allegations or continue to make them.

Monica Thompson gave sworn testimony that she believed the entire thing was a "set up" orchestrated by Farrow who had been coaxing her for weeks beforehand to not allow Allen to be alone with Dylan and had conveniently gone "shopping" for a few hours on the day that things went down, all as part of making it look spontaneous.  Groteke has been quoted as feeling used and felt like Farrow was pressuring her to lie on her behalf and against Allen.

So basically, there's not a single adult present during that weekend who believes the accusation to be true and now we find out that the 14 yr old doesn't either.  That only leaves Mia and the two kids and I'm fairly certain that to a large degree we can dismiss Ronan's opinion as most 4 yr olds simply don't possess the judgment or knowledge to determine fact from fiction at that age and could be easily manipulated by either parent.

This whole "case" against him is looker weaker and weaker every time I look at it.
 
2014-02-06 05:55:30 AM  
Some farkers believe that women never make accusations but only ever speak the truth. They are as sexist as the "shut your mouth and gimme a sandwich" crowd.
 
2014-02-06 06:00:19 AM  
DamnYankees:
Secondly - this is a farked up family.

Yup. There's only one way to settle this. Get Jerry Springer  to bring them all together in his show.
 
2014-02-06 06:01:05 AM  

hestheone: Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.

Yeah, a totally unbiased source.  Right.


Well, it is a male reporter, so I guess you've got us there.
 
2014-02-06 06:04:34 AM  

lawboy87: OK, so to get this straight:  About six or so months after Woody and Soon Yi hook up and he and Mia are splitsville, she invites him and Soon Yi to come to her Connecticut country estate to spend the weekend to supposedly do a little "family bonding/repair."   Mia never wanted for money and she is/was independently wealthy long before she met Woody.

During this weekend family retreat (from what I can gather from reading the differing accounts), there were 5 adults present and 3 children.  Adults:  Mia, Woody, Soon Yi, Monica Thompson (nanny to Farrow/Allen for 7 years, but who wasn't present on the day Mia made the initial allegation), and Kristie Groteke (nanny who said that Dylan was never out of her sight for more than 5 minutes.)  The three children were Moses (14), Dylan (7) and Ronan/Satchel (4).

Of all the people present that day, it appears that only Mia Farrow, Dylan and Ronan believe the allegations or continue to make them.

Monica Thompson gave sworn testimony that she believed the entire thing was a "set up" orchestrated by Farrow who had been coaxing her for weeks beforehand to not allow Allen to be alone with Dylan and had conveniently gone "shopping" for a few hours on the day that things went down, all as part of making it look spontaneous.  Groteke has been quoted as feeling used and felt like Farrow was pressuring her to lie on her behalf and against Allen.

So basically, there's not a single adult present during that weekend who believes the accusation to be true and now we find out that the 14 yr old doesn't either.  That only leaves Mia and the two kids and I'm fairly certain that to a large degree we can dismiss Ronan's opinion as most 4 yr olds simply don't possess the judgment or knowledge to determine fact from fiction at that age and could be easily manipulated by either parent.

This whole "case" against him is looker weaker and weaker every time I look at it.


Something about that reminded me of A Midsummer Night's Sex Comedy.
 
2014-02-06 06:44:13 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?


Yes.
 
2014-02-06 06:58:59 AM  

lawboy87: OK, so to get this straight:  About six or so months after Woody and Soon Yi hook up and he and Mia are splitsville, she invites him and Soon Yi to come to her Connecticut country estate to spend the weekend to supposedly do a little "family bonding/repair."   Mia never wanted for money and she is/was independently wealthy long before she met Woody.

During this weekend family retreat (from what I can gather from reading the differing accounts), there were 5 adults present and 3 children.  Adults:  Mia, Woody, Soon Yi, Monica Thompson (nanny to Farrow/Allen for 7 years, but who wasn't present on the day Mia made the initial allegation), and Kristie Groteke (nanny who said that Dylan was never out of her sight for more than 5 minutes.)  The three children were Moses (14), Dylan (7) and Ronan/Satchel (4).

Of all the people present that day, it appears that only Mia Farrow, Dylan and Ronan believe the allegations or continue to make them.

Monica Thompson gave sworn testimony that she believed the entire thing was a "set up" orchestrated by Farrow who had been coaxing her for weeks beforehand to not allow Allen to be alone with Dylan and had conveniently gone "shopping" for a few hours on the day that things went down, all as part of making it look spontaneous.  Groteke has been quoted as feeling used and felt like Farrow was pressuring her to lie on her behalf and against Allen.

So basically, there's not a single adult present during that weekend who believes the accusation to be true and now we find out that the 14 yr old doesn't either.  That only leaves Mia and the two kids and I'm fairly certain that to a large degree we can dismiss Ronan's opinion as most 4 yr olds simply don't possess the judgment or knowledge to determine fact from fiction at that age and could be easily manipulated by either parent.

This whole "case" against him is looker weaker and weaker every time I look at it.


That's the long and short of it, but there's tons of details and color to add: Mia was married at 19 to Frank Sinatra, who was 54, and she now claims that Ronan is Sinatra's son, so she was still sleeping with one of her ex-husbands over a decade after they split.

On some level, both Soon-Yi and Woody were trying to get free from Mia at the same time, so they ended up together.  Still creepy, and more so if you've ever seen What's Up, Tiger Lily.

When they were together, Woody and Mia lived separate lives (both of them are clearly people with serious mental issues): instead of moving in together, they maintained separate apartments on opposite sides of Central Park.  Crossing the park in Manhattan is both physically and culturally like crossing the DMZ, so it was an extremely odd thing to do, though I remember them bragging about it in a Rolling Stone interview in the early 1980s.  Woody apparently too a taxi home every night.
 
2014-02-06 07:09:52 AM  
Apparently, there's a growing backlash building against Mia.  Lots of former co-workers and the like are comparing notes for all the reasons they hate her.  I know it's primarily gossip at this point, but there's some allegations that are surfacing, which don't paint her in the best of light.

Like apparently her tale of Sinatra suing her for divorce, after she wouldn't quit her role in Rosemary's Baby and visiting the set, was likely a subterfuge for the fact she was having an affair with someone involved in the film?  (That might help explain her life long friendship with Polanski and why she has been such a vocal and ardent supporter of him for the last 30 yrs or so.)

Anyway, take it for what it's worth, but here's a blogger who claims to have known Farrow for many, many years and apparently does have some credibility as an actual industry "insider" who just chews Farrow up and spits her out.

http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2014/02/mia-and-her-brood-drag-wha te vers-left.html
 
2014-02-06 07:26:09 AM  

Hollie Maea: Pretty sure Woody is the family the rapist.


The proper wording for the joke would be "I thought Woody was therapist for the family."
 
2014-02-06 07:40:11 AM  

GungFu: Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.


That article is regurgitated every time there's a Woody Molester article, and it is so far up Woody's ass/ dangling from his empty nutsack as to be entirely pointless.


Yeah, this. As far as I'm concerned, Woody is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, but I'd still treat that article as heavily biased.
Granted it's a more subtle bias than is the norm for this country, which probably explains why there are people so easily taken in by it. At least it's handy for flagging up people short on critical thinking skills.
 
2014-02-06 07:51:54 AM  

Abacus9: Dwight_Yeast: Abacus9: To be fair, he's been accused of this sort of thing before. Doesn't make him automatically guilty, but it's worth looking into. So why are you having such a kneejerk reaction?

He's been accused of the same crime -a single incident- over and over by one person for twenty years.

If you know anything about child molesters, you know that none of that fits the profile.

/I grew up during the "Satanic Sex Cult" hysteria in the 1980s, where families lost their kids over nothing but the words of a single DA, so I'm a little sensitive to this shiat.
//It scared me because even at the time I knew it wasn't real, but that took 25 years to prove.

Sorry, I remember those days too. I knew kids that weren't even allowed to listen to music, at least not real music.

As far as Woody goes, I only think they should look into it. That's all I said.


You know how I know you didn't read the article?
 
2014-02-06 08:02:16 AM  

hestheone: Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.

Yeah, a totally unbiased source.  Right.




He is a creep but he actions of his bitter ex , conflicting accounts form family memebers would leave room for reasonable doubt if I were on the jury, granted it is only based on what I have read. Absent DNA /video evidence I could not convict as it stands right now.

The biggest strike against Mia Farrows credibility IMHO is her support of Roman Polanski:
 
2014-02-06 08:03:40 AM  
He was pretty good in "Ants" so he's got that.
 
2014-02-06 08:16:54 AM  

Dont Call Me Shirley: He was pretty good in "Ants" so he's got that.


...and uncles, and step-children, and...
 
2014-02-06 08:28:44 AM  

lawboy87: Like apparently her tale of Sinatra suing her for divorce, after she wouldn't quit her role in Rosemary's Baby and visiting the set, was likely a subterfuge for the fact she was having an affair with someone involved in the film? (That might help explain her life long friendship with Polanski and why she has been such a vocal and ardent supporter of him for the last 30 yrs or so.)


1) He served the papers to her on-set.  But I do think he was vain enough to divorce her for turning down The Detective.

2) It was Polanski.  Everyone knew they were sleeping together, while Sharon Tate was pregnant.  It's what compounded the Mason thing in Hollywood's mind.
 
2014-02-06 08:37:04 AM  

GungFu: Darth_Lukecash: JasonOfOrillia: Yes, this fight should be prosecuted in the court of public opinion because all of us are capable of teasing out the truth of the matter.

So am I supposed to like Woody Allen or hate him?

Here's a really good article

He's plenty innocent.


That article is regurgitated every time there's a Woody Molester article, and it is so far up Woody's ass/ dangling from his empty nutsack as to be entirely pointless.


Sooooooo... that list of facts about Soon-Yi & Allen is inaccurate? Do you have an alternate version of events for the investigation into Dylan/Malone's accusations?  Should we break out the torches and pitchforks since the prosecutor refused to go on his own witchhunt?

To what authority would you suggest we appeal?
 
2014-02-06 08:47:49 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: 2) It was Polanski.  Everyone knew they were sleeping together, while Sharon Tate was pregnant.  It's what compounded the Mason thing in Hollywood's mind.


We should just blame this whole thing on the Beatles' White Album and move on.
 
2014-02-06 08:48:50 AM  

Confabulat: Dwight_Yeast: 2) It was Polanski.  Everyone knew they were sleeping together, while Sharon Tate was pregnant.  It's what compounded the Mason thing in Hollywood's mind.

We should just blame this whole thing on the Beatles' White Album and move on.


If only it had been one great album instead of two average ones...
 
2014-02-06 08:51:07 AM  
The only thing I am positive about in this whole mess is that none of the people involved seem like they should have been around children.
 
2014-02-06 09:16:43 AM  
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2014-02-06 09:48:35 AM  
Anyone know anything about how Allen came to adopt two children with his current wife? Was there anything weirdly underhanded about it, or did that go through any sort of normal channels where he was cleared to do so? Because it strikes me as odd that he was able to do so if there was much legitimate concern lingering about him as a potential parent. Was there a storm of outrage over that from professionals at the time? I don't remember any backlash but that's not to say it didn't happen. Note: a photo of grumpy-looking children doesn't count for a whole lot as "evidence" FYI.
 
2014-02-06 09:51:21 AM  

lawboy87: OK, so to get this straight:  About six or so months after Woody and Soon Yi hook up and he and Mia are splitsville, she invites him and Soon Yi to come to her Connecticut country estate to spend the weekend to supposedly do a little "family bonding/repair."   Mia never wanted for money and she is/was independently wealthy long before she met Woody.

During this weekend family retreat (from what I can gather from reading the differing accounts), there were 5 adults present and 3 children.  Adults:  Mia, Woody, Soon Yi, Monica Thompson (nanny to Farrow/Allen for 7 years, but who wasn't present on the day Mia made the initial allegation), and Kristie Groteke (nanny who said that Dylan was never out of her sight for more than 5 minutes.)  The three children were Moses (14), Dylan (7) and Ronan/Satchel (4).

Of all the people present that day, it appears that only Mia Farrow, Dylan and Ronan believe the allegations or continue to make them.

Monica Thompson gave sworn testimony that she believed the entire thing was a "set up" orchestrated by Farrow who had been coaxing her for weeks beforehand to not allow Allen to be alone with Dylan and had conveniently gone "shopping" for a few hours on the day that things went down, all as part of making it look spontaneous.  Groteke has been quoted as feeling used and felt like Farrow was pressuring her to lie on her behalf and against Allen.

So basically, there's not a single adult present during that weekend who believes the accusation to be true and now we find out that the 14 yr old doesn't either.  That only leaves Mia and the two kids and I'm fairly certain that to a large degree we can dismiss Ronan's opinion as most 4 yr olds simply don't possess the judgment or knowledge to determine fact from fiction at that age and could be easily manipulated by either parent.

This whole "case" against him is looker weaker and weaker every time I look at it.


To me, it smacks of a woman scorned. Allen dumped M Farrow, it pissed her off, and when Allen started dating Soon-Yi, all bets were off. What better way to cause problems for a man with young children than to accuse him of molesting/sexually assaulting one of them?

And why does M. Farrow seemingly bring this up all the gorram time? If it was as traumatic as she says, why would she keep picking at that wound? That seems...unhealthy from a psychological standpoint.

/I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist
 
2014-02-06 09:52:34 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: It's what compounded the Mason thing in Hollywood's mind.


Oh My GOD!!!!    I always thought it was the Mason's behind the Manson murders!


In a more serious tone, if she were having an affair with Polanski then that goes to why she would testify on his behalf in his libel suit a few years back (it surrounded him supposedly sexing up someone in a restaurant right on the heels of her murder/funeral.)

I had almost forgotten, but a year or two before Mia and Woody had split, she was reported to have made a couple of big scenes in public with her sister and Woody after accusing the two of them of having an affair.

The irony here being that Mia has been known for a life long habit of bedding married men behind their wife's back.  That whole thing she pulled with Dory Previn is textbook, but when the shoe went on the other foot and she found out he had cheated on her, she went ballistic.

First class narcissist and if Ronan isn't Frank's, I'll eat my hat.
 
2014-02-06 09:53:19 AM  
so how many of you would let Woody babysit your preteen daughter while you went out shopping for the afternoon?
 
2014-02-06 09:58:13 AM  

Dont Call Me Shirley: He was pretty good in "Ants" so he's got that.


"Honey, I F*cked the Kids" was also kinda cute.
 
2014-02-06 09:58:35 AM  

stonelotus: so how many of you would let Woody babysit your preteen daughter while you went out shopping for the afternoon?


Would he insist on fridge privileges and unlimited phone time?
 
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